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Bevchenko
18-03-14, 11:56 PM
What do you think has happened? What is the latest news you have found on the flight? Has Courtney Love solved the mystery?

Dermotron
19-03-14, 09:24 AM
As the search for Malaysia Airlines missing Boeing 777 moves into its 11th day, a multitude of theories about the plane's fate are circulating on forums and social media. Here, former pilots and aviation experts look at some of those theories.

Malaysia's government says the plane - with 239 people on board - was intentionally diverted and could have flown on either a northern or southern arc from its last known position.

The country's Department of Civil Aviation has stated that "pings" were picked up from the plane six hours after military radar last detected it over the Strait of Malacca at 02:15 on 8 March.


1. Landed in the Andaman Islands
The plane was apparently at one stage heading in the direction of India's Andaman and Nicobar Islands, the most easterly part of Indian territory, which lies between Indonesia and the coast of Thailand and Burma. It has been reported that military radar there might not even have been operating, as the threat level is generally perceived to be low.

The editor of the islands' Andaman Chronicle newspaper dismisses the notion that the aircraft could be there. There are four airstrips but planes landing would be spotted, he told CNN. He also believed monitoring by the Indian military would prevent an airliner being able to land there unnoticed. But this is an isolated spot. There are more than 570 islands, only 36 of which are inhabited. If the plane had been stolen, this might be the best place to land it secretly, says Steve Buzdygan, a former BA 777 pilot. It would be difficult, but not impossible, to land on the beach, he says. At least 5,000ft (1500m) or so would make a long enough strip to land on.

It would be theoretically possible but extremely difficult. With such a heavy aeroplane, using the landing gear might lead to the wheels digging into the sand and sections of undercarriage being ripped off. "If I was landing on a beach I would keep the wheels up," says Buzdygan. But in this type of crash landing, the danger would also be damage to the wings, which are full of fuel, causing an explosion. Even if landed safely, it is unlikely the plane would be able to take off again.


2. Flew to Kazakhstan
The Central Asian republic is at the far end of the northern search corridor, so the plane could hypothetically have landed there. Light aircraft pilot Sylvia Wrigley, author of Why Planes Crash, says landing in a desert might be possible and certainly more likely than landing on a beach somewhere. "To pull this off, you are looking at landing in an incredibly isolated area," says Wrigley. The failure so far to release a cargo manifest has created wild rumours about a valuable load that could be a motive for hijacking. There has also been speculation that some of those on board were billionaires.


But the plane would have been detected, the Kazakh Civil Aviation Committee said in a detailed statement sent to Reuters. And there's an even more obvious problem. The plane would have had to cross the airspace of countries like India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, which are all usually in a high state of military preparedness. But it's just possible that there are weak links in the radar systems of some of the countries en route to Central Asia, Wrigley speculates. "A lot of air traffic control gear is old. They might be used to getting false positives from flocks of birds and, therefore, it would be easy to discount it."

3. It flew south
The final satellite "ping" suggests the plane was still operational for at least five or six hours after leaving Malaysian radar range. For Norman Shanks, former head of group security at airports group BAA, and professor of aviation security at Coventry University, the search should therefore start from the extremes of the corridors and work up, rather than the other way around. He thinks the southern corridor is more likely for a plane that has so far avoided detection by radar.

The southern arc leads to the huge open spaces of the Indian Ocean, and then to Australia's empty northern hinterland. Without knowing the motive, it is hard to speculate where the plane's final destination was intended to be. But the plane may just have carried on until it ran out of fuel and then glided and crashed into the sea somewhere north of Australia.


4. Taklamakan Desert, north-west China
There has been speculation on forums that the plane could have been commandeered by China's Uighur Muslim separatists. Out of the plane's 239 passengers, 153 were Chinese citizens. One possible destination in this theory would be China's Taklamakan Desert. The region - described by Encyclopaedia Britannica as a "great desert of Central Asia and one of the largest sandy deserts in the world" - has no shortage of space far from prying eyes. The BBC's Jonah Fisher tweeted on 15 March: "Being briefed by Malaysia officials they believe most likely location for MH370 is on land somewhere near Chinese/Kyrgyz border."

But again, this theory rests on an extraordinary run through the radar systems of several countries.


