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Cam F
06-04-12, 02:38 PM
Many years ago, Airwick started the Open Tactic League which was a roaring success.

Airwick no longer has the time to commit to running so I have taken over the running of it.

For the tactic league I'm using the odb .68 version. I used the Tapani Patch 2.18 to increase the speed of the game.

Testing will be done in Holland with de Graafschap.

You can download the savegame here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/6v4qa3

Some rules:
- Use the provided savegame
- You can only test tactics that are not your own! (if you want your tactic tested please post it in this thread)
- Holiday mode
- Usual rules of no buying and selling, use current tactic and don't change assistant's stats
- First season scores only count
- To get the score in the league you will have to post the result of the first season.

To get a place in the league the tactic has to be tested 10 times (first season only!)

I will no longer release tactic packs as Airwck did.

Should you wish to submit tacs but do not wish them to be released publicly, please PM me. It would be nice if some tactics had a mystique about them that people had heard of them but not had the good fortune to use.

I know some people have very good tacs but don't want everyone to have them but would also like them tested for OTL, now you can :ok:

And please, if you have some feedback, post it!
The Top 20 - The ultimate 20 tactics in OTL history deserve their own table

Updated until post 259. For those who have difficulty reading the table as it is so large now here is a downloadable version - http://www.sendspace.com/file/w4p2w7 http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6577/22b8.png
- http://imageshack.us/a/img23/8523/0cje.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img24/5316/hb95.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img716/9822/bagq.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img571/5571/21kb.pnghttp://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6880/fwl8.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img109/9146/0vo5.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img825/6861/8tp4.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img534/185/t5as.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img33/1604/4kw.bmp
http://imageshack.us/a/img94/2391/3qrs.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img17/6632/66jx.png
http://imageshack.us/a/img30/3172/izm.bmp
*Some of the formations have a C behind them. This means the formation is fully centralized. A formation like DWSv2 doesn't have a C because it has wingers, but OnlyGodKnowsWhy has a C because it has no backs, wingers etc.

Tactic Packs Links


Tactic Pack 1: http://www.champman0102.co.uk/downloads.php?do=file&id=28
Pictures Pack 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/8snyel

Tactic Pack 2: http://www.champman0102.co.uk/downloads.php?do=file&id=29
Pictures Pack 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/mhxqhi

Tactic Pack 3: http://www.champman0102.co.uk/downloads.php?do=file&id=30

Tactic pack 4: http://www.champman0102.co.uk/downloads.php?do=file&id=31

Tactic pack 5: http://www.champman0102.co.uk/downloads.php?do=file&id=32

Tactic pack 6: http://www.champman0102.co.uk/downloads.php?do=file&id=33

Tactic pack 7: http://www.champman0102.co.uk/downloads.php?do=file&id=34

Tactic pack 8: http://www.champman0102.co.uk/downloads.php?do=file&id=35

Tactic pack 9: http://www.champman0102.co.uk/downloads.php?do=file&id=106

Cam F
09-04-12, 09:04 PM
Patinoz: You have link tatic good steals by created faz44???


are you kidding me? i told you on the sb, i dont have it and then cam f even posted the link for you!


can you repost please? thanks


the link for the tactic that George_Roberto asked in the replie above

Got a definite feeling of deja vu going on here

http://www.sendspace.com/file/hn5itgNew tac for you to test please Airwick if you have some time. Thanks. Cam

http://www.sendspace.com/file/fapxs0

Airwick
10-04-12, 08:51 AM
New tac for you to test please Airwick if you have some time. Thanks. Cam

http://www.sendspace.com/file/fapxs0

Will give it a go next week.


This week is the last round of the FFL, after that I will focus more on the OTL again!

Cam F
15-04-12, 05:28 PM
Cool. Looking forward to seeing how it does, probably shite :lol:.

If you need any tested, give us a shout.

and another 1 please to be tested, a wee variation of an existing tac of mine - http://www.sendspace.com/file/92lm2n

Elliott
17-04-12, 01:20 PM
Cool. Looking forward to seeing how it does, probably shite :lol:.

If you need any tested, give us a shout.

and another 1 please to be tested, a wee variation of an existing tac of mine - http://www.sendspace.com/file/92lm2n

I'll give this a whirl today.

Elliott
17-04-12, 02:00 PM
Initial feedback: I left it running while I walked the dog and it was 2004 (started 2001) when I returned - they won the champs league in 2003.

I shall give full results later when I have 10 lots of 1st seasons.

Elliott
17-04-12, 03:59 PM
Okay,

Norgev2[/B Results

34 24 8 2 66 16 80
34 27 6 1 68 18 87
34 28 4 2 74 15 88
34 24 6 4 71 24 78
34 24 6 4 70 24 78
34 22 11 1 54 13 77
34 20 8 6 64 29 68
34 22 10 2 63 18 76
34 25 8 1 71 16 83
34 24 7 3 71 18 79

Averages

Wins: 24.0
Draws: 7.4
Losses: 2.6
For: 67.2
Against: 19.1
Points: [B]79.4

Cam F
17-04-12, 04:07 PM
Cheers for that. Did pretty rubbish tho, some highs & lows. Thanks for testing it tho.

Elliott
17-04-12, 06:11 PM
You won the league about half of the times though, not bad.

Elliott
18-04-12, 07:27 AM
New tac for you to test please Airwick if you have some time. Thanks. Cam

http://www.sendspace.com/file/fapxs0

Testing this one today. Already tried it in MLS with Sporting Kansas City and found it worked very well - would have won the league at a canter if it weren't for the playoffs at the end of the season and having a good quarter of my small squad (that included 5 left backs) injured for the final. Also didn't help that for some bizarre reason once in the playoffs the players felt the club was suddenly underachieving and the board got unhappy too - some processing error deep within the machinations of the data I'm guessing. They did come around once I won the Open Cup and the league was done with though.


442CJF Results

34 23 4 7 72 27 73
34 28 5 1 75 20 89
34 29 3 2 91 22 90
34 27 6 1 83 21 87
34 27 3 4 80 26 84
34 28 4 2 93 19 88
34 30 4 0 87 22 94
34 28 4 2 84 19 88
34 27 4 3 85 24 85
34 28 4 2 88 25 88

Averages

Wins: 27.5
Draws: 4.1
Losses: 2.4
For: 83.8
Against: 22.3
Points: 86.6

Won the league in all but the 1st season of the 10, and note the 7th one - unbeaten all season in the league. Not bad at all Cam and better than the other one it seems!

Cam F
19-04-12, 12:07 PM
Another new tac Airwick to be tested please -

Cheers Elliott, that is amazing. Thanks, well pleased with those stats. Man, that was 1 dodgy season from beating IodineCF confortably :lol: and with a 442 to boot.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/mu4kvw

Elliott
20-04-12, 09:12 AM
Another new tac Airwick to be tested please -

Cheers Elliott, that is amazing. Thanks, well pleased with those stats. Man, that was 1 dodgy season from beating IodineCF confortably :lol: and with a 442 to boot.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/mu4kvw

No worries. I'm gonna steal Airwick's thunder again and test this one too.

Elliott
20-04-12, 11:16 AM
Knocking Results

34 23 6 5 80 45 75
34 23 7 4 76 36 76
34 25 5 4 81 33 80
34 21 7 6 82 45 70
34 19 7 8 72 47 64
34 21 6 7 77 37 69
34 24 3 7 79 32 75
34 27 3 4 81 29 84
34 24 5 5 87 36 77
34 25 4 5 89 39 79

Averages

Wins: 23.2
Draws: 5.3
Losses: 5.5
For: 80.4
Against: 37.9
Points: 74.9

Cam F
20-04-12, 11:22 AM
Cheers Elliott. Knocking did shocking :lol:

Elliott
20-04-12, 11:38 AM
It weren't the greatest. Not enough defenders basically, although I also wonder if de Graafschap's relative lack of players for the positions required was also a factor.

Cam F
21-04-12, 09:16 AM
Hi Airwick, hope your haveing a good weekend. Would you be able to please add the table to the OP? Want to know if 442CJF beat iodineCF. I think iodineCF averaged 88 but maybe i'm wrong but can't think many have got as high as 86.6.

Airwick
21-04-12, 06:44 PM
Hi!

Will look into it! Hopefully I have some time to this tomorrow!

Airwick
22-04-12, 10:57 AM
janis

Can you please test this?

4-3-3 FIFA 11 VP
http://www.sendspace.com/file/56d3t9

Can someone upload this again? Thanks!

Janis89
22-04-12, 11:25 AM
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4rtpqa 4-3-3 FIFA new

It`s the same tactic , but a few changes to player instructions , non wib\wob.

Can I also post the wib\wob version in line for testing?

:ok:

Airwick
22-04-12, 11:35 AM
Table is updated with scores of DWS V, !Gameplay!, Norgev2, 442CJF and Knocking. Thanks for testing Elliot & yangsaoen!

Airwick
22-04-12, 11:36 AM
http://www.sendspace.com/file/4rtpqa 4-3-3 FIFA new

It`s the same tactic , but a few changes to player instructions , non wib\wob.

Can I also post the wib\wob version in line for testing?

:ok:

Thanks! The wib/wob version is also very welcome!

Cam F
22-04-12, 12:59 PM
Thanks Airwick & Elliott. Well chuffed it came in at number 3 with a 442. Just gutted that 1 bad season cost it from beating iodineCF comfortably and being number 1.

info0
22-04-12, 01:19 PM
LOL:D

Cam F this testing is hit and miss to be fair. iodine CF never ever performed that well for me, when I holidayed with Airwick save. It usually bottled ~82/85 points mark. ;)

The only tactic I remember doing as in table was Tapani 442 (the one with 6e at the end).

