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Airwick
03-03-12, 04:43 PM
I decided I would give it a try to start a tactic league.

The idea is that I will not be the only one testing the tactics. Everybody can test the tactics and post their results by using the same savegame I use. To help testing I created testing packs. You can them here:

http://www.sendspace.com/file/gmgx4b
http://www.sendspace.com/file/v0q4n9
http://www.sendspace.com/file/vmix78
http://www.sendspace.com/file/3y98nf
http://www.sendspace.com/file/w3rium
http://www.sendspace.com/file/s6utif
http://www.sendspace.com/file/0sd98l

If you decide to test one the packs please send me a pm or post in this thread so I can upload a new pack instead of the one you are testing. This way there will be no double testings ;) Results can be posted in this thread!

I will only contribute by providing the league table and insert the scores. Of course I will do some testing of my own.


For the tactic league I'm using the odb .68 version. I used the Tapani Patch 2.18 to increase the speed of the game. Testing will be done in Holland with de Graafschap. You can download the savegame here: http://www.sendspace.com/file/imiyeo

Some rules:
- Use the provided savegame
- You can only test tactics that are not your own! (if you want your tactic tested please post it in this thread)
- Holiday mode
- Usual rules of no buying and selling, use current tactic and don't change assistant's stats
- First season scores only count
- To get the score in the league you will have to post the result of the first season.

To get a place in the league the tactic has to be tested 10 times (first season only!)

Tactics tested in the Open Tactic League will be released in tactic packs. You can find the tactic packs overhere: http://31.222.136.27/showthread.php?278-Airwick-s-Open-Tactic-League-Tactic-Packs&p=589#post589

And please, if you have some feedback, post it!

Table: updated till post 88

http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/tl1-1.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/tl2-1.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/tl3-1.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/tl4-1.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/tl5-1.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/tl6-1.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/tl7-1.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/tl8-1.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/tl9-1.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic%20league/tl10.png

*Some of the formations have a C behind them. This means the formation is fully centralized. A formation like DWSv2 doesn't have a C because it has wingers, but OnlyGodKnowsWhy has a C because it has now backs, wingers etc.

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:49 PM
cryptographic

http://i.imgur.com/ldhd7.png

my best attack ibrah 51/98 and my best result graafschap test http://champman0102.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:49 PM
haniel

i will post here
http://www.mediafire.com/?o8bew3zc2c3rxm2
http://www.mediafire.com/?tc0bfs6f76lvvvg

i dont know which is better so i decided to realised both

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:50 PM
New results of 1-3-2-2-2, 3-4-3 - Offside Trap, 3-5-2 Press, 4-5-1 - Offside Trap v2, Attacking, Heim, jez41212, KNUT, knut2, TB 433 Estándar FB, Genius Steals, F.C. Barcelona, Aílton 4411v2 and !_(io next gen)_!:


http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic league/results-8.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic league/results2-5.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic league/results3-3.png




The table is also updated with the results of posts 727, 729 and 734.

A big thank you goes out to Ruben and welshred for testing a whole bunch of tactics. Great work guys! http://champman0102.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/thumb.gif

We have a few new tactics in the top 25, one of them even reached the 2nd spot! Check the first post for the new league table!

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:51 PM
Ooh, Genious steals. Well done faz44.

love it - only a matter of time until there is a new number 1.

IodineCF has been the number 1 for over a year but people are getting closer and closer to beating it.

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:51 PM
faz44

Oh my word, didn't expect that one. Thanks for the kind words.

I'm pretty open about what this tactic is, thus calling it what I did. I love 442Tapani_6e but elements of it didn't please me. Strikers seemed to be starved of goals in favour of central midfielders and the left striker scored a lot less than the right. Looking at the Wibble/Wobble, it looked a lot like a 4-2-3-1 to me and so I went back to my old tactic that is in the 3.xx Tapani patch (AMCM Arrowhead DDL v.2) and reworked the 6e with the Arrowhead's overall shape. I tweaked screens to make the lone striker the furthest forward, changed two WIB screens to keep the shape and I worked on the concept that if I had just one striker up front, that meant more players would be unmarked and score goals as they do in 6e. This tactic was a test tactic, just to see if the concepts would work in an arrowhead before I built a new one from scratch.

Crystal Palace 02/03 data is my benchmark. I holiday tested it and we won Division One at a canter. W44 D2 F137 A21 P134. Freedman led the line, Johnson played in behind and they scored 76 (41 and 35 respectively) between them in all competitions. Rubins got a further 25 off the wing. Not only did playing one up work in that I got more goals out of the non-scoring second striker, I also got a lot more out of the lone striker. Sure, I got less out of the central midfielders but it was giving up a third of my midfield goals to more than double the goals from the two forwards.

