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Baz
29-06-12, 09:48 PM
It's that time of year again where a couple of us will watch some, if not all of the tour de france. So come on Ste can Wiggins really win it? Or will Evans storm to another victory? Also as i've not really read who's in it this year is Contador and the Luxemboury brothers in it? Are they in form?

Patinoz
29-06-12, 09:50 PM
when does it start? tomorrow?

i will watch it again, watch every year.

Baz
29-06-12, 09:54 PM
Yeah starts tomorrow Paddy, had the opening thingy tonight, teams presented in the morning then a nice time trial to start the afternoon :)

BeezerCeltic1967
29-06-12, 09:55 PM
just a pro log tomorrow, the real stuff starts on sunday,
Wiggins should win :ok:

BeezerCeltic1967
29-06-12, 09:56 PM
the best schleck is out of the race,
contador is not in it. [cheating little fucker]

Patinoz
29-06-12, 09:57 PM
who is out? andy or frank? i like andy. hope he wins it.

Baz
29-06-12, 09:57 PM
Cheers Beez shows how clued up I am, just saw it was live cycling on Eurosport so assumed it started tomorrow :D Schlecks that's the badgers! Major hope for Wiggins to win here isn't it? Bet the rest of the bunch think he'll be nowhere near :sad:

AMC
29-06-12, 10:06 PM
Wiggins is favourite with the bookies, 6/5 fav with Evans 2nd fav at around 5/2. Quite a gap to the rest I think then, around 16-1 bar

Goofy
01-07-12, 11:42 PM
It's that time of year again where a couple of us will watch some, if not all of the tour de france. So come on Ste can Wiggins really win it? Or will Evans storm to another victory? Also as i've not really read who's in it this year is Contador and the Luxemboury brothers in it? Are they in form?

Cadel was lucky last year imho, he never really went for it at any stage, just kept plugging away......... surely this year he'll find one or two better ;) Wiggins has a big chance


who is out? andy or frank? i like andy. hope he wins it.

Must be Andy or he would be near the top of the betting :tup:

Ste117
02-07-12, 01:17 AM
Wiggins mainly favourite because of the amount of Time Trail km's in this years race. He isn't a super climber to the likes of Evans, Menchov, Nibali. I do think he will win it as he is in form and looks strong. He also has a strong team around him. Peter Sagan should win the sprinter green jersey as Cavendish won't finish the race this year. 22 years old and already a super rider.

I can't stand the Schleck brothers. Stroppy little kids most of the time. If they don't get their own way they do off and start a new team. They dont get along with their team manager and are now looking to set a new team again with a German sponsor. So im glad Andy Schleck isn't racing this year and I don't think Frank Schleck will do too well either.

Blue Demon
02-07-12, 10:50 AM
First real mass sprint today, should be a great finish. Cavendish needs to win this really but Kittel and Greipel should make it a good battle. Maybe Sagan can join them. Some outsiders for a top 3 finish imo; Goss, Farrar, Renshaw, Freire and dutch glory boy van Hummel. :D

Baz
02-07-12, 05:29 PM
Cavendish just scraped home :lol: his 21st stage win, amazing stuff!

Blue Demon
03-07-12, 09:25 AM
It was crazy, he was all alone and around the 30th position with 1km to go, cant believe he did it(even tho I predicted it). I had 6 of my 9 riders in the top 10, too bad Kittel got stomach issues.

Today is gonna be fireworks; too tough for real sprinters like Cav today, so obvious favourite will be Sagan. Chavanel and Gilbert should be up there. Valverde and D. Martin have been looking strong, so I expect them to battle for top 5. Other outsiders; the dutch duo Mollema and Gesink, Hesjedal and Kiserlovski. That`s my team for today. :)

Ste117
08-07-12, 11:57 PM
Team Sky or UK Postal as they are now dubbed are fighting off doping accusations, mainly Bradley Wiggins and Chris Froome at the centre of the accusations at the moment. This has come to light by the way they have risen from mediocre climbers to riding top GC contenders of their wheel. Also the fact that Wiggins is the first person to win Paris- Nice- Tour of Romandy and Criterium Du Dauphine in the same season, if he adds the Tour he will be the first to win all 4 in a year.

churky
09-07-12, 12:11 AM
This sport has been discredited so many times and yet people still follow it. Amazing.

