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Bevchenko
07-03-12, 09:10 PM
Anybody here believe any of the conspiracy theories? I think that Area 51 stuff is a bit dodgy, but i'm not too sure about everything else!

Discuss...;)

Scooterfan
07-03-12, 09:25 PM
Info0 is a serial killer....

AMC
07-03-12, 09:27 PM
That's fact

Bevchenko
07-03-12, 09:55 PM
Serious in this thread lads please :)

Some to discuss:

1) 9/11 was planned by the US government
2) Apollo moon landing was a hoax
3) Princess Diana was killed by the Royal Family

Patinoz
07-03-12, 10:03 PM
all bullshit

thread can be closed now

Craig Forrest
08-03-12, 02:42 AM
all bullshit

thread can be closed now

+1

The earth is flat.... discuss

WelshRed
08-03-12, 07:04 AM
Diana being killed by the Royal Family? ...... My arse, Ralph Little isn't that clever... :)

ZanSnake
08-03-12, 09:23 AM
Diana being killed by the Royal Family? ...... My arse, Ralph Little isn't that clever... :)

:tsk:

Monkey the Chicken
08-03-12, 12:55 PM
I like reading about them, not sure how many I believe though.

One thing I did discover through reading about them though were 'Number Stations' - have a read on Wiki. I find them creepy, but fascinating too. Who does them? Why? Very weird....

ebfatz
08-03-12, 01:14 PM
I like reading about them, not sure how many I believe though.

Me too. The 9/11 ones are fascinating.
The relatively new one about Michael Jackson not actually being dead is not so believeable!!

Cafcjgreen
08-03-12, 01:15 PM
4, 8, 15, 16, 23, & 42

316'sRegen
09-03-12, 12:15 AM
the illuminati is the best one.

A higher level of power that basically pulls the strings and decides who will be primeminister, who will be president etc etc.
Apparently they have been there for centuries manipulating the direction the world takes, using the masses' own fear to control them.

As conspiracy theories go this one is the ultimate, but as with all of these, no proof exists :D

WelshRed
09-03-12, 12:38 AM
I do love a good conspiracy :)

The whole Mayan calendar thing, Bermuda triangle the list goes on...

Let's go the next step and suggest any documentaries people have seen... I've seem some cracking documentaries in the Bermuda triangle I will post when I get chance :ok:

Patinoz
09-03-12, 01:55 AM
http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/485464_700b.jpg

Craig Forrest
09-03-12, 02:25 AM
people don't seem to realize that our calendar ends every year on December 31st..... the Mayan calendar just happened to be longer....

Craig Forrest
09-03-12, 02:27 AM
I do love a good conspiracy :)

The whole Mayan calendar thing, Bermuda triangle the list goes on...

Let's go the next step and suggest any documentaries people have seen... I've seem some cracking documentaries in the Bermuda triangle I will post when I get chance :ok:

Try and find a copy of the book "Where Troy Once Stood".... a very well written explanation about why the Trojan War took place in England (instead of Turkey) and wasn't over a woman (Helen) but was really about control of the trade in tin which was crucial to making bronze.

Monkey the Chicken
09-03-12, 09:00 AM
the illuminati is the best one.

A higher level of power that basically pulls the strings and decides who will be primeminister, who will be president etc etc.
Apparently they have been there for centuries manipulating the direction the world takes, using the masses' own fear to control them.

As conspiracy theories go this one is the ultimate, but as with all of these, no proof exists :D


I wrote this about the Illuminati (may contain traces of fiction): http://bit.ly/yEttZn

Camden_R
09-03-12, 02:33 PM
I like to check out Graham Hancock's website as he continually posts articles from all over the world on interesting topics. Not so much conspiracy theories but more substantial information.

Also a good podcast I'd recommend is The Unexplained with Howard Hughes and also Red Ice Radio, as they always have interesting guests on in the area of "conspiracy theories".

Fods
26-04-13, 12:15 AM
By Alex Seitz-Wald - Salon

http://i.imgur.com/FSRXAER.jpg

We’ve written before about the historical and social aspects of conspiracy theories, but wanted to learn more about the psychology of people who believe, for instance, that the Boston Marathon bombing was a government “false flag” operation. Psychological forces like motivated reasoning have long been associated with conspiracy thinking, but scientists are learning more every year. For instance, a British study published last year found that people who believe one conspiracy theory are prone to believe many, even ones that are completely contradictory.

Professor Stephan Lewandowsky, a cognitive scientist at the University of Western Australia, published a paper late last month in the journal Psychological Science that has received widespread praise for looking at the thinking behind conspiracy theories about science and climate change. We asked him to explain the psychology of conspiracy theories. This conversation has been edited for brevity and clarity.

First of all, why do people believe conspiracy theories?

There are number of factors, but probably one of the most important ones in this instance is that, paradoxically, it gives people a sense of control. People hate randomness, they dread the sort of random occurrences that can destroy their lives, so as a mechanism against that dread, it turns out that it’s much easier to believe in a conspiracy. Then you have someone to blame, it’s not just randomness.

What are the psychological forces at play in conspiracy thinking?

Basically what’s happening in any conspiracy theory is that people have a need or a motivation to believe in this theory, and it’s psychologically different from evidence-based thinking. A conspiracy theory is immune to evidence, and that can pretty well serve as the definition of one. If you reject evidence, or reinterpret the evidence to be confirmation of your theory, or you ignore mountains of evidence to focus on just one thing, you’re probably a conspiracy theorist. We call that a self-sealing nature of reasoning.

Another common trait is the need to constantly expand the conspiracy as new evidence comes to light. For instance, with the so-called Climategate scandal, there were something like nine different investigations, all of which have exonerated the scientists involved. But the response from the people who held this notion was to say that all of those investigations were a whitewash. So it started with the scientists being corrupt and now not only is it them, but it’s also all the major scientific organizations of the world that investigated them and the governments of the U.S. and the U.K., etc., etc. And that’s typical — instead of accepting the evidence, you actually turn it around and say that it’s actually evidence to support the conspiracy because it just means it’s even broader than it was originally thought to be.

Are there certain types of people who are more prone to believing in conspiracy theories than others? Does it match any kind of political lines?