So cheer up. You could easily claim 1st place (as I don't know what to do anymore to top anything :lol:) ;).

Haniel
23-04-12, 03:46 PM
Elliot or Airwick

Wish

Please test this tactic http://www.mediafire.com/?uac6v5v32bclku5

thaaanks

Cam F
23-04-12, 05:07 PM
Elliot or Airwick

Wish

Please test this tactic http://www.mediafire.com/?uac6v5v32bclku5



thaaanks

That is one dodgy tac name bi the way, straight up :D.

Cam F
23-04-12, 09:24 PM
Not very original I must admit but IodineCF meets 433. Credit to Tap & little me. Far too much time on my hands.

Anyway, actually does really well for a 3 striker tactic and all 3 strikers bang in the goals in both tests with clubs & De Graaf.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/s8ku1r

Gyfli
24-04-12, 10:36 AM
Hi everyone!
Gift from green goblin.
Surely not the best out there but try it out.
https://rapidshare.com/files/1248790721/Osborn_revenge.tct

4-3-3

GK- DL - DC - DC - DR - DMC - MC - MC - FC (b-arrow) - FC - FC(b-arrow)

DMC and central FC are key players.

This tactic allowed me to place Semi-Pro team from Poland in CL semi final, also won 1 or 2 matches using only grey players.

IMO better in defence than in offence.

Fods
24-04-12, 03:24 PM
Nice one Gyfli :ok: good luck man

Airwick
24-04-12, 05:33 PM
Elliot or Airwick

Wish

Please test this tactic http://www.mediafire.com/?uac6v5v32bclku5

thaaanks


Not very original I must admit but IodineCF meets 433. Credit to Tap & little me. Far too much time on my hands.

Anyway, actually does really well for a 3 striker tactic and all 3 strikers bang in the goals in both tests with clubs & De Graaf.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/s8ku1r


Hi everyone!
Gift from green goblin.
Surely not the best out there but try it out.
https://rapidshare.com/files/1248790721/Osborn_revenge.tct

4-3-3

GK- DL - DC - DC - DR - DMC - MC - MC - FC (b-arrow) - FC - FC(b-arrow)

DMC and central FC are key players.

This tactic allowed me to place Semi-Pro team from Poland in CL semi final, also won 1 or 2 matches using only grey players.

IMO better in defence than in offence.

Hey guys!

Will give them a go Saturday. Another massive update will also be posted Saturday!

rfury95
25-04-12, 01:18 PM
Hi, I'm Korean User.

This file is famous tactics in Korea.

Please test this tactics!

4-3-3v2(4-1-2-2-1)
http://www.mediafire.com/?ej7ge3l7snxfwfd

Double Volante CC(4-2-1-2-1)
http://www.mediafire.com/?ldcwi1fkubwggvn

20tan(4-1-3-1-1)
http://www.mediafire.com/?30sanwrmpr2oatl

Dermotron
25-04-12, 07:54 PM
W_M

http://www.sendspace.com/file/c0r9qc

Please Airwick, in your own time mate :ok:

Airwick
25-04-12, 10:14 PM
Hi, I'm Korean User.

This file is famous tactics in Korea.

Please test this tactics!

4-3-3v2(4-1-2-2-1)
http://www.mediafire.com/?ej7ge3l7snxfwfd

Double Volante CC(4-2-1-2-1)
http://www.mediafire.com/?ldcwi1fkubwggvn

20tan(4-1-3-1-1)
http://www.mediafire.com/?30sanwrmpr2oatl


W_M

http://www.sendspace.com/file/c0r9qc

Please Airwick, in your own time mate :ok:

Great to see new tactics coming in! Will give them a go saturday!

Cam F
25-04-12, 10:26 PM
Fuck it, why not. http://www.sendspace.com/file/6i0zsg

WelshRed
25-04-12, 11:37 PM
Airwick, if you have a big backlog the. Let me know and I will help out again when I get chance, may take me a fortnight tho ;)

Cam F
26-04-12, 10:25 AM
Airwick, if you have a big backlog the. Let me know and I will help out again when I get chance, may take me a fortnight tho ;)

+1.

Busy today studying//preparing for a job interview that is tomorrow but can fit in a few tests to help out seeing as I have provided quite a few to be tested recently so only fair.

I will do the 3 Korean tacs later today & post results.

AMC
26-04-12, 10:27 AM
Best of luck with the interview mate.

technoir
26-04-12, 11:32 AM
i cant find genius steals in download section, help please

Dermotron
26-04-12, 11:42 AM
i cant find genius steals in download section, help please

Post #38 . . . .



I reckon Airwick will add it to the next tactic pack due out at the weekend :) (may have misread him saying this though :P)

Cam F
26-04-12, 02:40 PM
Hi, I'm Korean User.

This file is famous tactics in Korea.

Please test this tactics!

4-3-3v2(4-1-2-2-1)
http://www.mediafire.com/?ej7ge3l7snxfwfd

Double Volante CC(4-2-1-2-1)
http://www.mediafire.com/?ldcwi1fkubwggvn

20tan(4-1-3-1-1)
http://www.mediafire.com/?30sanwrmpr2oatl

Tested all 3 today.

4-3-3v2 - Av 65.7
Double_Volante_CC - Av 64.1
20tan - Av 64.3

4-3-3v2 - Av 65.7

34 19 10 5 61 29 67
34 12 13 9 54 37 49
34 17 10 7 59 32 61
34 18 6 10 59 42 60
34 21 9 4 62 27 72
34 20 11 3 50 20 71
34 15 13 6 50 32 58
34 23 6 5 61 24 75
34 18 8 8 52 33 62
34 26 4 4 78 29 82

Double_Volante_CC - Av 64.1

34 20 7 7 62 36 67
34 24 6 4 58 23 78
34 14 6 14 50 49 48
34 18 7 9 61 44 61
34 15 11 8 54 32 56
34 18 8 8 53 34 62
34 20 5 9 57 30 65
34 18 11 5 54 33 65
34 23 6 5 63 29 75
34 20 4 10 56 31 64

20tan - Av 64.3

34 19 5 10 59 34 62
34 17 8 9 49 33 59
34 22 5 7 61 31 71
34 21 9 4 58 30 72
34 19 7 8 58 36 64
34 14 9 11 51 34 51
34 20 5 9 52 34 65
34 16 9 9 57 42 57
34 22 6 6 60 34 72
34 22 4 8 58 31 70

Airwick
26-04-12, 09:49 PM
Thanks for testing Cam!

WelshRed
26-04-12, 11:43 PM
Star man cam, Airwick let me
Know if there's more - I am off Sunday and can fit at least one on :) haha

Airwick
28-04-12, 02:24 PM
New results of Revolutionary, Super SFT-a01, Superb 4-1-3-2 James Davies, Tactical Dream, Tolga, topsecretproject, Trial v1[1].huh, trithizWON-1, UltimateForce, Urban Legend1, 4-1-3-2 Needs More Guns, 3-4-3, 4-2-3-1, 4-2-4 Ravish, Everyday I'm Shuffling, Talent Borrows, test8, The Non-Shuffle, WM 0.1, 4-3-3 FIFA new, iodine433, Sexuality, Osborn Revenge, W_M and 4231tapCF:

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/results-10.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/results2-7.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/results3-5.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/results4-2.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/results5-2.png


Table is updated, including scores of post 76 (thanks Cam!)

Check the first post for the new table!

Janis89
28-04-12, 04:49 PM
Thanks for the testing guys :ok:

info0
28-04-12, 05:09 PM
Should I start from scratch now? Would people give a damn? :D

Vote now yes/no. You have time till 24:00 GMT today :lol:. If you don't... I will send Heskey to you ;).

Janis89
28-04-12, 05:11 PM
Yes start from scratch info0 .

I`m gonna start on a 4-5-1 Norway kind of tactic and we will see if it turns out to something.

Cam F
29-04-12, 10:39 AM
Wow, a tac with 3 strikers doing well in the OTL, time for a new career game with 3 cracking stikers me thinks :D.

rfury95
29-04-12, 01:05 PM
Thanks for testing :)

Dermotron
02-05-12, 11:32 PM
Hi Airwick, can I get this tested please?

Lopsided_L1

http://www.sendspace.com/file/20qmjy

info0
03-05-12, 08:45 AM
http://www.mediafire.com/?fznjkj9rv19sw9w ;)

If you would be so kind to test it ;).

Airwick
03-05-12, 08:54 AM
Hi Airwick, can I get this tested please?

Lopsided_L1

http://www.sendspace.com/file/20qmjy


http://www.mediafire.com/?fznjkj9rv19sw9w ;)

If you would be so kind to test it ;).

Will give them a go Saturday!

Airwick
05-05-12, 12:57 PM
Here are the results of 4-1-3-2 Paris-SG, SomethingDiabolical, CanITopItOff, Lopsided_L1 and 4-3-3 DTL OTL:
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/results-11.png

check the first post for new table!

info0
05-05-12, 01:02 PM
Absolutely done terrible -.-

Back to the drawing board... Again:P.

AtomicAnt
05-05-12, 10:17 PM
Can you test this please? Its the old Valerenga_IF_433 with some minor adjustments. Id like to see how well it performs.

