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    Finding a new job abroad - by Red9

    I'm going to try and answer one of the most frequently asked questions/complaints regarding the game, ie How the hell do you get a job abroad? Those who have been playing Challenge 4 will know all too well how frustrating it can be to win the league consecutively, be 1st in the World Rankings and still get rejected by lower league clubs! I hope to run some tests and find a solution to this problem.

    I hope to test the following:
    - the impact of Current Ability (CA) and Potential Ability (PA) on finding a job abroad
    - the impact of reputation on finding a job abroad
    - the impact of past achievements on finding a job abroad

    I may also think of other things as I go along

    I have already done a few tests which I will be posting shortly. Have a look at the results and post your opinions/suggestions.


    Final Thoughts can be found here: http://www.champman0102.co.uk/showth...7341#post17341
    Last edited by Patinoz; 27-04-12 at 10:03 AM.

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    Current Ability and Potential Ability

    For the first test I will be testing the effect of Current Ability (CA) and Potential Ability (PA) on finding a job abroad.

    (The following test was carried out using MAR 2009 update)

    For this test I loaded the English (foreground), Spanish, Italian, German and French (all background) leagues as in Challenge 4. I started with an English manager (Joe Bloggs) at Liverpool. I gave them a decent tactic and then went on holiday. . .

    I returned 15 years later in February, by which time Liverpool had won the league 7 times, the Champions League twice and the domestic Cups a handful of times each - not brilliant but still decent.

    This was my World Reputation at this point: Spoiler:






    Now I saved the game and created 3 new save games from this one:
    1 - my manager stats were left unchanged (Current Ability was 76 and Potential Ability was 130 - already very, very good - I've also had a CA/PA of 6/32 in another test!)
    2 - I left the CA at 76 and increased the PA to 200
    3 - I increased the CA and PA both to 200

    Next, I loaded the first save and resigned as Liverpool manager. Then I brought the other leagues to the foreground and applied for all top-flight jobs (with a few exceptions eg Juventus who were in Serie B)

    Whenever I was offered a job I rejected it and re-applied for all available jobs in the top flights around Europe.I did not re-apply to a club that had already offered me a job once.
    I did not do this on holiday - I was actually playing.
    This test was run from 6th February 2016 to 27th April 2016 (about 2 and a half months).
    Then I saved, re-loaded and did the exact same test again with exactly the same variables to make sure it wasn't a one-off.
    Then I saved again, re-loaded again and did the exact same test again with exactly the same variables just for good measure

    Next, I made the changes mentioned above - I increased the PA to 200 without changing the CA. Then I ran the test again (3 times )
    Finally, I increased both the CA and PA to 200 and ran the same test again (3 times).

    The results are shown below including the teams that I applied for and the offers I received. I've also included a success rate percentage to take account of the different numbers of applications/offers etc.

    * = club is not in the top tier of football in its country

    Test 1

    CA/PA - 76/130 (unchanged)
    Home Rep - 10000
    World Rep - 10000
    Current Rep - 10000 (all unchanged)


    Try 1

    Jobs applied for - 39 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*
    Toulouse


    Germany
    -------
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    Frankfurt
    Leverkusen*
    Schalke
    Werder Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Palermo
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Torino*
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    Sevilla
    Zaragoza



    Job offers - 8 (Celta Vigo, Chievo, Empoli, Lazio, Livorno, Inter, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 20.5%


    ----------------

    Try 2

    Jobs applied for - 27 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco


    Germany
    -------
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    Frankfurt
    Schalke
    Werder Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese



    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Zaragoza
    Sevilla



    Job offers - 7 (Boreaux, Deportivo, Inter, Lazio, Marseille, R Zaragoza, Udinese)

    Success Rate: 25.9%


    ---------------

    Try 3

    Jobs applied for - 29 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Lens
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco


    Germany
    -------
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Frankfurt
    Schalke
    Werder Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid



    Job Offers - 8 (Deportivo, Inter, Lazio, Lens, Marseille, R Volladolid, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 27.6%

    ===========


    Test 2

    CA/PA - 76/200
    Home Rep - 10000
    World Rep - 10000
    Current Rep - 10000

    Try 1

    Jobs applied for - 36 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Lens*
    Le Havre
    Le Mans*
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    PSG*
    Toulouse


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Schalke
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Torino*
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid



    Job Offers - 8 (Celta Vigo, Deportivo, Inter, Lazio, Livorno, Le Mans, R Valladolid, Udinese)

    Success Rate: 22.2%

    ------------


    Try 2

    Jobs applied for - 33 Spoiler:


    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Le Havre
    Lens*
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Frankfurt
    Schalke
    Werder Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid



    Job Offers - 6 (Celta Vigo, Inter, Lazio, Livorno, R Zaragoza, Udinese)

    Success Rate: 18.2%

    ---------------


    Try 3

    Jobs applied for - 39 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Caen*
    Lens*
    Le Havre
    Le Mans*
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Dortmund*
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Frankfurt
    M'gladbach*
    Schalke
    Werder Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Torino*
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid



    Job Offers - 12 (Caen, Celta Vigo, Chievo, Deportivo, Inter, Lazio, Lens, Le Mans, Marseille, M'gladbach, R Valladolid, Udinese)

    Success Rate: 30.8%

    =====================


    Test 3

    CA/PA - 200/200
    Home Rep - 10000
    World Rep - 10000
    Current Rep - 10000

    Try 1

    Jobs applied for - 35 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Caen*
    Lens*
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier


    Germany
    -------
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Frankfurt
    Schalke
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    Recreativo*
    R Madrid
    R Sociedad
    R Valladolid
    R Zaragoza



    Job Offers - 16 (AC Milan, Auxerre, Bordeaux, Caen, Celta Vigo, Deportivo, Hannover 96, Juventus, Lazio, Lens, Le Havre, Montpellier, Recreativo, Valladolid, W Bremen, Zaragoza)

    Success Rate: 45.7%

    ----------------

    Try 2

    Jobs applied for - 37 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Caen*
    Le Havre
    Le Mans*
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier


    Germany
    -------
    Dortmund*
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Frankfurt
    Nurnberg*
    Schalke
    Stuttgart
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese



    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Numancia*
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Sociedad
    R Valladolid
    R Zaragoza



    Job Offers - 23 (AC Milan, Atalanta, Auxerre, Bordeaux, Caen, Celta Vigo, Deportivo x4, Inter, Juventus, Lazio x2, Le Havre, Le Mans, Livorno, Montpellier, Numancia, Stuttgart, Udinese, Valladolid, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 62.2%

    --------------

    Try 3

    Jobs applied for - 33 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier


    Germany
    -------
    Bielefeld
    Dortmund*
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Frankfurt
    M'gladbach*
    Schalke
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Torino*



    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid
    R Zaragoza



    Job Offers - 16 (Auxerre, Bielefeld, Bordeaux, B'gladbach, Celta Vigo, Deportivo, Inter, Juventus, Lazio, Le Havre, Montpellier, R Valladolid, Torino, Udinese x2, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 48.5%

    ======================


    Average Success Rates:

    CA/PA Success Rate

    76/130 24.6%

    76/200 23.7%

    200/200 52.1%


    ======================

    So, increasing the CA definitely improves the chances of getting a job. Unfortunately I was hoping that increasing only the PA would make a difference - my tests show that it didn't (I wouldn't read too much into the fact the overall percentage was lower for Test 2 due to many variables which I had no control over)

    Thoughts?

