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Kingsley
03-11-14, 01:12 PM
Gattuso playing for Celtic :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

I don't know whether Rangers or Celtic fans would be more up in arms at that one.

Very glad you beat them. Just Roma and Barcelona to go.

troza
03-11-14, 01:35 PM
What is the portuguese for "bouncebackability" because you have certainly shown that. Hope you can get another couple of years out of CR7

Thome doesn't look like a loss.

I've been wondering... the word is in the point of my tongue but it won't come out. I would say something like "capacidade de resposta". But I have a feeling that I'm forgetting a better term/expression to write here.

RuiEsteves
03-11-14, 01:39 PM
Gattuso playing for Celtic :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
I don't know whether Rangers or Celtic fans would be more up in arms at that one.

what memory has in left with Rangers after his season there?



Very glad you beat them. Just Roma and Barcelona to go.

yeah, "just" as you say. Wait until you find out what happens next at Camp Nou...

BobMem
03-11-14, 02:12 PM
A steady 1-0 win. From small acorns...

RuiEsteves
03-11-14, 02:14 PM
Nov.27 / Pr.Liga (#12) – Vitoria Setubal v Santa Clara : 1-1
.goal : Ednilson
.assist : Bruno Melo
.MoM : -
-> It should have been an easy home game, but Setubal in spite of having their best team on the pitch, start slow. There's a great goal from Ednilson on 34', but quickly cancelled out by Vitor Vieira (40'), alone on the far post. Bruno Melo who is the creative mind of the team, has to go out injured (2-weeks) shortly after. Promoted Santa Clara will play the entire 2nd half down to 10-men after a red-card, and will resist all attempts by the locals. Os Guerreiros create some chances, but not that many. Vitoria share the points at home against a tier-3 team, are they losing steam?


Dec.3 / Pr.Liga (#13) – Infesta v Vitoria Setubal : 1-0
.goal : -
.assist : -
.MoM : -
-> The whole week Tito has pondered wat to do. The trip to Barcelona was coming up and some of his starters were on a downwards trend. He chose to rotate, keeping Bras, Binho and C.Ronaldo at home while Bruno Melo was injured. Infesta are bottom of the Liga and were in Secunda 2 seasons ago; and yet for the 1st time in a very, very long while, Os Guerreiros are dominated for one hour. Not only do they create nothing, but they lose the midfield battle and Marco Tabuas is busy... and inevitably, Infesta score on the 58'. Pena, Figo and Ednilson who are like zombies on the pitch, are subbed. Setubal will push for the last half-hour and could have scored, but they have to concede defeat against the last of the championship. What a blow.


This time, it's a real setback. 2 Draws and 1 Loss in the last 3 Liga games. Setubal are down to 3rd in the table, 1pt behind Boavista and FC Porto. And this is just before what is probably the most difficult game of the season: a trip to Camp Nou, where they will play for the first time in their long History, the legendary Barça side. Saviola and Nowotny will miss out, injured - but the line-up of the Blaugranas remains amazing :


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The back-3 are part of football's all time greats: Cannavaro, Wörns and Thuram. In the midfield, it hardly gets better than Giggs or Overmars, while the duo upfront is devastating: Elber-Kluivert. What a team. They also have 1W in the group after their (0-1) away vs AS Roma.


Dec.6 / Champions Cup (Phase 2, #2) – FC Barcelona v Vitoria Setubal : 4-0

It's a whitewash. Barça storm out of the changing rooms and take the Portuguese Champions by the throat. Os Guerreiros suffer terribly and will resist for 25' thanks to great saves by their captain Marco Tabuas. After that, they sink. With one goal each, in every half, Elber and Gerard are the heroes. Cannavaro is enormous. Tito has no answer for the passion and skills of the Catalunian side. His defense is beaten most of the time (Ouedraogo has a nightmare, so does Marco Tabuas in the end). In midfield, the lads are brave but capitulate (with Binho becoming the pet of Ryan Giggs). Upfront neither of ex-Camp Nou favourtie Luis Figo, C.Ronaldo nor Pena (who is under-par in this game) have any way to really take the fantastic back-3.


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In the changing rooms Os Guerreiros are really shattered. It's the worst defeat under Tito Forbs and this time, the coach is concerned this terrible series with that final cruel blow will remain in his players' minds for a long time. He looks at the match sheet: Barça 16 shots (11 on target) v Setubal 2 shots (1 on target). As he feared, the Champions Cup is another planet and the Spanish Champions were tonight 2 steps above their Iberian rivals. It's a tough one, a blow in the chin. Tito knows there could have been 6 or 7 goals. He looks at the schedule ahead: it's União Madeira in Bonfim, then away at Sporting and FC Porto! it's the turn of the season, react or sink. Coaching assistant Rui Lopes has the only good news of the night: As Roma have drawn (3-3) at Celtic Park, which means Setubal is in 2nd place with 3pts.

RuiEsteves
03-11-14, 02:17 PM
A steady 1-0 win. From small acorns...
Well this time, I got my ar*e handed on a plate. Proper. No contest against these guys, even the strongest of my lads were nullified by the class they were faced with.

troza
03-11-14, 02:32 PM
Well this time, I got my ar*e handed on a plate. Proper. No contest against these guys, even the strongest of my lads were nullified by the class they were faced with.

Still... 0-4 or 0-1 it is only one defeat.

Just focus on winning your games at home. If you win them, it might be enough to get to the next round.

And I will talk about me... Take the championship as a priority... it is very hard to win the european champion's cup without doing well in the domestic league, unless you already made lots of seasons and the league is now harder than the champion's league (cause... it just happens :P)

kuy
03-11-14, 02:46 PM
Wow, Barca have a strong team! But you've beaten Roma before, I think? So second place in the group is still up for grabs - just got to turn around this bad run of form :ok:

Kingsley
03-11-14, 03:22 PM
Forget about Barca. Can't undo history. You need to get some results and find that winning formula again. Sort out the league form and the Champions League will take care of itself.

RuiEsteves
04-11-14, 04:00 AM
And I will talk about me... Take the championship as a priority... it is very hard to win the european champion's cup without doing well in the domestic league, unless you already made lots of seasons and the league is now harder than the champion's league (cause... it just happens :P)

I thought I had enough depth to rotate my squad for some of the league games - because let's be honest, if I don't then I cannot possibly beat teams like Celtic 3 days later. I may however have to review my priorities since I started dropping too many points in the Primeira Liga.

RuiEsteves
04-11-14, 04:02 AM
Wow, Barca have a strong team! But you've beaten Roma before, I think? So second place in the group is still up for grabs - just got to turn around this bad run of form :ok:
I've drawn with AS Roma in Aug.04 (0-0) in the European Supercup, and won it on penalties. But yes, there's clearly been a sudden drop in form and I need to sort it out.

RuiEsteves
04-11-14, 04:04 AM
Forget about Barca. Can't undo history. You need to get some results and find that winning formula again. Sort out the league form and the Champions League will take care of itself.
For some reason my attacking trio has stopped being the wonder-3 they were from Aug to Oct. It needs sorting out.

RuiEsteves
04-11-14, 04:12 AM
Tito gathers the players after the Camp Nou routing. He restates how much confidence he has in every one of them and how good he thinks they are as a group, as team. Together they have moved mountains, together they shall prevail.

Dec.11 / Pr.Liga (#14) – Vitoria Setubal v União Madeira: 3-1
.goals : Figo, Nélson Veiga (2)
.assists : C.Ronaldo, Figo, Ednilson
.MoM : Figo
-> Only Pape Diop is rested after the Camp Nou spanking. It’s obvious Os Guerreiros are looking for redemption and they deliver a very solid game, with a superb Luis Figo (MoM), a warrior-like Nélson Veiga who scores twice from headers, and a composed Ednilson in midfield. It’s a re-assuring victory before the Alvalade clash.


It is the last game before the winter mercato and Forbs knows that Sporting CP remain their main rivals, along with FC Porto. They are the only teams that have the squad quality, depth and experience to really challenge Vitoria until the end. The lads are ready for the battle and apart from Ouedraogo (last match of suspension), the squad is complete.

Dec.17 / Pr.Liga (#15) – Sporting CP v Vitoria Setubal : 1-1
.goal : Pena
.assist : Tiago Silva
.MoM : -
-> There is a major roar in the Alvalade as ex-star and Sporting youth Luis Figo enters the pitch. No, he has not been forgotten. Both teams know how crucial this game is and will play a very cautious 1st half, with few chances on goal. On the 42’ Tiago Silva bends an indirect free-kick in the box, it’s packed but veteran Pena jumps higher, higher than keeper Silvio Luis and scores! (0-1). The Champions take the lead! Gradually, Sporting CP keep posession and push, but are not really dangerous until the 68’ when Marco Tabuas saves a header from Marius Niculae. In the following minutes, Setubal almost seals the game first when C.Ronaldo sees his header parried by Silvio Luis, then at 76’ when the same C.Ronaldo finds Figo free in the area who sees his attempt parried by the keeper. What a wasted opportunity, and it bites back Os Guerreiros as in the very last minute, Ricardo crosses for a clinical finish by Lopes. It’s (1-1).

