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    Cam's 3.60 Experiments

    Right, so discovered 3.65 seems to have the dreaded manager bug also.

    So decided to try out a bit of 3.60. To be honest I last played 3.60 way back in 2001 so coming back to it with fresh eyes and with the knowledge we now know about 3.68.

    Anyway first up I was amazingly surprised and almost got a full blown semi when saw this -



    Out of 26 players in Scotland squad, 15 were Scottish based





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    Background leagues not working properly issue - not present in 3.60. Not bad, two bug bears already shown not to be here. Keeping fingers crossed for the biggie though, jobs abroad








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    What did you set your rep at? CA/PA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by churky View Post
    What did you set your rep at? CA/PA?
    Haven't set it to anything, au naturele.

    That's the whole point, I don't want to set it to anything, I want it work like 0001 but in 0102.

    If my tests work next step would be a blank db seeing as I don't seem to have it anymore

    Unless somebody else has my blank 3.60 db? I only have blank 3.65 & 3.68 but defo made 3.60 also.





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    Ah, but you have to play at least a season to win something and then try, no?
    As I said in the other thread, that's the way I'm trying to test it.

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    Scotland players playing in Scotland, alas back when the spread of money in football is far better and Celtic & Rangers had reps or 16 or 17. A big big help in getting those players into the international squads.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dermotron View Post
    Scotland players playing in Scotland, alas back when the spread of money in football is far better and Celtic & Rangers had reps or 16 or 17. A big big help in getting those players into the international squads.
    10 out of the 15 were non old firm Scottish based players though Derm.

    Noticed how painfully slow it processes. Left on holiday from 10 last night until 7 this morning. 8 leagues, 6 main & 2 background and it's only managed almost 5 full seasons.

    Hit a blow in my jobs issue, as it's harder to win I only have a good rating overall so not good enough yet to see if can get a job abroad yet at a big club.





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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam F View Post
    Noticed how painfully slow it processes.
    I see you say this a lot, but I haven't noticed the difference between .60 and .68? My PC is nothing special, either. Hmm...

    Maybe because I still occasionally play FM, my perception is skewed on what's fast

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    Only reason I know is I leave 0001 on holiday for the same level of time overnight all the time testing tacs or updates. Speed overall isn't important in these experiments, getting a job is. Now at very good in top 40 and couldn't get hamburg or udinese job but will see if that still happens when best in world. Think manager job issue is through all 0102 versions tbh hope I'm wrong tho.

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    I'm also pretty sure the same bug applies to all 0102 versions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cam F View Post
    Noticed how painfully slow it processes. Left on holiday from 10 last night until 7 this morning. 8 leagues, 6 main & 2 background and it's only managed almost 5 full seasons.
    Speed Adjuster in Flex should be able speed it up.

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    Right, holidayed 10 seasons and this is my world rep in game -



    Received an unsolicited job offer from Liverpool (finished 3rd in last 3 EPLs) , would this have happened in 3.68?



    Turned it down and will now manually play and see if I can get many other jobs, I would say that is an encouraging sign for manager bug not being in 3.60?





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    How truly disappointing, as Churky and Derm said hey thought manager pa bug in ALL 0102 versions, even 3.60.

    After 11 seasons here is my manager ability in 3.60






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    Could you get other jobs, though? Maybe the game actually looks at the reputation, not PA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by churky View Post
    Could you get other jobs, though? Maybe the game actually looks at the reputation, not PA?
    Actually doing further digging, might be wrong here as my CA is crap in 0001 other ones I've looked at and got offered tons of jobs in different countries.

    Back to manual testing it is.





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    Quote Originally Posted by churky View Post
    I see you say this a lot, but I haven't noticed the difference between .60 and .68? My PC is nothing special, either. Hmm...

    Maybe because I still occasionally play FM, my perception is skewed on what's fast

    I notice no difference at all either, 0102 is rapid on my machine with max db and all leagues loaded.

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    can you increase your adaptability? try that at 20

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    Ooooo, knocked back Bradford job but got offered the Roma job!!! no save game editing either. Would add though got dingied for a few, Villareal and Zaragosa jobs but beggars can't be choosers.

    So is this more than you would expect in 3.68?






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    It's definitely MUCH more than in .68! Mostly because there it just doesn't happen, as a world class manager you can only get bottom league foreign jobs (mostly newly promoted)...

    I am wondering why you didn't get Villareal and Zaragoza, though.

    Looks promising, warrants more testing, maybe with different leagues and manager nationalities?

    EDIT: I was trying really hard to remember and I think I used to get job offers without applying in rags-to-riches saves. For example, after a promotion and another storming half a season, I'd get a job offer from a club from the same division.

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    Boom, I take it back about all having manager bug, 3.60 seems alright. Like I said I don't really have much knowledge about this but seems there is definitely more jobs going in 3.60 as that is about 75% of jobs applied for I got in 3 "foreign" countries.

    Edit: also offered Benfica and Fortuna Sittard jobs.

    Last edited by Cam F; 02-09-14 at 10:31 PM.





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    So when I throw in can get jobs abroad and Scottish based players still being a third to sometimes almost half the Scotland squad it makes me want to play 0102 again. In fact been editing the 3.60 db all night adding retired players as player like I did with 0001.





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    This is massive! Being able to get jobs all around Europe is something that's sorely missed from .68, it opens up a possibility for long, long saves with multiple clubs.
    Is there a way to transfer the update data from .68 to .60?

    Even if not, it's still a significant discovery.

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    Well actually yes. Manually we could insert all the players with no problems like I encountered as it's still 0102 and doesn't use a different symbols.

    Potentially if Artchie's updater gets to work like he hopes then we could inject player and staff in so could be quite exciting.

    Edit - career game going to be started after work tomorrow and see where my career takes me, ie start in Scotland then move to England after being head hunted for bigger job hopefully.
    Last edited by Cam F; 02-09-14 at 10:55 PM.

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    Does this mean that if everything can be transferred then Tapani/JL patches will have to be reconfigured coz they only work with. 68 right?

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    I assume SI made .65 and .68 for a reason ... Have you found any bugs in .60?

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