5. It was flown towards Langkawi island because of a fire or other malfunction
The loss of transponders and communications could be explained by a fire, aviation blogger Chris Goodfellow has suggested. The left turn that the plane made, deviating from the route to Beijing, could have been a bid to reach safety, he argues. "This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport." He aimed to avoid crashing into a city or high ridges, Goodfellow argues. "Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi, a 13,000ft (4,000m) strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala Lumpur because he knew he had 8,000ft ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance." In this theory it would be assumed that the airliner did not make it to Langkawi and crashed into the sea.

But Goodfellow's theory has been disputed. If the course was changed during a major emergency, one might expect it to be done using manual control. But the left turn was the result of someone in the cockpit typing "seven or eight keystrokes into a computer on a knee-high pedestal between the captain and the first officer, according to officials", the New York Times reported. The paper says this "has reinforced the belief of investigators - first voiced by Malaysian officials - that the plane was deliberately diverted and that foul play was involved."


6. The plane is in Pakistan
Media tycoon Rupert Murdoch has tweeted: "World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden." But Pakistan has strenuously denied that this would be possible. The country's assistant to the prime minister on aviation, Shujaat Azeem, has been reported as saying: "Pakistan's civil aviation radars never spotted this jet, so how it could be hidden somewhere in Pakistan?" Like the Kazakhstan theory, this all seems far-fetched, not least because the junction between Indian and Pakistani air space is one of the most watched sectors in the world by military radar. And despite the remoteness and lawlessness of northern Pakistan, the region is watched closely by satellites and drones. It seems scarcely believable to think an airliner could get there unspotted.


7. The plane hid in the shadow of another airliner
Aviation blogger Keith Ledgerwood believes the missing plane hid in the radar shadow of Singapore Airlines flight 68. The Singaporean airliner was in the same vicinity as the Malaysian plane, he argues. "It became apparent as I inspected SIA68's flight path history that MH370 had manoeuvred itself directly behind SIA68 at approximately 18:00UTC and over the next 15 minutes had been following SIA68." He believes that the Singaporean airliner would have disguised the missing plane from radar controllers on the ground. "It is my belief that MH370 likely flew in the shadow of SIA68 through India and Afghanistan airspace. As MH370 was flying 'dark' without a transponder, SIA68 would have had no knowledge that MH370 was anywhere around, and as it entered Indian airspace, it would have shown up as one single blip on the radar with only the transponder information of SIA68 lighting up ATC and military radar screens." The Singapore Airlines plane flew on to Spain. The Malaysian jet could have branched off. "There are several locations along the flight path of SIA68 where it could have easily broken contact and flown and landed in Xinjiang, Kyrgyzstan, or Turkmenistan," Ledgerwood argues.

Prof Hugh Griffiths, radar expert at University College London, says it sounds feasible. But there is a difference between military and civilian radar. Civilian radar works by means of a transponder carried by the aircraft - a system known as secondary radar. The military use primary radar and this "ought to be higher resolution". So how close would the two planes need to be? He estimates about 1000m (3300ft). It is possible military radar would be able to pick up that there were two objects, he says. "It might be able to tell the difference, to know that there are two targets." If this happens, though, there's then the question of how this is interpreted on the ground. Is it a strange echo that would be discounted? When the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in 1941, although the US radar operator detected the incoming aircraft, they were dismissed as US bombers arriving from the mainland.

8. There was a struggle
One of the hardest things to account for so far with an innocent explanation is the way the plane was flown erratically. It went far above its "ceiling", flying at 45,000ft (13,716m) before later flying very low. Big fluctuations in altitude suggest there might have been a struggle, says Buzdygan. Post-9/11, cockpit doors have been strengthened against the possibility of hijack but there are still scenarios where access could be gained. Pilots talk to each other "over a beer" about how they'd deal with hijackers, he says. Buzdygan would have had no qualms about flying aggressively to try to resist a hijack. "I'd try to disorientate and confuse the hijackers by throwing them around," he says.

9. The passengers were deliberately killed by decompression
Another theory circulating is that the plane was taken up to 45,000ft to kill the passengers quickly, former RAF navigator Sean Maffett says. The supposed motive for this might have been primarily to stop the passengers using mobile phones, once the plane descended to a much lower altitude. At 45,000ft, the Boeing 777 is way above its normal operating height. And it is possible to depressurise the cabin, notes Maffett. Oxygen masks would automatically deploy. They would run out after 12-15 minutes. The passengers - as with carbon monoxide poisoning - would slip into unconsciousness and die, he argues. But whoever was in control of the plane would also perish in this scenario, unless they had access to some other form of oxygen supply.