It’s a good result but Forbs cannot help but think it could (should?) have been better. Lopes’ late goal is worth gold and keeps Sporting CP in the race, and the table stands as follows for the winter mercato :


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Pundits don’t really believe in Boavista’s title chances but between Setubal, FC Porto and Sporting CP – it’s all very open.

RuiEsteves
04-11-14, 04:19 AM
It’s again the same dilemna for Tito: to recruit or not to recruit? He’s got a full squad of 35 players (of which 3 youth from the Academy) with 2 on transfer-list (Fary and César Silva) for whom he has no offer, and the following experienced players at each position who get close to no playtime :

- DC : Matoukou, Pepe
- AMC : Marajo, Maniche
- SC : João Paiva, Tiago Mota

So the squad is solid at DC and DMC, no doubt – but recruiting an additional left-back has long been an objective. The trouble is, they’re not easy to find. There is also the Striker position. Pena has scored 14 goals in 22 games, he is still the deal - but Forbs looks beyond the statistics and sees his Brazilian forward is not as irresistible as a few months ago. He will soon turn 32yr-old and could tire out; Moreira has been a good sub as striker, but he is not in the same league so maybe it is time to recruit a high-profile goal-scorer.

AMC is probably the position where Forbs has the most choice: Figo, C.Ronaldo, Moreira, A.Correia, Felipe Oliveira, Marajo and Maniche… this time however when his faithful scout Pedro Figueiredo shows him his latest find, he knows he’s onto something… the deal is sealed, the transfer can be arranged and the Brazilian youngster may be in Portugal within a couple of days. It’s Tito’s decision.


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To the astonishment of Figueirdo, and just like for Diego last year, Forbs declines. He acknowledges the boy’s talent but he would be wasted, seated on the bench in a foreign nation. And he’s got 5 very good players already there waiting to come-in as AMC – and even youngster Hélder Mario who may soon contend. Nilmar is not coming to spend Christmas in Setubal.

RuiEsteves
04-11-14, 04:39 AM
There are several leads for the 2nd striker position but only two develop into quick negotiations; Nigerian John Utaka who is currently bench material with RC Lens, is a little too greedy and in the end it is the high-flying Portugal U21 international Ricardo who arrives from Racing Genk for a hefty £1.8m compensation. He gets a fat wage as well at £5.5k/w and a sign-on bonus of £140k. It’s all quite a lot, but then Setubal is now a rich club with £40m in treasury and this is a well-known fact on the transfer-market. He’s got amazing talent and some room to improve at 21yr-old, with one (serious) drawback: average in the air. Let’s see how he performs when given the chance; this transfer will of course upset João Paiva and almost burries the chances of Tiago Mota. Tito was particularly convinced when his Portugal U21 team-mates C.Ronaldo, Felipe Oliveira and Hélder Mario, told the coach how great a player he was.


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There was a player Tito has had an eye upon more or less since he took office at Setubal. A great African defender who had migrated on Scottish shores, almost on pre-retirement. Forbs had sent his scouts and made several attempts, but he wanted none of it. This time however, some interest was shown and Dundee were easy to convince with £1.5m; the player was tougher but Forbs decided it was worth exploding the wage ceiling at £9.25k/w and a £200k sign-on bonus. He would now have the option to field :


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Finally around at the same time, a bid came from Maritimo. Senegalese striker FARY only had 6-months left on his contract and was now struggling to make it to match sheet. For £375k he was gone to Funchal.


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Now he will have a very special place in the HoF of the club, having scored a superb 47 goals in 83 games, and won 15 MoM. His 2002/03 season will be particularly remembered, during which he created a special link with the Fans. He's got the UEFA Cup, European Supercup and Portuguese Cup on his CV as well. We wish him well for the end of his career on the islands of Madeira!

RuiEsteves
04-11-14, 05:06 AM
It was the last game of an unforgettable year 2005, the year Vitoria Setubal became Champions of Portugal. All players had had a week off and were now set for the 2nd consecutive clash, this time at the Dragão. Forbs had renewed his trust after a poor run of games these past few weeks, he was Os Guerreiros to redeem themselves. They would fail miserably.

Dec.30 / Pr.Liga (#16) – FC Porto v Vitoria Setubal : 3-0
.goal : -
.assist : -
.MoM : -
-> In 15' the game was lost. Porto could probably smell the kill, pushed hard from the start and opened fire on the 7' by Dario who was the quickest after a parry by Marco Tabuas. At 11', midfield battle was intense and Ednilson came-in with a charge in the back against a Portista. He was red-carded on the spot (and banned for 3-games). Forbs this time, was furious; it was a harsh call. Setubal was in groggy, and knocked-out when winger Clayton volleyed the (2-0) under the crossbar. There would be a 3rd goal before half-time. At 10 v 11, Vitoria did battle hard in the 2nd half and would have deserved at least a consolation. But the slap in the face was once again, very real.


Tito had to react. The team was losing its soul and its football. He had a few ideas. There was a Cup game ahead, away at Estoril (Secunda). He would rotate and give their chance to a few subs. Then, he would decide.

Jan.8 / Taça (Rnd.5) – Estoril v Vitoria Setubal : 0-3
.goals : Felipe Oliveira, Ricardo, Correia
.assists : Andrade, Teixeira, Moreira
.MoM : Moreira
-> The subs started. Of course Estoril was no FC Porto, but the game flowed very good and Forbs was in particular struck by the raw power of striker Ricardo who scored on his debut. His ability to push the defense and get into space was much better than Pena's. Moreira (MoM) held himself particularly well, Teixeira as captain, Bosingwa, Correia and Felipe Oliveira all were convincing.


A few days after the game one morning, captain Marco Tabuas came to see Tito as he was putting his final touches to the day's training schedule. At last! thought the coach, he must be coming to discuss plans to get out of this messy situation. He fell from a ladder as he heard his keeper ask for a wage increase. Forbs kept calm, politely refused and said he would see him down at the training grounds.

That was enough. Not only was such behaviour unacceptable for a captain, but furthermore when said captain had had sub-par performances over the last few weeks, if not months. He would take the following measures:

- Hugo Pinheiro would get his chance and start.
- Bruno Melo would be named captain, in interim.
- Ricardo would be given a chance and start as Striker, and if convincing, would remain a starter ahead of Pena.
- Paulo Teixeira would start at DMC during Ednilson's suspension - at least.
- Taribo West would start at DL - Rahim Ouedraogo benched, his 8-games ban had been very hard to swallow for Tito.
- Figo and C.Ronaldo had to step-up and would be under close watch, Moreira and Felipe Oliveira now in the starting blocks to take their spots.

Kingsley
04-11-14, 08:50 AM
Bad to lose to one of your closest rivals, but that is one tight league and there is still half a season to recover from that. There will be more twists and turns than a CR7 run before this season is over.

Looking forward to see what Terrible West does for you. I know that for many he is a legend, but for me he is the most overrated player ever. For me he appears to be always one tackle away from a red card and has lost me more games than he has won. I hope that you get the legend, but I'll be watching with interest.

Baron Zbimg
04-11-14, 09:31 AM
Nice recruits, even though West is more suited to play at CB. Ricardo has the look of a good striker, although not as good as Pena I think. What about trying Bocas upfront in the Cup Tito ?

troza
04-11-14, 11:02 AM
I would start Figo from the bench... he can't go the full game... just use him in the second half or the final 30 minutes when one of your AMC isn't playing well or you fell you need his star power. That's what I do with guys over 34/35 in positions that demand a lot from the players... I only start them at desperation times or if the others are with low morale and stuff like that. And they usually do some tricks in the first half of the season but then they just go down a bit... So... think about it: Figo had an amazing career and it is no shame to be a leader and show that even the best players can change roles and not always be the superstar of the team.

And about Pena... He will be very useful when the champion's league is back. I must admit that, after 30, you can't play him twice a week. Just use him on the league or in the champion's league in the starting 11... and Ricardo on the other game. You'll see that they will become better. The same can be said about Figo and even Taribo West (if he is over 34).

I say this and that's what I did with Alexandro Barreto, my star from 2022 to 2035... he still did amazingly good after the 30s and he won the prize of the best in the world at 34 but I would only use him around 12 games in the league (so he would end up as champion). I could have used him more but I had to use my main players in the portuguese cup :P But, of course, by 2022 I had a solid squad... ok, one or two years I had a hard time to win the league but I was able to to extremely well even with my second unit :P

RuiEsteves
04-11-14, 08:40 PM
Bad to lose to one of your closest rivals, but that is one tight league and there is still half a season to recover from that. There will be more twists and turns than a CR7 run before this season is over.