I don’t think there is a systematic association between political views and the propensity to believe in conspiracy theories. There are some studies that suggest people on the political left are inclined to it, and there are some that suggest people on the right are. But it’s always a weak association. There are some theories that appeal to only one side, however. For example, the idea that 9/11 was an inside job was fairly common among Democrats in the early part of the 2000s, and very few Republicans believed it at the time. But conversely, the idea that the U.N. is trying to create a world government is predominantly held by people on the right, but not at all by people on the political left. So it really doesn’t depend on politics.

Everyone is prone to some degree of bias and motivated reasoning — where do you draw the line, if there is one?

The crucial difference between having a preconceived notion — we all do that, of course — and conspiratorial thinking is when you get into that self-sealing reasoning and ignore every piece of evidence that is pointing the other way, when you’re starting to broaden the circle of conspirators, and when your skepticism gets to be nihilistic — when you believe absolutely nothing that the government or the media is saying — that’s when you’ve crossed the line.

I hear a lot of stories from people who email or from friends who have a brother, or cousin, or friend who they say is normal and smart, but then they’re horrified to find conspiratorial stuff on their Facebook page or whatnot. One was even a medical student at a very prestigious school. How do otherwise smart and reasonable people end up believing this stuff?

Well, there is no relationship to intelligence, in my experience. Many of these people are actually quite smart, though not all, so it’s not that. It’s the need to explain and control, as I said, but it can be other things also: A general sense of disgruntlement, feeling excluded from society. Feeling discriminated against. Even insecurity in one’s job.

And it’s often with good reason. For instance, the conspiracy theory that AIDS was created by the U.S. government is held disproportionately by African-Americans. In a sense, there is good reason to have that suspicion, since it wasn’t that long ago that, in the 1950s or even later, that the U.S. government was sterilizing African-Americans and doing all sorts of horrible things to them without their consent. So some conspiracy theories have a grain of historical truth in them — that’s not to say the theories are true, but the conditions that give rise to them are.

How should we think of conspiracy theorists? They’re often dismissed as fringey nuts, but an awful lot of Americans believe in one conspiracy or another.

First of all, any extraordinary event will be followed by conspiracy theorizing. I can tell you that right now. Whatever happens tomorrow, there will be a conspiracy theory about it. Number two, I think it’s important that we understand that it satisfies a need. It isn’t that these people are necessarily disordered or marginal members of society. After all, not that long ago, half of Republican primary voters thought President Obama was born outside the U.S. So, if half of one segment of a population believes in a conspiracy theory then you can’t talk about marginal elements and you have to accept that it’s a real part of society and serves a need. And I think we have to understand that need and find ways for society to find other ways in which that need can be satisfied.

Patinoz
26-04-13, 02:02 AM
Great article Fods :ok:



Chris, read carefully :boink:

Fods
28-04-13, 02:36 AM
Very interesting, some of the pics are quite Gruesome - some interesting articles in the Hyper Links too

False Flags, Fake Blood, and Michelle Obama: A Guide to the Boston Marathon Conspiracies - By Robert Beckhusen - Wired


Forget everything you thought you knew about the Boston bombings. The real story behind the attack involves not a pair of radicalized brothers, but a world-spanning conspiracy of Michelle Obama, a network of Russian oligarchs, and an army of stagehands armed with fake blood. Oh, and deceased suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev? He was taken alive. Naked.

Of course all this is true, it’s on the internet. And the internet’s conspiracy theorists have been hard at work the past week revealing the hidden secrets behind the Boston Marathon bombings (http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/boston-data-manhunt/). The reason for all the complexity and machinations between the rich and powerful: it’s a necessary measure before imposing martial law in the United States. Boston was merely the catalyst.

Before you dismiss all this, ask yourself: can you prove the Boston bombings aren’t part of a plan to impose martial law? Didn’t think so. Asking our audience to disprove non-falsifiable claims is also an essential part of Tinfoil Tuesday, Danger Room’s sporadic venture into the delectable lunacy of online conspiracy theories. That sleight of hand involving the burden of proof are central to the conspiracy theories about Boston.

The Boston Marathon bombings have become a conspiratorial cornucopia. One video circulating the web purports to show a stripped Tamerlan being taken into custody (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6Te9mMuhag), after he died. Other theories focused on Abdulrahman Ali Alharbi, a student and Saudi national who was injured in the bombing — and incorrectly reported (http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/fbi_grills_saudi_man_XaT5rE40LDdAH44vMFOEXM) by the New York Post to be a “potential” suspect. “Why was the investigation of a mysterious Saudi national with familial links to al-Qaeda suddenly dropped shortly after the Saudi ambassador held an unscheduled meeting with Barack Obama (http://www.saudiembassy.net/latest_news/news04171301.aspx)?” blogger Michael Snyder asked yesterday. “Why did Michelle Obama subsequently visit that mysterious Saudi national (http://intellihub.com/2013/04/22/17-unanswered-questions-about-the-boston-marathon-bombing-the-media-is-afraid-to-ask/) in the hospital?”

Maybe because Alharbi was never actually a suspect? But the Obamas – mysteriously – visited injured patients (http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/04/18/obamas-visit-boston-marathon-bombing-victims-at-hospitals/) at several Boston-area hospitals on Thursday — something you’d never expect presidents and their spouses to do after a national tragedy. It’s merely the perfect cover for Michelle Obama to visit the Saudi national to discuss her sinister plans.

Nor was Michelle Obama the only one up to something shady. Blogger Daniel Hopsicker at Madcow Morning News — no relation to radio talk show host Erich “Mancow” Muller — named “Uncle” Ruslan Tsarni, the suspects’ uncle, as a member of the conspiracy. Tsarni’s accomplices? “Halliburton executives, suspected CIA assets, Chechnyan crime bosses, oligarchs stealing billions from banks and laundering money with seeming impunity, fire-eaters, peacock-feathered stilt-walkers, and a girl swinging on a trapeze (http://www.madcowprod.com/2013/04/22/was-boston-bombers-uncle-ruslan-with-the-cia/) pouring vodka into ice sculptures shaped like naked male and female torsos,” Hopsicker wrote.

