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    I am also on two projects helping me look for work at the moment and without EU money they wouldn't be there. Another reason I am voting to stay in. Plus this government gives to the rich from the poor and that will get worse without being in the EU. I think it all comes down to trust. I don't trust the government to not completely screw us over the minute the leave. Cameron is all for staying in but I think he can see it as a win- win situation. He campaigns to stay in probably helps the Tories at the next elections in 2020 that doesn't work and we leave he can enact all his ridiculous reforms without the EU telling him what he can and can't do. And I don't trust the government and I think they will screw us over. And by the time the 2020 elections come it will all to be late as the damage will be done and unrepairable. Cameron is smug clever piece of shite and he knows what he is doing to best suit his reforms and for the Tories for the future.

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    I share your hatred of Cameron Ste

    government gives to the rich from the poor which will be worse if we leave the EU
    There would be no projects assisting jobseekers if we leave the EU

    I don't understand where you are getting the information that backs up these statements mate.
    Have you heard of The Prince's Trust, or Springboard? Both UK run programmes that do the same thing. I'm sure there are hundreds more on the local level all throughout the country.

    Everyone knows I trust the government as little as you do but the issue is bigger than that. It's about governing ourselves and not being ruled by a federal superstate, an EU commission that isn't even ELECTED! (they are appointed). The talk of 2020 is kind of irrelevant, this is the one and only shot we have at keeping control of our own country. It's now or never.

    If we don't get out now, then we are very unlikely to get another chance, TTIP will be enforced and you can forget the Tories and Cameron, the new scumbags will be taking the poor money and sending it to the rich in Strasbourg/Brussels.

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    You do realise a lot of these 'projects' have stupidly strict criteria, so they wouldn't be accessible by all jobseekers. There are some projects out there that you need to be 25+, long term unemployed and live in certain post codes just to get any kind of support.

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    TBH mate those are likely the EU funded ones.
    I'm not certain on which is which but certainly in my days of visiting the jobcentre, EURES was a big thing, and they had criteria like that.

    We're getting bogged down in minutia though, I was trying to say we don't need the support of 27 other nations to help people into work, we are the 5th largest economy on earth and can sort that out ourselves surely?

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    But clearly were not sorting it out ourselves because more and more young people are becoming unemployed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ste117 View Post
    But clearly were not sorting it out ourselves because more and more young people are becoming unemployed.
    Clearly more and more young people have become lazy, arrogant, ill mannered and complacent and want it all handed on a plate to them.

    Youth unemployment is what it is due to youth not willing to take on menial jobs like cleaning etc and instead would rather take their 90 per fortnight sit at home, smoke weed, drink their bottles of booze, wear their pants around their ankles etc. Because they have been allowed to get that way.

    Please dont blame the government for what our youth have become. Blame the government for the laws brought in that allowed the youth to put themselves in this position. The soft laws that punished parents who tried to punish their children but couldn't due to laws. Yes I agree with the law partially about hitting or spanking. But here I am a grown man who was chastised as a child if I stepped out of line as well as many others around the country. You dont see much wrong with our work ethic, manners etc.

    But besides all that, its not about punishment or jobs. It's about an arrogant bunch of egotistical, corrupt and wealthy politicians who decide our fate.

    We are the ones who should vote in leaders. We should vote in new laws. Why should one man be above all others. We should all be equals, but never will be while those with money buy their way to the top.

    I know fuck all about politics, nor do I care enough to learn more. All I know is I trust this government and those in power about as far as I could throw them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EL-TOPPO View Post
    Clearly more and more young people have become lazy, arrogant, ill mannered and complacent and want it all handed on a plate to them.

    Youth unemployment is what it is due to youth not willing to take on menial jobs like cleaning etc and instead would rather take their 90 per fortnight sit at home, smoke weed, drink their bottles of booze, wear their pants around their ankles etc. Because they have been allowed to get that way.

    Please dont blame the government for what our youth have become. Blame the government for the laws brought in that allowed the youth to put themselves in this position. The soft laws that punished parents who tried to punish their children but couldn't due to laws. Yes I agree with the law partially about hitting or spanking. But here I am a grown man who was chastised as a child if I stepped out of line as well as many others around the country. You dont see much wrong with our work ethic, manners etc.

    But besides all that, its not about punishment or jobs. It's about an arrogant bunch of egotistical, corrupt and wealthy politicians who decide our fate.

    We are the ones who should vote in leaders. We should vote in new laws. Why should one man be above all others. We should all be equals, but never will be while those with money buy their way to the top.

    I know fuck all about politics, nor do I care enough to learn more. All I know is I trust this government and those in power about as far as I could throw them.
    This is probably the best post I've ever seen form you

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    What's funny is that it's often those same kids that complain about immigrants coming to the country and taking the jobs.....

    but you know, if they are willing to work their asses off, do the menial jobs, get paid shit wages, and do whatever it takes to support their families while the unemployed youth just sit around and moan.... then I have no problem with it. If the non-immigrants worked half as hard as the majority of the immigrant families, and took the kinds of jobs that the immigrants took, then there would be no need for many of these special programs

    The immigrants are usually just happy to have safety and security and the ability to work.... the non-immigrants expect to have shit handed to them and then moan when it isn't

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    I had a 4 year spell of being unemployed.
    After a while you do get depressed and kind of give up on even trying for work, it grinds you down.