You're right. But the last 6 Liga games have been (1W, 3D, 2L). Plus the Barça routing in the middle. I see a trend and have got to make some changes.



Looking forward to see what Terrible West does for you. I know that for many he is a legend, but for me he is the most overrated player ever. For me he appears to be always one tackle away from a red card and has lost me more games than he has won. I hope that you get the legend, but I'll be watching with interest.

wot?? and this Sir you only tell me after I have signed him on a 3-years contract with the highest wage in my squad??...

RuiEsteves
04-11-14, 08:48 PM
Nice recruits, even though West is more suited to play at CB. Ricardo has the look of a good striker, although not as good as Pena I think. What about trying Bocas upfront in the Cup Tito ?
I see what you mean with West at CB, but it's definitely an additional LB I need as I have plenty of options at CB. I am very excited at having signed Ricardo (don't know if any of you have played him before, he is Ricardo Silva and starts at Canelas Gaia), he's really been a goal machine with Portugal U21 and has impressed on his debut. I have been itching to play Bocas upfront mainly upon the pressure of his agent Baron Zbimg, but for some reason Tito will have none of it and probably even less so now that Ricardo is on board!

RuiEsteves
04-11-14, 08:55 PM
I would start Figo from the bench... he can't go the full game... just use him in the second half or the final 30 minutes when one of your AMC isn't playing well or you fell you need his star power. That's what I do with guys over 34/35 in positions that demand a lot from the players... I only start them at desperation times or if the others are with low morale and stuff like that. And they usually do some tricks in the first half of the season but then they just go down a bit... So... think about it: Figo had an amazing career and it is no shame to be a leader and show that even the best players can change roles and not always be the superstar of the team.

Thanks for this wise advise. I had actually thought about this since he (and C.Ronaldo) are struggling to reciprocate their form of the start of the season. Figo has in particular missed a few great opportunities in front of goals, the one that comes to mind was vs Sporting CP into the 2nd haf which was potentially worth 3pts in the table (+2 for us, -1 for them, had we won the game). I think Tito is kind of mentally blocked to bench him, since we are talking about THE great Luis Figo and everyone from fan to president expects to see him start every game.



And about Pena... He will be very useful when the champion's league is back. I must admit that, after 30, you can't play him twice a week. Just use him on the league or in the champion's league in the starting 11... and Ricardo on the other game. You'll see that they will become better. The same can be said about Figo and even Taribo West (if he is over 34).

Pena's stamina is still 14, some of his other skills have started decreasing but he remains a very good player, although clearly not the fearsome striker he was. I will definitely have more than enough games to continue using him, but now his status as starter will depend on how young Ricardo fares and withelds the pressure.



I say this and that's what I did with Alexandro Barreto, my star from 2022 to 2035... he still did amazingly good after the 30s and he won the prize of the best in the world at 34 but I would only use him around 12 games in the league (so he would end up as champion). I could have used him more but I had to use my main players in the portuguese cup :P But, of course, by 2022 I had a solid squad... ok, one or two years I had a hard time to win the league but I was able to to extremely well even with my second unit :P

It seems you had quite a fantastic run with Barreirense all those years troza !

RuiEsteves
04-11-14, 09:36 PM
It was an away game at Faro. Local side Farense were having a decent season so far, sitting 8th in the table. Tito did exactly what he had announced to the players during the week and he could see the shock on the face of Marco Tabuas the iconic captain at being subbed, the disappointment of Pena and the distress of other strikers João Paiva and Tiago Mota.

Jan.15 / Pr.Liga (#17) – Farense v Vitoria Setubal : 0-2
.goals : Ricardo, C.Ronaldo
.assists : Teixeira, Ricardo
.MoM : Ricardo
-> it took 3' for Ricardo (MoM) to take the ball, dribble past 3 defenders and score the 1st goal. The team looked settled and the young forward had a great game, bringing his sheer power and giving the 2nd goal to C.Ronaldo. It was a clean victory and a heartening one.


Jan.20 / Pr.Liga (#18) – Vitoria Setubal v Vit.Guimarães : 3-1
.goals : Binho, Ricardo (2)
.assists : Nélson Veiga, C.Ronaldo
.MoM : Ricardo
-> Same line-up for the next game, which was not an easy one. Guimarães did not to come to just defend, they pressed hard and created several chances. A superb Binho had given Os Guerreiros the lead in the 1st half, but Mina equalized right before half-time and this was some killer blow. As the 2nd half looked stalled, he did it again. From broken play outside the area, young Ricardo (MoM) pounded 2 super strikes which ended up in the nets. He gave Setubal the 3pts.


All was not solved and the team was far from being irresistible, but those were 2 clean and much needed victories against mid-table opposition. It was still early to say but with 4 goals (and 2 MoM) in 3 games, it seemed the bold choice of starting Ricardo was a winning bet by Tito. Also, Hugo Pinheiro had appeared very solid in the goals.

There was a difficult Round 6 of the Taça to be played away at Estrela Amadora, followed 2 days later by a Liga home game vs Leiria. Forbs would rotate again for the Cup. Furthermore he was faced with the prospect of losing in the coming days 4 players who were due to participate at the CAN 06 in Tunisia, and that would severely undermine his squad's depth during the crucial next weeks when it would be most needed :

- Senegal : Pape Diop
- Ivory Coast : Saliou Lassissi
- Angola : Artur Correia
- Cameroun : Eric Matoukou

ZanSnake
04-11-14, 09:52 PM
Harsh reality check in the UCL against Barca, but totally running the league like a boss. :ok:

Baron Zbimg
04-11-14, 10:22 PM
Ricardo seems to be a wise choice, hard to argue with Tito, but Zbimg will keep on pushing for Bocas.


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RuiEsteves
04-11-14, 11:13 PM
Ricardo seems to be a wise choice, hard to argue with Tito, but Zbimg will keep on pushing for Bocas.

Sure ;-) just to let you know, Bocas has made 15 starts so far (all at DC).

RuiEsteves
04-11-14, 11:42 PM
Jan.25 / Taça (Rnd.6) – Estrela Amadora v Vitoria Setubal : 1-2
.goals : Pena (2)
.assist : Moreira
.MoM : Pena
-> Not an easy game for this "2nd choice team" (still featuring players such as Marco Tabuas, Ouedraogo, Andrade, Moreira and Pena...) and the locals open fire on the 15' with ex-Setubalian Frechaut scoring following a nice crossing (1-0). Os Guerreiros will never give up, own the 2nd half and the class of Pena (MoM) shows as he finds the net twice. Setubal is through to the quarters.


Jan.27 / Pr.Liga (#19) – Vitoria Setubal v Leiria : 1-0
.goal : Bruno Melo
.assist : -
.MoM : Bruno Melo
-> It's a stressfull game at Bonfim which Os Guerreiros dominate but it's (0-0) for a long while. The sparkle comes from the midfield with a great game by Ednilson, and captain Bruno Melo (MoM) getting the goal from a long-range strike on the 76'. Tough, but the job is done.


Feb.3 / Pr.Liga (#20) – Varzim v Vitoria Setubal : 0-5
.goals : Figo, West, Nélson Veiga, Ricardo (2)
.assists : C.Ronaldo, Figo (2), Ednilson, Bruno Melo
.MoM : Ricardo
-> Varzim are bottom of the table, lack confidence and are sprinting towards relegation. Luis Figo is on fire and opens hostilities with a great goal (17'). The hosts panick and they sub their keeper Ovchinikov on the 20' just before a corner-kick... on which Taribo West pounds a great header and scores his 1st goal in Portugal. Nélson Veiga adds another one shortly after (0-3, half-time). On the 60' Varzim are down to 10 after a dangerous tackle - and the end game is a freakish demonstration by young Ricardo (MoM) who scores 2 but could have bagged in 2 more. Captain Bruno Melo can be proud of the result.


It's a great run and Setubal are back on top of the table - but it's likely to be a tight race with FC Porto and Sporting CP until the end.


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The schedule ahead is now entering a much more difficult stage - although the away quarter-final Cup draw to Secunda side Rio Ave could have been worse. It's non-stop with 6 games in 18 days and the crucial double confrontation vs AS Roma in the Champions League.


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troza
05-11-14, 10:04 AM
Hey, see that about Pena? Don't look at his stamina... players can be at 100% but if you use them too much, mainly after 30, they won't be on top of their form every game but they will give you what you need from them whenever you need them. Those 2 goals against Amadora shows that he will still give you and your fans lots of happy moments ;)

Nice win against Varzim. At least you're winning easily against weak teams. I like that. One of the things that I hate late in the game is that it is hard to score as much goals... or... the breaks I took while playing made me a worse player (cause my best season on goals scored was 2031/2032 if I'm not mistaken with 94 goals... but then I had a break and I had a horrible season in the league... but the best champion's league I ever made)

By the way, it is not Secunda... if you're talking about a team in the second division, it is "Segunda" in portuguese :P

About my run with Barreirense... I need to start telling a storie... but as I have 35 seasons to already share and I don't have the save file at the end of some of those seasons, it will be hard to keep things interesting... and I rather spend time playing :P.