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    I thought I'd take churky's advice and run a few more tests with different CAs and PAs. It's the same format/save as before

    * = club is not in the top tier of football in its country


    CA/PA - 100/100

    Home Rep - 10000
    World Rep - 10000
    Current Rep - 10000


    Try 1

    Jobs applied for - 37 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Le Mans*
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hamburger
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    Schalke
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid




    Job offers - 8 (Celta, Deportivo, Inter, Lazio, Le Mans*, Livorno*, R Valladolid, Udinese,)

    Success Rate: 21.6%


    ----------------

    Try 2

    Jobs applied for - 38 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hamburger
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    Schalke
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid
    R Zaragoza
    Sevilla




    Job offers - 8 (Celta Vigo, Deportivo, Inter, Lazio, Livorno*, R Zaragoza, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 21.1%

    ----------------

    Try 3

    Jobs applied for - 36 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hamburger
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    Schalke
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid




    Job offers - 9 (Celta Vigo, Chievo, Deportivo, Inter, Lazio, Livorno*, PSG*, R Valladolid, Udinese)

    Success Rate: 25.0%

    ----------------


    Overall Average Success Rate for CA/PA 100/100: 22.6%
    (Remeber the success rate for 200/200 was 52.1%)


    Next test: CA/PA of 125/125

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    CA 125, PA 125, Maximum Reputations

    CA/PA - 125/125

    Home Rep - 10000
    World Rep - 10000
    Current Rep - 10000


    Try 1

    Jobs applied for - 34 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    HSV
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    Schalke
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid





    Job offers - 10 (Celta Vigo, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Marseille, Montpellier, PSG*, R Valladolid, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 29.4.%

    ----------------

    Try 2

    Jobs applied for - 35 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hamburger
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    Schalke
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid
    Sevilla





    Job offers - 9 (Celta Vigo, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Montpellier, R Valladolid, Sevilla, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 25.7%

    ----------------

    Try 3

    Jobs applied for - 33 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hertha Berlin
    Schalke 04
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid
    R Zaragoza





    Job offers - 11 (Celta Vigo, Chievo, Deportivo, Juventus*, Lazio, Livorno*, Montpellier, R Valladolid, R Zaragoza, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 33.3%

    ----------------


    Overall Average Success Rate for CA/PA 125/125: 29.5%

    ======================

    Average Success Rates:

    Code:
         
    CA/PA    Success Rate 
    
     76/130    24.6%  
    
    76/200    23.7%
    
      --------------------------  
    
    100/100    22.6%  
    
    125/125    29.5%  
    
    200/200    52.1%

    ======================
    I think it's safe to assume that there's a pattern here


    Next test: CA/PA of 150/150

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    CA/PA - 175/175

    Home Rep - 10000
    World Rep - 10000
    Current Rep - 10000

    * = club not in the top tier of football in its country

    Try 1

    Jobs applied for - 36 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    Schalke 04
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid
    R Zaragoza





    Job offers - 17 (Auxerre, Bordeaux, Celta Vigo, Chievo, Deportivo, Dijon, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Le Havre, Livorno*, Montpellier, PSG*, Reggina, R Valladolid, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 47.2%

    ----------------

    Try 2

    Jobs applied for - 32 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    Schalke 04
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    Sevilla





    Job offers - 14 (Auxerre, Bordeaux, Chievo, Dijon, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Le Havre, Montpellier, PSG*, Reggina, Sevilla, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 43.8%

    ----------------


    Try 3

    Jobs applied for - 37 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    Pau
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    Schalke 04
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Torino*
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    Sevilla





    Job offers - 18 (Auxerre, Bordeaux, Celta Vigo, Chievo, Deportivo, Dijon, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Le Havre, Livorno*, Marseille, Montpellier, Pau, Sevilla, Torino*, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 48.6%

    ----------------


    Overall Average Success Rate for CA/PA 175/175: 46.5%


    Average Success Rates:

    Code:
         
    CA/PA    Success Rate
    
    76/130    24.6%  
    
    76/200    23.7%  
    
    --------------------------  
    100/100    22.6%  
    
    125/125    29.5%  
    
    150/150    35.0%  
    
    175/175    46.5%  
    
    200/200    52.1%
    Next test: CA/PA of 125/200

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    CA/PA - 125/200

    Home Rep - 10000
    World Rep - 10000
    Current Rep - 10000

    * = club not in the top tier of football in its country

    Try 1

    Jobs applied for - 35 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Le Mans
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Schalke 04
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid
    R Zaragoza





    Job offers - 14 (Deportivo, Dijon, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Le Mans*, Lille, Livorno*, Montpellier, PSG*, Reggina, R Valladolid, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 40.0%

    ----------------

    Try 2

    Jobs applied for - 36 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Schalke
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Zaragoza
    R Valladolid





    Job offers - 10 (Celta Vigo, Deportivo, Dijon, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Lille, Montpellier, R Valladolid, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 27.8%

    ----------------

    Try 3

    Jobs applied for - 34 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    Schalke
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    Sevilla





    Job offers - 12 (AC Milan, Celta Vigo, Chievo, Deportivo, Inter, Juventus, Lazio, Lille, Montpellier, PSG*, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 35.3%

    ----------------


    Overall Average Success Rate for CA/PA 125/200: 34.4%


    Average Success Rates:

    Code:
         
    CA/PA    Success Rate  
    
    76/130    24.6% 
    
     76/200    23.7% 
    
     --------------------------  
    
    100/100    22.6%  
    
    125/125    29.5%  
    
    125/200    34.4%  
    
    150/150    35.0%  
    
    175/175    46.5%  
    
    200/200    52.1%
    Interestingly, the success rate here was slightly higher than when the CA/PA was 125/125. Maybe PA does have some effect after all


    Next test: CA/PA of 1/1. I'm going to see if I can get a job with a high reputation but poor CA/PA

  7. #7
    Join Date
    18-12-11
    Location
    Dresden
    Posts
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    CA 1, PA 1, Maximum Reputations

    CA/PA - 1/1

    Home Rep - 10000
    World Rep - 10000
    Current Rep - 10000

    * = club not in the top tier of football in its country

    Try 1

    Jobs applied for - 36 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Schalke 04
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Torino*
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Zaragoza
    R Valladolid




    Job offers - 3 (Inter, Lazio, Udinese)

    Success Rate: 8.3%

    ----------------

    Try 2


    Jobs applied for - 37 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*
    Toulouse


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hannover
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Schalke 04
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    Sevilla




    Job offers - 4 (Inter, Lazio, Toulouse, Udinese)

    Success Rate: 10.8%

    ----------------


    Try 3


    Jobs applied for - 35 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*
    Toulouse


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Schalke 04
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    Sevilla




    Job offers - 5 (Inter, Lazio, Marseille, Toulouse, Udinese)

    Success Rate: 14.3%

    ----------------



    Overall Average Success Rate for CA/PA 1/1: 11.1%

    So, it seems as though the Reputations play a very, very important role in getting a job - even if you're a lousy manager!
    Also, Lazio, Inter and Udinese seem to hire anyone and everyone!




    Average Success Rates:

    Code:
         
    CA/PA    Success Rate  
    
    76/130    24.6%  
    
    76/200    23.7% 
    
     --------------------------  
    
    1/1    11.1%  
    
    100/100    22.6%  
    
    125/125    29.5%  
    
    125/200    34.4%  
    
    150/150    35.0%  
    
    175/175    46.5%  
    
    200/200    52.1%



    Next tests: The opposite of this one - high CA/PA and low reputation

  8. #8
    Join Date
    18-12-11
    Location
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    CA 150, PA 150, Minimum Reputations



    CA/PA - 150/150

    Home Rep - 1000
    World Rep - 1000
    Current Rep - 1000


    This is my World Reputation in the game Spoiler:






    * = club not in the top tier of football in its country

    Try 1

    Jobs applied for - 39 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*
    Toulouse


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Schalke 04
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Torino*
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid
    R Zaragoza





    Job offers - 0

    Success Rate: 0.0%

    ----------------

    Try 2


    Jobs applied for - 36 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Schalke 04
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Torino*
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid
    R Zaragoza




    Job offers - 0

    Success Rate: 0.0%

    ----------------

    I didn't bother with a third try here - I think it's obvious I'm not going to get a job. Even Lazio, Inter and Udinese didn't offer me a job!