Valerenga_IF_NEW (http://www.sendspace.com/file/4vsqtx)

Cam F
08-05-12, 10:07 PM
Hi Airwick,

Got another new tac I am quite enjoying. Could you please test it?

http://www.sendspace.com/file/lg86ur & also another tac that does well http://www.sendspace.com/file/fwpu90


Does well with MU but then most teams do but still ok results on holiday.

http://img28.imageshack.us/img28/1061/clipboard01al.jpg

Thanks

Cam

AMC
08-05-12, 11:55 PM
2 goals conceded! :hail:

aneximandros
11-05-12, 10:31 PM
That's insane, indeed! I have seen single-digits conceded before but never anything below 5. I must download!!!

vult
11-05-12, 11:05 PM
http://www.sendspace.com/file/kaccuc
Try it out :)

Fods
11-05-12, 11:47 PM
Haniel, is that you?

vult
12-05-12, 12:09 PM
Haniel, is that you?
And who's Haniel?:>

info0
12-05-12, 01:36 PM
Nah it cannot be him. Haniel names his tactics in OTT manner :lol:

vult
13-05-12, 12:21 AM
Nah it cannot be him. Haniel names his tactics in OTT manner :lol:
I don't get the joke:> Maybe I'm too sober:>

Germaniac
16-05-12, 09:21 AM
Who have highest avg goals? Is it No defence with 90,6 (rank 92)?

Dermotron
16-05-12, 09:25 AM
Without even looking I think so. When Cam F posted the tactic at 1st, the goals scored was ridiculous, even compare with his other goal beast, DWS_v2

Micheloo
19-05-12, 12:46 AM
www.sendspace.com/file/d972g7

Try this tactic plx

Elliott
20-05-12, 03:15 PM
Here you go Micheloo

MY - REAL MADRID

34 13 10 11 62 50 49
34 14 10 10 60 52 52
34 12 9 13 40 41 45
34 19 6 9 63 44 63
34 13 10 11 52 53 49
34 13 10 11 56 51 49
34 10 7 17 44 49 37
34 12 7 15 49 53 43
34 21 6 7 61 46 69
34 17 9 8 67 48 60

Average points: 51.6

Cam F
25-05-12, 09:21 PM
Not doing a Haniel but is this on hold? Up for testing some tacs if you want. would like to see how me new tacs do, not that i'm overly fussed, just interested.

Airwick
29-05-12, 09:39 AM
Hey guys! I'm very busy atm with the last preparations for our wedding Friday next week. After that I'm going on honeymoon to Italy and will be back at the end of June. After that I will pick up the testing!

Cam F
29-05-12, 04:57 PM
Good luck Airwick. Glad you are taking such an active role in the planning of your wedding. My Mrs did all that & I just turned up on the day looking handsome.

All the best, had your stag do yet?

abiyubi
31-05-12, 02:13 AM
I have a problem?? I use 442CJF tactic.Playing with tottenham .Had a excellent squad but the strikers not score to much.Team generaly doesnt score .My third season goal avarage in league 85-90 in 38 matches.Sorry for bad english . My squad Gk:Mandanda Lb bale: Rb Walker Cb Pepe Cb Davson Ml:Ananiadze Mr:Lennon Lmc:Huddlestone Rmc Pastore Lfc Dayro Moreno Rfc:Thomas Muller.

Fods
31-05-12, 02:21 AM
Thats pretty good goal to game ratio if you ask me...nearly 2.5 goals per game is not enough :lol:

abiyubi
31-05-12, 02:30 AM
226

How this hapens with Manu? Why does not with Tottenham? with better squad

Fods
31-05-12, 02:47 AM
I bet to differ that Tottenham have a better squad and I think Cam was using original data so the team back in 2001 for Man united was Immense, van Nist, Beckham, Keane etc...

abiyubi
31-05-12, 03:01 AM
Thanks for reply. In the first page i have seen a picture Ibrahimovic stats was insane which tactic was it? And what do you think is the best Tactic ? with players avarage ratings.
I will try 442CJF with orginal players . it may score more i wish :)

Fods
31-05-12, 05:47 AM
Try FodFod2CF:)

Also any Tapani created are immense :ok:

Cam F
31-05-12, 07:41 AM
Most of the top tacs in OTL don't score much as they are tight defensively hence doing well by not taking as many risks.

I prefer silly formation tacs that score goals like DWSv2or No Defence in 0102 & DWSv5 (info0's tac) in 0001.

abiyubi
31-05-12, 07:31 PM
I always play 3.9.60. tactics effective difference between 3.8.60 and 3.9.68 i think. i share a tactic abiyubiff it is brillant 3.9.60 but not as much as 3.9.68. I think there is a difference between 3.9.68 orginal database and march 2012 ubdate because of player changes?? I love more scoring tactics and good player rating tactics. some of tactics are good goal scoring but not get good player rating i especially wanted have goal scoring with high ratings.By the way having good defence annd concede less goal does not rise the deffenders ratings am i right?

abiyubi
01-06-12, 06:10 AM
What do you think dwsv2,dwsv3 or dwsv5 which is better?

Fods
01-06-12, 07:57 AM
Check out the table in the OP

Cam F
02-06-12, 10:26 PM
What do you think dwsv2,dwsv3 or dwsv5 which is better?


I'm biased but think DWSv2 (mine & Tapani's combo) is the best. Does better playing than testing hence me winning CL with a welsh team & Fods doing it with an Irish team.

vult
13-06-12, 11:13 PM
http://www.sendspace.com/file/dpjuv1

Really decent tactic. Worked fine on holiday mode, test it please:)

macgyver
18-06-12, 12:42 PM
Please sombebody upload faz44 Genius steal :help:

edit Found it!

Janis89
21-06-12, 12:15 AM
If this could be tested?

Used it with City , Juventus and Rosenborg with great success .

Bought "correct" players to fit the formation though.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/pyi86p

Cam F
24-06-12, 08:49 PM
Another Tapani inspired tactic. Makes a change from recent efforts that were not.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/tghg0z

http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/333/clipboard01ia.png


http://youtu.be/oDxlzFbYfHY

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/7176/clipboard01sh.png

And some tests with the might Doncaster

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/955/clipboard01ai.png

http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9366/clipboard02t.png


http://img594.imageshack.us/img594/7962/clipboard05j.png

Grantus86
18-07-12, 06:13 PM
Hopefully right place to post this, so many categories!

Anyway... I have always played CM with a ready made tactic downloaded from iodine to WWW2 and so on. I thought I'd add more fun to my game if I had a go at attempting my own tactic. Only realised that wibwob was when I joined here, I just always thought it was something already set up!

Anyway I'm testing this new tactic on a new game I just created with Norwich. I started off my game using Valarenga 433 but my results were very mixed so decided to have a shot myself.

I haven't altered anything in databse and I've only signed two players (Sol Campbell and Joe Lewis). It's a 4-1-2-3 formation with wibwob done by myself as well.

The last game I played using Valarenga 433 was the 1-1 draw with Swansea, the first game I used my own tactic was the game straight after in the cup against Ipswich.

Fixtures:

http://i.imgur.com/Qsdn3.jpg

Here is the overview:

http://i.imgur.com/kopzr.jpg

Here is wib:

http://i.imgur.com/QWWqN.jpg

and here is wob:

http://i.imgur.com/EC7oH.jpg

I have no idea if the tactic is at all similar to any other tactic out there, I just remember reading that a DM is important as is one or three strikers so that's all I have added from tips.

Not sure what else I need to add so let me know, thanks.

Grantus86
18-07-12, 06:19 PM
If you wanna look at it in depth or tweak or test or whatever then...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2dth68

Grantus86
19-07-12, 09:21 AM
It definitely needs a tweak on the defensive side of things, scoring goals but keeping few clean sheets!

ebfatz
19-07-12, 10:21 AM
http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/333/clipboard01ia.png


:eek:
Cam, what year 04 is that for you to have won that many leagues?
2204?!

Great looking tac! Less than 6000 conceded in all that time!

:ok:

Cam F
20-07-12, 09:46 AM
:eek:
Cam, what year 04 is that for you to have won that many leagues?
2204?!

Great looking tac! Less than 6000 conceded in all that time!

:ok:

2204 :lol:

Cam F
21-07-12, 07:35 AM
Has Airwick given up on this thread?

... or just enjoying married life and living with the missus.

Hope all well Airwick.

Mark
24-07-12, 10:51 AM
He moved house as far as I know which is why he gave running up the FFL. Probably just hasn't got the internet in his new place yet.

Airwick
25-07-12, 04:05 PM
Has Airwick given up on this thread?

... or just enjoying married life and living with the missus.

Hope all well Airwick.

Hey! It's been a while, but I'm still here ;) Will give the new tactics a go as soon as I have some time. Probably next Saturday during the Olympic cycling race.

I'm enjoying the married life very much. We had a nice honeymoon and now we are having a lot of work making our garden the way we want, so I don't have a lot of spare time at te moment...

Cam F
25-07-12, 05:01 PM
Glad to hear that, been busy myself with work so if you want to help out with our garden once you have finished, with your gardening skills that would be greatly appreciated :D

and up for helping with testing also so feel free to pm me some to help out.

ich1
25-08-12, 01:39 PM
someone need to continue this thread.

Airwick
28-08-12, 09:38 AM
Hey guys,

as you can see I don't have done a lot of testing lately. I don't want this to die, but I need some help with the testing. To get that going I will create small tactic packs for people to test (up to 5 tacs). You can post the results in this thread and I will try to update the league table every two weeks. I hope you guys like this idea...

I will upload the first packs probably Thursday.

ich1
28-08-12, 11:45 AM
great.count me in.

Cam F
30-08-12, 12:59 PM
Happy to test also as said before but is there even 5 tacs to test since the last lot? I know I had 2 submitted tho :D but quite hopeful they will do well so fingers crossed this starts up after a 3-4 month hiatas.

ich1
30-08-12, 01:06 PM
i did test Hmmn.i think it is better than iodineCF. :clap2:

Airwick
30-08-12, 03:36 PM
I've got a few hundred tactics lined up ;) Old tactics, but there might be some suprises...