10. The plane will take off again to be used in a terrorist attack
One of the more outlandish theories is that the plane has been stolen by terrorists to commit a 9/11 style atrocity. It has been landed safely, hidden or camouflaged, will be refuelled and fitted with a new transponder before taking off to attack a city. It would be very hard to land a plane, hide it and then take off again, Maffett suggested. But it can't be ruled out. "We are now at stage where very, very difficult things have to be considered as all sensible options seem to have dropped off," he says. It is not clear even whether a plane could be refitted with a new transponder and given a totally new identity in this way, he says. Others would say that while it is just about feasible the plane could be landed in secret, it is unlikely it would be in a fit state to take off again.


The even more far-fetched
Many of the above theories might seem far-fetched but there are even more outlandish-sounding ones out there.

If the plane had flown up the northern corridor, experts maintain it would probably have triggered primary radar. Key countries whose airspace it might have crossed are Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, China, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam, or Thailand. After 9/11, an unidentified airliner entering sovereign airspace is likely to lead to fighters being scrambled, says Maffett. "If the plane is in the northern arc it could easily have been shot down." It's a theory circulating on some forums. The notion is that no-one would want to admit shooting down an airliner full of passengers, Maffett says, and thus might currently be concealing the event.

But there are a host of holes in the theory. Firstly, the plane would still have had to avoid numerous radar systems before finally triggering one. And the nation responsible would be trying to keep secret the fate of the world's currently most-searched for object. Covering up the incident for so long would arguably make the shooting down look far worse.

Then there are other conspiracy theories. Some forum postings have pointed to the US military base in the middle of the Indian Ocean, on the tropical atoll of Diego Garcia. The island is owned by the UK but leased to the US. One of the more extreme theories circulating online claims that the Kremlin believes that the US "captured" the plane and flew it to its base. With a conspiracy theory of this magnitude it is difficult even to know where to start with the rebuttals.

A completely different thread of conspiracy theory assumes a sympathetic regime. The scepticism about flying undetected through radar changes somewhat if the hijackers are in cahoots with a country's government. There are several authoritarian regimes within the aircraft's range, but the conspiracy theory doesn't even require a government's co-operation - the hijackers could just be in cahoots with radar operators. Again, this seems to be a conspiracy of incredible complexity to be kept secret for this length of time. And what would the motive be for those colluding?

Mark
19-03-14, 11:56 AM
Who the hell knows what's going on? :confused:

I try to keep up with the news at breakfast by watching BBC1 every morning but they don't tend to cover it very much, so the above was an interesting read.

Seems shocking that it's almost 2 weeks since it disappeared.

Erkifino
19-03-14, 01:07 PM
With all the conspiracy theories going it's a wonder people haven't blamed Bane!

Craig Forrest
19-03-14, 01:07 PM
Number 5 which came from an experienced pilot sounds the most plausible to me.... one thing I've learned from working with police is that it's usually the simplest explanation that is the correct one....

I read his theory here http://www.philly.com/philly/news/breaking/Veteran_pilots_theory_on_missing_plane_goes_viral. html the guy even mentions that the plane was probably on auto-pilot..... probably assuming that the pilot would enter the heading on the auto-pilot while he and the co-pilot were trying to do other stuff.... that way they could do what they had to do and not worry about flying the plane at the same time.

but I'm waiting for Chris or BD to jump in with their tin-foil hat theories.... those are always the most entertaining :D

Patinoz
19-03-14, 01:47 PM
http://www.allmystery.de/i/t74f941_aliens-meme.jpg?bc

Craig Forrest
19-03-14, 02:10 PM
It's one or the other..... :D


http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/aliens-humans.jpg

ebfatz
19-03-14, 04:19 PM
It's been spotted parked in someone's back garden.

https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1.0-9/1947461_806386552724841_1696265295_n.jpg

Bevchenko
19-03-14, 09:46 PM
crazy to think with all the technology with have today that a plane can just vanish.

Ste117
19-03-14, 11:13 PM
The Russians have took to hold China to ransom to stay of their side against the West. Who knows, I think it is likely to have crashed.