    Overall Average Success Rate for CA/PA 150/150 with all reputations at 1000: 0%

    So, just to compare, when I had maximum reputations and the same CA/PA (150/150) my success rate was 35.0%


    Average Success Rates:

    Code:
         
    CA/PA tests with Maximum Reputations  
    
    CA/PA    Success Rate 
    
     76/130    24.6%  
    
    76/200    23.7% 
    
     --------------------------  
    
    1/1    11.1%  
    
    100/100    22.6%  
    
    125/125    29.5% 
    
     125/200    34.4%  
    
    150/150    35.0%  
    
    175/175    46.5%  
    
    200/200    52.1%

    Code:
         
    Reputations' Test with CA/PA 150/150  
    
    Reputations    Success Rate  
    
    Home 1000 
    World 1000 
    Current 1000    0.0%
    Next test: Same CA/PA (150/150) and Home/Current Reputations but World Reputation increased to 5000

  9. #9
    Join Date
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    CA 150, PA 150, Home Rep 1000, WORLD REP 5000, Current Rep 1000

    CA/PA - 150/150

    Home Rep - 1000
    World Rep - 5000
    Current Rep - 1000

    This is my World Reputation in the game Spoiler:






    * = club not in the top tier of football in its country

    Try 1

    Jobs applied for - 36 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Schalke 04
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Zaragoza
    Sevilla




    Job offers - 1 (Lazio)

    Success Rate: 2.8%

    ----------------

    Try 2


    Jobs applied for - 36 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Schalke 04
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Torino*
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Valladolid
    R Zaragoza





    Job offers - 2 (Lazio, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 5.6%

    ----------------


    Try 3


    Jobs applied for - 38 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre
    Bordeaux
    Dijon
    Le Havre
    Lille
    Lyon
    Marseille
    Monaco
    Montpellier
    PSG*
    Toulouse


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt
    Hannover 96
    Hertha Berlin
    HSV
    Schalke 04
    W Bremen


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta
    Chievo
    Empoli
    Inter
    Juventus*
    Lazio
    Livorno*
    Milan
    Roma
    Sampdoria
    Udinese


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid
    Barcelona
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo
    Espanyol
    Villarreal
    Valencia
    R Madrid
    R Zaragoza
    Sevilla





    Job offers - 1 (Lazio)

    Success Rate: 2.6%

    ----------------


    Overall Average Success Rate for CA/PA 150/150 with World Reputation of 5000 and Home/Current Reps at 1000: 3.7%




    Average Success Rates:

    [CODE]

    CA/PA tests with Maximum Reputations

    CA/PA
    Success Rate

    76/130
    24.6%

    76/200
    23.7%

    --------------------------

    1/1
    11.1%

    100/100
    22.6%

    125/125
    29.5%

    125/200
    34.4%

    150/150
    35.0%

    175/175
    46.5%

    200/200
    52.1%


    Code:
        
    Reputations' Test with CA/PA 150/150 
    
     Reputations    Success Rate 
     Home 1000 
    World 1000 
    Current 1000    0.0%   
    
    Home 1000 
    World 5000 
    Current 1000    3.7%
    -------------------------


    Next test: CA/PA of 150/150, Maximum World Reputation (10000), Home Reputation and Current Reputation still 1000

  10. #10
    Join Date
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    Location
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    CA 150, PA 150, Home Rep 1000, WORLD REP 10000, Current Rep 1000

    CA/PA - 150/150

    Home Rep - 1000
    World Rep - 10000
    Current Rep - 1000

    A little bit different this time. Alongside the clubs that I applied for (in the spoilers) I have included the stats for the manager that got the job instead of me. The stats are Nationality, World Rep, CA, PA. I've emboldened the ones that seemed odd to me
    (for those interested in these kinds of nuances )


    * = club not in the top tier of football in its country

    Try 1

    Jobs applied for - 35 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre - FRA 4433 134 145
    Bordeaux - FRA 3786 120 130
    Dijon - FRA 3245 124 132
    Le Havre - FRA 4279 138 150
    Lille - SUCCESS
    Lyon - FRA 1861 92 185
    Marseille - FRA 6257 31 60
    Monaco - FRA/ARM 3211 120 145
    Montpellier - SUCCESS
    Toulouse - SUCCESS


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt - GER 6288 140 174
    Hannover - GER 4914 0 167
    Hertha Berlin - GER 4030 120 135
    Schalke 04 - GER 4870 125 165
    W Bremen - GER 4311 125 140


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta - ITA 5184 148 196
    Chievo - SUCCESS
    Empoli - ITA 4095 80 167
    Inter - SUCCESS
    Juventus* - SUCCESS
    Lazio - SUCCESS
    Milan - ITA 5111 95 140
    Roma - GER/ITA 6098 148 170
    Sampdoria - ITA 4143 137 163
    Udinese - SUCCESS


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid - ESP 8119 125 160
    Barcelona - ESP 5680 120 150
    Celta Vigo - SUCCESS
    Deportivo - SUCCESS
    Espanyol - ESP 5046 118 165
    Villarreal - POR 9664 187 193
    Valencia - ESP/PAY 6666 157 170
    R Madrid - ESP 5582 110 164
    R Zaragoza - SUCCESS
    Sevilla - ESP/PAY 4036 105 130





    Job offers - 12 (Bologna*, Celta Vigo, Chievo, Deportivo, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Lille, Montpellier, R Zaragoza, Toulouse, Udinese)

    Success Rate: 34.3%

    ----------------

    Try 2


    Jobs applied for - 34 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre - FRA 4433 134 145
    Bordeaux - FRA 3786 120 130
    Dijon - SUCCESS
    Le Havre - FRA 4279 138 150
    Lille - SUCCESS
    Lyon - FRA 1861 92 185
    Marseille - SUCCESS
    Monaco - FRA/ARM 3211 120 145
    Montpellier - SUCCESS
    PSG* - FRA/CON 7066 43 126


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt - GER 6288 140 174
    Hannover - GER 4914 0 167
    Hertha Berlin - GER 4030 120 135
    Schalke 04 - GER 4870 125 165
    W Bremen - GER 3707 87 130


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta - ITA 5184 148 196
    Chievo - SUCCESS
    Empoli - ITA 4095 80 167
    Inter - SUCCESS
    Juventus* - SUCCESS
    Lazio - SUCCESS
    Milan - ITA 5111 95 140
    Roma - GER/ITA 6098 148 170
    Sampdoria - ITA 4143 137 163
    Udinese - SUCCESS


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid - ESP 8119 125 160
    Barcelona - ESP 5680 120 150
    Celta Vigo - SUCCESS
    Deportivo - SUCCESS
    Espanyol - ESP 5046 118 165
    Villarreal - POR 9664 187 193
    Valencia - ESP/PAY 6666 157 170
    R Madrid - ESP 5582 110 164
    R Valladolid - SUCCESS





    Job offers - 15 (Bologna*, Celta Vigo, Chievo, Deportivo, Dijon, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Lille, Livorno*, Marseille, Metz, Montpellier, R Valladolid, Udinese)