Blue Demon
09-07-12, 08:58 AM
Everyone uses, it just a case of not getting caught.

Goofy
09-07-12, 10:17 AM
Innocent until proven guilty? You work your arse off to get to the top and then people instantly accuse you of cheating, roger federer must be juiced up to the hilt :rolleyes:

churky
09-07-12, 11:14 AM
Innocent until proven guilty? You work your arse off to get to the top and then people instantly accuse you of cheating, roger federer must be juiced up to the hilt :rolleyes:

It's not like that at all. So many people in cycling have been proven guilty, some of them champions cheating their way to victory. It's happened far too many times to still take cycling seriously.

Blue Demon
10-07-12, 07:53 AM
I still enjoy it as much as I have allways enjoyed it. If everyone uses it`s all even again. ;)

My god Wiggins and Froome cleaned up yesterday, even Cancellara looked amateurish. Evans will need to attack now, great developments.

Ste117
10-07-12, 08:31 PM
French team Cofidis hotel room has been raided during the rest day today. Remy Di Gregorio arrested for alleged doping. Also rumours Astana team hotel room has been raided too.

LR
10-07-12, 08:38 PM
It always sad to hear those kind of news. I'm affraid this sport is terminaly tainted. Some years ago i used to watch the Tour quite often but all those doping scandals made me lose all the interest. Today the only connection i have to this sport is mainly this thread. Sad, very sad... :(

Goofy
10-07-12, 10:31 PM
Team Sky or UK Postal as they are now dubbed are fighting off doping accusations, mainly Bradley Wiggins and Chris Froome at the centre of the accusations at the moment. This has come to light by the way they have risen from mediocre climbers to riding top GC contenders of their wheel. Also the fact that Wiggins is the first person to win Paris- Nice- Tour of Romandy and Criterium Du Dauphine in the same season, if he adds the Tour he will be the first to win all 4 in a year.

Remind me where Wiggins finished in the general classification in Le Tour 2009? Meteoric rise right enough........ 4th to 1st in 3 years, totally unheard of :lol:

Sure there's a lot of doping going on in cycling, always has been....... i just think this talk of Wiggins 'all of a sudden appearing from nowhere' is bullshit! Maybe he is doped up, maybe not, hasn't failed a test yet though has he?

Ste117
10-07-12, 11:38 PM
I don't see it as sad, as see it as an achievement and great work to catch the dopers, yes unfortunate there are many of them, I put it down to the competitive nature in the sport, so many talented riders fighting for limited places inside the peleton. This is their job, they need to live of the money they earn. But doping isn't the way but when under pressure to perform many turn to it.

It would be so easy for Cycling to sit back and let them get away with it, like they do in other sports, but they take a stance against it, Cycling is alot cleaner than a few years ago and getting cleaner as the UCI and WADA continue to catch these idiotic dopers.

Blue Demon
11-07-12, 09:40 AM
A stage today that will show us a battle; Sky vs attackers, aka control vs mayhem. no matter who wins it will be great to watch.

:)

Ste117
15-07-12, 08:45 PM
Sabotage on the Tour today going over the final category 1 climb. Tacs/nails were lay 200m from the top between the 15min gap of the break and peleton. this forced most of the remaining riders in the peleton to puncture, including Cadel Evans 3 times and Bradley Wiggins once. This also caused the crash of Robert Kiserlovski who had to abandon after he broke his collarbone. Roughly upto 30 tacs/nails were lay down. Police are investigating the incident and how it could of happened with so many fans about and barriers placed at the top.