Bevchenko
20-03-14, 05:38 AM
News in Australia, is that two objects have been found west of Perth on one of the potential flight arcs, so have scrambled aircraft and a navy ship to check it out....

Mark
20-03-14, 09:30 AM
Saw that this morning on the BBC news too. Not much hope for survivors if true!

slivie
20-03-14, 07:11 PM
I bet they regret this one now!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/1975174_10153935693960300_130203287_n.jpg

djole2mcloud
20-03-14, 07:44 PM
http://i1348.photobucket.com/albums/p722/djole2mcloud/aly_zps11ad5fd4.jpg

Mark
21-03-14, 12:49 PM
Still nothing found today from the looks of it. The search for the objects in the sea hasn't been found yet. It probably isn't even debris :(

Dermotron
21-03-14, 01:21 PM
Show's how bad news channels/stations are gone now. They had an expert on the BBC News at 11 or whatever it's called and the host spent 20 minutes talking about all aspects of what they would with the plane, how to handle the media, how long they had to get the black box up from the floor of the ocean and so on and so on with the expert without the word if used once. Basically this piece of debris was a foregone conclusion as proof of the location of the plane.

Was shocked that it was BBC I was watching, it was like a live version of the Mirror or the Sun. God damn awful journalism. At one stage the expert said every search boat used so far would be already on the journey to help the search for the rest of the wreckage

:facepalm:

Bevchenko
26-03-14, 09:55 PM
Surely this has to be it now:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2589723/French-satellite-spots-122-objects-75ft-long-Indian-Ocean-debris-doomed-Malaysian-airline.html

Mark
27-03-14, 09:43 AM
Was that reported yesterday? No more news today then!

Bevchenko
27-03-14, 10:25 AM
nope, the Australian government called off today search in the afternoon due to "bad weather". I swear nobody wants to find this plane.

Fods
28-03-14, 12:13 AM
The weather is pretty 'bad' in Australia right now

316'sRegen
30-03-14, 03:32 PM
crazy to think with all the technology with have today that a plane can just vanish.

exactly, thre are satellites watching every metre of the earth's surface. There are people who know what happened.

My guess is that the US Navy was testing out its new laser weapon, which was completed 2 or 3 days before this happened.

It's called LaWS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Weapon_System) and this is not uncommon for weapons to be tested in such a manner, in complete secrecy.

Craig Forrest
30-03-14, 05:00 PM
but I'm waiting for Chris or BD to jump in with their tin-foil hat theories.... those are always the most entertaining :D


exactly, thre are satellites watching every metre of the earth's surface. There are people who know what happened.

My guess is that the US Navy was testing out its new laser weapon, which was completed 2 or 3 days before this happened.

It's called LaWS (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laser_Weapon_System) and this is not uncommon for weapons to be tested in such a manner, in complete secrecy.

:ok:

you do realize that satellites fly on certain orbital paths around the earth and are usually only focused on areas where there is a point to have surveillance? Yes they can be re-routed to cover other areas when needed but no one is going to have satellite observing an uninhabited, remote patch of ocean.... and even if they were, there is a large chance that something happens while the satellite is not in position to actually observe the area in question.

and yes.... obviously the US Navy's new laser weapon.... couldn't be anything else :ok:

BeezerCeltic1967
30-03-14, 05:44 PM
earlier in the investigation at work one day, my mate shouted thru from the tv room "they have found a large object in the indian ocean.

quick as you like,

Beez - AYE, FUCKING AUSTRALIA :pound:

BeezerCeltic1967
30-03-14, 05:45 PM
The weather is pretty 'bad' in Australia right now

ya reckon

316'sRegen
30-03-14, 05:48 PM
of course i know satellites aren't static in orbit :lol:

if you don't think any and every part of the earth can be viewed by military satellites at any time i disagree.

I had to oblige with the wildest theory i've heard on this one but at the end of the day it's a distractionary story designed to stop you from looking at all the real news that's happening.

BeezerCeltic1967
30-03-14, 05:57 PM
i dread to think what satellites have seen me get up to over my life :lol:

Bevchenko
30-03-14, 11:30 PM
ya reckon

terrible mate, it rained for 32 seconds.