Cam F
30-08-12, 05:00 PM
I've got a few hundred tactics lined up ;) Old tactics, but there might be some suprises...

Crafty Airwick. In that case then yeah, still up for spreading the tac testing load.

Airwick
31-08-12, 09:29 AM
First packs will be up tomorrow morning :)

Airwick
03-09-12, 09:19 AM
Can you test this please? Its the old Valerenga_IF_433 with some minor adjustments. Id like to see how well it performs.

Valerenga_IF_NEW (http://www.sendspace.com/file/4vsqtx)


http://www.sendspace.com/file/kaccuc
Try it out :)

Can you guys upload this tactics again?

Airwick
03-09-12, 09:21 AM
Can you test this please? Its the old Valerenga_IF_433 with some minor adjustments. Id like to see how well it performs.

Valerenga_IF_NEW (http://www.sendspace.com/file/4vsqtx)


http://www.sendspace.com/file/kaccuc
Try it out :)


www.sendspace.com/file/d972g7

Try this tactic plx


http://www.sendspace.com/file/dpjuv1

Really decent tactic. Worked fine on holiday mode, test it please:)


If this could be tested?

Used it with City , Juventus and Rosenborg with great success .

Bought "correct" players to fit the formation though.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/pyi86p


If you wanna look at it in depth or tweak or test or whatever then...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/2dth68

Can you guys upload this tactics again please?

Airwick
03-09-12, 09:27 AM
Started to test again and I am creating some packs to test. Will give a update later this week!

Dermotron
03-09-12, 09:32 AM
Good stuff Airwick :ok:

Airwick
03-09-12, 09:33 AM
We are back in business ;)

alex05ok
09-09-12, 04:19 PM
Hi
Were can i find a link to download the first 5 tactics?

ty

Dermotron
09-09-12, 04:21 PM
Downloads > Tactics

alex05ok
09-09-12, 04:47 PM
I can't find them.
There are all kind of tactics but i cant see these tactics.
Can you give me a link pls?

TY

Dermotron
09-09-12, 05:09 PM
There is Airwicks tactics packs. The list of the tactics are in an image in the description

evesham
12-09-12, 11:56 AM
Hi dermo, yeah there's loads of tactics but nothing posted in the last month or so from Airwick

Dermotron
12-09-12, 12:03 PM
He'll post them when they are created :ok:

Airwick
13-09-12, 06:03 AM
I tested a few of the requested tactics. Results will be up in the weekend. Next tactic pack is also coming soon!

George_Roberto
13-09-12, 05:29 PM
What the best tatic created in cm??? Iodine???
Is there any tactic that never loses???
Thanks

info0
13-09-12, 05:32 PM
There is none such tactic and probably never will be ;).

Goofy
14-09-12, 09:25 AM
There is none such tactic and probably never will be ;).

What about my unbeatable 1-0-3-1-5?

Cam F
14-09-12, 10:48 AM
There is none such tactic and probably never will be ;).


Or a tac I have never released called unbeatablesolution :ok:

Airwick
15-09-12, 06:19 PM
Or a tac I have never released called unbeatablesolution :ok:

Release it! ;)

Airwick
15-09-12, 06:24 PM
Here are results of VRB, 4411CF, Hmmn, AjaxTotalVoetball, 4-4-2v22, 5-3-2v1:
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/results-12.png

The table will be updated at the end of the month with more results.

Airwick
15-09-12, 06:30 PM
I've created some testing packs for you guys to help me out. You can find them and the instructions in the first post!

Cam F
15-09-12, 09:10 PM
Hail Airwick :hail:

Surprised Hmmn did so shit but the other two did ok :D

I will do one of those packs but doubt will be this week as away tomorrow and got hectic week next week.

Germaniac
16-09-12, 03:40 AM
Release it! ;)
Surely a joke

faz44
18-09-12, 06:25 PM
Can I claim one of my tactics? Talent Borrows is one of mine, which was the counterpart to Genius Steals.

Janis89
18-09-12, 08:16 PM
4-3-3 non wib\wob - http://www.sendspace.com/file/009zoi

George_Roberto
20-09-12, 01:32 AM
Iodine is the best tatic in cm??? Because this tatic is number one in open tatic league!!! Am I right???

info0
20-09-12, 05:15 AM
How many times will you ask the same question? :rolleyes:

Grantus86
22-09-12, 05:51 AM
Can you guys upload this tactics again please?

here you go man. deffo needs a tweak concedes more than i'd like.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/dbhfyc

Cam F
23-09-12, 06:25 PM
Taken pack 7 to test. Will do them during the week.

Edit- They are all non-wib/wob, is there any point testing them? I've tested the MV ones before & didn't do that great.

Airwick
23-09-12, 09:08 PM
Thanks Cam. I test every tactic I get my hand on, because I want the OTL to be as complete as it can get ;)

faz44
27-09-12, 01:33 AM
Sorry to be the biggest pestilance since locusts but three more of my tactics made the list but don't have my name by them:
WM V0.1
Everyday I'm Shufflin'
The Non-Shuffle

Like Talent Borrows, they were posted when the old board went down.

faz44
27-09-12, 06:02 PM
CM4.

Grantus86
15-10-12, 01:47 PM
is my tactic poop? i'd imagine so

Haniel
17-10-12, 10:55 AM
wonder if this topic is still alive

hawthorino
22-10-12, 03:34 PM
hi guys, just a little observation, i've used iodinecf on holiday mode and its been awesome obviously, but when i use in human controlled game its doesn't seem to do as good?....i wondered if there would be a difference in the tactics league if the games were not holiday?

Janis89
22-10-12, 03:44 PM
Could you please test these two tactics for me ? :)

http://www.sendspace.com/file/01a4iw 4-3-3 wib to the wob offside

http://www.sendspace.com/file/t92ir6 4-3-3 wib to the wob no offside

My best creation yet , and I am a rookie deluxe :D

Airwick
22-10-12, 06:17 PM
Could you please test these two tactics for me ? :)

http://www.sendspace.com/file/01a4iw 4-3-3 wib to the wob offside

http://www.sendspace.com/file/t92ir6 4-3-3 wib to the wob no offside

My best creation yet , and I am a rookie deluxe :D

Will give it a try when I have some time, hopefully this weekend. Been pretty busy with my work :(

Haniel
25-10-12, 12:14 PM
:wave::wave:
http://www.mediafire.com/?lg4739wyudxdn88
:tup:

spyda2
03-11-12, 07:07 PM
anyone still have the 4-2-3-1 tactic that fazz44 had made.. and can you provide a link.

Thank you

Cam F
04-11-12, 12:12 AM
What's the name & i might ;)

spyda2
06-11-12, 12:51 AM
I think it was 4231fazz not sure..

stntt
06-11-12, 01:05 AM
go to post 11 mate. tactic name is Genious steals.

mollybolly
07-11-12, 03:59 PM
Can you pleassse test this one?

http://www.sendspace.com/file/elgj6h

stntt
09-11-12, 11:35 PM
Cam F sorry sir please reupload 4411CF...Link not working...

Francis
10-11-12, 04:34 PM
Damn, good to see this forum is still going and people still give a shit about my tactics (which must be 5years+ old!). Will check out some of the hot new tactics. Keep up the good work!

Cam F
10-11-12, 05:24 PM
Cam F sorry sir please reupload 4411CF...Link not working...

http://www.sendspace.com/file/5ixnae

stntt
10-11-12, 07:25 PM
CamF grazie capo...Thank you boss....

Tó Madeira
11-11-12, 12:41 PM
hi there, whenever you can, may you please this one:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/ivdtyt

thanks and keep up with the good work :rockon:

faz44
19-11-12, 01:13 AM
I have two new tactics I'd like to add to the list. The first is called False Nine (http://www.sendspace.com/file/lbzh4y), the other is called The V (http://www.sendspace.com/file/r39s8t).

EDIT: To the guy who wanted one of my tactics, all my tactics are listed in my bio section on my profile along with their current rankings in this list.

EDIT 2: Three more, I'm sorry. I found some half-finished tactics on my laptop.
Making Plans for Nigel (http://www.sendspace.com/file/q2zt1o), Faz meets FazZz (http://www.sendspace.com/file/m1edg7) and Pyramid 0.1 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/c6u8fs)

Goofy
27-11-12, 10:47 PM
Making Plans for Nigel

Great song :ok:

spyda2
28-11-12, 02:21 AM
I have two new tactics I'd like to add to the list. The first is called False Nine (http://www.sendspace.com/file/lbzh4y), the other is called The V (http://www.sendspace.com/file/r39s8t).

EDIT: To the guy who wanted one of my tactics, all my tactics are listed in my bio section on my profile along with their current rankings in this list.

EDIT 2: Three more, I'm sorry. I found some half-finished tactics on my laptop.
Making Plans for Nigel (http://www.sendspace.com/file/q2zt1o), Faz meets FazZz (http://www.sendspace.com/file/m1edg7) and Pyramid 0.1 (http://www.sendspace.com/file/c6u8fs)



tHANKS

faz44
29-11-12, 09:10 PM
Great song :ok:

Thanks. When I looked at the overview, I thought "wow, that looks like the sort of negative shit Nigel Pearson might play" and thus the name was born.

Cam F
30-11-12, 09:07 AM
Right this seems to have died a bit, Airwick, not really up for testing random non wib-wobs you found, well not at this present moment.

Would be nice to see this on the go with folk helping but looks like just me & you when we can be bothered.