Or I could start a new game... all I have to conquer with Barreirense is enough Portuguese cups (I need 13 or 14) to be the club with most trophies at everything I do... I hate the fact that I'm so far behind in the cups I've won... but ok... the fight is on. It was a great journey to the top (loosing 3 champion's league final in a row before winning my first was frustrating but, at the same time, made the first so sweet!) but, as everything in the game, after the first, it isn't that hard to stay on top (mainly cause I was a very rich club by then).

And sorry about the off-topic. This is about Setúbal, not about Barreirense.

So... about the games against Roma: good luck. Look, what you did (getting to the second group stage) is already an improvement comparing to last year. I would focus on the league. The race is tight but just believe me when I say that the computer will often go on stupid results. I have no great stories about that (only 2 times I though that I wouldn't win the league but I won) but my brother... he had amazing come backs... not only on CM01/02... the most epic was one that he needed Boavista to loose one game and have a draw against Porto in the last game - it needed to be a draw cause both clubs were ahead of him - and that happened. But he is the king (in my old house) of comebacks in this game. He is also the king of the game of starting low and change clubs whenever he feels bored (I always fall in love with my team and I just don't see me leaving a project before it is done). This wall of text to say what exactly? After the first title, believe that the hardest one is won... Just keep fighting that the computer will loose points.

At least it was that way on the original version that I play :P

Kingsley
05-11-14, 10:13 AM
Canelas Gaias rings a bell. I can remember signing a prolific striker from them on ODB, but it would be a lie if I said I could remember his name. I wonder if it this same Ricardo boy.

It looks like the changes have brought the stability you were wanting. I knew that Pinheiro would come good at some point as he was a class keeper. Small advantage to you in the league, but that is far from over. Lets see 4 points from Roma and it could be a quarter final on the way.

RuiEsteves
05-11-14, 09:53 PM
Hi troza, thanks for the long reply, no off-topic mate it's fine.



Hey, see that about Pena? Don't look at his stamina... players can be at 100% but if you use them too much, mainly after 30, they won't be on top of their form every game but they will give you what you need from them whenever you need them. Those 2 goals against Amadora shows that he will still give you and your fans lots of happy moments ;)

Oh I never doubted Pena remains a superb finisher and he indeed proved it in the Cup.



Nice win against Varzim. At least you're winning easily against weak teams. I like that. One of the things that I hate late in the game is that it is hard to score as much goals...

Really? any reason for that? is it due to the regens not being as good or anything?



By the way, it is not Secunda... if you're talking about a team in the second division, it is "Segunda" in portuguese :P

Segunda Liga, yes you're right thanks for correcting!



So... about the games against Roma: good luck. Look, what you did (getting to the second group stage) is already an improvement comparing to last year. I would focus on the league. The race is tight but just believe me when I say that the computer will often go on stupid results.

I like the fact that squad depth is an issue and I can't just cruise through each competition just rotating between two fantastic "A" and "B" sides, that would not fit the story. Tito does not like large squads and Setubal have no reserve team, so I think we will always struggle between Liga and Champions' Cup. Let's see how we do vs AS Roma, I am not sure what to expect. From their results they are not completely irresistible as they were a few years back, but on paper they are still so much better than us. As for the computer crazy results end of year, may the gods of Lusitanian football hear you!

RuiEsteves
05-11-14, 10:00 PM
Canelas Gaias rings a bell. I can remember signing a prolific striker from them on ODB, but it would be a lie if I said I could remember his name. I wonder if it this same Ricardo boy.

Ah, that could indeed be the same player!



It looks like the changes have brought the stability you were wanting. I knew that Pinheiro would come good at some point as he was a class keeper. Small advantage to you in the league, but that is far from over. Lets see 4 points from Roma and it could be a quarter final on the way.

Yes Tito is quite happy - so far - with the way he's managed to turn things around. It's harsh on Marco Tabuas and it's not the end of him far from it, but asking for pay raise right after a 0-3 thumping at the Dragão did not make the best of impression. Sometimes people get too complacent in their jobs. Anyway, exciting games ahead, we'll see how good we do. My squad is injury-free so I'm quite lucky, however the 4 players involved in the CAN will hamper our depth when we most need it.

Fourfourtwo
05-11-14, 10:48 PM
League will be tight this year by the looks of it - Porto seem to have regrouped after a few dodgy seasons?

Totally agree with you about squad size - I prefer to have as small a squad as I can get away with - lots of games for everyone.

ZanSnake
05-11-14, 10:55 PM
Keep rotating and i am sure you can win the majority of those games, Roma are a superb team though - so will certainty - be interesting how well you will do :ok:

RuiEsteves
05-11-14, 11:37 PM
Feb.8 / Taça (Quarter-Final) – Rio Ave v Vitoria Setubal : 0-3
.goals : Andrade, Pena (2)
.assists : Nélson Veiga, Bosingwa, Moreira
.MoM : Teixeira
-> It was an easy draw and it's an easy game, sealed in the 1st half with a great volley from Luis Andrade and another Cup double from Pena. Bosingwa has a good day while Paulo Teixeira (MoM) shines in midfield, showing his class. He's become quite a contender at DMC now! Setubal walks through to the semi-finals of the Taça.


Feb.11 / Pr.Liga (#21) – Vitoria Setubal v Belenenses : 3-2
.goals : Ricardo, Moreira, Bruno Melo
.assists : Ednilson, C.Ronaldo, Binho
.MoM : Ednilson
-> Forbs does well not to rotate for this home game since Belenenses, whilst dominated, will be a threat until the very end and score 2 by Tiago. Ednilson (MoM) has another fantastic day and sets Ricardo early on for the opener. Os Guerreiros push and it's only in the last 15' that they finally prevail with Moreira and Bruno Melo. A precious win before the Champions League.


It's time for the big game: Vitoria host giants AS Roma in Bonfim! The Italian side is currently 2nd of the Serie A and with only 1pt so far in 2 games, will be desperate for a result today in Portugal. They still field a frightening team with the likes of Walter Samuel, Marco Delvecchio, Damiano Tommasi, Emerson, Vincenzo Montella and Francesco Totti! Both teams have clashed in Aug.04 at the European Supercup and Setubal that day shocked the world when they stole the trophy from Roman claws with an impressive Hugo Pinheiro in the penaty shoot-out. Well Pinheiro is on the pitch today and Tito hopes he brings good luck to his side !

There's a long history vs Italian sides and the score is to Setubal's advantage for the time being with 4v3 :

- UEFA Cup 1966/67 - Round 1 - v Juventus (0-2, 1-3)
- UEFA Cup 1968/69 - Round 3 - v Fiorentina (3-0, 1-2)
- UEFA Cup 1972/73 - Round 2 - v Fiorentina (1-0, 1-2)
- UEFA Cup 1972/73 - Round 3 - v Inter Milan (2-0, 0-1)
- UEFA Cup 1999/00 - Round 1 - v AS Roma (1-0, 0-7)
- UEFA Cup 2002/03 - Quarter-Final - v Bologna 1909 (0-3, 0-2)
- European Supercup 2004 - v AS Roma (0-0, pen)

Feb.14 / Champions Cup (Phase 2, #3) – Vitoria Setubal v AS Roma : 2-0

- It's a sunny winter day in southern Portugal and it's quite obvious the Italian giants have not come here to visit the sites as they start strong and push!
- 8': Tommasi jumps high and pounds a header -> it's a first brilliant save by Hugo Pinheiro!
- 10': young phenomenon Ricardo gets the ball in midfield and there's a roar in the crowd. He looks up, goes past the entire defense (with players like Samuel and Cufré...) and is brought down in the area by Luigi Sartor! it's a penalty, and captain Bruno Melo puts it home it's a (1-0) lead early on for Vitoria, what a start and my God Ricardo is amazing!

- 14': AS Roma react as Delvecchio is clear on the far post, but his header is deflected by a desperate tackle from Bocas on the line!
- 27': legend Luis Figo gets the ball, turns around the defender and rushes in with a superb strike -> and oh it's in! GOOOOL! Figo with a touch of class gives a (2-0) lead!
- 40': it's a torrid end of the 1st half as Roma dominate, here's Totti through -> he goes wide.
- 44': Montella deflects for Emerson in the area, he shoots -> oh just wide of the post, Pinheiro was rooted here!

- Half-time. It's a great (2-0) for the home side who are a little fortunate to be up. Their forwards Ricardo and Figo have made it happen.

- 53': Brazilian Amoroso replaces compatriote Emerson
- 59': Ricardo again in the area -> oh did Cufré bring him down here? the ref waves on, oh it's a harsh call that, he did not dare give a 2nd penalty to Setubal!
- 61': the crowd is up and cheers as Portuguese star João Pinto comes on for Montella. With Luis Figo, it's quite a few national legends on the pitch here. Later, Ferronetti replaces Sartor. Tito does not sub anyone and goes with the same XI until the end.