Fods
01-04-14, 08:21 AM
Sarah Palin finally gives a good explanation as to what happened to this flight

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/t1.0-9/1006093_830201670329557_1181339766_n.jpg

Bevchenko
01-04-14, 08:34 AM
was pissing myself when i first saw this last week, but sadly it's a fake :(

316'sRegen
01-04-14, 04:23 PM
Chatting with me bro about this yesterday and he had a better one than even the lasers.
Dunno where he heard it but here goes.

20 of the passengers were employed by an electronic weapons firm and were supposed to have recently cracked the technicalities of the physics behind a "cloaking device" (read Klingon Warbird) :D

Perhaps they tried it out on the flight, perhaps they were captured by China or Russia to secure the technology, all conjecture and rumour of course but there have been admitted invisibilty cloak research projects for well over 5 years now, I wouldn't dismiss anything out of hand.

Craig Forrest
01-04-14, 05:06 PM
Courtney Love already found it but they're keeping that quiet because they don't want to reveal just how much of a genius she actually is :ok:

Fods
02-04-14, 12:02 PM
A British nuclear submarine has now joined the search for the missing Malaysian jetliner off Western Australia, carrying highly secret underwater detection equipment in the hope of succeeding where two weeks of aerial reconnaissance has failed.

Keep ya nose out Britain

Redknapp69
03-04-14, 10:38 PM
We may as well try and rescue the situation

Fods
05-04-14, 01:47 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fzgQwDeP7eM

Fods
07-04-14, 05:33 AM
My friend was reading this on facebook last night and apparently just after he copied it, it was deleted before his eyes after it got about 100 likes in 10 minutes!!


The comment that was deleted....

If it wasn’t such a tragic event we could all freely laugh with great gusto at the mainstream media regarding the disappearance of Malaysian flight 370. Every single source, substantiated or not, was taken as a great revelation.

It was and continues to be a sad circus of events.

If those following the serious clues left available there is only one question to ask. Why does no one mention the Indian Oceans most advanced and secure air base, the stationary Aircraft Carrier located south of the southern tip of India called Diego Garcia?

Not a peep. Not even an indication of a US managed military installation that monitors everything in this war region. In fact the best old metaphor regarding the lack of reference to this location is “The Silence Is Deafening.”

So here it is. As CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBC, BBC, CTV and all the rest are prepared to spout off theories without any solid confirmation, here is one from a source who wishes to remain unidentified from Northwest BC Canada. This individual comes from a three decade long background of exposing the secrets the one percent and the military forces would rather have remained secret. He has recently revealed what happened to flight 370. ‘Film at Eleven’.

'Captain Zaharie Ahmad Shah prepared and practised with his home flight simulator and had determined the maximum speed and angle of decent the Boeing 777 could withstand.

As soon as the flight reached the extent of the Malaysian radar capability, when he knew they would no longer expect to see his radar signal, he wished the ground crews good night. He then turned off one tracking device, waited to see if anyone responded or raised alarm for 15 minutes, then turned off all communication devices. He locked the cabin door to prevent anyone from entering after asking his co-pilot to get him a drink or check on a system outside of the cockpit.

The Captain then immediately turned the plane southwest into a know flight path and climbed to over 40,000 ft. the maximum structural capability of the Boeing 777. He put on the pilot supplied air mask and kept the plane at over 40,000 ft until he was certain all the passengers and crew, including his co-pilot, were asphyxiated.

From his flight simulator experimentation he had already determined the precise coordinates where he would initiate his next action. To bring the plane down at the maximum speed and maximum angle of decent to make a direct hit on the fuel storage tanks at Diego Garcia'.

As he initiated this direct course of action the American Military had not been concerned with the radar blip of this flight at 40,000 plus feet. They monitor vessels and flights which appear to be a threat or are invading their space. However they were suddenly brought into complete attention as their warning systems set off alarms.
The base at Diego Garcia attempted to make radio contact and immediately dispatching interceptors. Knowing full well this was an imminent threat, having no time to debate the issue and recognizing the aircraft was operating in what was basically ‘stealth’ mode, uncommunicative, the plane was shot out of the sky.

Becoming aware of which flight it was with the political and potential military repercussions, the US military ordered a complete lock down on all communications regarding the event and began dispatching crews to locate and pick up all the debris.