    Success Rate: 44.1%

    ----------------


    Try 3


    Jobs applied for - 34 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre - FRA 4433 134 145
    Bordeaux - FRA 3786 120 130
    Dijon - SUCCESS
    Le Havre - FRA 4279 138 150
    Lille - SUCCESS
    Lyon - FRA 1861 92 185
    Marseille - FRA 6257 31 60
    Monaco - FRA/ARM 3211 120 145
    Montpellier - FRA 4701 90 142
    PSG* - FRA/CON 7066 43 126


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt - GER 6288 140 174
    Hannover 96 - GER 3517 100 115
    Hertha Berlin - GER 4030 120 135
    Schalke 04 - GER 4870 125 165
    W Bremen - SUCCESS


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta - ITA 5184 148 196
    Chievo - ITA 2985 122 130
    Empoli - ITA 4095 80 167
    Inter - SUCCESS
    Juventus* - SUCCESS
    Lazio - SUCCESS
    Milan - ITA 5111 95 140
    Roma - GER/ITA 6098 148 170
    Sampdoria - ITA 4143 137 163
    Udinese - SUCCESS


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid - ESP 8119 125 160
    Barcelona - ESP 5680 120 150
    Celta Vigo - SUCCESS
    Deportivo - SUCCESS
    Espanyol - ESP 5046 118 165
    Villarreal - POR 9664 187 193
    Valencia - ESP/PAY 6666 157 170
    R Madrid - ESP 5582 110 164
    Sevilla - ESP/PAY 4036 105 130





    Job offers - 10 (Ascoli*, Celta Vigo, Deportivo, Dijon, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Lille, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 29.4%

    ----------------



    Overall Average Success Rate for CA/PA 150/150 with Maximum World Reputation and 1000 for Home/Current Reputations: 35.9%



    Average Success Rates:

    Code:
         
    CA/PA tests with Maximum Reputations  
    
    CA/PA    Success Rate 
    
     76/130    24.6%  
    
    76/200    23.7% 
    
     --------------------------  
    
    1/1    11.1% 
    
     100/100    22.6%  
    
    125/125    29.5%  
    
    125/200    34.4%  
    
    150/150    35.0%  
    
    175/175    46.5%  
    
    200/200    52.1%

    Code:
      
    Reputations' Test with CA/PA 150/150  
    
    Reputations    Success Rate  
    
    Home 1000 
    World 1000 
    Current 1000    0.0% 
    
       Home 1000 
    World 5000 
    Current 1000    3.7%    
    
    Home 1000 
    World 10000 
    Current 1000    35.9%
    I think it's quite obvious that even the AI managers have a difficult time moving abroad. In these tests only one manager was successful in getting a job in a foreign country. That was Jose Mourinho to Villareal and he has almost maximum attributes for reputations and CA/PA - there's a lesson in there for us I think.



    Next test: Same test as this one but with current reputation increased from 1000 to 5000. (If someone thinks that that is pointless please say so )

  11. #11
    Join Date
    18-12-11
    Location
    Dresden
    Posts
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    CA 150, PA 150, Home Rep 1000, WORLD REP 10000, CURRENT REP 5000

    CA/PA - 150/150

    Home Rep - 1000
    World Rep - 10000
    Current Rep - 5000



    As before, I've included the stats of the managers that got the job instead of me. The stats are Nationality, World Rep, CA, PA



    * = club not in the top tier of football in its country

    Try 1

    Jobs applied for - 34 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre - FRA 4433 134 145
    Bordeaux - FRA 3786 120 130
    Le Havre - FRA 4279 138 150
    Lille - SUCCESS
    Lyon - FRA 1861 92 185
    Marseille - FRA 6257 31 60
    Monaco - FRA/ARM 3211 120 145
    Montpellier - SUCCESS
    PSG* - FRA/CON 7066 43 126


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt - GER 6288 140 174
    Hannover 96 - GER 4801 145 160
    Hertha Berlin - GER 4030 120 135
    Schalke 04 - GER 4870 125 165
    W Bremen - SUCCESS


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta - ITA 5184 148 196
    Chievo - ITA 2985 122 130
    Empoli - ITA 4095 80 167
    Inter - SUCCESS
    Juventus* - SUCCESS
    Lazio - SUCCESS
    Milan - ITA 5111 95 140
    Roma - GER/ITA 6098 148 170
    Sampdoria - ITA 4143 137 163
    Torino* - ITA 3183 92 185
    Udinese - SUCCESS


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid - ESP 8119 125 160
    Barcelona - ESP 5680 120 150
    Celta Vigo - SUCCESS
    Deportivo - SUCCESS
    Espanyol - ESP 5046 118 165
    Villarreal - POR 9664 187 193
    Valencia - ESP/PAY 6666 157 170
    R Madrid - ESP 5582 110 164
    Sevilla - ESP/PAY 4036 105 130





    Job offers - 10 (Bologna*, Celta Vigo, Deportivo, Inter, Juventus, Lazio, Lille, Montpellier, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 29.4%

    ----------------

    Try 2


    Jobs applied for - 34 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre - FRA 4433 134 145
    Bordeaux - FRA 3786 120 130
    Dijon - FRA 3245 124 132
    Le Havre - FRA 4279 138 150
    Lille - SUCCESS
    Lyon - FRA 1861 92 185
    Marseille - SUCCESS
    Monaco - FRA/ARM 3211 120 145
    Montpellier - SUCCESS
    PSG* - ??? Spoiler:






    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt - GER 6288 140 174
    Hannover - GER 4914 0 167
    Hertha Berlin - GER 4030 120 135
    HSV - [/b]GER 6480 -13 101[/b] (similar to PSG manager)
    Schalke 04 - GER 4870 125 165
    W Bremen - SUCCESS


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta - ITA 5184 148 196
    Empoli - ITA 4095 80 167
    Inter - SUCCESS
    Juventus* - SUCCESS
    Lazio - SUCCESS
    Milan - ITA 5111 95 140
    Roma - GER/ITA 6098 148 170
    Sampdoria - ITA 4143 137 163
    Udinese - SUCCESS


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid - ESP 8119 125 160
    Barcelona - ESP 5680 120 150
    Celta Vigo - SUCCESS
    Deportivo - SUCCESS
    Espanyol - ESP 5046 118 165
    Villarreal - POR 9664 187 193
    Valencia - ESP/PAY 6666 157 170
    R Madrid - ESP 5582 110 164
    Sevilla - ESP/PAY 4036 105 130





    Job offers - 12 (Bologna*, Celta Vigo, Deportivo, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Lille, Marseille, Montpellier, Ternana, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 35.3%

    ----------------


    Try 3


    Jobs applied for - 35 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre - FRA 4433 134 145
    Bordeaux - FRA 3786 120 130
    Dijon - SUCCESS
    Le Havre - FRA 4279 138 150
    Lille - SUCCESS
    Lyon - FRA 1861 92 185
    Marseille - FRA 2970 85 170
    Monaco - FRA/ARM 3211 120 145
    Montpellier - SUCCESS


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt - GER 6288 140 174
    Hannover 96 - GER 4914 0 167
    Hertha Berlin - GER 4030 120 135
    Schalke 04 - GER 4870 125 165
    W Bremen - GER 3707 87 130


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta - ITA 5184 148 196
    Chievo - SUCCESS
    Empoli - ITA 4095 80 167
    Inter - SUCCESS
    Juventus* - SUCCESS
    Lazio - SUCCESS
    Livorno* - SUCCESS
    Milan - ITA 5111 95 140
    Roma - GER/ITA 6098 148 170
    Sampdoria - ITA 4143 137 163
    Udinese - SUCCESS


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid - ESP 8119 125 160
    Barcelona - ESP 5680 120 150
    Celta Vigo
    Deportivo - SUCCESS
    Espanyol - ESP 5046 118 165
    Villarreal - POR 9664 187 193
    Valencia - ESP/PAY 6666 157 170
    R Madrid - ESP 5582 110 164
    R Valladolid - SUCCESS
    R Zaragoza - ESP 6059 175 186