- 74': Italian heads start to go down as they fail to be dangerous in this half. C.Ronaldo who's been quiet, pounds a dangerous free-kick -> parried by Pelizzoli.
- 87': Tommasi is clear in the area, will he get a consolation goal -> oh it's Hugo Pinheiro (MoM), he saves again and reminds the Romans that he is their worst nightmare.
- It's all over and what a great win for Setubal this one will go down in History! Bonfim is up in arms!


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Celtic have been fortunate to overcome Barça at Celtic Park (1-0, on a penalty) and that's a bad result which means the Scots are very much back in the race with 4pts, while both Barça and Setubal top the group with 6pts and AS Roma is last with 1pt.

RuiEsteves
05-11-14, 11:42 PM
League will be tight this year by the looks of it - Porto seem to have regrouped after a few dodgy seasons?

Well they were 3rd last season and champions in 2003/04, so they've always been pretty much there although a notch under Sporting CP. They've indeed improved their squad in the interseason with Brazilian signings Fernando and Luisão, and thumped us (3-0) at the Dragão 2 months ago. However there has just been a clash Sporting CP v FC Porto, and the Lisboa side prevailed (2-1).

RuiEsteves
05-11-14, 11:44 PM
Keep rotating and i am sure you can win the majority of those games, Roma are a superb team though - so will certainty - be interesting how well you will do :ok:
Well I was a bit lucky but 2 touches of genius by Ricardo and Figo (and a solid Pinheiro) got me the 3pts! it will be a tough one at the Stadio Olimpico since as you said, AS Roma remain an amazing side.

kuy
06-11-14, 12:05 AM
Is that three centre-backs you're losing to the African Cup of Nations? If so that's going to test your squad depth... Good luck!

RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 12:18 AM
Is that three centre-backs you're losing to the African Cup of Nations? If so that's going to test your squad depth... Good luck!
Yes: Diop (who's a starter for me), Lassissi and Matoukou, plus Artur Correia (AMC). Luckily Bras and Bocas have been very solid and played each game at DC, and now Diop is back as Senegal went out in the quarter-finals. So no harm done.

RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 01:10 AM
Feb.19 / Pr.Liga (#22) – Maritimo v Vitoria Setubal : 0-2
.goals : João Manuel Pinto (og), C.Ronaldo
.assist : -
.MoM : C.Ronaldo
-> Setubal continue their superb streak in the Liga as they overcome Maritimo in Funchal. João Manuel Pinto is the unfortunate hero of the day as he first deflects a shot from Ricardo into his own goal, and gets red-carded a few minutes later (36'). It's an easy ride from then on and Tito rotates his squad before the trip to Rome. C.Ronaldo (MoM) seals it with a great 2nd goal (77').


Forbs has a fully fit squad as the team lands in Rome. Can they create the unthinkable upset? Luis Andrade starts ahead of Binho who has had a poor run of form lately, and Diop is the preferred choice at DC which means Bocas is benched.

Feb.22 / Champions Cup (Phase 2, #4) – AS Roma v Vitoria Setubal : 2-1

- It's a relatively quiet start for both teams, which is surprising considering the Romans need a victory or they are out.
- 14': Ednilson finds Ricardo in the space, the young striker shoots -> Pelizzoli parries, tough luck.
- 19': Montella is robbed by Diop, it's a quick counter-attack for a header by Ricardo in the area -> parried!
- 20': Setubal push and dominate, Figo chips in for Ricardo who has time in the area, but again Pelizzoli saves and the young striker shows a lack of finishing touch here, havng missed 3 chances!
- 22': he won't miss the next one when Pelizzoli has a poor goal-kick, it's Ricardo and GOOOOOOOOOOOL! (0-1), Setubal have taken the lead at the Olimpico it's incredible...

- It's unbelievable, Vitoria are having a perfect 1st half and have dominated through and through, plenty of chances and none for the hosts!
- 44': another great combination by Os Guerreiros sees C.Ronaldo alone in the area and Vincent Candela brings him down! the linesman clearly has his flag up and oh no! the Swedish ref says to play on! that's robbery here, it should have been a penalty!
- 48': maybe a wake-up call for the Romans as Montella finds the space and adjusts -> well done Pinheiro, he parries.

- It's half-time and Setubal lead (0-1), but between the missed chances and the penalty which should have been awarded, AS Roma are fortunate to be only 1-goal down! will that great team fight back and reverse the trend?

- 54': Colluci crosses well for Amoroso, he heads the ball under the crossbar -> it's in! The Italians have equalized (1-1).
- 55': C.Ronaldo crosses for Bruno Melo, he heads the ball -> it's parried.
- 56': the class of Fransecsco Totti (MoM) who escapes both Andrade and Bras and rushes on Phinheiro, he strikes -> GOL! It's cruel but it's here, AS Roma have taken the lead (2-1).

- Fabio Capello calls for defense and the game stalls.
- 76': here is C.Ronaldo from a distance he pounds a half-volley -> oh it hits the post, and goes wide! what a chance again!
- 82': Setubal don't give up and captain Bruno Melo finds Ricardo who shoots -> it's wide, another miss by Ricardo here.
- 85': João Pinto came on, he delivers a great volley which is just parried by Pinheiro.

- That's it, AS Roma win the game (2-1) but what a great football have Setubal played in this mythical stadium and oh, they were so close from having an excellent result here. Tough luck.


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The next game at Celtic Park will be massive, a win could see Setubal through. What a tough competition this is!


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RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 02:41 AM
Eric Matoukou finishes 3rd of the CAN with Cameroon, while the Final features 2 Guerreiros: Artur Correia for Angola and Saliou Lassissi for Ivory Coast. The latter prevail (3-2) and it's a nice gold medal for big Saliou ! Vitoria are honoured to have a CAN winner amongst their ranks.


Feb.26 / Pr.Liga (#23) – Vitoria Setubal v Salgueiros : 0-0
.goal : -
.assist : -
.MoM : Bruno Melo
-> It's an unfortunate draw at home, in spite of Setubal's domination and the efforts of captain Bruno Melo (MoM). Bras is red-carded for a supposedly last defender fault at the 80', it's a harsh call and - for once - the FA revises its stance and lifts the ban on the player.


Bruno Melo, 24yr-old, is now captain of Setubal and having a great season once again - only this time, spared by injuries. It's been a while Tito has wondered whether he would get an international call-up and now it seems others are of the same opinion. The World Cup is in 3 months and Portugal has only one friendly before the squad is announced. Can Bruno Melo make it?


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Mar.3 / Pr.Liga (#24) – Leixões v Vitoria Setubal : 1-1
.goal : Ednilson
.assist : West
.MoM : -
-> It is not such as easy game at Estadio do Mar on this rainy March day, although Vitoria start well and find the net with Ednilson (16'). They continue to miss several chances, particularly with Ricardo or C.Ronaldo who hits the post. The ref forgets to award a penalty to Os Guerreiros in the 2nd half, while Leixões look more and more dangerous. They will equalize on the 74'. Vitoria push and Moreira scores 5' from the end, but the goal is disallowed for off-side. It's a harsh result, and yet again 2pts dropped in the title race. Very unfortunate.


It's all very much open as FC Porto take back the lead on goal-difference. Benfica have finally strenghtened their defense in the winter mercato and this is starting to pay off as they are surprisingly back in the title race! Setubal will have home games vs Benfica and Sporting CP, this could turn out a slight advantage. But FC Porto are the in-form side...


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Well that is not the best week in the run-up to the crucial game at Celtic Park coming up. Apart from Lassissi (3-weeks injury) and West (ineligible), Tito has all his players fit and ready to battle it out. Bring it on, Scots!

Kingsley
06-11-14, 08:42 AM
Why are Vitoria not top on goal difference ? How are ties in the league decided in Portugal ?

Disapointing to drop points in Roma after having the lead, but going by your comments, Roma probably deserved something from the two games. The dropped league points are a worry, but Tito has turned it around before and can do it again, especially now that the Africans are back.

troza
06-11-14, 09:56 AM
I think that, in Portugal, is the games between those teams...

Bad luck with 2 draws in Portugal. Great win against Rome.

About the game on higher seasons... I only learned about Regens when I joined this forum. I though that might be a possibility but there aren't that many players with 20 at everything as there is at the start of the game. And the computer gets used to my tactics or I'm just doing something wrong when talking about staff or even player's strengths for each position. You know that 3 years without playing makes you forget what you were doing. On the other side... I don't know but I'm having the best champion's league ever (one that the only game I didn't win was the second where Anderlech scored the only time they shoot at the target and their goalkeeper saved them 9 times) and one without any defeats... So... I guess that I'm doing something right... oh well... I guess that after 28 consecutive league titles, things should become hard.