When the rest of the world became aware the flight was missing the US Navy offered all their resource to help them look for it in the South China Sea, then the Gulf of Thailand, Bay of Bengal and the Strait of Malacca. This kept the worlds attention focused away from the location they were cleaning up.

US 7th Fleet Commander William Marks told CNN “We wait for the Malaysians to tell us where to search and we go there.”

This is the most telling statement of all. Since when does the US take directions from Malaysia unless they are simply providing the rope to let them hang themselves.

The most powerful radar systems in the region are at Diego Garcia. A perfect target for such an attack, one the USA stopped and one they simply cannot reveal to the world due to the nationality of the passengers on board. They will continue to assist in the search while doing everything to ensure no one even mentions Diego Garcia in the mainstream media.

Bevchenko
07-04-14, 06:37 AM
http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/17/f3/93/17f3937f739c435a01e61ce070a4e367.jpg

Craig Forrest
08-04-14, 03:42 AM
Is your mate Chris_316 or Blue Demon by any chance?

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/001667003/5442783826_trade8034_n2288_Its_a_conspiracy_answer _1_xlarge.jpeg

Fods
08-04-14, 04:21 AM
I just copied and pasted, werent actually my friend :ok:

316'sRegen
08-04-14, 04:21 PM
hmm, interesting CF how questioning things is ridiculed on this forum.

I wonder why the place is dead these days?

Craig Forrest
08-04-14, 06:07 PM
I don't ridicule questioning things.... I ridicule absurd theories... questioning is part of scientific inquiry.... spouting nonsense is something completely different :ok:

316'sRegen
08-04-14, 07:00 PM
sorry, i forgot you are the arbitrator of what is sensible.

A fucking plane disappeared in to thin air. That is nonsense and absurd mate :lol: Physically impossible in the laws of physics actually.

I know I have posted a lot of stuff on here that you probably disagree with, but I also know you haven't bothered to look into any of it and dismissed it off hand as "conspiracy theory" or "tinfoil" That isn't very scientific either.

Anyway, who cares? They have a beacon now reportedly so we'll see if there is any plane attached to it when and if it is recovered. China are busting their balls to find it now is the latest I heard, which will be interesting if there are signs that the undeniable and factual Laws Weapons (http://navaltoday.com/2014/04/08/us-navys-laser-weapon-ready-for-summer-deployment/) that are on US military ships was used here.

My problem is that a forum by definition is a place to air your own views and information.
You may disagree, but childish name calling isn't what I'd expect from you.

Craig Forrest
08-04-14, 08:17 PM
I don't recall calling you any names..... if I did then I apologize.... I strive to make fun of the argument, not the person.... and yes, I may have pointed out that you and BD often spout some crazy theories on here but that is backed up by fact and wasn't meant to be insulting :ok:

and I believe that, rather than a plane disappearing into thin air, a plane disappeared into a vast ocean in an uninhabited part of the planet and most, if not all wreckage, had probably sunk in the time it took to figure out where it was and get planes and ships there to investigate.

I suppose that anything is a possible theory at this point including a crazy pilot, aliens, a secret Navy super-weapon, or even a series of malfunctions resulting in a pilot flying blind and getting so off course that it took weeks to track down the plane's probable location.... Occam's razor my friend.... the solution that makes the fewest assumptions is the most probable (although not neccessarily correct).... and to me, human error and severe mechanical malfunctions are a much more sensible answer than some of the theories I've read online.

316'sRegen
08-04-14, 08:56 PM
thank you for clarifying buddy :ok:

I just tire of the tinfoil or conspiracy label and it winds me up as an argument because it doesn't actually dicsuss or argue any alternative viewpoint or even critique or explore the view presented.

I will try to post links to where i read the information in future, so that even if they seem outlandish you can see where I'm getting it from.

I've been saying this is a non-story up until now but if Chinese searchers find something first it will become interesting very quickly IMO what their press release will announce. I can't watch it for too long though on the news, CNN had a full hour earlier on the technology being used in the search :lol: in leiu of any news on the story ;)

Craig Forrest
08-04-14, 09:01 PM
but I like to wind people up sometimes.... :boink:

:D

Alan
08-04-14, 10:08 PM
I too can't wait for the Chinese press release, unparalleled beacons of honesty and transparency that they are over there.

316'sRegen
08-04-14, 10:20 PM
heh heh.