It’s not clear what the swinging girl had to do with this. But none of their plans could have come to fruition were it not for the patsies on the ground on the day of the bombing. Blogger “Bman,” who writes “The Redneck’s Guide to Reversing Their Control of Your Brain,” speculated the traumatic leg injuries caused by the blasts were fake (http://buelahman.wordpress.com/2013/04/20/are-you-just-a-believer-or-do-you-think/) (warning: graphic), and the injured victims of the bombings were actors who dumped several liters of fake blood on the ground. “There is clear evidence of false flag staging here,” he wrote. (Ugh.) That theory was also picked up by online fans of alleged bomber (http://blog-admin.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/cult-of-tsarnaev/) Dzokhar Tsarnaev (http://blog-admin.wired.com/dangerroom/2013/04/tsarnaev-charged/) — they claim he’s been framed.

Alternatively, according to Israeli conflict tabloid (http://www.wired.com/politics/law/news/2001/10/47325?currentPage=all) Debkafile, the Tsarnaev brothers carried out the attacks. They just weren’t meant to. They were “double agents (http://debka.com/article/22914/The-Tsarnaev-brothers-were-double-agents-who-decoyed-US-into-terror-trap),” Debkafile claimed, “hired by U.S. and Saudi intelligence to penetrate the Wahhabi jihadist networks which, helped by Saudi financial institutions, had spread across the restive Russian Caucasian.” But then something went wrong. “Instead, the two former Chechens betrayed their mission and went secretly over to the radical Islamist networks.”

That doesn’t jibe with Infowars, which has the dubious honor of being out in front of all Boston Marathon-related insanity. Last week, the king of conspiracy sites flirted (http://www.infowars.com/obama-covering-up-saudi-link-to-boston-bombing/) with the purported Saudi connection in the days after the bombing, but switched gears once the Tsarnaev brothers had their identities revealed. According to Infowars, Tamerlan Tsarnaev was a “false flag asset (http://www.infowars.com/fbi-fumbles-as-it-tries-to-cover-up-false-flag-asset-tamerlan-tsarnaev/)” in the employ of the government. “This is what fully fledged martial law (http://www.infowars.com/shocking-footage-americans-ordered-out-of-homes-at-gunpoint-by-swat-teams/) in America looks like,” Steve Watson wrote. According to Infowars’ Kurt Nimmo, the purported Saudi link is now “part of the establishment’s plan (http://www.infowars.com/glenn-becks-double-standard-on-bad-bad-bad-men/) to ramp up and extend the phony war on Muslim terror.”

So a conspiracy theory is itself part of the conspiracy? Laugh if you want. But if true, it means there are conspiracy theorists out there who may not be as trustworthy as they seem. Perish the thought.

Blue Demon
02-05-13, 10:38 AM
the illuminati is the best one.

A higher level of power that basically pulls the strings and decides who will be primeminister, who will be president etc etc.
Apparently they have been there for centuries manipulating the direction the world takes, using the masses' own fear to control them.

As conspiracy theories go this one is the ultimate, but as with all of these, no proof exists :D

Robert Anton Wilson - The Vatican / Cocaine / CIA connection (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q54xeCVFg8I)

316'sRegen
03-05-13, 02:40 PM
:lol:

seen plenty of proof since then.

EL-TOPPO
08-05-13, 03:23 PM
A few conspiracy theories linked to sandy hook killings.. supposedly setup by the american government.

Fods
26-05-13, 04:08 AM
Bizarre conspiracy theories which claim the horrifying Woolwich machete attack was a hoax have began to circulate.

In what is certainly a doctored version of a now widely circulated ITV video showing one of the bloodied suspects addressing a camera, the man now appears with "clean" hands. (Scroll down for video).

The clip, posted to YouTube by user Antislaveboy, has been spliced with the original footage and suggests news outlets added the blood later.

http://i.imgur.com/QGjLNNB.jpg

It also asks why there is no visible blood around the body of the man (since named as Drummer Lee Rigsby).

Accompanying further footage of a police officer ushering crowds away, it adds: "Yes listen to the masonic copper, move back before you film anything incriminating against their charade."

The vast majority of comments left beneath the video agree the footage has clearly been altered, with Kyle McIIwraith adding: "Just look at the traffic lines behind him, they change as well... somebody needs better video editing skills."

Truth Frequency Radio links to the same video and pitches in with the following:


"The world is all a stage. . Call me jaded, cynical, skeptical or even out right crazy but this event has all of the same earmarks as the Sandy Hook, the Boston Marathon bombings and so many recent events. The stage is a some-what well organized area, actors seem to be placed in strategic areas waiting for their cue and once again we see the remarkable absence of blood. The story is also full of anti-Islamic propaganda even going so far as to claim the "perpetrator" yelled "Allahu Ahkbar" just before beheading the man."

A further site named Beforeitsnews.com asks why there was "no blood surrounding the man despite reports that the two men 'hacked away at him like a piece of meat'?"

It also speculates as to why no one asked for help at the nearby military barracks.

Conspiracy theories in the aftermath of tragedies are becoming ever more common as fringe groups pick apart police video and media reports, often causing pain and suffering to genuine victims they accuse of being "actors".

The original footage obtained by ITV news shows one of the suspects carrying knives, speaking into a camera.

It shows a man, wearing a dark jacket, jeans and a beanie hat, calmly walking towards the camera with what appears to be two large knives clasped by the handles in his bloodied left hand.

Gesticulating with both hands - while gripping the weapons - he points to his own face as he says: "We must fight them as they fight us. An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."

http://i.imgur.com/Ek7iIVW.jpg

One woman who intervened in the aftermath of the attack is Ingrid Loyau-Kennett, who confronted the suspects and urged them to hand over their weapons, warning them: “It is only you versus many people, you are going to lose.”

The 48-year-old told the Daily Telegraph that one of the attackers said to her that they "want to start a war in London tonight".

She added: "I asked him if he did it and he said yes, and I said, 'Why?' And he said because he has killed Muslim people in Muslim countries, he said he was a British solider and I said, 'Really?' And he said, 'I killed him because he killed Muslims and I am fed up with people killing Muslims in Afghanistan, they have nothing to do there'."

Prime Minister David Cameron has branded the killing a "betrayal of Islam".