Other thing... I saved compressed... and now, after 3 years and playing on a different computer, it seems that some of the clubs got their power back... I don't know if the reputations were restored to the original or not... but oh well... I'll find what I'm doing wrong as I'm having a hard time winning 8 out of 10 games (at the start of the game, I felt that was a must to win the league...)

RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 08:02 PM
Why are Vitoria not top on goal difference ? How are ties in the league decided in Portugal ?

It's individual points difference that count in Portugal. So against FC Porto this season, we are (2-1, 0-3) so no matter how many more goals I score in the Liga, if we are drawn on points in the end they come out on top. If individual goal difference is 0, then it's overall goal average that will count.



Disapointing to drop points in Roma after having the lead, but going by your comments, Roma probably deserved something from the two games. The dropped league points are a worry, but Tito has turned it around before and can do it again, especially now that the Africans are back.

Let's say Roma were hard-done by in Setubal, and vice-versa in the return leg in Rome so all in all...

RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 08:13 PM
Mar.7 / Champions Cup (Phase 2, #5) – Celtic Glasgow v Vitoria Setubal : 2-0

- The 60k of Celtic Park make an unbelievable noise as both teams take to the field for this key game in Group C. There’s not much happening in the first 15’ as each side gets ready for the battle. Tito is annoyed as he finds out it is once again Leif Sundell at refereing, the same ref who had robbed Setubal of a penalty in Rome 2 weeks ago…
- 15’: not sure how it happened but Ricardo is suddenly clear to goal, he’s one-on-one with Hedman -> and the Swedish keeper saves!
- 16’: Ricardo is on fire, shortly after he gets the ball in midfield, pounds and oh, it’s the crossbar!
- 17’: Chivu seems to have clattered Ricardo in the area here, the players turn to the ref and -> oh come on Mr Sundell, not again! He waves the protest and carries on play… Vitoria are hard done by here.
- 23’: the Glasgow side gets dangerous now as Chivu crosses in for Timm -> Pinheiro shows safe hands here.
- 26’: Ricardo has picked-up a knock (2-weeks)… he has to go and is replaced by Pena.

- 27’: it’s Ednlison now from a distance -> oh he clips the post here. Os Guerreiros are unfortunate so far.
- 29’: Timm and Sutton combine well, the Englishman strikes but Hugo Pinheiro parries the shot.
- 37’: out of broken play, Sutton gets the ball outside the area and strikes a dangerous low shot -> parried again by the Portuguese keeper.
- 38’: again from a distance, this time C.Ronaldo and it seems his strike has clipped the post, that was very close.
- 45’: the visitors push, they are looking for that goal, Ednilson chips in the area for Pena -> parried by Hedman.

- Half-time. Both keepers have had great days so far, but with a denied penalty, a crossbar and 2 posts, Setubal may end up regretting the (0-0 coreline at the end of this 1st period. They’ve played better!

- 48’: oh it’s a great combination here by Celtic, Kieron Dyer passes on the left of the area to Christian Chivu who strikes -> this time Pinheiro cannot reach it and it’s a GOL! (1-0) for Celtic.
- 50’: it ain’t over and Vitoria take the game to their opponents, here’s Binho comibing well for Ednilson alone, he half-volleys -> Hedman saves! Corner-kick and Nélson Veiga towers above everyone but once again the flying Swede gets a hand and clips the ball! Oh tough luck.
- 56’: it’s a long cross into Nélson Veiga who is clear at the far post, he aims -> just above the crossbar, oh no…
- 66’: good cross from Joaquin here, Sutton in the area -> he misses.
- 67’: Celtic looking for the killer blow, Larsson who came in gives to Sutton, he misses again.
- 76’: Moreria comes in for Luis Figo, Southgate replaces Zebina. The Portuguese Champions have tried all they could but can’t seem to get that goal and level the score…
- 85’: it’s a counter-attack for Celtic, German forward Timm (MoM) who has been superb, dribbles past Pape Diop, he strikes and it’s in! (2-0), and the game is most certainly over here!


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It’s a terrible result for Setubal who clearly deserved better, just like in Rome, but end up with another away loss – the 3rd in the last 3 Champions League away games. Barça have dominated but been forced to draw at home vs AS Roma. It means the Spaniards giants are through to the quarter-finals and will travel to Bonfim for the last game. Setubal still have an outside chance here but they need to beat Barcelona and pray that Celtic do not win in Rome.

It’s 4 games in a row without a win, the worst spell this season. Next up is Benfica at home, this is a massive game considering the Lisboa giants are back in the title race. Forbs mobilizes his troops and delivers one of his famous speeches before the game. He basically tells them they’ve been better than both AS Roma and Celtic which is no small feat, and that they must continue to have trust in themselves for they are a great football team. He lines-up his best starting XI, taking into account Ricardo’s injury and in spite of playing Barça at Bonfim 3 days later.

Mar.12 / Pr.Liga (#25) – Vitoria Setubal v Benfica : 2-0
.goals : C.Ronaldo, Ednilson
.assists : Bras, Diop
.MoM : C.Ronaldo
-> Setubal play a fantastic 1st hour of football against Benfica, utterly dominating and creating plenty of chances, alas all parried by an outstanding José Moreria the young Lisboa keeper. There is plenty of tension in the stadium as some sort of bad spell seems to have been cast on Os Guerreiros… and it is C.Ronaldo (MoM) who will break it, when he finds the net on the 69’ with a great long-range strike. As if delivered, Setubal score another shortly after when Ednilson rushes forward with class, destabilizes the entire defense and pounds into the net (75’). It’s an undisputed victory, Benfica have been played off the park today. Setubal get back on top of the table.


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RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 08:25 PM
The whole city is now breathless as the great Barça, current leader of the Spanish Liga, are set to arrive in Setubal for the last pool game of the Champions League 2nd Phase. The Catalans have cruised through the group and are already qualified. Os Guerreiros will give all they can, and also have bad blood to settle after the (0-4) humiliation at the Camp Nou in December…

The match sheet is announced… and clearly Louis van Gaal has chosen to rotate his squad since he’s qualified already; only Abbiati, Wörns, Cannavaro, Puyol and Kluivert are usual starters; Gabri, Alfonso and Dani are usually subs but in the midfield there are 3 unknown players from la Masia, all under 20’s! Tito decides to keep Luis Figo on the bench and starts Almani Moreria, while Bocas starts ahead of Diop who has struggled lately.

Mar.15 / Champions Cup (Phase 2, #6) – Vitoria Setubal v F.C. Barcelona : 3-2

- 5’: Bras in the area with a great tackle as Dani was about to shoot…
- The first 20’ are very messy, many technical fouls and no chances for either team. Os Guerreiros are clearly very nervous, not playing their usual selves.
- 31’: Spanish veteran Alfonso chips in for Patrick Kluivert, he’s always deadly and applies the finish and GOL! It’s (0-1) for Barça, oh no!
- 44’: Vitoria are like lost on the pitch and the Catalan attacking trio is having a field day… Dani finds Kluivert and it’s in the space for Alfonso who strikes underneath Pinheiro and GOOOOOOOOL! Oh it’s the 2nd goal, Setubal are down (0-2)! Terrible form!

Half-time. Tito Forbs storms into the changing room:
“what is going on? What are you guys doing? Lads? Are we bowing out last this? No shot on goal at home for the entire 1st half?? This is not us, this is not Os Guerreiros. This game is watched by the entire nation, we’re playing the best club on the planet FFS… in the name of our Lord, for the sake of the kids who are watching, get your acts together! Move your a*ses! Here’s some news for you: Celtic are down (0-1) at half-time in Rome and from the look of things, they’re being dominated. What does that tell you? Yes we can do it, you need to get back there and pound 3 goals in the nets of Abbiati!!”

- The players are stunned. Their now legendary coach is usually very composed and quiet. For most of them, it’s the first time they see him enter into such a rage. They know they’ve got to do something and skipper Bruno Melo rallies them.
- 48’: iconic warrior Nélson Veiga rushes on the right flank, determined; he crosses-in for C.Ronaldo’s superb volley and… it’s a GOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! (1-2), still two to go! Come on lads, that’s the wake-up call !
- 49’: watch out for Kluivert, he towers over Bras here and heads towards the goals… finally, Hugo Pinheiro in with a good save oh that was close.
- 50’: it’s Bruno Melo in midfield, he pauses and what a delicious pass this is in the back of Cannavaro, Pena controls, stops, chips in and YES! Easy, that’s a goal and both teams are now levelled (2-2)! Oh Setubal have some heart don’t they!!
- Bonfim roars with pleasure, this is European football at its best and Roma are still ahead (1-0) in the other game which means AS Roma are qualified right now.
- 59’: Forbs brings in new blood with Andrade coming in for a tired Ednilson, and Luis Figo bringing his class in and replacing a quiet Moreira.
- 69’: Bruno Melo again on the right flank, he chips in for Cristiano Ronaldo (MoM) who pounds a header on Abbiati… the Italian keeper is there but let’s the ball lose… a woman shouts in the crowd as if she fainted, and the great Ronaldo is quicker and scores in the empty nets… oh GOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! GOL GOL GOL! YES baby! They’ve taken the lead and in the space of 30’ have put 3 goals past Barcelona! Oh Cannavaro and Wörns look at each other in disbelief, yes gentlemen, this is Bonfim for you!!
- 78’: it’s Tiago Silva in for an exhausted but so brave Nélson Veiga.
- 83’: Luis Figo at 33yr-old who has won everything and came in as a sub, is battling like a lion and tackles all over the pitch, he steals posession and goes for a long range floating strike -> Abbiati parries, oj nice!
- It’s the end, that’s it oh what a crazy game, Vitoria have done the impossible and won it !