China are by no means a model to follow withtheir one party tyranny.

glass houses comes to mind though, have you watched our "NEWS" lately? Skews more like.

They all have their own agenda i guess but if the Chinese are first to find anything suspect they won't be shy in revealing it. The truth is a powerful weapon no matter who delivers it :ok:

316'sRegen
14-04-14, 06:24 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-navy-christens-huge-3-billion-destroyer-ship-uss-zumwalt-that-appears-as-a-fishing-boat-on-enemy-radar-9257304.html

Goofy
14-04-14, 06:31 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-navy-christens-huge-3-billion-destroyer-ship-uss-zumwalt-that-appears-as-a-fishing-boat-on-enemy-radar-9257304.html

Reminds me of Captain Nemo's Nautilus ship from The League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen!

BeezerCeltic1967
02-05-14, 01:03 PM
America is withdrawing from Afghanistan, one of their command and control system (used for controlling the pilot less drones) was hijacked by Taliban when the American transport convoy was moving down from one of the hill top bases. The Taliban ambushed the convoy and killed 2 American Seal personnel, seized the equipment/weapons, including the command and control system which weighed about 20 tons and packed into 6 crates. This happened about a month ago in Feb 2014.

The Taliban want money. They want to sell the system to Russia or China. The Russians are too busy in Ukraine. The Chinese are hungry for the system's technology. Just imagine if the Chinese master the technology behind the command and control system, all the American drones will become useless. So the Chinese sent 8 top defense scientists to check the system and agreed to pay millions for it.

Sometime in early Mar 2014, the 8 scientists and the 6 crates made their way to Malaysia, thinking that it was the best covert way to avoid detection. The cargo was then kept in the Embassy under diplomatic protection. Meanwhile America has engaged assistance of Israeli intelligence, and together they are determined to intercept and recapture the cargo.

Chinese calculated that it will be safe to transport it via civilian aircraft so as to avoid suspicion. After all the direct flight from KL to Beijing takes only 4 and half hours, and American will not hijack or harm civilians. So MH370 is the perfect carrier.

There are 5 American and Israeli agents on board who are familiar with Boeing operation. The 2 "Iranians" with stolen passports could be among them.

When MH370 is about to leave Malaysian air space and reporting to Vietnamese air control, one American AWAC jammed their signal, disabled the pilot control system and switched over to remote control mode. That was when the plane suddenly lost altitude momentarily.

How can AWAC can do it ? Remember 911 incident ? After the 911 incident, all Boeing aircraft (and possibly all Airbus) are installed with remote control system to counter terrorist hijacking. Since then all Boeing can be remote controlled by ground control tower. The same remote control system used to control the pilotless spy aircraft and drones.

The 5 American/Israeli agents took over the plane, switched off the transponder and other communication system, changed course and flew westwards. They dare not fly east to Philippines or Guam because the whole South China Sea air space was covered by Chinese surveillance radar and satellite.

The Malaysian, Thai and Indian military radars actually detected the unidentified aircraft but did not react professionally.

The plane flew over North Sumatra, Anambas, South India and then landed at Maldives (some villagers saw the aircraft landing), refueled and continued its flight to Diego Gar CIA the American Air Base in the middle of Indian Ocean. The cargo and the black box were removed. The passengers were silenced via natural means, lack of oxygen. They believe only dead people will not talk.

The MH370 with dead passengers was air borne again via remote control and crashed into South Indian Ocean, making to believe that the plane eventually ran out of fuel and crashed, then blame the defiant captain and copilot.

American has put on a good show. First diverting all the attention and search effort in the South China Sea while the plane made their way to Indian Ocean. Then they came out with conflicting statements and evidence to confuse the world. Australian is the co-actor.

The amount of effort put up by China, in terms of the number of search aircraft, ships and satellites, searching first South China Sea, then Malacca Straits and Indian Ocean is unprecedented. This showed that China is very concerned, not so much about the many Chinese civilian passengers, but mainly the high value cargo and its 8 top defense scientists.

If anything it would make a right good movie :ok:

316'sRegen
02-05-14, 04:02 PM
interesting.

on a related note, the 9/11 conspiracies are many and varied. It's well known however that there were "War Games" going on that same day (9/11/01) where the scenario was indeed remote control aeroplanes being crashed into buildings. The tech was new then, developed by a canadian aerospace firm, and some conspiracists say this was a test run in the real world to see if the system actually worked.

