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    Was nice to see the peleton slow up to allow the guys affected to catch back up though, sportsmanship isnt dead after all

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    Frank Schleck failed a test now - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/18880417

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    Nice day for the Brits, what a brilliant way to finish up, a Cavendish stage win and a 1-2 in the overall standings, can't really get any better can it? Oh and if Wiggins doesn't win SPOTY it'll be a travesty!

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    The first time I have really being proud to be British, true Sports stars finally getting success. Brilliant day. It's also nice to see Cycling finally getting press coverage over here, would of been a travesty if it hadn't after Wiggo winning

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    Congrats to Wiggo!
    Last edited by LR; 22-07-12 at 09:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baz View Post
    Oh and if Wiggins doesn't win SPOTY it'll be a travesty!
    Dead cert already.
    Someone at the Olympics will have to win about 4 Gold's to even come close to touching him!

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    Tour is over and now the fallout.

    Froome wants to be team leader next year and the team around him at next years tour, Wiggo has a defence to mount next year too. Cavendish is unhappy at the lack of sprint opportunities his team set up for him and is considering leaving Sky. Sky have come out and said the door is open to him to go.

    Having a team with so many strong riders both in GC and sprints was always gonna be tough to keep both parties happy, but letting Cavendish go would be a massive mistake, he brings so much exposure through winning so many stages. He could rescue a poor Tour for any team.

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    I would love to see Froome and Cav move. The best Tour would have a top 10 GC with 10 different teams. Imagine Wiggo, Froome, Contador, Schleck, Nibali, van Garderen, Evans, vd Broeck all battling next year, would be awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BeezerCeltic1967 View Post
    the best schleck is out of the race,
    contador is not in it. [cheating little fucker]
    Contador is not a cheat. 0,0000000000000000000005 fucking gram of clenbuterol. It can only be contamination.

    Sky however with Geert Leinders as doctor are very suspect imho. Leinders was ex-Rabobank until 2009. He worked with them in the onimous Rasmussen/Thomas Dekker era (both cheaters). Then after that debacle Rabobank changed their internal rules and suddenly Leinders decided to leave because he didn't agree with the new management.

    Sky, when they started. Initially had a lot of big talk but failed to deliver in the big races. The Tour 2010 was a major disappointed with Wiggins dropping on every mountain and the rest of the races could have gone better too. So in 2011 they had to change... and guess what, Geert Leinders joined as team doctor. Then the Vuelta 2011 came. Where 'nobody' Chris Froome, who as previous best was struggling to hit top 30 in World Tour races as Romandie, and who had previously never finished top 20 in any big mountain stage or time trial in ANY World Tour level stage-race or even 2.HC, finished 2nd, just 40 seconds off the podium.

    And this year they've really gone overboard with Hagen dropping climbers early as if they weren't standing. The ridicolous Porte/Rogers combo pushing 420 watts at threshold uphill making it impossible to attack. And then again the ridicolous Wiggins/Froome combo dropping everyone.
    And I'm telling you this is not 100% 'revolutionary training'. They are not exactly the only one training on Mount Teide and making 100.000 height meters. Almost every serious Tour contender spends whole May climbing mountains as preparation. There is something fishy at Sky, just as US Postal in the past. Unfortunately we won't know until 10 years probably...

    And finally, luckily Contador is back next year. But first we get to see him crush Froome in the upcoming Vuelta

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goofy View Post
    Remind me where Wiggins finished in the general classification in Le Tour 2009? Meteoric rise right enough........ 4th to 1st in 3 years, totally unheard of

    Sure there's a lot of doping going on in cycling, always has been....... i just think this talk of Wiggins 'all of a sudden appearing from nowhere' is bullshit! Maybe he is doped up, maybe not, hasn't failed a test yet though has he?
    Oh boy the ignorance of non-cycling fans who only follow the Tour...

    Wiggins 4th place in 2009 came out of absolutely nowhere. Having never been a climber in the past. Ofcourse, he was a track-cyclist-turned-road cyclist. But in the beginning of his road career all he could ever do is ride good prologues and time trials. In the mountains he would finish in the bus at 40 minutes. In his first Tour de France he just barely finished, he had that much trouble overcoming the mountains.
    His transformation to a GC contender in 2009 at Garmin was absolutely out of nowhere.

    And Chris Froome. Well I'm not even speaking of that alien. I've never in the 15 years I follow cycling (not just the TOur like you, but every freaking race on the calender frm january to october) seen such a rise out of nowhere. He was a decent rider at the espoirs, but nothing special. No big wins or anything.
    His first years as professional were anonymous. Best results some top 40's in small stage-races. Not even coming close top top 10/top 20. And nowhere near the level of Grand Tours. Then out of nowhere he becomes 2nd in the Vuelta and the year after 2nd in the Tour.
    It's laughable.

