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316'sRegen
18-01-17, 11:48 PM
Anyone heard about this one?

Named after the late great Nelson Mandela, this is when people remember a different event than is recorded in the history books. In the example of Nel Mandel people remember him dying in 1991 in jail and there's textbooks that say the same apparently :confused:


other examples are the logos of well known brands changing, like Ford and VW, i thought brands update their logos all the time but seen someone who claimed to be restoring a 1940's ford and tve "newer" version of tge logo was stamped into tge engine block.


alternate timelines, change in human consciousness, evidence for simulation theory a few theories on the reason the effect is being noticed at this time.


Anyone experienced it? I don't remember Nelson dying in 1991. :noidea:

Mark
19-01-17, 10:58 AM
I've just had to Google the subject to find out a bit more about what this meant as I have no idea what you're on about :D

I got this:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/christopherhudspeth/crazy-examples-of-the-mandela-effect-that-will-make-you-ques

Some of those certainly could have fooled me. The Queen lyrics and the Star Wars quote from Darth Vader for definite! :confused:

Craig Forrest
19-01-17, 05:17 PM
http://mashable.com/2016/12/23/sinbad-shazam-kazam-shaq/#UcrVTRCC5sqd

316'sRegen
19-01-17, 05:41 PM
I've just had to Google the subject to find out a bit more about what this meant as I have no idea what you're on about :D

I got this:

https://www.buzzfeed.com/christopherhudspeth/crazy-examples-of-the-mandela-effect-that-will-make-you-ques

Some of those certainly could have fooled me. The Queen lyrics and the Star Wars quote from Darth Vader for definite! :confused:

The Queen one is a new one to me but many drunken nights that song was played, many cup finals, karaokes etc. "We are the champions....... OF The Woooooooooooooooooorld!" is how the song ends, right? That's how i remember it. Remember singing it that way, remember 100% the song blaring that bit back, i must check it out on spotify

I actually collect Monopoly sets, the guy's monacle was never there? Na, that's just wrong. I remember in ace ventura: when nature calls there was even a joke Carey does about a monacled dude, referencing monopoly! The monacle was the wee man's trademark feature.

I kind of posted this thinking someone could explain it or offer something even plausible as an explanation but you've just gave me 2 new ones! :lol:

316'sRegen
19-01-17, 06:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY&list=RD04854XqcfCY

That's not the right ending (2:55)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj1wcs7SZj0

not definitive proof but why give the guy a monacle, costumes etc are specifically designed for movies. If the monop guy never had a monacle at any time in history, why include one in the character?

https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FgGrM p5VU3Fo%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&sp=3d9542b0f083e6eb9a2f9226f55e1622


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6fOdq9nugs

CMCZ
19-01-17, 07:53 PM
Once you hear about the Mandela effect it sounds amazing, but most of it is easy to declare.

One of the most 'proven ones' is the famous line 'Life was a like a box of chocolates my momma always said' (from Forest Gump). Most people (including me) tought it was 'Life is like a box of chocolates.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJh59vZ8ccc

But it is just one of these 'once you hear it, you can unhear it'-situations. Because of the accent of Tom Hanks the words was and is are very close to eachother and it's hard to hear the difference. Also 'is' instead makes more sense to the human mind, why the hell would she say 'was', so the mind thinks the word logically is 'is'

Same is with 'No, I'm your father' instead of 'Luke, I'm your father'. As 'Luke, I'm your father' is more of a great quote this one stays more in the memory.


-Queen song: The 'of the wooooorld' is real, but just not in the original version
-Can't remember Nelson died before a few years ago, can't remember monopoly guy without a mustache.

316'sRegen
19-01-17, 08:35 PM
I'll agree to all of that except the monopoly guy :yo:
the monacle was the thing in question and I remember it for sure, I've collected these things for 15 years

The Tom Hanks quote, grammatically correctly spoken would be the word "was"
He's telling what his mamma used to say so when describing the past tense to the lady on the bench "was" would be correct (and script writers will usually obey these rules)

CMCZ
19-01-17, 08:42 PM
I'll agree to all of that except the monopoly guy :yo:
the monacle was the thing in question and I remember it for sure, I've collected these things for 15 years


To me 2 things I'm pretty sure about is the VW-logo (which definitely had the V connected to the W without the space) and absolute sure 'Revelation' used to be 'Revelations' in the bible. (also in Dutch)

316'sRegen
19-01-17, 11:00 PM
I've rationalised most of them but i can't shake the monopoly man, or Uncle Pennybags to give him his proper name.