Nice theory I reckon, as in the interim years they are bound to have perfected that tech and deployed it.

Does anyone think we'll ever know what happened to these unlucky passengers though? It does whiff of skullduggery in my opinion.

Cam F
02-05-14, 05:20 PM
Not seen that long a post from beez since full on rants in infamous banned Scottish banter thread :lol: ;)

Bring back Dodge!!!!

316'sRegen
02-05-14, 08:30 PM
:D

He has a few good speeches in the politics thread, good topic as well Scottish independence


http://historicalhistrionics.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/braveheart-crazy-face.jpg

Patinoz
02-05-14, 09:41 PM
Re: Beez' post

Unreal what some people come up with. So obviously fake, it hurts.

ZanSnake
03-05-14, 12:50 AM
Wait, so this somehow became a Scottish rant?

BeezerCeltic1967
03-05-14, 03:35 PM
no,
cam is still clearly got a bee in his bonnet about something...
otherwise why bring another thread which he was very much part of getting closed into this?? Bizarre behaviour :attention:
Let it go cameron, let it go :ok:


:focus:

Blue Demon
05-05-14, 01:46 PM
interesting.

on a related note, the 9/11 conspiracies are many and varied. It's well known however that there were "War Games" going on that same day (9/11/01) where the scenario was indeed remote control aeroplanes being crashed into buildings. The tech was new then, developed by a canadian aerospace firm, and some conspiracists say this was a test run in the real world to see if the system actually worked.

Nice theory I reckon, as in the interim years they are bound to have perfected that tech and deployed it.

Does anyone think we'll ever know what happened to these unlucky passengers though? It does whiff of skullduggery in my opinion.

Trending 9/11 conspiracy; there were no planes :D
Trending missing flight conspiracy; the plane will re-appear, likely in the US, for another 9/11 ish attack :D

316'sRegen
05-05-14, 01:48 PM
Trending 9/11 conspiracy; there were no planes :D
Trending missing flight conspiracy; the plane will re-appear, likely in the US, for another 9/11 ish attack :D

holographic projection? I heard that one :lol:

you should have a listen to Dr Judy Wood talking about 11th September 2001, very interesting some of the points she makes.

Craig Forrest
06-05-14, 03:19 PM
Can I merge this with the conspiracy theory thread yet?

316'sRegen
06-05-14, 03:21 PM
:lol:

NO!

They haven't found the plane yet!

316'sRegen
06-05-14, 03:33 PM
Only kidding btw, we all know it will never be found :ok:

Craig Forrest
06-05-14, 09:12 PM
Only kidding btw, we all know it will never be found :ok:

Sure it will... the Reptilians will use a hologram of it to create a second 9/11 and install Douglas Rushkoff as the new Leader of the Free World


... at least that's what I've gathered from reading a bunch of posts and threads..... I may have misinterpreted some things....

colml
06-05-14, 09:20 PM
Sure it will... the Reptilians will use a hologram of it to create a second 9/11 and install Douglas Rushkoff as the new Leader of the Free World


... at least that's what I've gathered from reading a bunch of posts and threads..... I may have misinterpreted some things....

Don't forget the bananas

Fods
06-05-14, 10:02 PM
I think there were to many bananas on the plane that they weighed it down.

Alan
06-05-14, 11:44 PM
Gotta blame Dani Alves ultimately if that is the case.

Blue Demon
09-05-14, 08:52 PM
:lol:

NO!

They haven't found the plane yet!

Some sources say there is a replica in Israel. :)

Bevchenko
17-06-14, 06:00 AM
101 days since Flight MH370 disappeared.

Do you think it will ever be found?

wato20
17-06-14, 09:50 AM
No.

Bevchenko
08-03-15, 10:30 PM
1 year on, still no plane. :(

Ste117
08-03-15, 10:40 PM
I still think it hasn't even crashed. It is probably somewhere remote.

Craig Forrest
08-03-15, 11:37 PM
Infinite flight?

Rapinoe
09-03-15, 01:16 AM
Mr Lumic has it, and is converting the passengers to Cybermen

Bevchenko
02-08-15, 11:09 AM
over a year and debris starting to turn up it's crazy. Still don't reckon we will ever find the majority of it though.

Fods
08-01-16, 12:21 PM
Did they find it?