Fods
16-07-12, 03:21 AM
:rofl: quality

Goofy
16-07-12, 08:42 AM
Was nice to see the peleton slow up to allow the guys affected to catch back up though, sportsmanship isnt dead after all

Goofy
17-07-12, 09:32 PM
Frank Schleck failed a test now - http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cycling/18880417

Baz
22-07-12, 07:36 PM
Nice day for the Brits, what a brilliant way to finish up, a Cavendish stage win and a 1-2 in the overall standings, can't really get any better can it? Oh and if Wiggins doesn't win SPOTY it'll be a travesty!

Ste117
22-07-12, 07:40 PM
The first time I have really being proud to be British, true Sports stars finally getting success. Brilliant day. It's also nice to see Cycling finally getting press coverage over here, would of been a travesty if it hadn't after Wiggo winning :D

LR
22-07-12, 09:21 PM
Congrats to Wiggo!

ebfatz
22-07-12, 10:31 PM
Oh and if Wiggins doesn't win SPOTY it'll be a travesty!

Dead cert already.
Someone at the Olympics will have to win about 4 Gold's to even come close to touching him!

Ste117
24-07-12, 01:12 AM
Tour is over and now the fallout.

Froome wants to be team leader next year and the team around him at next years tour, Wiggo has a defence to mount next year too. Cavendish is unhappy at the lack of sprint opportunities his team set up for him and is considering leaving Sky. Sky have come out and said the door is open to him to go.

Having a team with so many strong riders both in GC and sprints was always gonna be tough to keep both parties happy, but letting Cavendish go would be a massive mistake, he brings so much exposure through winning so many stages. He could rescue a poor Tour for any team.

Blue Demon
24-07-12, 06:27 AM
I would love to see Froome and Cav move. The best Tour would have a top 10 GC with 10 different teams. Imagine Wiggo, Froome, Contador, Schleck, Nibali, van Garderen, Evans, vd Broeck all battling next year, would be awesome.

Ruben_
27-07-12, 12:24 AM
the best schleck is out of the race,
contador is not in it. [cheating little fucker]
Contador is not a cheat. 0,0000000000000000000005 fucking gram of clenbuterol. It can only be contamination.

Sky however with Geert Leinders as doctor are very suspect imho. Leinders was ex-Rabobank until 2009. He worked with them in the onimous Rasmussen/Thomas Dekker era (both cheaters). Then after that debacle Rabobank changed their internal rules and suddenly Leinders decided to leave because he didn't agree with the new management.

Sky, when they started. Initially had a lot of big talk but failed to deliver in the big races. The Tour 2010 was a major disappointed with Wiggins dropping on every mountain and the rest of the races could have gone better too. So in 2011 they had to change... and guess what, Geert Leinders joined as team doctor. Then the Vuelta 2011 came. Where 'nobody' Chris Froome, who as previous best was struggling to hit top 30 in World Tour races as Romandie, and who had previously never finished top 20 in any big mountain stage or time trial in ANY World Tour level stage-race or even 2.HC, finished 2nd, just 40 seconds off the podium.

And this year they've really gone overboard with Hagen dropping climbers early as if they weren't standing. The ridicolous Porte/Rogers combo pushing 420 watts at threshold uphill making it impossible to attack. And then again the ridicolous Wiggins/Froome combo dropping everyone.
And I'm telling you this is not 100% 'revolutionary training'. They are not exactly the only one training on Mount Teide and making 100.000 height meters. Almost every serious Tour contender spends whole May climbing mountains as preparation. There is something fishy at Sky, just as US Postal in the past. Unfortunately we won't know until 10 years probably...

And finally, luckily Contador is back next year. But first we get to see him crush Froome in the upcoming Vuelta :)

Ruben_
27-07-12, 12:29 AM
Remind me where Wiggins finished in the general classification in Le Tour 2009? Meteoric rise right enough........ 4th to 1st in 3 years, totally unheard of :lol:

Sure there's a lot of doping going on in cycling, always has been....... i just think this talk of Wiggins 'all of a sudden appearing from nowhere' is bullshit! Maybe he is doped up, maybe not, hasn't failed a test yet though has he?
Oh boy the ignorance of non-cycling fans who only follow the Tour...