    Sorry to burst your bubble though. I can understand how a British TDF watcher this may come as a shock and maybe a hate post or something. But trust me it isn't. I actually even like the person Wiggins. But as much as I like him as a person, that doesn't help the suspicious rise of Sky. I've been fooled to many times in the past by 'suprises' or 'rises' as these.

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    Sorry, I wont bother offering my opinion anymore then since I dont watch every single race.......... obviously I know nothing

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    Oh, and apologies for my 'ignorance' :tup:

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    Sorry but it's like a guy who only watches the FIFA world cup commenting on football

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    I am not a dedicated follower of this but do enjoy watching now and again.

    I understnad what you saying Ruben but suggesting something 'fishy' is going on because someone has come from nowhere is not correct. People come from nowhere in allsorts of sports, look at football Wimbledon winning the cup FA cup in 88. Greece winning Euro 2004, Denmark winnning ion 92 it goes on.

    Cycling has made people skeptic because of the amount of cheats but it does not mean everyone is. If Watford won the FA cup this year they would not be accused of being on drugs but it would just be a shock. Could the recent emergence of Froome and Wiggins be down to this and the great training. Just a thought.

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    Great training..every over GC contender does the same or more training.

    Sky have influenced the media well, especially in the Anglo-saxon world, by claiming they are doing something revolutionary. Just when they entered the peloton when they boasted about windtunnel testing etc. Except that is isn't revolutionary, pro cyclists have done that since 15 years already...
    Revolutionary training? Not really, wattage-based interval training on mountains like Sky does with their TDF squad has been around for 4/5 years now. For instance Robert Gesink, a Dutch top 5 finisher in the Tour 2010, has been doing that since he's been a pro in 2007. Again nothing new.

    It's true that Wiggins and Froome are also test monsters and have extraordinary physical talent. Wiggins is the 2nd best cyclist of the modern era, only Alberto Contador has better test scores (he can pull 7.1 w/kg...which is amazing). But you might want to read the article of Vayer, ex-Festina trainer, who specialized in this stuff.
    Everybody who finished a Tour with more than 410watts on average (on all finishing climbs) has either been caught (tested positive) or implicated in a scandal (like the Fuentes one). Last year was the first Tour since the introduction of EPO, that nobody reached the 410W average threshold, as it's so nicely called. Before the EPO era 390W was the average of a Tour-winner btw.
    Evans reached 405W and could've been considered the first 100% non-suspect Tour winner.
    Then this year suddenly 4 riders reached above.. Wiggins and Froome 415W average, Nibali 413 and Jurgen Vandenbroeck 410W. Also Voeckler suspect because in a mountain breakaway he averaged 420W on all climbs which is a performance even Merckx in his best days could not possible copy.

    And now you ask, why is 410W the threshold, aren't limits there to be surpassed? Yeah, but to do that, you'd need inhuman physiological capabilities, you'd need a VO2max of 98 which is. Impossible. Again, this has been done to death by physiological specialist, they say it's impossible without some sort of 'help'. So that's why their performances stay suspect.
    Sure you can call Contador a cheater. But if he is, he's not worse than these guys.

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    If Wiggins and Froome were doping, they would of been caught by now, you seen how quickly they caught Frank Schleck for a masking agent Diuretic. They catch them quick now to limit the damage it has and the sorting out of competitions, as we have seen with Contador. The only reason it has taken a long time to finally ban Contador is because he challenged the decision to CAS and then fears over bribery with Israeli judges on the decision. They track each rider on the World Tour circuit so closely with the Bioogical Passport, one slight change you can't rationally explain then you will have to dissapear for 2 years.

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    Yep, that's what I said 7 years ago. They can't dope now because the controls are so tight. That's what we cycling fans keep telling ourselves. And they 'would've been caught by now'.
    Who says it needs to be blood doping? They could've gone on to new technologies, would not be the first time would it.

    For the moment, I believe they have won clean. BUT the performances, in numbers, do provide raised eyebrows here. So in the end I wouldn't be suprised if the top 5 of this Tour turns out to be doped in any way. Would not be the first time we find out years later.
    I mean look at the top 10 of the Tour 2001 to 2006 and amaze yourself about the nr of chargers in the top 10

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    These doping tests are like virus scanners; they can only detect what they already detected before.

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    track cycling athlete robert förstemann thighs on the right. surely thats normal..


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    Armstrong is innocent!!!

    Spoiler!

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    Rugs? Would like to know where he got quality rugs from.

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