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    Quote Originally Posted by Dermotron View Post
    The AI doesn't wibwob, the wibwob is in the default tactics. So yes it uses some wibwob, but its doesn't randomly generate it
    Can you explain this simple 442 vs me , why it has thick circles around every player?Its a game i just played and AI had this formation all over the game.Not an internet game to be spesific...if its not wib/wob then what is it? I ve faced 442 again in this savegame but with no thick circles.So whats the difference now?I happened to lost this one using dws v5 for my team

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    Quote Originally Posted by minusmf View Post
    Can you explain this simple 442 vs me , why it has thick circles around every player?
    He has explained it, it's written right in the qoute you highlighted in your post.

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    Indeed Atomic. The AI has 9 different variations of 442 to chose from.

    One thing it might change is arrows but it certainly doesn't change the wibwob

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    The simple 442 i showed its not one of the wib/wob variations of 442 .thats why i am wondering about thick circles around AI players
    When AI only just changes instructions , makes thick circles around players?

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    Did you edit the default 442 using info0's method here - http://champman0102.co.uk/showthread...7200#post87200

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    This one of the Preset tactics i.e. tactics the AI can choose from


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dermotron View Post
    Did you edit the default 442 using info0's method here - http://champman0102.co.uk/showthread...7200#post87200
    No I didnt

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    Mine was just this without v1 v2 etc

    and had thick circles around players as you can see...and simple 442 is not wi/obed as far as i know(i mean without the v1 v2 v3 v...v10)

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    So am i right in thinking;

    The tactics that the AI uses in the latest update (so as of now, April 2017) are tactics created by other players? Usually I don't WIBWOB because it feels like having an advantage over the AI, but if the tactics the AI uses are player created which include WIBWOB - can I WIBWOB without feeling like I'm cheating? :p

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    No, only 433 is, the rest are the defaults

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    I found a pack Tapani did which updated the default tactics: http://champman0102.co.uk/showthread...120#post274120

    I use this and find it's a good balance between the original and the harder AI tactics pack. It's not at the level where you need to WIBWOB extensively just to compete but it creates much more competition than against the default tactics. If you're a mid-table team, you more than likely will finish mid-table (unless you use the "best" tactics).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dermotron View Post
    No, only 433 is, the rest are the defaults
    Righty, so if i wanted to self impose a level playing field, i would not WIBWOB my tactics

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    Yes but what will bake your noodle is nearly the default AI tactics have some form of wib wob in them

    It's just it's very shit wib wob

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    Quote Originally Posted by hodgy View Post
    I found a pack Tapani did which updated the default tactics: http://champman0102.co.uk/showthread...120#post274120

    I use this and find it's a good balance between the original and the harder AI tactics pack. It's not at the level where you need to WIBWOB extensively just to compete but it creates much more competition than against the default tactics. If you're a mid-table team, you more than likely will finish mid-table (unless you use the "best" tactics).
    In other words, it all depends on what you want.

    I wanted to use WibWob to my heart's content without the game becoming (too) easy, so what I did was I created the strongest possible AI Tactics pack for my own use (it can be downloaded here: http://champman0102.co.uk/downloads.php?do=file&id=221)

    That AI tactics pack made it very hard to win the title even with teams like Spurs. Which is exactly what I wanted,

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    Hi Guys, quick question, which may/may not have already been answered in this thread, as I saw someone pointed it out, but wanna confirm a few things

    So a AI switched to half a team of players that were wibwob, is that because, in mt tactics folder, ive implemented some wibwob tactics of my own? and that they have taken bits from here and there aswell as default bits?

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    Question Tacticas overview vs with or whithout ball????

    I don't understand this







    The position of the players goes out of order.
    Can you explain me it? Do you put in order it or leave it?

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    You can position the players where you like on with/without ball screens making the tactic perform better. Some people consider it cheating. ;]

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    With ball (your team has the ball) your players position themselves more forward.

    Without ball (you opponents have the ball) your players move backwards.

    You can change it on all twelve squares and then save your tactic under a new name and test it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by info0 View Post
    You can position the players where you like on with/without ball screens making the tactic perform better. Some people consider it cheating. ;]
    Wib/Wob in itself is not cheating. You can completely ruin a tactics with wib/wob. The cheating part is when you position your players in unrealistic formations in order to exploit the match engine. For example:



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    These are unrealistic setup that exploit the match engine and so I consider them cheating. Although I have to say that ultimately it's a game and if that's the way people have fun then be it. The whole purpose of playing games is having fun

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    Info how can wib wob be cheating

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    It can bring a tactic to overachieve which in fact is cheating match engine. It's not even exploiting match engine.

    I didn't consider it as cheating even with narrow formations because even Tapani shown those are medicore at best, but his 4141_iodine made a mess. How many people regrets the decision to release it to public?

    IT's prime example of overachieving and not cheating tactic. It's also fairly realistic considering player positioning.

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    Well, you can choose to play with the default tactics (non-Wib/Wob) against the default computer tactics. That is fair.

    But Wib/Wob is a feature of cm0102 so why not use it?
    That's why I created a Tactics Pack for the computer that is so good that you can Wib/Wob as much as you like but you'll still struggle as my Blackburn Rovers story shows.

    http://champman0102.co.uk/downloads.php?do=file&id=221

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    Way i see it is this:

    Wib/wob is just like a real life manager telling his players to start in this position and through the phases move to position X eventually. So how could it be considered cheating.

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    Tacticas overview vs with or whithout ball????

    Quote Originally Posted by EL-TOPPO View Post
    Way i see it is this:

    Wib/wob is just like a real life manager telling his players to start in this position and through the phases move to position X eventually. So how could it be considered cheating.
    Fucking Oath, I agree with you.
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    With regard to cheating, a reasonable definition is to exploit the flaws of game engine by doing something to put yourself on uneven ground against the AI.

    With that being said, I don't think wibwob is cheating. I think what is cheating is to use no wide players whatsoever. This exploit game engine and put yourself on even ground because the AI uses wide players.

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