I will take the 5 latest added tacs to this thread (let me know if any have already been tested) & will post the results within a week :D

Airwick
30-11-12, 09:19 AM
Hey Cam, I haven't done any testing lately. If you put up the results I will create a 'final' table for now. I lost interest in testing the tactics for now. Maybe I will pick it up later. If people test tactics they are free to put in the results here and I am willing to update the table.

When I started this I hoped more people would get involved, but that just didn't happen. For me it is to time consuming now to do this on a regular basis.

WelshRed
30-11-12, 11:25 AM
Airwick, Can I suggest you speak with Chris 316, he is doing the Newsletter - maybe worth adding something in there about getting people to help out. I have very little time free at the moment, otherwise I would run a load :)

Cam F
30-11-12, 11:32 AM
Hey Cam, I haven't done any testing lately. If you put up the results I will create a 'final' table for now. I lost interest in testing the tactics for now. Maybe I will pick it up later. If people test tactics they are free to put in the results here and I am willing to update the table.

When I started this I hoped more people would get involved, but that just didn't happen. For me it is to time consuming now to do this on a regular basis.

That's what I was saying, only me & you & we can't be bothered & have more important things to do with our spare time.

Good shout WelshRed.

Edit - Been obssessed with 001 updating at moment so will be a bit before I test the 5 tacs I promised.

Cam F
20-12-12, 08:25 AM
Ooooooooooooooooft. We nearly had a new leader of OTL for 1st time in 2 years but 2 dodgy seasons stopped it but still managed an impressive 86.1 to take it to 4th.

Started testing again. Should have 5 done as promised by weekend. Hopefully that will inspire others to test. It doesn't have to be Airwick or me. All you do is test someone elses tac ten times per the OP. You could test 1 tac or as many as you like.

Cam F
20-12-12, 10:45 PM
Tested the 1st 5 tacs I found which funnily enough were a job lot from Faz.

I did 44 1 season tests, I stopped after 4 tests though for Pyramid 1.0 as it was a horror tac & not wasting anymore time testing tacs :lol:

False Nine - 74.7
34 26 7 1 71 24 85
34 21 6 7 63 28 69
34 26 4 4 69 19 82
34 22 7 5 74 28 73
34 24 5 5 74 34 77
34 20 8 6 64 32 68
34 19 7 8 68 36 64
34 26 4 4 75 28 82
34 20 6 8 72 42 66
34 25 6 3 80 32 81
The V - 84.8
34 25 5 4 77 19 80
34 24 7 3 67 22 79
34 30 3 1 77 13 93
34 25 7 2 66 19 82
34 30 2 2 99 27 92
34 26 5 3 79 25 83
34 27 4 3 80 23 85
34 25 4 5 78 28 79
34 31 2 1 79 13 95
34 24 8 2 78 17 80
Making plans for Nigel - 86.1
34 29 3 2 74 22 90
34 28 4 2 74 16 88
34 23 6 5 74 26 75
34 28 4 2 77 25 88
34 25 2 7 65 29 77
34 32 1 1 86 20 97
34 28 3 3 76 17 87
34 28 5 1 82 22 89
34 28 5 1 80 25 89
34 25 6 3 69 21 81
Faz meets Fazz - 80.05
34 25 5 4 76 24 80
34 25 4 5 83 33 79
34 26 5 3 77 28 83
34 26 3 5 71 19 81
34 24 5 5 81 31 77
34 29 0 5 88 29 87
34 27 4 3 85 26 85
34 21 9 4 65 26 72
34 27 3 4 68 28 84
34 23 8 3 68 31 77
Pyramid 0.1 - 40
34 13 8 13 62 61 47
34 10 3 21 54 67 33
34 9 11 14 49 60 38
34 12 6 16 61 75 42

faz44
29-12-12, 01:57 AM
Sorry, I should have withdrawn the pyramid, it's probably the worst tactic I've ever made. Even so, still wouldn't have been the worst tactic to ever made the list.

pinky2000
01-01-13, 12:31 PM
I just noticed the wib-wob in 442tapani_6e.tct (in Airwicks Pack1) and Genius Steals (pack9) are identical. Only the formation is different. Not sure if both tactics were created from the same person.

info0
01-01-13, 12:37 PM
Nope. Genius steals as name implies is based from stealing ideas from Tapani and was made by faz44 ;).

To be honest, most top 10 tactics could use this name including mine (only wob part though :P) :lol:.

But damn those work well... Don't they? ;)

You use what's best available to you. Simple as that.

Janis89
01-01-13, 01:00 PM
Nope. Genius steals as name implies is based from stealing ideas from Tapani and was made by faz44 ;).

To be honest, most top 10 tactics could use this name including mine (only wob part though :P) :lol:.

But damn those work well... Don't they? ;)


You use what's best available to you. Simple as that.
1234

nah dont need wib wob to win...

info0
01-01-13, 01:22 PM
That is true too, but some like to win almost all the time ;D.

Coys
01-01-13, 03:21 PM
You can win almost all the time with non wib wob too.

On one of my old Arsenal careers (dont ask), I went 4 seasons in the league without losing, 4-1-3-1-1 formation.

faz44
01-01-13, 05:06 PM
I just noticed the wib-wob in 442tapani_6e.tct (in Airwicks Pack1) and Genius Steals (pack9) are identical. Only the formation is different. Not sure if both tactics were created from the same person.

info0 summed it up, the formation is so closely based on 6e that I called it Genius Steals. It was originally an accident. Back in the old days of the Dugout and old versions of this forum, I went by the moniker of amancalledmikey. On the Dugout, I remember engaging with the granddaddy of DDL Dave Challinor to create a version of his Arrowhead tactics, which I imagine would be absolute crap if he released it now. It was selected for inclusion in Tapani's harder tactics patch. It never gets used by the AI but it's there. :)

When I came to update it for the new age, I was going to use 6e as a template and remove some of the issues you get with the formation, like a lack of productivity from the left striker. I decided to copy the WOB/WIB but tweak it so that the lone striker was always furthest up the field. I also made a few minor positional tweaks to keep the AMC as an AMC on the overview, thinking this would give me a good starting point. My intention was to overhaul it and have three up front as my old tactic did. My benchmark was Crystal Palace SI 02/03 data at the time and it went something like 44-2-0 in my first season. Needless to say, I didn't make a change.

info0
01-01-13, 05:39 PM
Oh I remember the MMM, I remember Arrowhead, SergOffv2 and few others :lol:.

Those were funny days.

faz44
01-01-13, 07:11 PM
My favourite was the Birdfoot, made by my internet chum Gareth07, who I used to chat with on MSN. He took elements of the WWW2 formation (the lone striker with a free role, the DMC/MC with through ball) and turned them up to 11, having four midfielders who did the same thing. I won the Second Division at a canter with my cheapo Huddersfield side. That's down in the 200s and his other formations, all entitled G07UK, are down lower than that.

Personally, I think the key to the OTL is having a formation that can change significantly if you change the Team Instructions. The Birdfoot doesn't suddenly become defensive if you play it Normal/No Pressing but, for instance, Genius Steals does. When I use GS now, I ALWAYS start as normal mentality/normal tacking/no pressing because teams just play direct or long ball, defensive, counter attacking and you can ship a couple of early goals. If the opposition want to attack me or have a normal mentality, I switch to the original GS instructions.

marcusw96
02-01-13, 09:06 PM
Just wondering whats the best formation that isn't wib wobed?

info0
03-01-13, 05:24 PM
4132

marcusw96
03-01-13, 08:51 PM
4132
I meant from the opens tactic pack or is that a formation in there?

info0
03-01-13, 09:18 PM
It's the default formation you can load in the game.

I believe it is the best in terms of non-wib wob unaltered formations in game.

marcusw96
03-01-13, 09:48 PM
It's the default formation you can load in the game.

I believe it is the best in terms of non-wib wob unaltered formations in game.
Ok thanks.

faz44
03-01-13, 11:42 PM
Wasn't there a default tactics league post?

Cam F
04-01-13, 08:11 AM
Wasn't there a default tactics league post?

That was the old forum. Will be a goner now.

montana5
08-01-13, 09:57 AM
Hi Cam F, could you please test my tactic ? Its based on iodineCF
http://www.sendspace.com/file/eyc28z

Cam F
08-01-13, 10:02 AM
:lol: Cam doesn't test tacs, I was helping out.

Like a lot of the forum it seems to have died a slow lingering death :(

I miss the old days of 3-4 years ago.

Dermotron
08-01-13, 10:34 AM
This thread's drop off can be contributed to no1 having a hope of creating a top tactic without it being iodine based.


In general, lots of the forum dies off because people would rather complain about it dying than do something about it. The amount of 'chatbox heroes' is over the top these days. "This should be done, that should be done" when anyone but the person making the suggestion should actually do it seems. Make the chatbox VIP again, and get people posting more imo ;)


I have offered to take over this about a month ago but nothing has come of it yet

Things are cyclical anyhow, some areas are as strong or stronger than ever. Stories, How Are You Doing, Football all flying. I know you guys cant see it but Updating is a strong as ever.

montana5
08-01-13, 10:46 AM
Sorry , dont test tactic ive putet on, its a shitty tactic. I will make better someday hehe

Cam F
08-01-13, 05:49 PM
This thread's drop off can be contributed to no1 having a hope of creating a top tactic without it being iodine based.


In general, lots of the forum dies off because people would rather complain about it dying than do something about it. The amount of 'chatbox heroes' is over the top these days. "This should be done, that should be done" when anyone but the person making the suggestion should actually do it seems. Make the chatbox VIP again, and get people posting more imo ;)


I have offered to take over this about a month ago but nothing has come of it yet

Things are cyclical anyhow, some areas are as strong or stronger than ever. Stories, How Are You Doing, Football all flying. I know you guys cant see it but Updating is a strong as ever.