    Job offers - 12 (Bologna*, Chievo, Deportivo, Dijon, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Lille, Livorno*, Montpellier, R Valladolid, Udinese)

    Success Rate: 34.3%

    ----------------



    Overall Average Success Rate for CA/PA 150/150, World Rep 10000, Current Rep 5000 and Home Rep 1000: 33%



    Average Success Rates:

    Code:
         
    CA/PA tests with Maximum Reputations (Home, Current and World reps all on 10000)  
    
    CA/PA    Success Rate  
    
    76/130    24.6%  
    
    76/200    23.7%  
    
    --------------------------  
    
    1/1    11.1%  
    
    100/100    22.6%  
    
    125/125    29.5%  
    
    125/200    34.4%  
    
    150/150    35.0%  
    
    175/175    46.5%  
    
    200/200    52.1%

    Code:
        
    Reputations' Test with CA/PA 150/150  
    
    Reputations    Success Rate  
    
    Home 1000 
    World 1000 
    Current 1000    0.0%   
    
    Home 1000 
    World 5000 
    Current 1000    3.7%    
    
    Home 1000 
    World 10000 
    Current 1000    35.9%   
    
    Home 1000 
    World 10000 
    Current 5000    33.0%
    Has anyone seen the minus values for manager CA before? (see PSG and HSV managers in Try 2)


    Next test: Similar to this one but with World and Current Reps at maximum value (10000) with Home rep still at 1000

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    CA 150, PA 150, Home Rep 1000, WORLD REP 10000, CURRENT REP 10000

    CA/PA - 150/150

    Home Rep - 1000
    World Rep - 10000
    Current Rep - 10000


    * = club not in the top tier of football in its country
    The numbers next to the teams are the Nationality, World Rep, CA and PA of the manager that got the job instead of me


    Try 1

    Jobs applied for - 37 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre - FRA 4433 134 145
    Bordeaux - FRA 3786 120 130
    Dijon - FRA 3245 124 132
    Le Havre - FRA 4279 138 150
    Lille - SUCCESS
    Lyon - FRA 1861 92 185
    Marseille - FRA 6257 31 60
    Monaco - FRA/ARM 3211 120 145
    Montpellier - SUCCESS
    PSG* - FRA 4330 124 170


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt - GER 6288 140 174
    Hannover 96 - GER 4801 145 160
    Hertha Berlin - GER 4030 120 135
    Schalke 04 - GER 4870 125 165
    W Bremen - SUCCESS


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta - ITA 5184 148 196
    Chievo - ITA 2985 122 130
    Empoli - ITA 4095 80 167
    Inter - SUCCESS
    Juventus* - SUCCESS
    Lazio - SUCCESS
    Milan - ITA 5111 95 140
    Roma - ITA 5141 155 155
    Sampdoria - GER/ITA 6098 148 170
    Torino* - ITA 3183 92 185
    Udinese - SUCCESS


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid - ESP 8119 125 160
    Barcelona - ESP 5482 156 164
    Celta V - SUCCESS
    Deportivo - SUCCESS
    Espanyol - ESP 5046 118 165
    Villarreal - ESP 5680 120 150
    Valencia - ESP/PAY 6666 157 170
    R Madrid - ESP 5582 110 164
    R Valladolid - SUCCESS
    R Zaragoza - SUCCESS
    Sevilla - SUCCESS





    Job offers - 13 (Celta, Deportivo, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Lecce, Lille, Montpellier, R Valladolid, R Zaragoza, Sevilla, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 35.1%

    ----------------

    Try 2


    Jobs applied for - 33 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre - FRA 4433 134 145
    Bordeaux - FRA 3786 120 130
    Dijon - FRA 3245 124 132
    Le Havre - FRA 4279 138 150
    Lille - SUCCESS
    Lyon - FRA 1861 92 185
    Marseille - FRA 6257 31 60
    Monaco - FRA/ARM 3211 120 145
    Montpellier - SUCCESS
    PSG* - FRA 1858 -14 60


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt - GER 6288 140 174
    Hannover 96 - GER 3599 120 145
    Hertha Berlin - GER 4030 120 135
    Schalke 04 - GER 4870 125 165
    W Bremen - SUCCESS


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta - ITA 5184 148 196
    Chievo - ITA 2985 122 130
    Empoli - ITA 4095 80 167
    Inter - SUCCESS
    Juventus* - SUCCESS
    Lazio - SUCCESS
    Milan - ITA 5111 95 140
    Roma - ITA 5141 155 155
    Sampdoria - GER/ITA 6098 148 170
    Udinese - SUCCESS


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid - ESP 8119 125 160
    Barcelona - ESP 5482 156 164
    Celta Vigo - SUCCESS
    Espanyol - ESP 5046 118 165
    Villarreal - POR 9664 187 193
    Valencia - ESP/PAY 6666 157 170
    R Madrid - ESP 5582 110 164
    R Valladolid - SUCCESS





    Job offers - 9 (Celta Vigo, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Lecce, Lille, Montpellier, R Valladolid, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 27.3%

    ----------------


    Try 3


    Jobs applied for - 34 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre - FRA 4433 134 145
    Bordeaux - FRA 3786 120 130
    Dijon - FRA 3245 124 132
    Le Havre - FRA 4279 138 150
    Lille - SUCCESS
    Lyon - FRA 1861 92 185
    Marseille - FRA 6257 31 60
    Monaco - FRA/ARM 3211 120 145
    Montpellier - SUCCESS


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt - GER 6288 140 174
    Hertha Berlin - GER 4030 120 135
    Schalke 04 - GER 4870 125 165
    W Bremen - SUCCESS


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta - ITA 5184 148 196
    Chievo - SUCCESS
    Empoli - ITA 4095 80 167
    Inter - SUCCESS
    Juventus* - SUCCESS
    Lazio - SUCCESS
    Livorno* - SUCCESS
    Milan - ITA 5111 95 140
    Roma - ITA 5141 155 155
    Sampdoria - ITA 4143 137 163
    Udinese - SUCCESS


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid - ESP 8119 125 160
    Barcelona - ESP 5482 156 164
    Celta V - SUCCESS
    Deportivo - SUCCESS
    Espanyol - ESP 5046 118 165
    Villarreal - POR 9664 187 193
    Valencia - ESP/PAY 6666 157 170
    R Madrid - ESP 5582 110 164
    R Zaragoza - SUCCESS
    Sevilla - ESP/PAY 4036 105 130





    Job offers - 14 (Celta Vigo, Chievo, Deportivo, Inter, Juventus*, Lazio, Lille, Livorno*, Mallorca, Montpellier, R Zaragoza, Siena, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 41.2%

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    Overall Average Success Rate for CA/PA 150/150, World and Current Reputations at 10000 and Home Reputation at 1000: 34.5%


    Average Success Rates:

    Code:
         
    CA/PA tests with Maximum Reputations (Home, Current and World reps all on 10000) 
    
     CA/PA    Success Rate  
    
    76/130    24.6%  
    
    76/200    23.7%  
    
    --------------------------  
    
    1/1    11.1%  
    
    100/100    22.6%  
    
    125/125    29.5%  
    
    125/200    34.4%  
    
    150/150    35.0% 
    
     175/175    46.5% 
    
     200/200    52.1%

    Code:
    Reputations' Test with CA/PA 150/150  
    
    Reputations    Success Rate  
    
    Home 1000 
    World 1000 
    Current 1000    0.0%   
    
    Home 1000 
    World 5000 
    Current 1000    3.7%    
    
    Home 1000 
    World 10000 
    Current 1000    35.9%    
    
    Home 1000 
    World 10000 
    Current 5000    33.0%    
    
    Home 1000 
    World 10000
     Current 10000    34.5%
    So it seems as though Current Reputation does not have any effect on getting a job abroad. Only World reputation is important.