This also bothers me: http://www.muscularmustangs.com/database2/fordlogo.php

Redknapp69
19-01-17, 11:12 PM
Queen "We are the champions" had me - not really mch for the rest

316'sRegen
19-01-17, 11:21 PM
My rationale for that one was that usually if the full song is played the whole room is drunk, or celebrating. Everyone sings along and sings the last part (that doesn't exist and was never there in the first place). Maybe we even think the DJ muted it to let everyone get their shit in at the end. Then we collectively mis-remember it in the euphoria of enjoying it.

:confused: convoluted but plausible :lol:

kengandhi
20-01-17, 09:09 AM
Think the Mandela Effect is an odd name for this. How anyone can think he died in 1991 is a mystery to me. Him being freed was one of the most iconic moments in recent history and his death, just 4 years ago, was a huge event. The Mandela effect described, pertaining to history, is just ignorance nothing more.

Popular, mass misremembering of film quotes is a different thing entirely and very common due to how they are repeated via TV and word of mouth.

Take Field of Dreams most famous line "if you build it, they will come" ...... it's "he" not "they". Or Get Carter..... "You're a big man but in bad shape"..... it's actually "out of shape"

Felix
20-01-17, 09:39 AM
This one will be hard to explain but sure.

Probably one of the most famous quotes in Swedish sports history is from the game between England and Cameroon in 1990. At least thats popular belief. Cameroon is losing and the TV cameras show their bench and the players are looking bit unhappy of course. The commentator then says "Things are looking dark at Cameroon's substitute bench", just meaning that they aren't looking very happy. Later on the quote got famous because it seemed slightly inappropriate.

Some year ago or so, a guy at Swedens biggest internet forum created a thread where he wondered why there is no audio of this on the internet when it is so famous. Then people started to drop in and saying that "Oh, I remember seeing that so well. Really cracking and we got a good laugh". Some others claimed that "No no, that quote was in fact in a Nigeria game in 1994, I remember exactly in which apartment I watched it and with whom". Turned out different people were (independently from each other) completely sure that they have watched different games with that quote.

So the research began. Many people seem to have taken part in re-viewing the games and pretty fast they could dismiss the Cameroon v. England game. The quote is not there. Neither in another of Cameroon's games in that championship. Soon enough people had watched basically every single game with an african team in WC 1986-1994, watched the Word cup reviews from those years and so on. The quote? Nowhere! They found however some quotes that slightly could be mistaken for the famous one, but not exactly near it.

TL;DR: the probably most famous sports quote in Sweden, that very many people are sure that they watched live, have turned out to me likely to never have happened.

316'sRegen
20-01-17, 07:34 PM
Think the Mandela Effect is an odd name for this. How anyone can think he died in 1991 is a mystery to me. Him being freed was one of the most iconic moments in recent history and his death, just 4 years ago, was a huge event. The Mandela effect described, pertaining to history, is just ignorance nothing more.

Popular, mass misremembering of film quotes is a different thing entirely and very common due to how they are repeated via TV and word of mouth.

Take Field of Dreams most famous line "if you build it, they will come" ...... it's "he" not "they". Or Get Carter..... "You're a big man but in bad shape"..... it's actually "out of shape"

It's called that because when he died in 2013 this was the first time the effect was seen/discovered. The people don't remember just the fact that Nel died, they remember being taught about it in school, they remember details of the funeral on TV and Winnie giving a heartfelt speech. The people even call it "a different timeline" but they will all say just as insistantly as yourself that they don't know how we can;t remember what they do :lol: It's named after him because he was the first example of the effect.

I agree with the movie things, they are mis-remembered, also I would say conflated ("If you book them they will come" from Wayne's World probably bleeds into Field of Dreams)
The Forrest Gump one annoys me because the quote is his mothers, not his so it's pretty basic (GCSE) English.