Post of the year by Derm & agree 200% with him.

info0
08-01-13, 05:50 PM
This thread's drop off can be contributed to no1 having a hope of creating a top tactic without it being iodine based.


In general, lots of the forum dies off because people would rather complain about it dying than do something about it. The amount of 'chatbox heroes' is over the top these days. "This should be done, that should be done" when anyone but the person making the suggestion should actually do it seems. Make the chatbox VIP again, and get people posting more imo ;)


I have offered to take over this about a month ago but nothing has come of it yet

Things are cyclical anyhow, some areas are as strong or stronger than ever. Stories, How Are You Doing, Football all flying. I know you guys cant see it but Updating is a strong as ever.

Yes, but some ideas do get blocked all the way ;).

Sadly, I can understand that. When I had the idea to open Football Manager subforum (still would want one), I almost got shot (understandable). However, thinking in broader aspect, not limiting yourself, let's you see that you could get 10 times the movement and probably more fans to the site who a) never even touched CM before, b) old nostalgic fans who would try new updated DB for CM, c) those who may play both options.

We all know some people around here do play both games and sadly, limiting FM talking to SB/Gaming FM thread is kind of showing how stubborn people around here can be. It's quite amazing this site is rolling for almost 10 years (can't remember when it was founded though ~2004? 2005?). Probably even SI, couldn't have predicted, that there would be updates done for game they have released in 2000... ;)

But times change and fresh ideas are needed to keep going forward. Living off updates and few regular members now, may not last that long :(.

Hey, but that's just mine opinion (which is ridiculous as such, as I predicted the site to die 2-3 years ago, but it's still doing fine :peace:).

Cam F
08-01-13, 06:00 PM
I personally don't have a problem with FM having a subforum, it's shite anyway imo but good points info0 as always.

Anything to keep the forum alive sounds good to me. The dugout has vast FM threads but lacks a shoutbox so is impersonal.

faz44
09-01-13, 01:10 AM
I've said before, I'd contribute to the OTL when I could but we need to open-source the data.

Fods
09-01-13, 01:14 AM
Can we have a NSFW Babes forum where I don't have to spoiler all my posts and I can posts nice tight tidy shaven havens?

Cam F
09-01-13, 08:18 AM
Can we have a NSFW Babes forum where I don't have to spoiler all my posts and I can posts nice tight tidy shaven havens?

Tie your Kangaroo down sport.

Dermotron
09-01-13, 10:13 AM
I've said before, I'd contribute to the OTL when I could but we need to open-source the data.

All the tactics get posted, as do the results and the dev mode (?) in Tapani 2.19 patch is available to all. There's nothing really left to 'open-source'.

If you mean the spreadsheet with the table, its pointless having a lot people having it since only one of them could maintain the OP of this or another thread.

Cam F
09-01-13, 11:06 AM
I think iodineCF & the iodine based tacs could be topped, 442CJF was one bad season in 10 from comfortably beating it to number 1 & is nothing like iodine on wib/wob.

I would be up for assisting Derm in testing tacs along with others.

I just think Airwick's idea (7 tac packs to be tested), although good intentioned of testing loads of non wib/wob tacs set it back a bit.

We could still maybe test them over time but best to stick to testing tacs people have submitted first then move to the next stage.

kikivampy
09-02-13, 02:50 PM
Hello, i suppose someone tested the default tactics. Can you post the results please?
Thanks

info0
09-02-13, 03:03 PM
Red9 did it long time ago. Unfortunately the whole table disappeared after moving forums and I don't think there are as dedicated people to do it yet again :lol:.

I believe 4132 was the best out of the lot anyway ;).

kikivampy
09-02-13, 03:14 PM
If someone has this...I'm searching one the worst default tactic for a tough challenge!!!

Patinoz
09-02-13, 03:18 PM
4-4-2 def

bbones
22-02-13, 11:23 PM
I may be a lurker around these parts, but I would be willing to step out of the dark and test tactics with Dermotron and Cam F or even without their support.
Although I am probably not so interested in testing other peoples tactics, for the moment.
I am also interested in the probably very tedious task of optimising individual formations, and seeing if how they performs varies with the quality of the team and other variables. I will take a while to think about the way I want to proceed with testing, but I am definitely interested in trying to topple IodineCF.

I think that I am more likely to proceed with this in the longer term if I take quite a detailed approach. I guess I am most interested in optimising formations (as much as is possible) rather than testing lots of wildly different formations. At least to begin with.

I have one question,

Does anyone know if anything exists describing the inner workings of the match engine? Or if not, does anyone have any ideas for working things out in a sensible manner?
I would be interested in collating all of this information.

P.S. Hi I'm bbones.

Airwick
04-05-13, 03:41 PM
Hello guys,

I'm really sorry that the OTL has been dead for a few months now. I really don't have the time for it anymore. If someone wants to takeover here is the league table in excel: http://www.sendspace.com/file/5hgvit

Cam F
04-05-13, 05:21 PM
I might regret this but I will take this on.

ebfatz
04-05-13, 08:03 PM
Good work Cam!

You've done amazing work so far Airwick. The community salutes you. :hail:

Dermotron
05-05-13, 11:36 AM
I might regret this but I will take this on.

Great stuff Cam. Give me a shout if you wan't help running a few tests :ok:

Cam F
05-05-13, 11:58 AM
Great stuff Cam. Give me a shout if you wan't help running a few tests :ok: Excellent Derm. Thanks, I was hoping you might say that.
Could you test my 2 efforts for your tac challenges forOTL? that would be amazing if you could. I can test some of your also from thechallenge but might take me a while.
Here is the De Graaf save as Airwicks link had expired - http://www.sendspace.com/file/l8ibrz (http://www.sendspace.com/file/l8ibrz).
I also might need some help to be able to edit the OP.
A few things will change now I am running it tho, liketac pacs, i'm not going to be bothered with that, given downloads now seem toexpire in a month.
Another thing is unless some1 posts a tac in the OTLwhich makes it public & instead PMs me & doesn't want their tacavailable for download i'm game for that.
Some people don't want their tacs to be available to allbut themselves but want them tested for OTL to see how they would do &I am totally cool with that.

Dermotron
05-05-13, 12:18 PM
Can do Cam, but after today I'll away until next Saturday so wont get a chance :ok:

Cam F
05-05-13, 12:25 PM
Can do Cam, but after today I'll away until next Saturday so wont get a chance :ok: That's cool mate, no rush. We all have busy lives. I have a demanding job, a wife, 2 kids & run for my club & also play in my tennis club's team so my time is limited but would be a shame for this to die as it has for so long & with your challenges inspiring folk what better time for OTL to re-emerge.

Cam F
05-05-13, 04:58 PM
First results from ME taking over the OTL. 3 tacs tested with BoredOne1 by Super Stranger doing best with average 81.8 points. 4-3-3Tinker1 averaging 71.9 points & 4-1-3-2 Beastmode averaging 59.4 points. I am unable to update OP & also need to speak with Airwick to see how he made tacs with same points totals be separated. Good start lads, well done. When I have full control of thread I will have a top 20 table & then a full table.

4-3-3_Tinker1
34
26
4
4
78
23
82


4-3-3_Tinker1
34
20
7
7
65
32
67


4-3-3_Tinker1
34
24
7
3
71
16
79


4-3-3_Tinker1
34
23
6
5
64
29
75


4-3-3_Tinker1
34
22
5
7
72
38
71


4-3-3_Tinker1
34
19
10
5
63
37
67


4-3-3_Tinker1
34
17
11
6
62
44
62


4-3-3_Tinker1
34
20
11
3
65
25
71


4-3-3_Tinker1
34
21
8
5
75
37
71


4-3-3_Tinker1
34
22
8
4
61
28
74



340
214
77
54
676
309
719


BoredOne1
34
25
6
3
81
30
81


BoredOne1
34
28
2
4
79
18
86


BoredOne1
34
22
5
7
69
18
71


BoredOne1
34
25
5
4
81
28
80


BoredOne1
34
27
4
3
74
22
85


BoredOne1
34
24
7
3
71
27
79


BoredOne1
34
25
5
4
72
27
80


BoredOne1
34
29
2
3
77
19
89


BoredOne1
34
24
7
3
82
31
79


BoredOne1
34
28
4
2
77
22
88



340
210
47
36
763
242
818


4-1-3-2 beastmode
34
16
10
8
61
40
58


4-1-3-2 beastmode
34
16
8
10
62
45
56


4-1-3-2 beastmode
34
16
5
13
57
53
53


4-1-3-2 beastmode
34
17
8
9
50
35
59


4-1-3-2 beastmode
34
22
2
10
59
31
68


4-1-3-2 beastmode
34
18
2
14
43
36
56


4-1-3-2 beastmode
34
22
5
7
60
35
71


4-1-3-2 beastmode
34
15
10
9
38
39
55


4-1-3-2 beastmode
34
18
6
10
55
41
60


4-1-3-2 beastmode
34
17
7
10
43
28
58



340
177
63
100
528
383
594

Goofy
05-05-13, 05:28 PM
I am unable to update OP

Should be able to fix that - just need to find a post of yours that's older than Airwick's OP and merge it into here, they it 'should' be the first post......... will go have a fiddle

Goofy
05-05-13, 05:33 PM
Could be difficult - your join date was 03-03-12, exact same date that Airwick started this thread :lol:

Cam F
05-05-13, 05:38 PM
My join date was back in 2007 but with this being what the third or fourth incarnation since then of the forum :lol:

Goofy
05-05-13, 05:39 PM
Yeah, i think we moved to the new server just before that date! Could always lock this thread and start a new one - either that or move some older posts to an 'archive' thread........