    On a separate and somewhat confusing note:
    In many of my tests (not just this one) Sebastien Frey and Craig Gordon have been offered jobs abroad even though there doesn't seem to be any obvious reason for it. Neither of them has a second nationality.
    Sebastien Frey normally gets a job in France but sometimes he gets the Inter job (after I reject it). He is fluent in Italian but other than that there doesn't seem to be any reason why he should be getting the job. His stats: Spoiler:






    Unlike Frey, Craig Gordon gets the Werder Bremen job almost all the time! He is fluent in German somehow (he has never played there) and these are his stats: Spoiler:




    I have yet to work out why Gordon gets the Bremen job - maybe it is purely to do with the fact that he can speak the language




    Next test: Nationalities

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    Conclusions regarding CA/PA and reputations

    It's obvious that raising the Current Ability increases the chances of getting a job abroad.
    Potential Ability does have an affect but not as much as CA.

    The success of a job abroad is all based on the World Reputation of the manager. Even if you have a great CA/PA you're not going to get a job abroad. (If a foreign chairman doesn't know about you he's not going to hire you!)

    Current Reputation deosn't seem to have much of an effect.

    If you are no.1 in the world rankings and still not getting a job abroad it is probably because your CA/PA is too low. Increasing this to even a modest figure (eg 100/125 or 125/125) will have an effect.


    More to follow after the next set of test results regarding nationalities . . .

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    Nationality - Spain, CA 125, PA 125, Maximum Reputations

    Nationality:
    1st: Spain
    2nd: -


    CA/PA - 125/125

    Home Rep - 10000
    World Rep - 10000
    Current Rep - 10000

    * = club not in the top tier of football in its country

    Try 1

    Jobs applied for - 37 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre - FRA 4433 134 145
    Bordeaux - FRA 3786 120 130
    Dijon - FRA 3245 124 132
    Le Havre - FRA 4279 138 150
    Lille - FRA 3124 125 140
    Lyon - FRA 1861 92 185
    Marseille - FRA 6257 31 60
    Monaco - FRA/ARM 3211 120 145
    Montpellier - SUCCESS
    PSG* - FRA 1858 -14 60
    Toulouse - SUCCESS


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt - GER 6288 140 174
    Hannover 96 - GER 4845 112 145
    Hertha Berlin - GER 4030 120 135
    Schalke 04 - GER 4870 125 165
    W Bremen - SUCCESS


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta - ITA 5184 148 196
    Chievo - SUCCESS
    Empoli - ITA 4095 80 167
    Inter - ITA 3585 120 191
    Juventus* - SUCCESS
    Lazio - SUCCESS
    Livorno* - SUCCESS
    Milan - ITA 5111 95 140
    Roma - GER/ITA 6098 148 170
    Sampdoria - ITA 4143 137 163
    Udinese - SUCCESS


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid - SUCCESS
    Barcelona - SUCCESS
    Celta Vigo - SUCCESS
    Deportivo - SUCCESS
    Espanyol - SUCCESS
    Villarreal - SUCCESS
    Valencia - SUCCESS
    R Madrid - SUCCESS
    R Valladolid - SUCCESS
    R Zaragoza - SUCCESS





    Job offers - 17 (Atletico Madrid, Barcelona, Celta Vigo, Chievo, Deportivo, Espanyol, Juventus*, Lazio, Livorno*, Montpellier, Real Madrid, Real Valladolid, Real Zaragoza, Valencia, Villareal, Udinese, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 45.9%

    ----------------

    Try 2


    Jobs applied for - 34 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre - FRA 4433 134 145
    Bordeaux - FRA 3786 120 130
    Dijon - FRA 3245 124 132
    Le Havre - FRA 4279 138 150
    Lille - FRA 3124 125 140
    Lyon - FRA 1861 92 185
    Marseille - FRA 6257 31 60
    Monaco - FRA/ARM 3211 120 145
    Montpellier - SUCCESS
    PSG* - SUCCESS


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt - GER 6288 140 174
    Hannover 96 - GER 4845 112 145
    Hertha Berlin - GER 4030 120 135
    Schalke 04 - GER 4870 125 165
    W Bremen - GER 2996 108 145


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta - ITA 5184 148 196
    Chievo - SUCCESS
    Empoli - ITA 4095 80 167
    Inter - ITA 3585 120 191
    Juventus* - SUCCESS
    Lazio - SUCCESS
    Livorno* - SUCCESS
    Milan - ITA 5111 95 140
    Roma - GER/ITA 6098 148 170
    Sampdoria - ITA 4143 137 163
    Udinese - SUCCESS


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid - SUCCESS
    Barcelona - SUCCESS
    Celta Vigo - SUCCESS
    Espanyol - SUCCESS
    Villarreal - SUCCESS
    Valencia - SUCCESS
    R Madrid - SUCCESS
    Sevilla - SUCCESS





    Job offers - 15 (At Madrid, Barcelona, Celta Vigo, Chievo, Espanyol, Juventus*, Lazio, Livorno*, Montpellier, PSG*, R Madrid, Sevilla, Valencia, Villareal, Udinese)

    Success Rate: 44.1%

    ----------------


    Try 3


    Jobs applied for - 34 Spoiler:

    France
    ------
    Auxerre - FRA 4433 134 145
    Bordeaux - FRA 3786 120 130
    Dijon - SUCCESS
    Le Havre - FRA 4279 138 150
    Lille - FRA 3124 125 140
    Lyon - FRA 1861 92 185
    Marseille - FRA 6257 31 60
    Monaco - FRA/ARM 3211 120 145
    Montpellier - SUCCESS
    PSG* - FRA 1858 -14 60


    Germany
    -------
    Frankfurt - GER 6288 140 174
    Hannover 96 - GER 4845 112 145
    Hertha Berlin - GER 4030 120 135
    Schalke 04 - GER 4870 125 165
    W Bremen - SUCCESS


    Italy
    -----
    Atalanta - ITA 5184 148 196
    Chievo - SUCCESS
    Empoli - ITA 4095 80 167
    Inter - ITA 3585 120 191
    Juventus* - SUCCESS
    Lazio - SUCCESS
    Livorno* - ITA 2985 122 130
    Milan - SUCCESS
    Roma - GER/ITA 6098 148 170
    Sampdoria - ITA 4143 137 163
    Udinese - SUCCESS


    Spain
    -----
    Atletico Madrid - SUCCESS
    Barcelona - SUCCESS
    Celta Vigo - SUCCESS
    Deportivo - SUCCESS
    Espanyol - SUCCESS
    Villarreal - SUCCESS
    Valencia - SUCCESS
    R Madrid - SUCCESS





    Job offers - 17 (At Madrid, Barcelona, Celta V, Chievo, Deportivo, Dijon, Espanyol, Juventus, Lazio, Milan, Montpellier, Rayo, R Madrid, Udinese, Valencia, Villareal, W Bremen)

    Success Rate: 50.0%

    ----------------

    Fantastic! I got every single job in Spain that I applied for including the Barcelona and R Madrid jobs. I didn't get these jobs even with a CA/PA of 200/200!
    It's also interesting to note that I was appointed the manager of many clubs in Spain even though I had a lower CA/PA than the other managers. I had a higher World Reputation though.