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There’s been no miracle come-back in Rome as AS Roma beats Celtic (1-0)… which means it’s finally :
1. Barcelona – 10
2. Vitoria Setubal – 9
3. AS Roma – 8
4. Celtic Glasgow – 7

YES! Minnows Vitoria Setubal are through to the quarter-finals of the Champions League oh this is unbelievable, how do they shock the world like that every time??? There’s a bit of a cabal in Italy as AS Roma bitterly accuse Barcelona of having favoured Setubal by fielding a weakened side in Bonfim… they can go f*ck right off thinks Forbs to himself, since they should have never won at the Olimpico against his boys was it not for the abject refereing of the infamous Mr Sundell. The draw happens immediately after :


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Inter Milan, right! Another Italian side, 1st game at Giuseppe Meazza, oh the legend is being written here!

Kingsley
06-11-14, 08:58 PM
The comeback kings. You were buried at half time. Tito's half time talk must have been a good one.

Glad the Celtic game was pointless in the end.

RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 09:11 PM
The comeback kings. You were buried at half time. Tito's half time talk must have been a good one.

That first half at home vs Barça was a nightmare, did not show up. Things went much better after Tito's went ballistic, indeed :-) what a game that was and what a way to go through to the quarters...!



Glad the Celtic game was pointless in the end.

I thought of you when I played that one "gotta win it for the Eejit" - I was robbed at Celtic Park! same ref as the Rome defeat, I swear! denying penalties... and also that keeper Hedman : this guy is a pain. Anyway, Celtic are out so job is done I guess.

06-11-14, 09:33 PM
Once you're in the knockout stages anything can happen :ok: Will Tito do a José Mourinho...

Off topic slightly but where is Mantorras in your save? Any chance of a screenshot...

ZanSnake
06-11-14, 10:03 PM
Ronaldo has been superb!

Don't think i have ever seen him develop this good from an ODB :shocked:

RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 11:02 PM
Once you're in the knockout stages anything can happen :ok: Will Tito do a José Mourinho...
Off topic slightly but where is Mantorras in your save? Any chance of a screenshot...
You'll soon find out about the knock-out stages...

As for Mantorras he has never left Benfica and he has been more or less their best player all those years; last season he was also best Player of the Liga. No trophy though for Benfica, they've been "struggling" (came 3rd/4th/3rd/5th the first 4 seasons, not even a Cup final, and they will probably finish 4th this year).

RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 11:04 PM
Ronaldo has been superb!
Don't think i have ever seen him develop this good from an ODB :shocked:
I'm patched 3.9.68 if that makes a difference. He's inconsistent but he can basically win me a game all by himself, more so than any other player. He's now being called with Portugal more often (2 caps). I am curious to see whether he will really become a superstar of the game, or not.

RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 11:08 PM
Mar.19 / Pr.Liga (#26) – Vitoria Setubal v Infesta : 3-0
.goals : C.Ronaldo, Pena, Figo
.assists : Bruno Melo (2), Pena
.MoM : Bruno Melo
-> Setubal have a debt to settle against bottom of the table Infesta to whom they lost in the 1st leg earlier this season. It won’t take long for the heroes of Bonfim to score 3 great goals in the 1st half, with playmaker Bruno Melo (MoM) having another superb day and veteran Pena also in very good form.


It’s a short break of 10 days for international friendlies ahead of the World Cup and there are 4 Guerreiros called-up in the Portugal squad, an all-time record. 3 of them get a cap vs Sweden (1-2, away): Cristiano Ronaldo, Nélson Veiga and for the 1st time… Bruno Melo ! ex-Setubalian Carlos Fernandes also gets his first start that day.


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While the “Senegalese rock” Pape Malik Diop who had been struggling lately, picks-up a 3-weeks injury, Tito looks ahead at the impossible schedule his squad has with no less than 7 games in 3 weeks (!!!), including a Cup semi-final at home vs Boavista, both legs of the Champions League Quarter-Finals and what could be a title-decider game vs Sporting CP sandwiched in the middle. Oh this is crazy, but then Vitoria have moved mountains before so let’s go for it!!!


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RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 11:21 PM
Mar.29 / Pr.Liga (#27) – Vitoria Setubal v Estrela Amadora : 3-2
.goals : Ednilson, Ricardo, West
.assists : Figo, Ednilson
.MoM : Ednilson
-> There’s no easy win and Vitoria have to work hard against a side battling against relegation. Luis Figo is in a great day and sets the 1st goal for an outstanding Ednilson (MoM); but things get a little crazy afterwards, with West conceding a penalty which Marco Tabuas parries, before Armando scores a lobbed header over a misplaced Marco Tabuas. It’s (1-1) at half-time and Os Guerreiros push and are rewarded by 2 great goals from Ricardo and Taribo West following a corner-kick. But Amadora will score again (85’) and will be dangerous until the very last minute. In the end, a win is a win….


Forbs does not take any chance in the Liga and fields his strongest XI at do Bessa looking for a key win, and this in spite of the 1st leg vs Inter Milan 3 days later.

Apr.2 / Pr.Liga (#28) – Boavista v Vitoria Setubal : 0-1
.goal : Pena
.assist : Moreira
.MoM : Bras
-> Another very tough game in Porto. Os Guerreiros are dominated throughout the 1st half but Marco Tabuas is there. Fortunate to be level at half-time (0-0), Forbs brings in at the hour Moreira and Pena for Figo and an uninspired Ricardo. It pays off a minute later, as Moreria deflects a corner for Pena who scores! That’s some tactical flair by Forbs. His lads will resist in the last half-hour with an impressive Bras (MoM) in the heart of the defense.


It’s a fortunate, but absolutely key victory Setubal have just got, the only bad news is Moreria having picked a 2-weeks injury. There are still 6 games to go but they have allowed themselves a little bit of breathing space at the top, while Benfica have definitely dropped out of the race after their defeat in Bonfim.


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It’s now time to focus on the Milan trip for one of the most prestigious games ever played by the club in its entire History: a Champions League quarter-final vs giants Inter Milan.

RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 11:33 PM
The historical saga of Setubal vs Italian clubs continues, after the clash vs AS Roma in Phase 2, and the score is now 5v3 :

- UEFA Cup 1966/67 - Round 1 - v Juventus (0-2, 1-3)
- UEFA Cup 1968/69 - Round 3 - v Fiorentina (3-0, 1-2)
- UEFA Cup 1972/73 - Round 2 - v Fiorentina (1-0, 1-2)
- UEFA Cup 1972/73 - Round 3 - v Inter Milan (2-0, 0-1)
- UEFA Cup 1999/00 - Round 1 - v AS Roma (1-0, 0-7)
- UEFA Cup 2002/03 - Quarter-Final - v Bologna 1909 (0-3, 0-2)
- European Supercup 2004 - v AS Roma (0-0, pen)
- Champions League – Phase 2 – v AS Roma (2-0, 1-2)

And looking closely, Vitoria have already played the great Inter Milan in 1972 UEFA Cup and actually… did qualify on goal difference. There’s some hope!

The Wednesday morning of the game as they train on the pitch next to Giuseppe Meazza, 33yr-old Luis Figo picks a knock; the physios rush to see him, and inform Tito: he won’t play and is out for 2-weeks. Bugger. That’s a tough blow, his class and experience in that kind of game will be missed; and it means the coach is short at AMC position and he decides to start… Artur Correia, alongside C.Ronaldo. Forbs hesitates a lot for the goalkeeper with Marco Tabuas having regained his spot lately in the Liga – but he finally goes with Pinheiro, more capable of extraordinary performances in the face of such adversity. Finally Pena’s experience will be used and he starts, with Ricardo ready to bring his punch later on in the game.

On their side, Inter who are inexplicably sitting 9th in Serie A, will be without star striker Christian Vieri – but other than that it’s a full squad. And what a squad do they have :


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It’s the defense according to Tito, which makes this team quite extraordinary; he also fears the class of Hernan Crespo upfront while the midfield is experienced and solid.