There's a video I watched with many many examples where The Simpsons did knock offs of movie scenes, we've all seen loads of them but in every example they showed the Simpsons would make such little tweaks to the quotes, which invariably are the mis-remembered versions. Now how long have the re-runs of The Simpsons been on, 25 years? So they have tainted the actual memory.

But what about the FORD logo? No one has commented on that but there are lifelong Ford heads that say the F is wrong, I agree with them as well.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a0/Ford_Motor_Company_Logo.svg/304px-Ford_Motor_Company_Logo.svg.png

I will not accept Rich Uncle Pennybags though

colml
20-01-17, 07:51 PM
Forrest wasn't actually quoting his mother but paraphrasing her, which I think adds to the confusion. Can't say I've ever noticed the Ford one, I was certain that We Are The Champions ends differently though.

316'sRegen
20-01-17, 08:04 PM
"My mamma always said that life was like a box of chocolates" <--- it's just past tense, that's all.

It is also confusing that on the box of the movie the quote is the one direct from mamma:
"Life is like a box of chocolates, you never....."

Possibility of conflation again because of that. It seems the movie ones are a lot of the times band wagonners trying to be the first to find these, I find the logo ones more convincing.

Do you remember the Ford logo as the image in the last post mate?
I don't remember the curly stroke on the F ever being there.

Craig Forrest
20-01-17, 09:47 PM
Memory is such a fucked up thing..... and it changes with time, interactions, and experience

I remember watching a show where they took about 20 volunteers on a hike through a wooded area.... at one point the walked past a heavily treed area that was cordoned off with police tape, and a guy in a blue "police-type" shirt standing there.... the volunteers couldn't really see anything past the guy and they kept walking.

They interviewed the volunteers about it 8 months after the fact, and all of them had different recollections of the event.... some were sure that there was some kind of crime scene with multiple cops .... some were absolutely sure that they had scene wreckage, perhaps of a small plane.... two people were 100% positive that it was something to do with aliens.... none of the people said "it was some yellow tape around an area that was difficult to see with one guy in a blue shirt"... their memories had adjusted for things they'd imagined, discussions they'd had with friends and family, stuff they'd seen on TV or read in the news..... it was really interesting

Mark
20-01-17, 09:58 PM
The Ford logo looks pretty normal to me?

316'sRegen
20-01-17, 11:37 PM
idont remember seeing the pigtail part on the stroke of the F.

when you look at it from further away it does knd of disappear but i find it odd that at some point in my life i didnt see a larger version of the logo. wasnt super sunday sponsored by ford? surely their logo fills the screen at several points in that?

kengandhi
20-01-17, 11:48 PM
The Ford logo looks pretty normal to me?
Me too, and I still don't understand the Mandela link.

This is just stupid people being wrong and deciding it must be a conspiracy, no?

316'sRegen
21-01-17, 12:02 AM
:lol:

do you know what conspiracy means?


of course there are crazy theories of tge cause of the mandela effect. The CERN facility has fractured 'the veil' between universes and ofher timelines are being spliced with ours, theres a photo of one of tge scientists wuth a big mandela poster hooked round his neck.


theres one off 4chan where a user clamed to be a scientist working in an alternate dimension, altering our reality for our own good.


lots of theories.




but what i find interesting about it is that large numbers of people have the same alternate versions of history in their memories. are they all stupid?

kengandhi
21-01-17, 12:16 AM
[emoji38]

do you know what conspiracy means?


of course there are crazy theories of tge cause of the mandela effect. The CERN facility has fractured 'the veil' between universes and ofher timelines are being spliced with ours, theres a photo of one of tge scientists wuth a big mandela poster hooked round his neck.


theres one off 4chan where a user clamed to be a scientist working in an alternate dimension, altering our reality for our own good.


lots of theories.




but what i find interesting about it is that large numbers of people have the same alternate versions of history in their memories. are they all stupid?
Yes. Very much so.

In general I find that half the people in the world have below average intelligence. This handful of people are almost certainly in the lower percentiles.