Wiggins 4th place in 2009 came out of absolutely nowhere. Having never been a climber in the past. Ofcourse, he was a track-cyclist-turned-road cyclist. But in the beginning of his road career all he could ever do is ride good prologues and time trials. In the mountains he would finish in the bus at 40 minutes. In his first Tour de France he just barely finished, he had that much trouble overcoming the mountains.
His transformation to a GC contender in 2009 at Garmin was absolutely out of nowhere.

And Chris Froome. Well I'm not even speaking of that alien. I've never in the 15 years I follow cycling (not just the TOur like you, but every freaking race on the calender frm january to october) seen such a rise out of nowhere. He was a decent rider at the espoirs, but nothing special. No big wins or anything.
His first years as professional were anonymous. Best results some top 40's in small stage-races. Not even coming close top top 10/top 20. And nowhere near the level of Grand Tours. Then out of nowhere he becomes 2nd in the Vuelta and the year after 2nd in the Tour.
It's laughable.

Sorry to burst your bubble though. I can understand how a British TDF watcher this may come as a shock and maybe a hate post or something. But trust me it isn't. I actually even like the person Wiggins. But as much as I like him as a person, that doesn't help the suspicious rise of Sky. I've been fooled to many times in the past by 'suprises' or 'rises' as these.

Goofy
27-07-12, 09:07 AM
Sorry, I wont bother offering my opinion anymore then since I dont watch every single race.......... obviously I know nothing :ok:

Goofy
27-07-12, 09:08 AM
Oh, and apologies for my 'ignorance' :tup:

Ruben_
27-07-12, 09:48 AM
Sorry but it's like a guy who only watches the FIFA world cup commenting on football

ashton430
27-07-12, 01:06 PM
I am not a dedicated follower of this but do enjoy watching now and again.

I understnad what you saying Ruben but suggesting something 'fishy' is going on because someone has come from nowhere is not correct. People come from nowhere in allsorts of sports, look at football Wimbledon winning the cup FA cup in 88. Greece winning Euro 2004, Denmark winnning ion 92 it goes on.

Cycling has made people skeptic because of the amount of cheats but it does not mean everyone is. If Watford won the FA cup this year they would not be accused of being on drugs but it would just be a shock. Could the recent emergence of Froome and Wiggins be down to this and the great training. Just a thought.

Ruben_
27-07-12, 01:24 PM
Great training..every over GC contender does the same or more training.

Sky have influenced the media well, especially in the Anglo-saxon world, by claiming they are doing something revolutionary. Just when they entered the peloton when they boasted about windtunnel testing etc. Except that is isn't revolutionary, pro cyclists have done that since 15 years already...
Revolutionary training? Not really, wattage-based interval training on mountains like Sky does with their TDF squad has been around for 4/5 years now. For instance Robert Gesink, a Dutch top 5 finisher in the Tour 2010, has been doing that since he's been a pro in 2007. Again nothing new.

It's true that Wiggins and Froome are also test monsters and have extraordinary physical talent. Wiggins is the 2nd best cyclist of the modern era, only Alberto Contador has better test scores (he can pull 7.1 w/kg...which is amazing). But you might want to read the article of Vayer, ex-Festina trainer, who specialized in this stuff.
Everybody who finished a Tour with more than 410watts on average (on all finishing climbs) has either been caught (tested positive) or implicated in a scandal (like the Fuentes one). Last year was the first Tour since the introduction of EPO, that nobody reached the 410W average threshold, as it's so nicely called. Before the EPO era 390W was the average of a Tour-winner btw.
Evans reached 405W and could've been considered the first 100% non-suspect Tour winner.
Then this year suddenly 4 riders reached above.. Wiggins and Froome 415W average, Nibali 413 and Jurgen Vandenbroeck 410W. Also Voeckler suspect because in a mountain breakaway he averaged 420W on all climbs which is a performance even Merckx in his best days could not possible copy.

And now you ask, why is 410W the threshold, aren't limits there to be surpassed? Yeah, but to do that, you'd need inhuman physiological capabilities, you'd need a VO2max of 98 which is. Impossible. Again, this has been done to death by physiological specialist, they say it's impossible without some sort of 'help'. So that's why their performances stay suspect.
Sure you can call Contador a cheater. But if he is, he's not worse than these guys.