Cam F
07-05-13, 03:43 PM
So will I open a new thread with same name & then this thread be locked & some kind soul paste all the posts across?

Would be nice to take ownership of this and get it started properly.

Airwick
08-05-13, 01:48 PM
Great to see you picking this up Cam! Good luck!

Cam F
08-05-13, 02:00 PM
Great to see you picking this up Cam! Good luck!

NP, your legendary thread is too GOOD to die. I might need to get you to edit the OP for me as we can't or we might need to delete this thread & transfer the posts over to a new thread.

Mind those packs you made up, if you pm the tacs that had been wib/wobbed I will test them. Not going to bother with the non wib/wob ones.

Airwick
08-05-13, 04:56 PM
What do you mean with me editing the OP? Tell me what to do! :)

Most of the tactics I still have are nonwibwob, so there is no point for testing them.

kikivampy
10-05-13, 05:38 PM
The savegame "de Graafschap" can't be download...Can you put it again?

Centurion
10-05-13, 06:20 PM
Is it still possible to post up some tactics for testing?

Sam
10-05-13, 10:01 PM
Is it still possible to post up some tactics for testing?

had my latest tactic tested last week so i'd say yes

Goofy
10-05-13, 10:32 PM
First post is all yours now Cammy :ok:

Cam F
11-05-13, 02:22 PM
First post is all yours now Cammy :ok: Thanks Goofy. OP updated.

AtomicAnt
11-05-13, 03:33 PM
Can you test this tactic? I call it Möbius and it's a 3-2-2-2-1. The key player is the leftmost DM who acts as a false DC without ball.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/q0u9dc

Cam F
12-05-13, 05:09 PM
Can you test this tactic? I call it Möbius and it's a 3-2-2-2-1. The key player is the leftmost DM who acts as a false DC without ball.
http://www.sendspace.com/file/q0u9dc Did quite well. Averaging 71.9 points & entering OTL table at 121 out of 498 tactics submitted.

MöbiusAA
34
29
3
2
87
26
90


MöbiusAA
34
20
10
4
70
36
70


MöbiusAA
34
23
6
5
78
30
75


MöbiusAA
34
24
7
3
74
25
79


MöbiusAA
34
26
4
4
76
28
82


MöbiusAA
34
28
4
2
82
25
88


MöbiusAA
34
22
6
6
70
30
72


MöbiusAA
34
23
8
3
82
32
77


MöbiusAA
34
28
3
3
81
22
87


MöbiusAA
34
18
6
10
63
40
60



340
221
57
42
763
294
780



I have also added a new top 20 table in OP so the best tacs are easier to read as almost 500 tacs tested now.

Cam F
12-05-13, 09:05 PM
Tested Revolution_9 averaging 72.8 points & 224th position in OTL


Revolution _9
34
14
17
3
59
35
59


Revolution _9
34
21
8
5
73
30
71


Revolution _9
34
22
5
7
62
23
71


Revolution _9
34
22
6
6
65
35
72


Revolution _9
34
23
6
5
72
29
75


Revolution _9
34
24
4
6
74
34
76


Revolution _9
34
25
6
3
73
30
81


Revolution _9
34
26
3
5
75
36
81


Revolution _9
34
20
8
6
61
32
68


Revolution _9
34
22
8
4
59
22
74



340
219
71
50
673
306
728

SuperStranger
13-05-13, 07:49 PM
Yo Cam F ! Can U test my new tactic....? You know which one.

Centurion
14-05-13, 02:18 AM
Can you please test these 2?

3-5-2 Mark 1
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8khqao

3-5-2 Mark 1 b
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6tnkfb

Cam F
14-05-13, 08:49 AM
Yo Cam F ! Can U test my new tactic....? You know which one.


Can you please test these 2?

3-5-2 Mark 1
http://www.sendspace.com/file/8khqao

3-5-2 Mark 1 b
http://www.sendspace.com/file/6tnkfb


Will test these at weekend i'd imagine as really busy in work at present with the start of new tax year.

Centurion
14-05-13, 09:31 AM
Great Cam, thanks!

Cam F
20-05-13, 07:23 AM
3 tacs tested yesterday. Few more to go so early this week new table should be up.

SuperStranger
20-05-13, 10:20 AM
In my mind - "did i came to top ten" :)

Cam F
20-05-13, 12:58 PM
Not sure, I haven't got round to adding up the 10 seasons yet. Takes long enough testing 30 1 seasons for 3 tacs.

Dermotron
20-05-13, 01:46 PM
Use the bench.bat option of the 2.19 mate, allows you run more than one run of a tactic at a time :ok:

Cam F
20-05-13, 07:07 PM
I tried that having 2 on go but one would get a read write error on 1 while the other worked so sticking to 1.

Cam F
20-05-13, 09:45 PM
This is why I kept this thread going. SuperStranger aka Haniel flies straight in at number 2 in OTL with a variation also in the top 20. Well done, so close to topping IodineCF.

3-5-2 Mark 1

34

18

9

7

64

40

63



3-5-2 Mark 1

34

19

7

8

63

32

64



3-5-2 Mark 1

34

20

7

7

62

38

67



3-5-2 Mark 1

34

18

9

7

62

39

63



3-5-2 Mark 1

34

22

5

7

54

26

71



3-5-2 Mark 1

34

19

6

9

69

38

63



3-5-2 Mark 1

34

22

6

6

64

36

72



3-5-2 Mark 1

34

19

6

9

63

38

63



3-5-2 Mark 1

34

21

8

5

69

29

71



3-5-2 Mark 1

34

20

10

4

68

36

70




340

198

60

59

638

352

667



3-5-2 Mark 1 b

34

16

11

7

56

35

72



3-5-2 Mark 1 b

34

19

7

8

56

33

64



3-5-2 Mark 1 b

34

16

12

6

58

37

60



3-5-2 Mark 1 b

34

15

12

7

70

43

57



3-5-2 Mark 1 b

34

18

7

9

60

35

61



3-5-2 Mark 1 b

34

21

5

8

63

29

68



3-5-2 Mark 1 b

34

22

3

9

67

34

69



3-5-2 Mark 1 b

34

17

6

11

56

40

57



3-5-2 Mark 1 b

34

16

7

11

59

41

55



3-5-2 Mark 1 b

34

18

11

5

58

28

65




340

158

81

80

603

355

628



451 Freestyle

34

29

4

1

82

16

91



451 Freestyle

34

28

3

3

82

21

87



451 Freestyle

34

26

6

2

74

23

84



451 Freestyle

34

27

4

3

85

27

85



451 Freestyle

34

29

4

1

78

26

91



451 Freestyle

34

25

7

2

72

23

82



451 Freestyle

34

26

3

5

73

22

81



451 Freestyle

34

28

1

5

82

34

85



451 Freestyle

34

30

3

1

82

19

93



451 Freestyle

34

28

6


84

32

90




340

276

41

23

794

243

869



451 Freestyle (alternative)

34

28

4

2

94

18

88



451 Freestyle (alternative)

34

22

6

6

79

39

81



451 Freestyle (alternative)

34

28

5

1

85

16

89



451 Freestyle (alternative)

34

28

3

3

82

21

87



451 Freestyle (alternative)

34

25

7

2

77

26

82



451 Freestyle (alternative)

34

25

7

2

76

23

82



451 Freestyle (alternative)

34

28

5

1

82

19

89



451 Freestyle (alternative)

34

28

4

2

75

19

88



451 Freestyle (alternative)

34

27

5

2

81

21

86



451 Freestyle (alternative)

34

26

4

4

87

20

82




340

265

50

25

818

222

854



QPR 3-6-1

34

19

10

5

53

29

67



QPR 3-6-1

34

18

10

6

59

34

64



QPR 3-6-1

34

17

5

12

44

30

56



QPR 3-6-1

34

16

6

12

36

33

54



QPR 3-6-1

34

20

7

7

51

29

67



QPR 3-6-1

34

14

14

6

53

36

56



QPR 3-6-1

34

15

14

5

46

28

59



QPR 3-6-1

34

15

8

11

48

39

53



QPR 3-6-1

34

13

8

13

42

38

47



QPR 3-6-1

34

12

11

11

44

41

47




340

159

91

88

476

337

520



I will eventually get round to doing a full new table but not just yet as it will take AGES to do :lol:

Airwick
21-05-13, 07:33 AM
Great work Cam!

What do you mean with making a new table will take ages?

Cam F
21-05-13, 08:00 AM
Great work Cam!

What do you mean with making a new table will take ages?

Putting the new tacs in then amending the numbers from what they were previously, then taking about ten screenshots to get one giant table doesn't overly excite me. Spent all my freetime after work yesterday testing, then adding up on the calculator. I can see why it gets a chore :lol:

I might just ditch the previous position & just have 1-600 & write New next to a tac if it is new :D

Airwick
21-05-13, 08:11 AM
Haha, that's right. Ditching the previous position is maybe a good idea ;)

Good luck!

Cam F
21-05-13, 07:59 PM
I would like if people have time to test a few of mine for OTL. The save is in the OP & here are the tacs - http://www.sendspace.com/file/kdotb2 , http://www.sendspace.com/file/1atcig & http://www.sendspace.com/file/amkf98

SuperStranger
21-05-13, 08:45 PM
first

i try test urs. Cam

fast edit :

1. 2nd place :shocked:

2. nice new styles of new tactics Cam :bolt:

Centurion
22-05-13, 11:50 AM
Thanks Cam! I was convinces the 'b' tactic was better. Actually, I was convinced the tactics in general were better haha!