    Overall Average Success Rate for CA/PA 125/125 with maximum reputations and Spanish 1st nationality: 46.7%



    Average Success Rates:

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    CA/PA tests with Maximum Reputations (Home, Current and World reps all on 10000)  
    
    CA/PA    Success Rate  
    
    76/130    24.6% 
    
     76/200    23.7% 
    
     --------------------------  
    
    1/1    11.1%  
    
    100/100    22.6%  
    
    125/125    29.5%  
    
    Spanish Nat. 
    125/125    46.7%  
    
    125/200    34.4%  
    
    150/150    35.0%  
    
    175/175    46.5%  
    
    200/200    52.1%

    Code:
        
    Reputations' Test with CA/PA 150/150  
    
    Reputations    Success Rate  
    
    Home 1000 
    World 1000 
    Current 1000    0.0%   
    
    Home 1000 
    World 5000 
    Current 1000    3.7% 
    
       Home 1000 
    World 10000 
    Current 1000    35.9%    
    
    Home 1000 
    World 10000 
    Current 5000    33.0%    
    
    Home 1000 
    World 10000 
    Current 10000    34.5%
    Coming next: more tests with different nationalities . . .

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    Comparison of Spanish Clubs' Jobs Offers
    A few stats comparing the success rate of applying for Spanish clubs when changing the nationality from English to Spanish.
    The first column contains the club applied for.
    The second column shows how many times I was given the job and how many times I had applied whilst being an English manager.
    The third column shows how many times I was given the job and how many times I had applied whilst being an Spanish manager.

    CA: 125
    PA: 125 (both the same for ENG and ESP nationalities)

    Reputations: all maximum (10000)

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        Nationality: English    Nationality: Spanish          
    
    Club:    Offers/Applications    Offers/Applications          
    Atletico Madrid    0/3            3/3 
    Barcelona    0/3            3/3 
    Celta Vigo    3/3            3/3 
    Deportivo    2/2            2/2 
    Espanyol    0/3            3/3 
    Villareal    0/3            3/3 
    Valencia    0/3            3/3 
    Real Madrid    0/3            3/3 
    Real Valladolid    3/3            1/1 
    Real Zaragoza    1/1            1/1 
    Sevilla        1/1            1/1                   
    
    Total Success  Ratio:         10/28            26/26  
    
    Percentage:    35.7%            100.00%

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    Second Nationalities

    I also ran a few tests with the same save game to see if it would affect the chances of getting a job if France/Spain was a 2nd nationality instead of a 1st one.

    Test 1
    Nationalities: 1st England, 2nd Spain

    (CA/PA 125/125. All reputations maximum)

    As before, I applied for every top-flight job in Spain.

    Result: I was still offered every single job in Spain, including Barcelona and Real Madrid.


    Test 2
    Nationalities: 1st England, 2nd France

    (CA/PA 125/125. All reputations maximum)

    Same test as above but this time in France

    Result: Another clean sweep.


    I'm going to test this further but I'm pretty sure that whether you have the nationality as your 1st or your 2nd it will not make a difference.

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    Test 1

    Nationalities: 1st France, 2nd none
    CA/PA 100/100, Maximum Reputations

    In this test I reduced the CA/PA to just 100/100. This meant that I would be competing with managers who would have much higher CA/PAs than me. Would I be able to get the job ahead of them based on my reputations alone?

    Result: Yes! I was offered every single job in France even though my CA/PA was much lower than many of the other managers



    Test 2

    Nationilities: 1st England, 2nd France
    CA/PA 100/100, Maximum Reputations

    I changed my France nationality to 2nd reducing my chances of a job further. So, I had a low CA/PA of 100/100, a second nationality of French but still a high reputation.

    Result: I was once again offered every top-flight job in France.



    Test 3

    For this test I changed my second nationality to Spain (1st nationality English) and ran the test in Spain with the same results.



    As I said, I'll be testing this on a different save game altogether now as well as running some tests with languages

    (btw all of these tests were done more than once - they were not one-offs )

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    I will be returning to this save game later on for more tests.

    I started another game (to make sure that the save game wasn't a one-off)

    Selected Leagues: England, Italy and Spain
    Manager Name: David Goliath
    Nationality: Spain

    I started at Barcelona, selected a decent tactic and went on holiday until 2005.
    Then I returned from holiday.

    Landmarks: Spoiler:






    World Reputation: Spoiler:






    Manager stats: Spoiler:







    Then I ran similar tests to the previous save game. All tests were done without changing the CA/PA or the reputations. Only the nationalities were changed;


    Test 1 -
    Nationality (first): Italy
    Nationality (second): -
    Applied for jobs in: Italy

    Success Rate: 69.2%






    Test 2 -
    Nationality (first): England
    Nationality (second): -
    Applied for jobs in: Italy

    Success Rate: 15.4%







    Test 3 -
    Nationality (first): England
    Nationality (second): Italy
    Applied for jobs in: Italy

    Success Rate: 69.2%







    Test 4 -
    Nationality (first): San Marino (first language Italian, Game importance 4, Developed, Lge Standard 3, Reputation 4)
    Nationality (second): -
    Applied for jobs in: Italy

    Success Rate: 53.8%







    Test 5a -
    Nationality (first): Somalia (second language Italian, Game importance 4, 3rd World, Lge Standard 1, Reputation 1)
    Nationality (second): -
    Applied for jobs in: Italy

    Success Rate: 0.0%


    Test 5b -
    Nationality (first): Somalia
    Nationality (second): Italy
    Applied for jobs in: Italy

    Success Rate: 0.0%






    Test 6a -
    Nationality (first): Libya (third language Italian, Game importance 4, Developing, Lge Standard 6, Reputation 7)
    Nationality (second): -
    Applied for jobs in: Italy

    Success Rate: 0.0%


    Test 6b -
    Nationality (first): Libya
    Nationality (second): Italy
    Applied for jobs in: Italy

    Success Rate: 38.5%





    Test 7a -
    Nationality (first): Switzerland (third language Italian, Game importance 3, Developed, Lge Standard 11, Reputation 13)
    Nationality (second): -
    Applied for jobs in: Italy

    Success Rate: 15.4%


    Test 7b -
    Nationality (first): Switzerland
    Nationality (second): Italy
    Applied for jobs in: Italy

    Success Rate: 69.2%




    Test 8a -
    Nationality (first): Malta (third language Italian, Game importance 4, Developing, Lge Standard 4, Reputation 6)
    Nationality (second): -
    Applied for jobs in: Italy

    Success Rate: 0.0%


    Test 8b -
    Nationality (first): Malta
    Nationality (second): Italy
    Applied for jobs in: Italy

    Success Rate: 38.5%
    ----------------------------------

    I suppose the weirdest thing was that I didn't get a single job with a Somalian nationality even when I had a second Italian nationality. It looks as though the reputation/lge standard has an effect as well.


    I'm going to try similar tests in England next - there are a lot more countries to choose from. This should give me more variables eg first/second/third nationalities, league standards, reputations etc.

