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    Question Tactics - Non WIBWOB: How does yours look like?

    When I played the game originally (back in 2001) I used to spend a lot of time wibble-wobbling a 442 formation until it was flawless, at that point I barely had to do any adjustments in order to win (home and abroad) consistently. I am sure you had a similar experience, and probably still do.

    Eventually I stopped playing the game and experimented with the FM series. Like so many of you I stirred away from the FM games due to its inversely proportional growth in complexity/fun.

    And then I discovered this site and the wonderful data updates and remarkable tapani patches. I rediscovered the genius in the simplicity of cm0102. But one thing that didn't seem right any more was the with and without ball screens... I found out that I had more fun with tactics if I only used player positioning and team and player instructions. It used to be about creating a perfect (or almost) tactic with wibble-wobble and then press “start match” regardless of the opposition's strength, line up or formation. But if you ignore the with and without ball screens, you find yourself attentive to the opposition scout report, their previous formation, line-up, forward or downward arrows, and reacting accordingly.

    I read Marc Vaughns manual and found out that “counter-attack, off-side trap and men behind ball” are actually three team styles. The first means your defensive line will stay further back and soak up attacks; the second style pushes the back four (or three or whatever) further up the pitch and the third one just means “park the bus.” Marc talks about not being a good idea to mix these 3, that a team should have one style, which can be combined with pressing and passing and marking styles.

    I love how elegant this is, how much you can get from very few options. If you consider the previous paragraph and add player positioning and individual instructions to the mix, I think there is more then enough to (nearly) fit any tactical ideas from Tiki-taka to catennacio.

    The game still flows with its trademark speed. I can still play 5 or 6 matches in one hour or something like that, but I find myself adjusting the marking instructions, pushing the full backs up, and so on... reacting on what the opposition manager is doing! It is still fast paced and fun and un-complicated, but a bit more unpredictable and challenging.

    And you can still make your epic rags to riches series, that make your Friday night chats at the pub all the more impressive. I took Colwin Bay from the Conference North to the second division on consecutive promotions playing with a 4-3-1-2 non wibble wobble formation!

    Anyway, sorry for the long post, I have seen a few users enquiring on how to make the game more challenging and I thought I would share my point of view.

    Cheers,

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    I never used abusive tactics, after getting to know them. As the mate says, they end up being boring. I always play non-wibble wobble cause I like luck to be a factor in football. I'm managing Kettering Town now, and got on to 2nd Div. Last 5 matches lost them all by a goal, having more ball possesion and more shots on goal. The sides that defeated me, did so because of lucky shots, as my defense is not flawless, so, I enjoy losing sometimes xD

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    Never used them tbh, I didn't know for years that you could move players in the wib/wob screens. I just thought it showed you where you players would be if you put arrow here and there! Still don't use them, my tactic evolves with the team. Always started in the lower leagues too and I'd be delighted when I'd sign a 35 year old (previously World Class) striker 6 years into the game!

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    Non-wibwob Tactics Discussion

    A thread for posting up a screenie of your non-wibwob tactics. Simples :-)

    Here's my current effort:
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    Nice initiative! Have u thought about a tactics league for non-wibwob-tacs?

    Will submit the very best of swede when I get home

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    Quote Originally Posted by swedishcmgod View Post
    Nice initiative! Have u thought about a tactics league for non-wibwob-tacs?

    Will submit the very best of swede when I get home
    please remember that "furyofthecheat" is not a non-wibwob tactic mate

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    Managed to win 2nd Div once, 6 1st Div titles, Libertadores and Intercontinental (I have FIFA World Club Championship turned off) in 5 years of career.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patinoz View Post
    please remember that "furyofthecheat" is not a non-wibwob tactic mate
    You must have accessed the wrong thread matey, you hang around the open tactics league and iodine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiestita View Post




    Managed to win 2nd Div once, 6 1st Div titles, Libertadores and Intercontinental (I have FIFA World Club Championship turned off) in 5 years of career.
    Impressive

    Always play with two strikers up front? Have you tried playing one of them somewhere else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Dalglish's Smile View Post
    A thread for posting up a screenie of your non-wibwob tactics. Simples :-)

    Here's my current effort:
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    Can you post stats of your AMs? Interested in seeing what they achieve in a season...

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    Quote Originally Posted by swedishcmgod View Post
    Impressive

    Always play with two strikers up front? Have you tried playing one of them somewhere else?
    I'm Argentinian, I just can't see a team with less of two strikers. Sometimes I send off a D C and bring another striker on. I like offensive football and as Héctor Veira said to River Plate's players minutes before playing against Steaua Bucharest for the Intercontinental Cup: "guys, pass the ball and just let them care of defending".

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    TBH the AMC is the position that I haven't really nailed yet, but I'm trying a few different things in that tactic, e.g. zonal marking on the DCs which means they also get pretty low ratings compared to if i had them on MM. Different players perform differently in that AMC position, but it looks like a dribbler is the best fit.

    The AMR is by far the highest assist position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiestita View Post
    I'm Argentinian
    Hey, shouldn't you be fielding a classic Number 10 in that case??

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    My current tactic, yet is has much to prove
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    Beat England 4-0 with this tactic, I guess it depends quite a lot on the AMC being a class player and the ST being good in the air
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    Used this tactic for years, quick ML and MR plus a competent AMC gives this tactic a real edge. Won against Roma with this one (5-1)
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    Relies heavily on the AMC to be a intelligent player. Great wingers make this tactic fecking awesome (AML scored 13 goals in 26 games or something like that)
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    Last edited by swedishcmgod; 14-08-12 at 06:53 PM.

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    Thanks Swede , for trying.

    All respect to you bro.

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    just have to mention the thread-name aswell, xxx - how does yours look?

    HAHAHA

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny Dalglish's Smile View Post
    Hey, shouldn't you be fielding a classic Number 10 in that case??
    I do, classic number 10 starts plays in the own half of the pitch, like Maradona, Onega, Riquelme, Veron, Gallardo, Ortega, etc.

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    Playing my usual save with Galway I had a 2nd leg UEFA-Cup game against Schalke. With only 1 DC available for the game I had to come up with something. I moved the "empty" DC up to DMC and, inspired by the tactic janis uses, fiddled around with the settings and arrows for the dmcs. This was the result:

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    New Tac
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    Result
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    Last edited by swedishcmgod; 14-08-12 at 07:06 PM.

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    Nice work man ! i love that last setup

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    These are 2 of mine:


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    Some serious runs, there, Airwick!

    I've recently tried out a very defensive oriented tactic, and it is really working out. I just tweaked the preset 451_defensive AI formation a little bit, and came up with this. The defence is seriously good for a non-wibwob.

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    Just them in a few recent save games and it works pretty well. Kinda stole the idea from Barca and Spain. With the Ajax tactic the with and without ball look very strong, with players in key positions. In the Spain tactic the attacking midfielder is the key. Also the attacking suprise of no real striker works pretty. Both tactics are really allround with all players scoring.

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    Jan 4-3-3


    Offensive , sometimes even normal
    Mixed
    Normal

    Pressing - yes
    offside trap - yes
    counter - no
    men behind - no

    Player types\stats are crucial to some positions and ofc player instrucions are massively important!
    This tac does very well vs other non wib\wobbed tactics , if the right player types are applied.
    Last edited by Janis89; 18-09-12 at 07:49 PM.

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    I have tried managing Everton on the Original Database with a non wibwob tactic. Manager holiday. No transfers.

    67 points in the league highest so far. Tried 13 different formations...

    Anyone better?

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    Will share my masterpiece tomorrow!

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