Speaking in Downing Street on Thursday morning, he said there was "absolutely no justification" for the murder which is believed to have been carried out by Islamist extremists.

"What happened yesterday in Woolwich has sickened us all. On our televisions last night and in our newspapers this morning we have all seen images that are deeply shocking. The people who did this were trying to divide us. They should know something like this will only bring us together and make us stronger," he said.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zfa3gXTqOH8&feature=player_embedded

Blue Demon
26-05-13, 09:42 AM
Not so bizarre. :)

Fods
26-05-13, 11:22 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/woolwich-attack-video-watch-shocking-1907772

316'sRegen
27-05-13, 12:53 AM
I haven't really looked into this as my internet was off all week but what I've seen on the bought and paid for collaborator news just seems to me like a whipped up frenzy of fear and hatred/encitement.

I know Rigby is dead, that this is tragic for his family and fellow soldiers and that the perpetrator has to pay for his crime but in my opinion that's what it is, a CRIME.

The news immediately call it a "TERROR ATTACK" but realistically it is a crazy fool with sharp weapons trying to justify his twisted mind and his horrendous acts through religion. HIS twisted version of how he (or whoever taught him) interprets this religion

The powers that be are using the media to keep us in perpetual fear and this story instead of being told as a crazy man with a cleaver is now portrayed to us as the shady muslim lurking around every corner, waiting to behead you and your friends and family. This is all to keep Christians and Muslims wary and suspicious of each other and to encite hatred from the idiotic extremists to further inflame the situation, of course they are that fucking retarted that they play along (EDL), attacking mosques etc it's disgusting and very stupid

The power structure know that a lot of people of all faiths are waking up to the overall control system and the designed to fail banking cartel that runs the whole planet so switching to the classic "divide and conquer" strategy should work to keep the rabble in line, let them kill each other. After all, it's worked superbly for thousands of years :(

I know a lot of people will say I'm cynical or :tinfoil: or whatever but if you look closely at any of these events, it's usually something to do with the security/intelligence services in some way. I think you'll find that this guys is MI5, that will come out eventually.

wato20
28-05-13, 10:30 AM
I cannot see him being MI5...

Although someone else said that to me..


I think BAN religion..

Then we'd all be happy...

Blue Demon
28-05-13, 10:34 AM
If religion gets banned I might become religious.

316'sRegen
28-05-13, 10:44 AM
I have recently found the right religion for me.

Wato, you would probably like this one as well, perhaps it could change your mind about organised religion. This one doesn't even call for Armageddon or anything! No Killing, No them and us, just peace.

The Church Of the Holy Smoke (http://hempembassy.net/modules/content/index.php?id=26#.UaR7V9hr_Zk)

I'd love to go to the Nimbin Mardi Grass festival some year, this town looks awesome, if you aren't a smoker you can't live there :lol:


:smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin::smokin:

wato20
28-05-13, 11:03 AM
I went there when I was in OZ... Nimbin...

Mental place.

Bought some weed off some old grannie sat on the street.

Smoked some in a park.

Police pulled up.
I shit myself.
They didnt come into the park though.

Phew.

but that was enough.

I was throwing a whitey and starting to go under.

Me and my bro were both stoned, high as kites and we drove off, into the sunset, most surreal drive ever, with all the hills and mountains and countryside.

Had a great time then on the rest of the holiday..
Even left the weed in a locker in Sydney for 4 nights while i flew to Melbourne for the GP...

and picked it up on my return..

316'sRegen
28-05-13, 11:13 AM
The stoners have taken over the town :D

Police wouldn't have bothered you at all. I want to live in this place!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SuOCf6xZF4

wato20
28-05-13, 11:19 AM
It was a bit too fucked up for me though...

Some weird things were going on when i was there.

Dermotron
07-06-13, 04:50 PM
Prism: Just how much do the spooks know?


Life through a prism - what did the spooks see?

News that the US government's national security agency has been allegedly tapping into the phone records of Verizon customers quickly escalated into reports that it also had backdoor access to the major technology companies, including Apple, Google and Facebook.

The so-called Prism programme tapped into the servers of nine internet firms, according to leaked documents obtained by the Washington Post.

The leaked documents, supposedly supplied by a discontented spy, claim that the project gives the NSA access to email, chat logs, any stored data, voice traffic, file transfers and social networking data.

While it was primarily aimed at counter-terrorism, the scale of it meant huge swathes of citizen data were also sucked up, according to the Washington Post.

The newspaper claimed that the NSA can even conduct live surveillance of someone doing a Google search.



The companies were very quick to deny that they offered "direct access" to their servers, leading many commentators to ask whether that actually meant that they offered indirect access or whether the NSA was perhaps filtering traffic independently.

For digital forensics expert Prof Peter Sommer, the seeming clash between what the leaked documents suggest and the denials of the firms indicate the access was limited in scale.

"It may be more of a catflap than a backdoor," he said.

"The spooks may be allowed to use these firms' servers but only in respect of a named target. Or they may get a court order and the firm will provide them with material on a hard-drive or similar."

The idea that the authorities acted independently is unlikely, he thinks.

"They can't just put a magic box over the internet wire," he said. "Gmail and Facebook traffic is encrypted to thwart the cyber-crooks and in order to get hold of material they would need the co-operation of the firms."

Even if the intelligence service had access to a piece of software that could automatically filter traffic and identify the bad guys, it would throw up hundreds of false positives.

"We don't even understand how a domestic terrorist born in this country to a middle-class family becomes a radical. How can we expect a piece of software to know that?" he said.

Traffic cameras
For security expert Prof Alan Woodward, the idea that the authorities can routinely snoop on internet traffic is nothing new.

"The security services have a mandate to intercept foreign communications and signals to look for intelligence and analysis about threats to the security of the country. They have been doing it for years." he said.

"Lots of internet traffic is routed through Europe and the US so it is not altogether surprising that they are taking the opportunity to look at this traffic."

What is important to note, he said, is that the authorities are interested in communications from foreigners rather than the emails of its own citizens - something backed up by a statement from the US Director of National Intelligence James Clapper.

"There are cases where they could inadvertently perhaps collect [citizen data] but not wittingly," he said in congressional testimony.

General analysis of traffic on the networks is not necessarily a privacy scandal, thinks Prof Woodward.