I thought it was powerful but I submitted it here for fun. I hoped to get in the top 50! I'm working on an inevitable sequel, which will likely suck.

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:52 PM
janis

Can you please test this?

4-3-3 FIFA 11 VP
http://www.sendspace.com/file/56d3t9

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:52 PM
Start now with the compliments to the man who heads all the tactics, an immense and valuable to all of us, thankshttp://champman0102.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

Then I wanted to ask two things, Genius Steals the tactic where I can find it? (sorry for the ignorance on the subject but I am beginnerhttp://champman0102.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

the second thing (which is probably not the right place, and I apologize in advance) is: I put the new database to start, and I noticed that the AR, many players have been revised in every way and it's very good, except that with the passage of time does not emerge regen worthy of retired players, could you explain to me how to put his hand in the creation of regen in a bit more 'heavy? Thanks in advance and please excuse the many questionshttp://champman0102.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:52 PM
Regens game code generation is broken. Tapani tried to fix it, but... I believe nothing happened.

The attributes are calculated, reset and spread accross when regen is created from original player (can't really remember now how this works, will have to find whole process). There can be stupid things happening. You definitely see 2 or 3 problems with regens... Low determination, low work rate and ridiculously high positioning with defenders.

For now, I believe, no-one achieved happy medium here, but it later on makes for good challenge...

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:52 PM
germ
#
Another tac, this time 100% Scratch
http://www.mediafire.com/?745ki885llio511

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:53 PM
evolucjiascesti

Link is OK, it works.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4J6PRFBY

Maybe in that moment didn't work but usually is OK.

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4J6PRFBY

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:53 PM
kikivampy

Ok, Can you test this?
I play with this tactic this 5 last years,
and want to situe it comparing with others.


http://www.sendspace.com/file/94uo4l

Thanks!!!

George_Roberto
05-04-12, 04:53 PM
You have the link genius steals?? Please

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:54 PM
faz44

I really think I shot my load on Genius Steals. Reworked it and the best I can come up with is something just not quite as good, which I call Talent Borrows (http://www.mediafire.com/?g39zig7s6eqot91), as there's a bit more of me in there.

I was also tinkering around with Haniel's 442FazZz tactic and reworked it as a 4-2-3-1, tweaking screens so it would hold the shape. This started amazingly on my benchmark but fizzled out across the season a little after Freedman was again sold to Arsenal for 5.25m. Need to do a whole new set of tests where nobody is sold. Anyway, I call this one Faz meets FazZz (http://www.mediafire.com/?42nl525q23lrop7).

I would appreciate it if you could test it when you next have a go around. Thanks guys!

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:55 PM
Thanks for the support guys!

@Haniel: please stop whining about your tactics. A lot of yours have been tested in the last few months. If you keep going on like this I might consider stop testing your tactics.

@everybody: Me & my girlfriend bought a house a few weeks ago and within 2 weeks we are getting the keys. As you can imagine we have a lot of work to do with packing and preparation for the renovation. Therefor I don't have a lot of time to test tactics and update the OTL table.
After Christmas there will be a new update and then it will be quiet for a while. I expect that I will pick it up in the end of January. This doesn't mean you can test tactics yourselfs and post the results in this thread.
I will update the table when I have the time with the posted results. If you are looking for tactics to test, just PM me and I will send you a few!

Dermotron
05-04-12, 04:55 PM
You have the link genius steals?? Please


Downloads > Tactics, it's in one of the tactics packs. you'll find it about 2 minutes :ok:

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:56 PM
faz44

Been doing some tactic testing, liked the cut of echo_1's jib but thought it could do with a modern overhaul. I've kept the overall shape but tinkered with the tactic under the bonnet. I've called it echo_2 (http://www.mediafire.com/?qbm045by09oeutd).

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:57 PM
Results of !_WTF_! MOD X, !_WTF_!, !Underground Tokyo!, =DA CLAW=, 1-2-3-2-3, 2_BACK2.3, 3-1-2-2-2, 3-1-2-3-1 South Korea, 3-1-4-2, 3-5-2 AWE, 3-6-1 Creative, 3-5-2 PAOK, 4-1-2-3BABE, 4-1-2-2-1 Titova Juga, Echo_2, All out attack, AWE-V2, Boston United, Christmas Tree, collaboration_v2[1].3, DDLSIBO, echo_1, G07UK1, G07UK2, Kyle, Van Basten, Roma, 3-4-3 Roma, 4-3-3 Mozambique, 4-2-3-1 warriors, 4-2-3-1 Vauxhall and 4-1-2-2-1 Titova Juga v2:


http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic league/results-9.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic league/results2-6.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic league/results3-4.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic league/results4-1.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic league/results5-1.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic league/results6.png
http://i1188.photobucket.com/albums/z405/erikblank1/tactic league/results7.png


Check the first post to see how they performed in the OTL table!