316'sRegen
21-01-17, 12:32 AM
IQ has been tested and measured.

like all traits, it follows a bell curve pattern but varies between races.


even if all these people are mis remembering, i would say if you got them all and tested their IQ you would probably get a strikingly similar bell curve to the first one :ok:

kengandhi
21-01-17, 12:41 AM
IQ has been tested and measured.

like all traits, it follows a bell curve pattern but varies between races.


even if all these people are mis remembering, i would say if you got them all and tested their IQ you would probably get a strikingly similar bell curve to the first one :ok:
I find it remarkable that a serious piece of analysis would be done on such a strange subset of the population. I'd love to see the data. It sounds very interesting.

Felix
21-01-17, 12:45 AM
Memory is such a fucked up thing..... and it changes with time, interactions, and experience

I remember watching a show where they took about 20 volunteers on a hike through a wooded area.... at one point the walked past a heavily treed area that was cordoned off with police tape, and a guy in a blue "police-type" shirt standing there.... the volunteers couldn't really see anything past the guy and they kept walking.

They interviewed the volunteers about it 8 months after the fact, and all of them had different recollections of the event.... some were sure that there was some kind of crime scene with multiple cops .... some were absolutely sure that they had scene wreckage, perhaps of a small plane.... two people were 100% positive that it was something to do with aliens.... none of the people said "it was some yellow tape around an area that was difficult to see with one guy in a blue shirt"... their memories had adjusted for things they'd imagined, discussions they'd had with friends and family, stuff they'd seen on TV or read in the news..... it was really interesting

Reminds me of a lecturer I saw two years ago. They had taken a bunch of college students and asked them a lot of questions, one of which were "have you ever flown in a hot air balloon?". Of those who said no, the researchers contacted their families and got photos of them at young age, then edited them into a picture of a hot air balloon trip. Then again they confronted the students with the photos and asked them why they said they have never flown like that, when they obviously have.

What's interesting isn't that many of the students changed their mind and said that yes, they now remember flying in a hot air balloon, but that many of them also could describe from where the trip took place, who was onboard and so on... And they don't had ant intention of lying, but when they saw the picture and were told that it happened, they actually believed that it did and started to recall false memories from the event.

316'sRegen
21-01-17, 12:45 AM
Excellent, i await the funding to pursue the research :nerd:

CMCZ
21-01-17, 06:52 PM
In general I find that half the people in the world have below average intelligence.

:amen:

London35
21-01-17, 07:33 PM
Yes. Very much so.

In general I find that half the people in the world have below average intelligence. This handful of people are almost certainly in the lower percentiles.


hmm its not in general...its a fact.....its how averages work...

half the people HAVE to be below average intelligence!...thats how you get the average!

I think your statement puts you in that bottom half!

AMC
21-01-17, 07:40 PM
Technically not true the medium number would mean 50% below and 50% above.

For example 5, 5, 10, 15, 20 the average would be 11, whereas the medium would be 10, i.e. The middle number when arranged in order.

316'sRegen
21-01-17, 07:54 PM
as i said earlier ut would be a bell curve for IQ, probably closer to a quarter of tge sample woukd be "below average" (mean average)

kengandhi
21-01-17, 07:57 PM
hmm its not in general...its a fact.....its how averages work...

half the people HAVE to be below average intelligence!...thats how you get the average!

I think your statement puts you in that bottom half!
That's the joke.

London35
21-01-17, 08:02 PM
That's the joke.

course it was...
:whistle:

316'sRegen
21-01-17, 08:03 PM
but memory is bugger all to do with IQ so we arent even talking the same fopic.

well a few were before, the balloon trip one reminded me of derren brown implanting false memories in people

London35
21-01-17, 08:08 PM
but memory is bugger all to do with IQ

hmm not quite true...

Evidence suggests People with high IQs generally tend to have good long-term memory (i.e. they can demonstrate impressive general knowledge and powers of recall), but not all people with good long-term memories have high IQs.

example would be autistic savants, some of whom can perform almost superhuman feats of memorization and recall, but who do not score very highly on conventional IQ tests.