"It is no different from the cameras routinely looking at the traffic road network. If you see a problem, for example an accident, you may want to zoom in but you need to get a court order in order to access the registration of a particular vehicle," he said.

Weaken security
Governments around the world are keen to increase the access that the police, as well as the intelligence services, have to internet communications.

New laws are needed as internet communication changes, they argue.

But getting the wording of such legislation right can be a minefield.

In the UK, the snoopers charter was recently dropped for being far too wide in scope and similar legislation in the US is facing controversy.

Security expert Brue Schneier notes in his blog that the ongoing push from the authorities to increase the amount of information to which they have access has a downside.

"It's impossible to build a communications system that allows the FBI surreptitious access but doesn't allow similar access by others," he said. "When it comes to security, we have two options: We can build our systems to be as secure as possible from eavesdropping, or we can deliberately weaken their security. We have to choose one or the other."

Privacy v Security
And while the authorities may have a bird's eye view of internet traffic, they may not be as clever as we think, points out Prof Woodward.

Military-grade encryption is now routinely available rendering emails unreadable. And stenography, the method of hiding information within other information, is also giving the authorities a real headache.

"There are big concerns about how much is being sent using this method. Because it hides itself we don't even know if it is being widely used," he said.

"People may have got their knickers in a twist about something that is not as dark or devious as they think."

He also has niggling doubts that Prism is even genuine.

"For something of that level of security to be leaked is highly unusual. I have never seen that before and that seems a bit odd to me," he said.

Whether Prism turns out to be a bit of a sideshow or the biggest data collection scandal of its time remains to be seen. But before the privacy witch-hunt begins, people need to decide their priorities, thinks Prof Sommer.

"If something goes wrong everyone will ask why didn't the spooks do something to stop it," he said. "But on the other hand there is a belief that society is based on an element of privacy so that the spooks can only do things under correct judicial process. That clash has been with us for a long time and is difficult to reconcile."

Craig Forrest
09-06-13, 05:11 AM
http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/craigforrest/996844_607701982584150_1196533065_n.jpg

Erkifino
09-06-13, 10:02 AM
By my maths that means 96% of America are mental! I mean who doesn't believe in shape shifting reptiles?!?

316'sRegen
11-06-13, 01:21 AM
Bilderberg Attendes:

FRA Castries, Henri de Chairman and CEO, AXA Group

DEU Achleitner, Paul M. Chairman of the Supervisory Board, Deutsche Bank AG
DEU Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Board, Zurich Insurance Group Ltd
GBR Agius, Marcus Former Chairman, Barclays plc
GBR Alexander, Helen Chairman, UBM plc
USA Altman, Roger C. Executive Chairman, Evercore Partners
FIN Apunen, Matti Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA
USA Athey, Susan Professor of Economics, Stanford Graduate School of Business
TUR Aydintasbas, Asli Columnist, Milliyet Newspaper
TUR Babacan, Ali Deputy Prime Minister for Economic and Financial Affairs
GBR Balls, Edward M. Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer
PRT Balsemão, Francisco Pinto Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA
FRA Barré, Nicolas Managing Editor, Les Echos
INT Barroso, José M. Durão President, European Commission
FRA Baverez, Nicolas Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP
FRA Bavinchove, Olivier de Commander, Eurocorps
GBR Bell, John Regius Professor of Medicine, University of Oxford
ITA Bernabè, Franco Chairman and CEO, Telecom Italia S.p.A.
USA Bezos, Jeff Founder and CEO, Amazon.com
SWE Bildt, Carl Minister for Foreign Affairs
SWE Borg, Anders Minister for Finance
NLD Boxmeer, Jean François van Chairman of the Executive Board and CEO, Heineken N.V.
NOR Brandtzæg, Svein Richard President and CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA
AUT Bronner, Oscar Publisher, Der Standard Medienwelt
GBR Carrington, Peter Former Honorary Chairman, Bilderberg Meetings
ESP Cebrián, Juan Luis Executive Chairman, Grupo PRISA
CAN Clark, W. Edmund President and CEO, TD Bank Group
GBR Clarke, Kenneth Member of Parliament
DNK Corydon, Bjarne Minister of Finance
GBR Cowper-Coles, Sherard Business Development Director, International, BAE Systems plc
ITA Cucchiani, Enrico Tommaso CEO, Intesa Sanpaolo SpA
BEL Davignon, Etienne Minister of State; Former Chairman, Bilderberg Meetings
GBR Davis, Ian Senior Partner Emeritus, McKinsey & Company
NLD Dijkgraaf, Robbert H. Director and Leon Levy Professor, Institute for Advanced Study
TUR Dinçer, Haluk President, Retail and Insurance Group, Sabanci Holding A.S.
GBR Dudley, Robert Group Chief Executive, BP plc
USA Eberstadt, Nicholas N. Henry Wendt Chair in Political Economy, American Enterprise Institute
NOR Eide, Espen Barth Minister of Foreign Affairs
SWE Ekholm, Börje President and CEO, Investor AB
DEU Enders, Thomas CEO, EADS
USA Evans, J. Michael Vice Chairman, Goldman Sachs & Co.
DNK Federspiel, Ulrik Executive Vice President, Haldor Topsøe A/S
USA Feldstein, Martin S. Professor of Economics, Harvard University; President Emeritus, NBER
FRA Fillon, François Former Prime Minister
USA Fishman, Mark C. President, Novartis Institutes for BioMedical Research
GBR Flint, Douglas J. Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc
IRL Gallagher, Paul Senior Counsel
USA Geithner, Timothy F. Former Secretary of the Treasury
USA Gfoeller, Michael Political Consultant
USA Graham, Donald E. Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company
DEU Grillo, Ulrich CEO, Grillo-Werke AG
ITA Gruber, Lilli Journalist – Anchorwoman, La 7 TV
ESP Guindos, Luis de Minister of Economy and Competitiveness
GBR Gulliver, Stuart Group Chief Executive, HSBC Holdings plc
CHE Gutzwiller, Felix Member of the Swiss Council of States
NLD Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings
FIN Heinonen, Olli Senior Fellow, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs, Harvard Kennedy School of Government
GBR Henry, Simon CFO, Royal Dutch Shell plc
FRA Hermelin, Paul Chairman and CEO, Capgemini Group
ESP Isla, Pablo Chairman and CEO, Inditex Group
USA Jacobs, Kenneth M. Chairman and CEO, Lazard
USA Johnson, James A. Chairman, Johnson Capital Partners
CHE Jordan, Thomas J. Chairman of the Governing Board, Swiss National Bank
USA Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. Managing Director, Lazard Freres & Co. LLC
USA Kaplan, Robert D. Chief Geopolitical Analyst, Stratfor
USA Karp, Alex Founder and CEO, Palantir Technologies
GBR Kerr, John Independent Member, House of Lords
USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
USA Kleinfeld, Klaus Chairman and CEO, Alcoa
NLD Knot, Klaas H.W. President, De Nederlandsche Bank
TUR Koç, Mustafa V. Chairman, Koç Holding A.S.
DEU Koch, Roland CEO, Bilfinger SE
USA Kravis, Henry R. Co-Chairman and Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
USA Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow and Vice Chair, Hudson Institute
CHE Kudelski, André Chairman and CEO, Kudelski Group
GRC Kyriacopoulos, Ulysses Chairman, S&B Industrial Minerals S.A.
INT Lagarde, Christine Managing Director, International Monetary Fund
DEU Lauk, Kurt J. Chairman of the Economic Council to the CDU, Berlin
USA Lessig, Lawrence Roy L. Furman Professor of Law and Leadership, Harvard Law School; Director, Edmond J. Safra Center for Ethics, Harvard University
BEL Leysen, Thomas Chairman of the Board of Directors, KBC Group
DEU Lindner, Christian Party Leader, Free Democratic Party (FDP NRW)
SWE Löfven, Stefan Party Leader, Social Democratic Party (SAP)
DEU Löscher, Peter President and CEO, Siemens AG
GBR Mandelson, Peter Chairman, Global Counsel; Chairman, Lazard International
USA Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
CAN McKenna, Frank Chair, Brookfield Asset Management
GBR Micklethwait, John Editor-in-Chief, The Economist
FRA Montbrial, Thierry de President, French Institute for International Relations
ITA Monti, Mario Former Prime Minister
USA Mundie, Craig J. Senior Advisor to the CEO, Microsoft Corporation
ITA Nagel, Alberto CEO, Mediobanca
NLD Netherlands, H.R.H. Princess Beatrix of The
USA Ng, Andrew Y. Co-Founder, Coursera
FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell, plc
GBR Omand, David Visiting Professor, King’s College London
GBR Osborne, George Chancellor of the Exchequer
USA Ottolenghi, Emanuele Senior Fellow, Foundation for Defense of Democracies
TUR Özel, Soli Senior Lecturer, Kadir Has University; Columnist, Habertürk Newspaper
GRC Papahelas, Alexis Executive Editor, Kathimerini Newspaper
TUR Pavey, Safak Member of Parliament (CHP)
FRA Pécresse, Valérie Member of Parliament (UMP)
USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
USA Petraeus, David H. General, U.S. Army (Retired)
PRT Portas, Paulo Minister of State and Foreign Affairs
CAN Prichard, J. Robert S. Chair, Torys LLP
INT Reding, Viviane Vice President and Commissioner for Justice, Fundamental Rights and Citizenship, European Commission
CAN Reisman, Heather M. CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
FRA Rey, Hélène Professor of Economics, London Business School
GBR Robertson, Simon Partner, Robertson Robey Associates LLP; Deputy Chairman, HSBC Holdings
ITA Rocca, Gianfelice Chairman,Techint Group
POL Rostowski, Jacek Minister of Finance and Deputy Prime Minister
USA Rubin, Robert E. Co-Chairman, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury
NLD Rutte, Mark Prime Minister
AUT Schieder, Andreas State Secretary of Finance
USA Schmidt, Eric E. Executive Chairman, Google Inc.
AUT Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
PRT Seguro, António José Secretary General, Socialist Party
FRA Senard, Jean-Dominique CEO, Michelin Group
NOR Skogen Lund, Kristin Director General, Confederation of Norwegian Enterprise
USA Slaughter, Anne-Marie Bert G. Kerstetter ’66 University Professor of Politics and International Affairs, Princeton University
IRL Sutherland, Peter D. Chairman, Goldman Sachs International
GBR Taylor, Martin Former Chairman, Syngenta AG
INT Thiam, Tidjane Group CEO, Prudential plc
USA Thiel, Peter A. President, Thiel Capital
USA Thompson, Craig B. President and CEO, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center
DNK Topsøe, Jakob Haldor Partner, AMBROX Capital A/S
FIN Urpilainen, Jutta Minister of Finance
CHE Vasella, Daniel L. Honorary Chairman, Novartis AG
GBR Voser, Peter R. CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc
CAN Wall, Brad Premier of Saskatchewan
SWE Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB
USA Warsh, Kevin Distinguished Visiting Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University
CAN Weston, Galen G. Executive Chairman, Loblaw Companies Limited
GBR Williams of Crosby, Shirley Member, House of Lords
GBR Wolf, Martin H. Chief Economics Commentator, The Financial Times
USA Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman and CEO, Wolfensohn and Company
GBR Wright, David Vice Chairman, Barclays plc
INT Zoellick, Robert B. Distinguished Visiting Fellow, Peterson Institute for International Economics

A "conspiracy theory" that the collaborator media has recently had to admit isn't really theoretical :D

316'sRegen
11-06-13, 01:30 AM
Also, on the PRISM "conspiracy theory":

that term is so funny to use, it's the standard name given to something that we shouldn't talk about, or even know about. That label is designed to discredit and ridicule at the same time anyone who has discovered certain facts about the world we live in, anyway,

we've known for years that the "security" agencies have been spying on us but we should all thank the NSA agent (Snowden, who has fled to the safe haven of Hong Kong :confused:) that brought all this to light.

He said that this wasn't the USA he wanted to protect when he joined up, it was basically Orwell's 1984!
How the fuck Obama is still in office I'll never know.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqggW08BWO0

Blue Demon
22-08-13, 10:35 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fln1kbFL_LI

316'sRegen
25-08-13, 02:56 PM
Now I usually hate the things I put in here being called conspiracy theories as all the global government/illuminati/chemtrails/GMO/fractional reserve banking and so on that I usually talk about are not theories and are not really debateable at this point, they are facts.