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:58 PM
haniel

huhu huhu guests arrive, the doors open on the width

http://www.mediafire.com/?yla05yxlanr69ya

please dont ban me, thx

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:58 PM
cam f

New tac to test when you have some time please Airwick.

Hope the house move went well.

http://www.mediafire.com/?9w3uw835ixurbrw

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:59 PM
yangsaoen

!Gameplay! and DWS V

!Gameplay!

34 30 2 2 70 15 92
34 28 5 1 75 19 89
34 29 3 2 87 18 90
34 22 7 5 64 20 73
34 25 7 2 76 20 82
34 25 6 3 82 24 81
34 24 8 2 74 19 80
34 28 3 3 72 17 87
34 29 3 2 77 17 90
34 27 3 4 78 22 84

DWS V

34 25 6 3 78 32 81
34 19 8 7 68 39 65
34 26 5 3 90 35 83
34 25 6 3 88 29 81
34 25 6 3 77 21 81
34 27 6 1 97 35 87
34 24 4 6 84 47 76
34 25 3 6 94 39 78
34 25 7 2 82 28 82
34 24 5 5 79 37 77

Patinoz
05-04-12, 04:59 PM
manucho

This tactic was tweaked but was worth in the de Graafschap savegame test...so i wanted to share too.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/hz97ln

Patinoz
05-04-12, 05:00 PM
spatvark


4-1-2-3 Needs More Gun
http://www.sendspace.com/file/uoy2vn

Self-testing with Airwick's de Graafschap save and rules. Bet it won't look so good when someone else tests it =P


# Pl W D L F A GD P
1 34 27 4 3 83 18 65 85
2 34 25 4 5 68 19 49 79
3 34 25 7 2 69 21 48 82
4 34 27 5 2 75 23 52 86
5 34 29 2 3 74 23 51 89
6 34 28 1 5 74 23 51 85
7 34 24 6 4 76 26 50 78
8 34 25 8 1 78 25 53 83
9 34 26 6 2 80 22 58 84
10 34 26 5 3 79 28 51 83
Ttl 340 262 48 30 756 228 528 834
Avg 34 26.2 4.8 3 75.6 22.8 52.8 83.4

Patinoz
05-04-12, 05:01 PM
haniel

im still dont know what will goes whit my !Gameplay! good result.... http://champman0102.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif

Patinoz
05-04-12, 05:01 PM
cam f


Don't be so frigging lazy. Add the score for 10 seasons up, divide by 10 & see where the average will go in the table.

!Gameplay!

34 30 2 2 70 15 92
34 28 5 1 75 19 89
34 29 3 2 87 18 90
34 22 7 5 64 20 73
34 25 7 2 76 20 82
34 25 6 3 82 24 81
34 24 8 2 74 19 80
34 28 3 3 72 17 87
34 29 3 2 77 17 90
34 27 3 4 78 22 84

Patinoz
05-04-12, 05:01 PM
haniel


84,8

Airwick please help me (whit add) .... http://champman0102.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

Patinoz
05-04-12, 05:02 PM
airwick

Haniel, I will add it later this week when I have the time. I have a busy live, so please stop with the wining about adding scores!

Patinoz
05-04-12, 05:02 PM
haniel

no problem mate, i just thinked you forget about me , and im not wining-kind-thinker , just happy what i can do http://champman0102.co.uk/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif

Patinoz
05-04-12, 05:03 PM
alright airwick, those are the last 3 or 4 pages from the old OTL thread, the first post was from the 01.12.2011

i just dumped it all in here but you obv need to look through the stuff and check what you need and delete the useless shit (mostly haniel crying)


do you need the OP as well? i wanted to copy it but forgot in the end but no problem getting it next time

George_Roberto
05-04-12, 05:05 PM
Downloads > Tactics, it's in one of the tactics packs. you'll find it about 2 minutes :ok:

Thanks Dermontron

George_Roberto
05-04-12, 08:02 PM
Patinoz: You have link tatic good steals by created faz44???

Patinoz
05-04-12, 08:03 PM
are you kidding me? i told you on the sb, i dont have it and then cam f even posted the link for you!

Airwick
06-04-12, 10:12 AM
Thanks Patinoz! Will look into it in the next couple of days. This is all I need for now!

Great work :)

bruno1982
06-04-12, 11:27 AM
can you repost please? thanks

Airwick
06-04-12, 11:52 AM
repost what?

bruno1982
06-04-12, 11:55 AM
the link for the tactic that George_Roberto asked in the replie above

Airwick
06-04-12, 01:31 PM
Will look in to it this weekend...