Ste117
28-07-12, 02:41 AM
If Wiggins and Froome were doping, they would of been caught by now, you seen how quickly they caught Frank Schleck for a masking agent Diuretic. They catch them quick now to limit the damage it has and the sorting out of competitions, as we have seen with Contador. The only reason it has taken a long time to finally ban Contador is because he challenged the decision to CAS and then fears over bribery with Israeli judges on the decision. They track each rider on the World Tour circuit so closely with the Bioogical Passport, one slight change you can't rationally explain then you will have to dissapear for 2 years.

Ruben_
29-07-12, 12:26 PM
Yep, that's what I said 7 years ago. They can't dope now because the controls are so tight. That's what we cycling fans keep telling ourselves. And they 'would've been caught by now'.
Who says it needs to be blood doping? They could've gone on to new technologies, would not be the first time would it.

For the moment, I believe they have won clean. BUT the performances, in numbers, do provide raised eyebrows here. So in the end I wouldn't be suprised if the top 5 of this Tour turns out to be doped in any way. Would not be the first time we find out years later.
I mean look at the top 10 of the Tour 2001 to 2006 and amaze yourself about the nr of chargers in the top 10

Blue Demon
30-07-12, 01:01 PM
+1

These doping tests are like virus scanners; they can only detect what they already detected before.

Patinoz
30-07-12, 02:06 PM
track cycling athlete robert förstemann thighs on the right. surely thats normal..

http://bilder.bild.de/fotos-skaliert/beine_27732836_mbqf-1343638060-25402142/1,h=343.bild.jpg

Dermotron
15-01-13, 09:49 PM
Armstrong is innocent!!!


http://www.joe.ie/uploads/story/32787/Armstrong%20Rugs.jpg

Baz
15-01-13, 10:01 PM
Rugs? Would like to know where he got quality rugs from.

316'sRegen
20-01-13, 11:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8qkBLgMAlU

Patinoz
15-03-13, 11:59 PM
http://sphotos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/486052_10151342766106935_949105690_n.jpg

:lol:

Fods
25-04-13, 03:24 AM
http://img5.uploadhouse.com/fileuploads/17568/17568123dfcbd3b5ff31aeceb4b3e10975e49f3f.jpg

Blue Demon
14-07-13, 07:16 PM
Despite all the doping, anyone following the Tour this year ? :D

ebfatz
19-07-13, 02:56 PM
Was I right in seeing Jack Bauer crash out of the Tour today?!

http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsS/tve16754-20070507-1366.gif

BeezerCeltic1967
19-07-13, 03:48 PM
Despite all the doping, anyone following the Tour this year ? :D

Every Day :ok:

The tour is quality, although i prefer the classics, will be good next year in a shoot off between wiggo and froome, no chance will 1 of them play 2nd fiddle at sky next year. Froome would destroy wiggo imo.

BeezerCeltic1967
12-04-14, 09:50 PM
Paris - Roubaix tomorrow

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::popc orn::popcorn:


viva spartacus :hail: hail:

was fucking amazing last week in Flanders :ok:

http://cdn.firstendurance.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/flanders_CANCELLARA.jpg

BeezerCeltic1967
14-04-14, 12:08 PM
Great Paris - Roubaix yesterday :hail:

Ste117
29-06-14, 03:01 PM
Less than a week to go until it all kicks off in Leeds. I'm hoping to head out to Holme Moss in the Pennines to watch Stage 2 if the British weather doesn't decide to dump a day of rain.