HOWEVER,

This one's a cracker. I'm amazed I had not heard of this before now. I laughed initially at the idea, but the more I watched the more I got sucked in. Whilst it is all circumstantial and can probably be explained away, when Joel Gilbert takes you through the song titles and album cover art (mostly designed by Lennon) and when you see that auld witch on GMTV saying she has the evidence stored for protection in case she is harmed, it kind of makes you wonder.

Interesting either way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3-jhDw87Rk
THE LAST TESTAMENT OF GEORGE HARRISON

Fods
27-08-13, 02:05 AM
1 hour 37 :lol:

Blue Demon
28-08-13, 10:39 AM
Will defo find time to watch that Chris.

@ Fods & Co,

You know they say `time is money`. So when you dont have time, you must be spending too much. ;)

Blue Demon
29-08-13, 04:22 PM
Watched it. Freaky stuff. Gonna ask my parents wether they heard this before and recognise the voice on the tapes.

316'sRegen
30-08-13, 05:19 AM
Did ya see the interview at the end, I think it was with Harrison but it was about the awards and McCartney not turning up or something. The guy says "FAUL" about 3 or 4 times on the TV when being interviewed about it.

dryrain
30-08-13, 02:35 PM
What about the death of Barnaby Jack seems a little strange how he dies a week before he was going to give his demonstration about pace maker hacking. Still no news on cause of death.

Blue Demon
03-09-13, 06:20 AM
Did ya see the interview at the end, I think it was with Harrison but it was about the awards and McCartney not turning up or something. The guy says "FAUL" about 3 or 4 times on the TV when being interviewed about it.

Yeah I did see that. It`s all suspicious to say the least. Talked to my parents about it also, but I got the usual response that anyone gives ya when they hear something to crazy to be true. :)

Blue Demon
03-09-13, 06:22 AM
What about the death of Barnaby Jack seems a little strange how he dies a week before he was going to give his demonstration about pace maker hacking. Still no news on cause of death.

Another case huh ? Hadnt picked up on this yet, where did you see/hear about this ?

dryrain
06-09-13, 04:47 PM
It was all over the press in england. I will dig out the links and post them later.

Fods
07-09-13, 12:30 AM
10 Reasons the Moon Landings Could Be a Hoax (http://amazingbeautifulworld.com/science/10-reasons-the-moon-landings-could-be-a-hoax/?uid=30)

ZanSnake
07-09-13, 04:33 AM
Belief is the security of most peoples beliefs of human existence, but the standards marked by religion shouldn't interact within the realm of extremism. The freedom of though, and belief is to my own belief of free will, therefore condemnation is to those who want to not to believe, and etc. I feel that most eccentricity is down to the the strength of mixing belief withing religion to politics which causes some too assumptions which causes chaos. If free will comes down to the chooser then it is to the chooser to believe therefor the mixture of politics to religion is the boundary to the arrogance/ignorance in which human democracy has to though, though either way, we are all doomed by the foundations that have built us, and instead of re-imaging we want to change which won't till the prospect of individualism is fully consumed as nature of life, till then we are consumed by the same circle till the social evolution comes that expliont.

Whatever opinions differs to others and some don't, that itself chooses the freedom of 'free will'.

Fods
07-09-13, 07:21 AM
http://disjointedthinking.jeffhughes.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/against_free_will_god_angel.jpg

ZanSnake
07-09-13, 04:15 PM
Lol a drunken rant or what?

:lol:

Blue Demon
16-09-13, 02:28 PM
... about time there was another shooting in the US, after all the gun bill is pending ...

dryrain
22-09-13, 10:30 AM
Here is a new one apple offering fingerprint recognition on the new iphones and then allowing data to be collected by NSA

316'sRegen
22-09-13, 11:40 AM
Every mobile phone since the late 90's is legally required to "allow" data collection.

Blue Demon
23-09-13, 07:29 AM
I`m happy to have a phone with a removable battery. :D

Blue Demon
26-09-13, 09:56 AM
houses in London earn more per day than the average worker in the city

Bubble, anyone ?

316'sRegen
26-09-13, 06:05 PM
the real bubble is the bond markets.
that will be funny to see when it "pops"

probs
30-09-13, 01:31 PM
The clip posted by Antislavesboy who claims that woolwich attack was fabricated by the media was overthrown by this user. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhtV7qkuNnk

316'sRegen
04-10-13, 12:29 AM
The clip posted by Antislavesboy who claims that woolwich attack was fabricated by the media was overthrown by this user. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhtV7qkuNnk

HEYHEY! Good old PJW

Paul Joseph Watson!

Blue Demon
04-10-13, 06:37 AM
Cant watch the vid.

bhnow
05-10-13, 04:03 PM
Harold Holt.
Australian Prime Minister in 1967, went swimming and was never seen again.

Did he drown?
Did he commit suicide?
Was he murdered?
Was he kidnapped by a Japanese submarine?

:D

Blue Demon
09-10-13, 12:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_FvmrvREUA


Errrr, you were meant to say `chemical weapon`, not `napalm`.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNFfceAwZsM

Blue Demon
28-11-13, 11:13 AM
Long time no see guys. This one is especially for Foddy and the other ozzies:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XOZKUQZ9n8

Fods
01-12-13, 02:56 AM
Saw 48min video and closed thread

316'sRegen
01-12-13, 02:39 PM
closed which thread?

Mark
02-12-13, 10:53 AM
I think he just means he isn't watching a 48 minute video... No thread was actually closed as in being unable to post in it.

Fods
02-12-13, 10:56 AM
http://i.imgur.com/XhCUb.gif

Dermotron
02-12-13, 04:23 PM
Ah jaysus

http://truthernews.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/fast-and-furious-star-paul-walker-assassinated-by-obama-drone-strike/

Blue Demon
04-12-13, 07:19 PM
Ah jaysus

http://truthernews.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/fast-and-furious-star-paul-walker-assassinated-by-obama-drone-strike/

Hadnt heard that before, and I watch a LOT of alternative media.

Propaganda ?