    It was the government mandated course that I was sent on that actually lit a fire under my ass and got me back out there trying my hardest to get something, anything!

    The course itself was useless in terms of qualification (City & Guilds level 1 web design) but the routine of getting up every day and doing something productive snapped me back into reality and I was spending a lot of the time on the course actually applying for jobs and tweaking my CV etc.

    My point is I can see where it feels like there is nothing out there sometimes but the guys are right here in saying that it's all about attitude.

    The EU will prey on this exact theme as has been done historically many times, they will sell the younger generation on a socialist utopia continent wide. They will say that we need to tax the high earners more which the poor and unemployed and the migrants and the minorities will agree with. The problem with that is that high earners will be seen as anyone remotely middle class and these are the people that spend money and create jobs etc. But the downtrodden underclass, created by the system will blindly vote for such measures in the promise of the aforementioned socialist utopia. This has happened before many times. It doesn't end well.

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    Guardian Polls regarding the issue:

    http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...n-poll-reveals

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    I was unemployed for a good while myself too. Firstly through Illness (mentally and physically some of which is documented in mental health thread), Then for a little while I think it was due to the fact that I had such a big gap between my last job and when I was applying for work.

    I will admit I could have pushed myself harder whilst unemployed to get further training, Volunteer work or something to bridge the gap that I felt was holding me back but couldnt be bothered. When I did get pushed into applying for anything that came up I applied for cleaning work, general labour work, shop work, sales etc. No one wanted to give me a chance, could have been down to aforementioned gap in employment, poor cv, poor attitude when attending interviews, lack of confidence. Who knows!

    I was finally given a chance almost 3 years ago. Just general shop work for a nationwide chain of convenience stores. Fuck me it felt good. Boosted my confidence no end. I was happier, we are financially better off, As well as that feeling you get when you put in a good shift at work and get thanked by managers and customers alike. Within 4 months I was being trained to run the store in managers absence, Learning the ins and outs of a business (Yes I still dont fully understand things, but still learning on the job as I go along). Within under 9 months I was promoted to shift manager.

    Good work ethic, willingness to learn, patience, honesty - All small skills that each of us has in us that allowed me to flourish and better myself. Kids of today they couldnt even hold a candle to the work ethic of my generation, my mothers generation or generations previous to that. Its the same work ethic the foreigners bring to the workplace when they get given an opportunity, Yet a lot of this country are pissed off they are here. Well piss off to the country these migrants are coming from. See the hardship they have to endure, then come back. Maybe then you lazy fuckers will get off your arses, put your back into a shift and finally be thankful for what we actually do have.


    Anyway, I think we have veered well off the course of this thread and what it's about.. Stay or go?

    I personally dont know. We have been fed lies and propaganda from both sides. Who are we meant to believe - The corrupt Leave party or the equally corrupt Stay party. I am personally not voting. I wont vote as I dont trust either. I'll just have to deal with the fallout of whatever happens when the results are polled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig Forrest View Post
    Spoiler!
    This wasnt to do with the stay or go debate.. I am sure it was to do with Immigration, but yes serves a point on both debates.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-10141197.html

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    I have been unemployed since January and I have hated every minute of it, first time ever I had to sign on in February and since I have done volunteer work in an office based area and volunteer now for my Local Super League team in Media and on matchdays, while recieving help with my CV to make myself more employable and now it has worked as I passed a telephone interview for a call centre anf First Group transport. Just another assessment to pass then I could have a job. But now back on topic

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    Thats an interesting article.

    The message behind it is that anyone who wants to leave is a ridiculous idiot who fails to even burn a flag


    Its probably George Osborne under the balaclava !

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    voting form through today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redknapp69 View Post
    voting form through today
    Had mine yesterday, just need to pick one now and send it back haha.

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    Known for months what I'm voting for and won't be changing.

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    Is it compulsory for the British public to vote over this?

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    No mate thats Chna you're thinking of although high turnout is expected for this one it isnt compulsory.


    Ste: dont let information or facts get in the way.

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    I think a bit like the Scottish independence vote, the lack of a clear plan and confident future under leave leads to uncertainty in people so the 'stay/in' vote will win

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    I don't get what sort of plan should be expected. The plan would be that the government of the UK governs the UK. Its worked everywhere round the world for centuries!


    I think that the remain camp will have problems getting people out to vote. While it seems to be pretty evenly split at the moment opinion wise, the leave voters are more fervently wanting to make sure they hit the poll booth. People that think staying is a better idea may not be as keen to run down to the local polling station to make sure we definitely stay in.

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    Brexit Referendum - Opinion Poll

    I'll be amazed if it's leave

    My missus would like to see what would happen if we were to leave (wouldn't everyone?!) but the muppet doesn't vote - maybe a good job as she'd prob get deported if leave did win

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    There will not be mass deportation mates.


    Over the next couple of weeks the immigration issue will come up but it isnt a goal of the leave campaign to deport everyone. The main thing you will hear about is that immigration to the UK was 330000 last year, a city the size of Colchester moved here last year. That is untenable on an ongoing basis and with Turkey joining possibly in tge next 5 years that number could even increase.


    The UK was built on immigration and no one wants to stop it altogether, but it should be our own discretion how many we accept and on what basis (skill based/assylum/business based etc)

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