CMCZ
21-01-17, 08:16 PM
but memory is bugger all to do with IQ so we arent even talking the same fopic.

well a few were before, the balloon trip one reminded me of derren brown implanting false memories in people


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PB2OegI6wvI

316'sRegen
21-01-17, 08:17 PM
what i mean is how as cf says it isnt as fixed as we like to think. memory can be manipulated and even deleted or overwritten if you know how.i dont mean the abilities of the memory etc but more how a lot of if is kind of "filled in" by outside and internal influences.

i was trying to :focus: :lol:

kengandhi
21-01-17, 08:37 PM
course it was...
:whistle:
It's a very common joke in my profession. Not particularly funny, but common nonetheless.

And I like how I'm the one being labelled as "below average intelligence" when credence, without any sources, is being given to a small number of people who think Nelson Mandela died in prison in 1991.

Film quotes and song lyrics are one thing and understandable, but not knowing a major world leader is alive, one who was regularly on the news and at major sporting events is not the behaviour of an intelligent person with a basic interest in current affairs.



My questions, given the lack of facts, are; How many people are affected by this "phenomenom"? How manybof them believe the "alternate timeline" explanation? Where are these textbooks you mention? What are their demographics? What are the sources? Who did the IQ tests?

316'sRegen
21-01-17, 09:11 PM
It's a very common joke in my profession. Not particularly funny, but common nonetheless.

And I like how I'm the one being labelled as "below average intelligence" when credence, without any sources, is being given to a small number of people who think Nelson Mandela died in prison in 1991.

Film quotes and song lyrics are one thing and understandable, but not knowing a major world leader is alive, one who was regularly on the news and at major sporting events is not the behaviour of an intelligent person with a basic interest in current affairs.



My questions, given the lack of facts, are; How many people are affected by this "phenomenom"? How manybof them believe the "alternate timeline" explanation? Where are these textbooks you mention? What are their demographics? What are the sources? Who did the IQ tests?

https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country
theyve been doing iq tests for years to test average iq of nations, what do you mean who did them?

No one claimed mandela actually died, the efect is remembering it wrong. I don't know how many people it affects but it's something to talk about, doesn't make all the people involved daft either in my opinion. I don't remember him dying but like you say i would watch news, he was on at least once or twice a year.

The alternate timelines etc are fun to watch stuff about, a lot of the videos are gluebags in fairness. :lol:

It's like you're offended at the stupidity of looking at something and talking about it.._

kengandhi
22-01-17, 01:02 AM
https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country
theyve been doing iq tests for years to test average iq of nations, what do you mean who did them?

No one claimed mandela actually died, the efect is remembering it wrong. I don't know how many people it affects but it's something to talk about, doesn't make all the people involved daft either in my opinion. I don't remember him dying but like you say i would watch news, he was on at least once or twice a year.

The alternate timelines etc are fun to watch stuff about, a lot of the videos are gluebags in fairness. [emoji38]

It's like you're offended at the stupidity of looking at something and talking about it.._

I just don't like giving credence to nutjob theories. I think discussing them legitimizes them as potentially rational whereas the onus should be on the person making the claims to provide evidence that makes them worthy of discussion.

To me there are two different phenomena in this thread. Firstly, confabulation which is a genuinely fascinating thing. The field of dreams/waynes world example you mention is spot on. Also Craig Forrests post. This is something we all experience.

The second is the actual mandela effect. This is cuckoo bananas.

We all experience confabulation. You mention the Ford logo as being pertinent to you, for me I'd have sworn blind it was the Berenstein bears not Berenstain. But...rational, intelligent human beings accept the evidence and admit they were wrong. The people, the Mandela Effect believers, cannot accept the truth and assume it must be something supernatural or time travel based.... it's a crazy jump akin to those that believe in alien abductions.

316'sRegen
22-01-17, 08:54 AM
whether supernatural or not you are agreeing that the effect exists and you have noticd one that you remembered differently.

whatever the cause its a good discussion, its something to talk about.
you think its crazy and ridiculous "nutjob" theories, but multiverse theory is part of M theory or string tgeory, are the top physicists on the planet "nutjobs"? They came up with multiverse long before this phenomenon was noticed.