316'sRegen
11-12-13, 12:13 PM
http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/italian-riot-police-remove-helmets-join-anti-eu-protesters/

the beginning of the end?

italians been rioting for months (unreported by MSM) and the riot police have finally decided to stop fighting them.

could this be the start of the people taking back their power and their rights?
probably not but an interesting story nonetheless.

316'sRegen
11-12-13, 12:18 PM
Hadnt heard that before, and I watch a LOT of alternative media.

Propaganda ?

drone strike is an idiotic story, however Mr Hasting's story (http://deadlinelive.info/2013/06/20/car-bomb-used-on-investigative-reporter-michael-hastings/)seems to have a similar ending.

Was this fast and furious guy about to reveal any secrets though? Was he even "awake"?

Or was he whoring around in a high performance sports car? :lol:

The Hastings guy was definitely killed, not sure about the actor.

Craig Forrest
11-12-13, 05:28 PM
Ah jaysus

http://truthernews.wordpress.com/2013/12/01/fast-and-furious-star-paul-walker-assassinated-by-obama-drone-strike/

Man I just read some of the articles on that site and now my brain hurts from absorbing too much stupidity..... ugh......


drone strike is an idiotic story, however Mr Hasting's story (http://deadlinelive.info/2013/06/20/car-bomb-used-on-investigative-reporter-michael-hastings/)seems to have a similar ending.

Was this fast and furious guy about to reveal any secrets though? Was he even "awake"?

Or was he whoring around in a high performance sports car? :lol:

The Hastings guy was definitely killed, not sure about the actor.

He was whoring around in a fragile, difficult to handle, high performance sports car.... and doing way way way over the speed limit.... when you work with cops (like me), you sometimes get to see the results of high speed collisions... this is nothing out of the ordinary in terms of damage and destruction.... it's pretty typical.... also, those cars are designed to disentigrate on impact in order to absorb as much of the force of impact as possible

Blue Demon
11-12-13, 07:45 PM
Man I just read some of the articles on that site and now my brain hurts from absorbing too much stupidity..... ugh......



He was whoring around in a fragile, difficult to handle, high performance sports car.... and doing way way way over the speed limit.... when you work with cops (like me), you sometimes get to see the results of high speed collisions... this is nothing out of the ordinary in terms of damage and destruction.... it's pretty typical.... also, those cars are designed to disentigrate on impact in order to absorb as much of the force of impact as possible

Oh my.

Craig Forrest
11-12-13, 08:04 PM
I hope your "oh my" comment isn't suggesting that I'm some non-thinking, unaware sheep and that Paul Walker was actually killed in a drone strike.....

Craig Forrest
12-12-13, 03:09 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y76AsCIagDQ

Blue Demon
15-12-13, 08:55 AM
For every conspiracy nut you find, I can find you a 100 people that believe the government is there to help them. I guess for some time will have to tell.

Dermotron
17-10-14, 04:20 PM
Ebola - http://www.theeventchronicle.com/ebola/ghana-ebola-real-people-gotten-sick-got-shots-red-cross/

Jesus
17-10-14, 04:22 PM
Do you think that Chris_3_16 got kidknapped by aliens?... I wonder where he got to.

Craig Forrest
17-10-14, 04:44 PM
No.... he got pissed off at me making fun of some of his more outlandish theories and said that the site had gone downhill and he didn't want to be a part of it anymore..... I tried to apologize if I'd offended him personally rather than picking holes in the theories he was spouting but he either didn't get it or didn't care by that point.....

Too bad, I liked the guy....

Bevchenko
18-10-14, 11:11 AM
Doesn't do it for me but good read none the less Dermo!


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Dermotron
18-10-14, 03:14 PM
The Boko Harem bit is interesting now that the girls are been released on Tuesday.

Blue Demon
22-10-14, 06:38 AM
Like the sign says, there are no girls. :)

Fods
14-01-15, 05:14 AM
Uncensored Footage of Paris Terror Attack Raises Serious Questions

http://theantimedia.org/uncensored-footage-of-paris-terror-attack-raises-serious-questions/

Rapinoe
14-01-15, 05:44 AM
I don't believe anything. Does that make me a conspiracy nut, too?

faz44
16-01-15, 10:42 PM
Me too. I'm terribly cynical. And a racist, because I made anti-French comments on a friend's post on Facebook.

Craig Forrest
17-01-15, 05:37 PM
It's not racism if you hate everyone equally :ok:

faz44
17-01-15, 11:43 PM
I don't hate everybody equally. They used this tragedy to hastily pass anti-Muslim legislation, which should be no surprise because France is institutionally Islamophobic unless you're a maverick footballer than can win them the World Cup. They're limiting freedom of expression and the right to free assembly and peaceful protest after a peaceful, free speech protest because the French government is institutionally hypocritical. They're arseholes and we warred with them on-and-off for 800 years until the Germans got their act together and we were forced into cordial relations. However, pointing the last point out makes me a racist.

colml
28-01-15, 05:02 PM
Cristiano Ronaldo gets a 2 match ban for a kick and a slap. Discuss.

cliff
28-01-15, 06:53 PM
The refree only saw the kick and he didn't consider it as an agression in the match report. Spanish discipline comitee don't allow videos to decide bans, they can only act based in match report, so there's no agression for them.

Yes, football here is crap.

Bevchenko
11-02-15, 03:38 AM
http://www.theeventchronicle.com/911/putin-threatens-release-satellite-evidence-911/

Fods
11-02-15, 08:24 AM
What are the satellite images going to show tho?

Erkifino
11-02-15, 09:41 AM
" “special weapons” "

Dermotron
15-05-17, 06:45 PM
Avril Lavigne is dead since 2003, ok then

https://twitter.com/givenchyass/status/863222658766450693

Craig Forrest
15-05-17, 07:08 PM
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/conspiracy-theorists-may-really-just-be-lonely/

Dermotron
15-05-17, 07:13 PM
Lonely or too much/any time to think things through?

Dermotron
15-05-17, 07:14 PM
Post #81 in this thread is a conspiracy in its own :lol:

Craig Forrest
15-05-17, 07:27 PM
http://www.theeventchronicle.com/911/putin-threatens-release-satellite-evidence-911/

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9-11