Killer
28-05-13, 10:24 PM
Hello, I'm Killer and I am from Italy.
Can you test my tactic pleace?

The tactis is 343...
http://dfiles.eu/files/m8gejsk01

06-06-13, 09:05 PM
Hello all,

I take it most if not all of the tactics have an element of wib/wobbing?

Cam F, I don't suppose that spreadsheet has a hidden column that identifies whether a tactic has an element of WB? Would be interesting to see how non WB tactics have performed.


Cam F
07-06-13, 07:12 AM
No hidden columns. 95% of tacs will be wib/wobbed. I don't get the big deal about non WB/WB, if you look at non wib wob tacs except some of the default tacs which surprisingly have been WB/WBd then they look like they would not work in the game which they usually don't. Even just WB/WBing so the tac looks the same all the way up is better than a non WB/WB tac.

Cam F
14-06-13, 05:00 PM
I have 2 tacs to test, Killers & another one someone posted in a tac thread. Been busy with work & when not been playing 0001 tbh with my amazing Zidane game. Will be testing again soon.

Cam F
20-06-13, 07:19 PM
Tested 2 tacs & thanks to Derm for testing mine which was a disappointment to me :lol: 343 Killer averaged 72.9 points, 343 Aggressive averaged 79.7 points & 3233WM CF averaged 75.4 points

343Killer
34
21
6
7
69
32
69


343Killer
34
21
6
7
69
39
69


343Killer
34
22
8
4
68
34
74


343Killer
34
26
5
3
73
23
83


343Killer
34
20
6
8
70
31
66


343Killer
34
20
11
3
74
37
71


343Killer
34
22
7
5
72
31
73


343Killer
34
19
8
7
63
28
65


343Killer
34
25
6
3
78
33
81


343Killer
34
25
3
6
70
26
78



340
221
66
53
706
314
729












3-4-3 Aggressive
34
27
3
4
76
32
84


3-4-3 Aggressive
34
23
3
8
87
48
72


3-4-3 Aggressive
34
25
3
6
93
40
78


3-4-3 Aggressive
34
27
4
3
78
25
85


3-4-3 Aggressive
34
26
5
3
88
32
83


3-4-3 Aggressive
34
25
6
3
72
26
81


3-4-3 Aggressive
34
25
5
4
84
28
80


3-4-3 Aggressive
34
25
3
6
67
27
78


3-4-3 Aggressive
34
24
8
2
76
22
80


3-4-3 Aggressive
34
23
7
4
71
32
76



340
230
47
43
722
312
797


3233WM CF
34
25
6
3
71
26
81


3233WM CF
34
20
9
5
56
28
69


3233WM CF
34
10
10
6
65
32
64


3233WM CF
34
26
5
3
77
37
83


3233WM CF
34
20
10
4
66
25
70


3233WM CF
34
19
10
5
71
43
67


3233WM CF
34
27
3
4
67
19
84


3233WM CF
34
26
7
1
79
23
85


3233WM CF
34
21
9
4
59
26
72


3233WM CF
34
24
7
3
76
36
79



340
218
76
38
687
295
754

Killer
28-06-13, 03:21 PM
I have another tactics to test. I hope that with this tactics I improve my score. xD

http://www.sendspace.com/file/bbl81r

Cam F
28-06-13, 07:53 PM
I have another tactics to test. I hope that with this tactics I improve my score. xD

http://www.sendspace.com/file/bbl81r Will rest it. You should change the name though as 4.3.3 Killer when it is a 451 (41221 if I was being a smart arse :lol: ) is a bit misleading.

Killer
28-06-13, 08:56 PM
Will rest it. You should change the name though as 4.3.3 Killer when it is a 451 (41221 if I was being a smart arse :lol: ) is a bit misleading.

I'm sorry. Name changed. I modified my old tactic and I had not changed the name.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/bl7wrx

Cam F
30-06-13, 04:29 PM
New entry at number 18 from Killer, a nice consistant tac that proves yet again that 451 & it's various incarnations seems to be the ultimate CM0102 formation. It was one bad season from being top ten or top five

4.3.3 Killer

34

28

4

2

76

22

88



4.3.3 Killer

34

25

8

1

70

27

83



4.3.3 Killer

34

25

5

4

72

30

80



4.3.3 Killer

34

28

2

4

74

21

86



4.3.3 Killer

34

28

3

3

74

17

87



4.3.3 Killer

34

26

3

5

67

20

81



4.3.3 Killer

34

26

5

3

71

21

83



4.3.3 Killer

34

29

3

2

76

13

90



4.3.3 Killer

34

23

5

6

69

24

74



4.3.3 Killer

34

28

3

3

79

26

87




340

266

41

33

728

221

839

ich1
02-07-13, 10:01 AM
cam, i dont find 4411CJF here in OTL.someone need to test it.i think can be top 5.

Fods
02-07-13, 10:05 AM
Did FodFod2CF ever get tested, couldn't see it in the top 5

Cam F
02-07-13, 04:57 PM
See I shouldn't even say this as I now run OTL :lol:

but there is a big difference between holiday tacs and playing with a tac. Fods has a good point, FodFod2CF is a corking tactic as is DWSv2 yet they are probably not in the top 50 (might be wrong) of OTL.

I like my tacs to score goals and my players to play well, I've never like iodine based tacs to use as they win/win but aren't the biggest scorers or avg rating & I play for fun.

Think 4411CJF might have been tested or 1 of my 4411 has been, if it's the one in my tac pack that I gave a wink after then yeah, I think it could be a top 5 candidte but I can't test my own tacs you see.

Personally my fave tac if I play 0102 is 442CJF but if I want fun is DWSv2 or the monster that is nodefence :D I don't tend to use other people's tacs but info0's DWSv5 is probably my favourite ever CM tac tho my Zidane version of it might have overtaken it in my eyes recently as Zidane has almost got 60 goals from central midfield , not attacking midfield which is a hell of an achievement for me.

Killer
05-07-13, 09:38 PM
Excuse me, Cam. I am a perfectionist and seeing the results of my 451 I decided to make an evolution that allowed the team to score more goals, trying to contain the goals conceded. This 451 (41221) is a 433 masked. Players side of attack in fact attacking the space running to the door, greatly increasing (compared to my initial 451) the number of goals scored in a season and I hope, also the number of points. Thanks for your patience and for the time that I steal to test my tactics.

Ps. I have written in Italian and then translated with google translator. I apologize for any errors.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/pmscfj

Cam F
07-07-13, 08:07 PM
I will test it but i'm not testing the same tac with different variations all the time. The save is in the OP so you can test it yourself until you are happy then submit it for OTL, otherwise I will quickly lose interest in OTL.

colml
07-07-13, 10:27 PM
Hey Cam could you test this if you geta a chance, no rush, cheers
http://www.sendspace.com/file/kxki7o

Cam F
18-07-13, 08:48 AM
Apologies but with this nice weather there won't be any testing going on for a while as i'm spending my evenings playing tennis or running.

Cam F
15-08-13, 07:02 PM
Excuse me, Cam. I am a perfectionist and seeing the results of my 451 I decided to make an evolution that allowed the team to score more goals, trying to contain the goals conceded. This 451 (41221) is a 433 masked. Players side of attack in fact attacking the space running to the door, greatly increasing (compared to my initial 451) the number of goals scored in a season and I hope, also the number of points. Thanks for your patience and for the time that I steal to test my tactics.

Ps. I have written in Italian and then translated with google translator. I apologize for any errors.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/pmscfj Download expired, I think I downloaded it in July but don't know what it is called.

Cam F
15-08-13, 08:42 PM
Tested 2 new tacs. Info0's 4132b1 & Colml's 22222 although I remember seeing a very similar tac previously which has been tested i'm sure but anyway -

22222
34
23
7
4
71
32
76


22222
34
19
10
5
71
37
67


22222
34
21
6
7
75
43
69


22222
34
22
8
4
83
46
74


22222
34
18
9
7
65
40
63


22222
34
25
3
6
85
37
78


22222
34
25
4
5
83
34
79


22222
34
22
7
5
76
35
73


22222
34
25
3
6
74
36
78


22222
34
27
5
2
83
31
86



340
227
62
51
766
371
743


info0-4132-b1
34
22
4
8
73
35
70


info0-4132-b1
34
22
7
5
63
29
73


info0-4132-b1
34
23
9
2
79
23
78


info0-4132-b1
34
22
4
8
61
23
70


info0-4132-b1
34
26
6
2
82
20
84


info0-4132-b1
34
27
3
4
72
22
84


info0-4132-b1
34
25
5
4
76
24
80


info0-4132-b1
34
27
5
2
79
25
86


info0-4132-b1
34
25
6
3
72
19
81


info0-4132-b1
34
28
5
1
75
19
89



340
247
54
39
732
239
795

1369phil
15-08-13, 09:15 PM
info0's DWSv5 is probably my favourite ever CM tac tho my Zidane version of it might have overtaken it in my eyes recently

On 01/02 ??

Cam F
15-08-13, 09:23 PM
On 01/02 ?? 0001. If I play 0102 I would use DWSv2, 442CJF or if I wanted a laugh Nodefence.

feyezuid
15-08-13, 09:38 PM
0001. If I play 0102 I would use DWSv2, 442CJF or if I wanted a laugh Nodefence.

I have tried a lot, but Anon oOoOo modified is my all-time favourite. 150 goals per league per season, less than 10 goals against... Monster of a tactic