BeezerCeltic1967
29-06-14, 03:14 PM
1 contador

2 battle between froome and talansky [which will be closer than 2nd and 1st place imo]

- - - Updated - - -


Less than a week to go until it all kicks off in Leeds. I'm hoping to head out to Holme Moss in the Pennines to watch Stage 2 if the British weather doesn't decide to dump a day of rain.


your skin is waterproof mate :ok:

Goofy
29-06-14, 03:35 PM
Contador won't win now that he's clean(ish) Beez ;)

BeezerCeltic1967
29-06-14, 03:48 PM
didn't do too bad in the dauphine last week where he smashed froome to bits.
Froome isn't squeaky clean either mate, with his inhalers..... quick puff just before a climb and that'l do :lol:

contador will however miss Roman Kreuziger if he gets banned this year.

saxo kit is cooler than sky's anyway :lol:

BeezerCeltic1967
29-06-14, 03:50 PM
10 mins to the start of the road championships on Eurosport :ok:

Ste117
29-06-14, 06:03 PM
Contador is in great form, I am expecting Froome to bounce back after a disappointing Dauphine.

I am disappointed that Wiggins isn't riding, would be a great help for Froome on the cobbles of the Aranberg where he impressed in Paris Roubaix earlier this year. He is an engine and you need a engine in the team. And he is the first British winner of the Tour and for the British public it would of been nice to see both British Tour winners setting off in Leeds.

Ste117
29-06-14, 06:06 PM
On the Froome inhaler subject, Diego Ulissi who suffers from asthma has just been provisionally suspended for over use during a stage he won in the Giro D'Italia.

Bevchenko
30-06-14, 12:16 AM
Leeds, my favourite French city.

BeezerCeltic1967
06-09-14, 09:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwXzUwTFMxc&feature=player_detailpage

wee motor on the bike???

hmm

looks dodgy as fuck to me.

Ste117
06-09-14, 09:41 PM
Tour of Britain starts in Liverpool tomorrow then comes through my town of Widnes on Monday, also there is a intermediate sprint in my town.

BeezerCeltic1967
06-09-14, 09:54 PM
GOOD STUFF STE,

you going?

Ste117
06-09-14, 10:00 PM
GOOD STUFF STE,

you going?

Will be in my town mate, not sure for tomorrow as I on in work tomorrow night, might save my energy for Monday.

BeezerCeltic1967
06-09-14, 10:02 PM
see it's not coming to scotland this year....
bastards.


would love to see a time trial round edinburgh. you wouldn't get a more scenic tt in uk.

also would love a stage in the highlands and through glencoe/rannoch moor/trossachs

Ste117
06-09-14, 10:09 PM
see it's not coming to scotland this year....
bastards.


would love to see a time trial round edinburgh. you wouldn't get a more scenic tt in uk.

also would love a stage in the highlands and through glencoe/rannoch moor/trossachs

They have started bringing it to new places recently, I have never been to Scotland. Watching Cycling is a nice way for me to see other places I can't afford to go too, sounds weird but it is that type of Sport.

Baz
02-07-16, 06:49 PM
Bothering to watch this years tour Ste? Couple of nasty looking crashes for the first stage, the big guns look unharmed, even if Cantador took a tumble.

Ste117
02-07-16, 06:56 PM
Bothering to watch this years tour Ste? Couple of nasty looking crashes for the first stage, the big guns look unharmed, even if Cantador took a tumble.


Yeah mate, cracking win for Cav, the Katusha rider hit that barrier at some speed, completely rippid his front wheel of his bike.

Baz
02-07-16, 07:03 PM
Yeah mate, cracking win for Cav, the Katusha rider hit that barrier at some speed, completely rippid his front wheel of his bike.

Delighted for Cav, 27 stage victories is an unbelievable feat. Not sure who it was, but one of them also managed to get a jammed wheel after misjudging a corner haha, my 8 year old was like "why can't he ride a bike with the wheel not moving" haha :D

London35
22-07-16, 02:08 PM
Delighted for Cav, 27 stage victories is an unbelievable feat. Not sure who it was, but one of them also managed to get a jammed wheel after misjudging a corner haha, my 8 year old was like "why can't he ride a bike with the wheel not moving" haha :D

he REALLY wants that olympic medal!

Vèrkûh
23-07-17, 07:11 PM
All in all a pretty exciting Tour de France, with the difference between the numbers one and two in the GC less than a minute.

Unfortunately we've seen some ugly crashes as well...