So you disagree with what some people say, that par is spot on but what makes you thnk you can declare a topic stupid and shut down a cnversation on it because you dont approve of people talking about it? :lol:


im not even argung for any of the outlandish theories im just saying you or i or any of us cannot yet disprove extra dimensions or multiverse, stop thinkng you know everything, none of us do. Even though you mght think its shite, sayng no one should talk about things is absolutely disgusting to me. Very closed mnded approach but thats just my opinion, i enjoy discussing things and i just found this one. I dont actually enjoy football so much anymore but i wont be hitting the football thread to telleveryone theyre wasting their time watching sports etc.

kengandhi
22-01-17, 09:31 AM
Top scientists and physicists working on string theory, submitti ng research to peer review is a world away from someone deciding they must come from a paralell universe because they've misremembered something.

Fods
22-01-17, 09:54 AM
Create a thread for debate

Await replies

Disagree with everyone's replies

What's the point?

316'sRegen
22-01-17, 12:13 PM
Create a thread for debate

Await replies

Disagree with everyone's replies

What's the point?

didn't create the thread for debate that's what it says, it's a disussion, there's no proposition here.

if you read the whole thread i've just heard about this and was sharing it here. Looking at different examples and trying to explain the plausible reasons for them.

what i'm saying is dismissing anything offhand because you're too smart for it is ultimately foolish. saying anyone that looks at a topic is an idiot for doing so was the disagreement.

MrFoo
22-01-17, 03:30 PM
Even Freddie fell for the Mandela Effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPKlrRwJB8A

Fods
22-01-17, 11:15 PM
didn't create the thread for debate that's what it says, it's a disussion, there's no proposition here.

if you read the whole thread i've just heard about this and was sharing it here. Looking at different examples and trying to explain the plausible reasons for them.

what i'm saying is dismissing anything offhand because you're too smart for it is ultimately foolish. saying anyone that looks at a topic is an idiot for doing so was the disagreement.

Debate/discussion, same thing on an open forum.

I have read the whole thread of course, despite what you think I don't just post to get a rise from you :ok: Its probably more your belittling replies to peoples posts that I don't understand.

On topic, aside from the word changes in some of the quotes I don't recollect any of the others that have been mentioned :noidea:

316'sRegen
22-01-17, 11:45 PM
Ford, Queen, i reckon most of the movies ones are covered in the simpsons mentioned earlier.

I didn't start with the belittling, i responded.

do you find this an interesting topic or is it stupid to share it here and get a discussion going about something?

Fods
22-01-17, 11:50 PM
maybe its the :lol: reply you post when you are replying to someone posts, I don't know. I think you'd would be a nightmare to talk to in a pub after a few beers.

I never said it was stupid, to me its mildly interesting. I can relate to some of it as I said but the rest I think is bull shit :ok:

ebfatz
25-01-17, 10:21 PM
I'm obviously reading this thread too much as this just came up as one of the ads down the side of my Facebook!!

http://www.trueactivist.com/millions-swore-to-have-these-memories-that-never-existed-gallery/?utm_source=FB&utm_campaign=44-MandelaEffect_v1_FB&utm_medium=CPC_44

Mark
26-01-17, 11:32 AM
:lol: That's brilliant!

Some of those were covered in the link I shared earlier but there are some new ones in there. I always knew the correct spelling for Looney Tunes and Cruella De Vil :D

Dermotron
26-01-17, 11:35 AM
Moneybags has no monocle :faint:

316'sRegen
16-02-17, 01:48 PM
On my Friday beverage stream this weekend I'm having my south African buddy as a guest to ask him what his uncle nelson has done. He has a lot to answer for. Should be good craic when the beers are flowing :lol:

Dermotron
18-02-17, 11:48 AM
After watching the Wizard of Oz about 1000 times I would have bet everything on the Witch saying "fly my pretties" to the flying monkeys when she sends them to the haunted forest

Erkifino
10-04-17, 09:58 PM
It should be the Jim Carey effect.
Monopoly guy.... Luke, I am your father... Hello Clarice.

etc

316'sRegen
11-04-17, 10:29 AM
There's a guy 'moneybags73' on youtube who puts vids up about it but every day he has a new one and the last about 20 or so are just basically his inability to spell. :lol:

I think there's something to the abstract idea of multiverse/timelines but mostly watch the vids now for entertainment, definitely the moneybags73 ones anyway