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    More tests including Nation Development

    Another test

    Manager: David Goliath
    CA/PA: 46/96
    Manager of Barcelona in Spain

    Home rep: 4978
    Current rep: 4904
    World rep: 4702

    Job applied for: All available jobs in England

    The different nationalities I applied for are across the top and the teams/divisions are down the left-hand side. I've also included the stats for each country under the table

    I applied with Nigerian nationality 3 times, changing the development stage from 'Third world' to 'developing' and then to 'developed' to see what effect this would have.

    key:
    1 = offered job
    - = not offered job




    1st Nation: England (Game importance 1, Developed, Lge Standard 18, Reputation 16)
    2nd Nation: -
    Success rt: 83.3%

    1st Nation: Wales (First language English, Game importance 3, Developed , Lge Standard 4, Reputation 10)
    2nd Nation: -
    Success rt: 83.3%

    1st Nation: Australia (First language English, Game importance 3, Developed , Lge Standard 10, Reputation 11)
    2nd Nation: -
    Success rt: 46.7%

    1st Nation: Republic of Ireland (First language English, Game importance 3, Developed , Lge Standard 7, Reputation 12)
    2nd Nation: -
    Success rt: 81.7%

    1st Nation: Argentina (No English Language, Game importance 1, Developing, Lge Standard 13, Reputation 18)
    2nd Nation:
    Success rt: 26.7%

    1st Nation: Brazil (No English Language, Game importance 1, Developing, Lge Standard 14, Reputation 19)
    2nd Nation:
    Success rt: 26.7%

    1st Nation: Nigeria (First language English, Game importance 2, Third World , Lge Standard 8, Reputation 13)
    2nd Nation: -
    Success rt: 10%

    1st Nation: Nigeria (First language English, Game importance 2, Developing, Lge Standard 8, Reputation 13)
    2nd Nation:
    Success rt: 31.7%

    1st Nation: Nigeria (First language English, Game importance 2, Developed, Lge Standard 8, Reputation 13)
    2nd Nation:
    Success rt: 40%



    OK, so it seems that the Development stage of a country also has an effect - the more developed your nation is, the higher your chances of landing a job. (This probably does not apply to most people as most people do not choose obscure nationalities, do they?)

    It seems as though there are other factors as well. For instance, why is the success rate lower for Australia than it is for Wales? Australia has a better league standard and reputation. I can only assume (for now) that the Continent/Country Regions has an impact on this.
    Also, the importance of the nationality/language can't be underestimated - look how low the success rates for Brazil and Argentina are (especially when compared to Wales/Ireland)
    Again, it's apparent that it is not easy to get the top jobs (big 4). Even with English nationality I didn't get the Arsenal job.

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    Changing Country Stats
    These tests show the effect of changing the stats of the nations.

    I've used a very low-profile country called Timor (which I later found didn't even have a National team!). So, my manager comes from Timor.

    Country Details
    ---------------
    Nation: Timor (Abreviation: TLS)
    Continent: blank
    Region: Asia
    Actual Region: Asia

    Languages-1st: Portugease
    Languages-2nd: Javanese

    Non-EU/EEA

    Game Imp.: 4
    Development: Third World
    League St: 1
    Reputation: 1


    Manager Details
    ---------------
    Name: David Goliath
    Home Rep: 4978
    Current Rep: 4904
    World Rep: 4702

    CA/PA: 46/96

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    I changed only one thing per test to see what effect it would have.
    The brackets indicate what I changed.


    Code:
    
    Test 1 (Game Imp. 2)        - 6/60 (10%) 
    Test 2 (Game Imp. 3)        - 6/60 (10%) 
    Test 3 (Game Imp. 4)        - 6/60 (10%)  
    Test 4 (Normal Development)- 6/60 (10%) 
    Test 5 (Developing)        - 16/60 (26.7%) 
    Test 6 (Developed)        - 19/60 (31.2%)
    I also ran development tests with other nations:

    Code:
    
    Cameroon  
    3rd World:    5/60 
    Developing:    16/60 
    Developed:    19/60  
    
    Botswana 
    3rd World:    6/60
    Developing:    19/60
    Developed:    23/60

    Botswana got more job offers than Cameroon even though Cameroon have a much higher game importance, reputation and lge standard! It's because they have English as 1st language whereas Cameroon have English as 2nd language.

    Code:
    
    Test 7 (Lge Standard 5)        - 6/60 (10%) 
    Test 8 (Lge Standard 10)    - 6/60 (10%) 
    Test 9 (Lge Standard 15)    - 6/60 (10%) 
    Test 10 (Lge Standard 18)    - 6/60 (10%) 
    Test 11 (Lge Standard 20)    - 6/60 (10%)  
    Test 12 (Reputation 5)        - 6/60 (10%) 
    Test 13 (Reputation 10)        - 6/60 (10%) 
    Test 14 (Reputation 15)        - 6/60 (10%) 
    Test 15 (Reputation 18)        - 6/60 (10%) 
    Test 16 (Reputation 20)        - 6/60 (10%)


    I also ran these two tests with Brazil

    Code:
    
    Reputation 3:    16/60 
    Reputation 14:     16/60  
    
    Lge Stand 3:    16/60 
    Lge Standard 19:16/60  
    
    Again - no difference

    (I used a different save game for the Brazil test so ignore the fact that the percentage is lower than Botswana's)


    A few surprises there. I would have thought that Game Importance, Reputation and League Standard would have all made a difference.
    Language is obviously important - Botswana had better results than Cameroon.

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    Effect of EU and Non-EU (EEC) Nationalities

    For these tests I changed the option of 'EEC member' using the editor and applied for all available jobs in England. The results are below - both with 'EEC member' and without.


    Manager Nationality: Wales
    EEC Member: 50/60
    Non-EEC: 50/60

    Manager Nationality: Republic of Ireland
    EEC Member: 49/60
    Non-EEC: 49/60

    Manager Nationality: Argentina
    EEC Member: 16/60
    Non-EEC: 16/60

    Manager Nationality: Brazil
    EEC Member: 16/60
    Non-EEC: 16/60



    Then I applied in Japan and South Korea to see if EEC membership makes a difference outside Europe

    Manager Nationality: Germany
    EEC Member: 6/12
    Non-EEC: 6/12

    Manager Nationality: England
    EEC Member: 7/12
    Non-EEC: 7/12

    Manager Nationality: Denmark
    EEC Member: 2/12
    Non-EEC: 2/12 (lower manager reps than Germany and England)


    OK so it seems that EU membership does not have an effect either.

    After the last two tests I'm beginning to wonder how the game tells apart the bigger footballing nations from the smaller ones. I had thought that Reputation, Lge Standard and Game Importance (and maybe EU membership) would provide the difference but they don't.
    Maybe the World Rankings have an effect?


    EDIT: In GK's Save Game Editor each nation has two separate reputation stats - one for the reputation of the nation itself and one for the reputation of the nation's football team. There is also a 'Training' stat for the country. Maybe that's the defining factor . . .


    Thoughts?

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    ok I just had a quick look at the training stat of some nations and it does seem plausable that the game uses this to help determine how 'good' a nation is.

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    Brazil        19 
    Italy        19 
    Argentina    19 
    France        18 
    Germany        17 
    Spain        17 
    England        16 
    Holland        16 
    Denmark        14 
    Sweden        14 
    Turkey        14 
    Nigeria        13 
    Russia        13 
    USA         13 
    Belgium        12 
    Colombia    12 
    Ireland        12 
    Scotland    12 
    Yugoslavia    12 
    Australia    11 
    Slovakia    11 
    Slovenia    11 
    Wales        10 
    Iceland        9 
    N Ireland    9 
    Trinidad & Tob.    8 
    Oman        7 
    StKitts & Nevis    4 
    Hong Kong    3 
    Nicaragua    2

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    See, there are also 2 reputation stats. One at the top and one near the one that I have highlighted at the bottom

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    Rival Nations

    I did the following tests to see if rival nations affect your chances of a job.
    First, I made sure that Holland and Germany had each other as their number one rival nations. I changed my nationality to Holland (Dutch) and applied for all jobs in Germany.

    Try Success Rate
    Try 1: 7/29
    Try 2: 7/29


    Then I made Germany and Holland no longer rivals and applied again

    Try Success Rate
    Try 1: 7/29
    Try 2: 7/29


    I did the same tests with France and Italy.
    Firstly as rivals:

    Try Success Rate
    Try 1: 3/14
    Try 2: 3/14


    And then as friends:

    Try Success Rate

    Try 1: 3/14
    Try 2: 3/14


    So, rival nations do not seem to have an effect.

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