Apr.5 / Champions Cup (Quarter-Final) – Inter Milan v Vitoria Setubal : 3-0

- Well… the game did not exactly go as planned. The Giuseppe Meazza is a very intimidating stadium and after a round of 15’ observation, Inter have crushed Setubal in style. Hugo Pinheiro has a nightmarish half as Mendieta (MoM), then Cordoba and finally Crespo following a superb movement, pound 3 headers into his nets for a clinical (3-0). One cannot say Vitoria was played off the park, but they received 3 terrible hammer blows in 45’. The other choice of Tito which was to start Artur Correia, proved a mistake as he seemed utterly lost on the pitch and was subbed around the hour by Ricardo. Setubal will try to push early in the 2nd half and Pena gets a volley on target; after which, it is all one way with Inter dominating and Binho sinking in midfield. Hugo Pinheiro makes a few great saves which prevents a greater humiliation. On the positive side it the remarkable fighting spirit of Bras until the end, who resisted in defense.


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There is not much to be said really, the quality of that Inter side is just too much to handle. (0-3) after the 1st leg, against such an amazing defense, the chances to go through are close to none. Vitoria was never really in a position to get that goal which would have maintained a ray of hope. But they will play the return in Bonfim with pride !

BobMem
06-11-14, 11:39 PM
Difficult, but it can be done!

You absolutely HAVE to keep them out. 1 goal for them and you need 5.

RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 11:41 PM
Apr.9 / Pr.Liga (#29) – Santa Clara v Vitoria Setubal : 0-3
.goals : Bruno Melo, Ricardo (2)
.assist : Marajo (2), Bras
.MoM : Marajo
-> Injuries at AMC lead Tito to field ex-fans favourite Marajo (MoM) who has an outstanding game with 2 assists and a constant display of his skills and flair. Ricardo always on the look for goals, gets 2 and it’s a comfortable victory. Both FC Porto and Sporting CP have won so positions remain same. Bad news though is that Taribo West will be out for 2-months, and C.Ronaldo for 2-weeks.


Last year already, Boavista visited Bonfim for the Taça de Portugal semi-final (lost, 0-2). Here we go again this year.

Apr.12 / Taça (Semi-Final) – Vitoria Setubal v Boavista : 2-1
.goals : Ricardo (2)
.assists : Marajo, Ednilson
.MoM : Ricardo
-> Boavista are no push-overs, they press and start strong and will open fire on 32’ with a header by Jorge Silva, silencing Bonfim. This will be the wake-up call, with Bruno Melo great in midfield and Ricardo (MoM) scroring again, twice, to drive Setubal through a deserved but hard-fought victory. Paulo Teixeira picks a 3-weeks injury / a lot of players getting injured, it’s been a very long and tiring season.


For the 2nd year in a row Vitoria Setubal will play the Final of the Taça de Portugal, this time against Sporting CP! The same Sporting CP who are visiting Bonfim next for a crucial Liga game; if the Lisboa side lose, they are almost certainly out of the title race but if they win then it’s all going to be very close between the trio with FC Porto.


Apr.16 / Pr.Liga (#30) – Vitoria Setubal v Sporting CP : 1-0
.goal : Ricardo
.assist : -
.MoM : -
-> Os Guerreiros are ready for the clash and start well, solid and well organized. They do create early chances but either miss or find keeper Silvio Luis (MoM) on their way. As often in such cases, Sporting CP react and are dangerous before half-time especially as Ricardo (the left winger) hits the post. There’s plenty of tension on and off the pitch between the rivals, and at 53’ following a clearance from Binho, Ricardo gets the ball and sends a superb low shot in the side-net for the (1-0). His finishing skills are simply pehnomenal as he scores his 14th goal in 18 games… Setubal will resist until the end, in particular with a strong Bocas in DC. It may have not been a spectacular game but it is nevertheless a key victory on the road to the title.


There are 4 games to play and it’s fair to say Sporting CP are out of the race. It’s a 2-horses sprint now and Vitoria have a 4pts lead over FC Porto…


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RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 11:44 PM
Difficult, but it can be done!
You absolutely HAVE to keep them out. 1 goal for them and you need 5.
yep... report of the 2nd leg coming up now ! All my defenders have very high Jumping skills and I usually concede very few goals form the air. But that day in San Siro, they scored 3 in one half. Go figure.

RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 11:51 PM
Nobody in Europe believes Setubal can climb the mountain and get back 3 goals against THAT Inter team. Tito tries to motivate his players as best he can but him too knows it’s close to impossible. He is without C.Ronaldo and Teixeira injured; he decides to start Marc Tabuas, Diop instead of Bras, and Ricardo upfront. Ednilson is obviously tiring and in need of rest after such a long season (42 games already, started July 30th with the World Championship..), but he will have to suffer a little longer.

Tito is not sure there can be words to lift up the spirit of his Guerreiros. Before they arrive in the changing room, he writes this in big characters on the board :

This is what happened to European teams who visited your home, Bonfim, this season :

- Liverpool : 0-3
- Celta Vigo : 0-3
- Ajax Amsterdam : 1-3
- Celtic Glasgow : 0-1
- AS Roma : 0-2
- FC Barcelona : 2-3

You did this to them. 6 Wins in 6 games; 15 goals scored, 3 conceded. Do it one more time lads.


Apr.19 / Champions Cup (Quarter-Final, leg.2) – Vitoria Setubal v Inter Milan : 0-1

- This game could have been very different as Os Guerreiros storm out of the changing rooms while the Italians resort to their much favoured catenaccio which this very team invented in the 1960’s. On the 2’, it seems Kallon clatters Ricardo in the area… Bonfim goes silent, the Norwegian ref hesitates and finally waves on to play… the bronca will last for at least 10’ thereafter, the crowd feeling the game has already been robbed. At 15’ Luis Figo lights another sparkle as Toldo parries his free-kick, and goes down to save after he released the ball. That was close.

And that’s about it. From that point, Setubal will never be dangerous again. Crespo is close from scoring at 40’ but a superb Marco Tabuas parries; but there is nothing he can do at 45’ when the great Andrea Pirlo (MoM) swirls a classic free-kick into the angle. It’s (0-1) and game over. Bosingwa is in at half-time for an exhausted Ednilson, while Lassissi subs injured Diop (3-weeks).

The tragedy turns into a comedy when on the 48’ the ref blows a hand ball against captain Bruno Melo; he protests, and is… red-carded, just like that!!! Madness. For the 1st time in his career Tito Forbs lashes out and enters the pitch, voicing his anger along with 13k Portuguese. He is close from being sent out of the game. Down to 10 men, Os Guerreiros show some pride and dominate the last half-hour while Inter resort to cheap tactics and commit numerous fouls outside the area (3 YC’s). There’s a lot of Italian banter in the end, and some verbal abuse against the “villagers” from Setubal and their supposedly impregnable Bonfim Fortaleza which fell tonight for the 1st time of the season.

Setubal is out. Fair enough. But this won’t be forgotten. There’s now bad blood with Internazionale and Tito tells Moratti that they shall cross their path one day and take their revenge. He does not wish them good luck for the semis – in which they join Barcelona, Dortmund and Liverpool.

RuiEsteves
06-11-14, 11:58 PM
@BobMem: bouh, that's it, I'm out. Wiped away (0-4) like a real minnow. It's the second time an Italian club crushes me (Bologna 0-5 in 2003). I couldn't believe they would park the bus after Pirlo scored AND us being 1-man down, and then hard-tackle and anihilate all my attempts at face-saving. There's been harsh words spoken after the game, ore of Inter v Setubal in the future that's for sure - so have decided the Gods of football.

RuiEsteves
07-11-14, 12:23 AM
There’s a sour taste in Tito’s mouth. He gathers all the players the following day and tells them how proud he is. Reaching the quarter-finals of the Champions League on their first participation, that’s no small feat. There are 5 games left into the season and a possible Liga/Taça double to grab, like last year. The 4pts lead in the Liga must not be wasted, they need to focus and show Portugal that they were not the team of a single season.


Apr.22 / Pr.Liga (#31) – União Madeira v Vitoria Setubal : 1-2
.goals : Figo, Bruno Melo
.assist : C.Ronaldo
.MoM : -
-> It’s a tough and very disputed game in Funchal against promoted União Madeira who are battling to avoid relegation. They cannot avoid the 1st goal when Figo is the quickest on the rebound in front of the keeper (10’), but it’s only justice when they equalize at the 59’. Os Guerreiros show incredible solidarity, fighting like hell, and it pays off as on the 85’ after a heated situation in the area, captain Bruno Melo pounds the winning goal from outside the area!

What a very important away win this is, as FC Porto dominate Belenenses (2-0) and remain 4pts behind with 3 games to go.


As Bruno Melo gets his 2nd cap and Ednilson his 1st cap while at Setubal (he had one from before) – unfortunately during a (1-4) routing in Zagreb vs Croatia - Felipe Oliveira is capped in Portugal B. Ricardo is less fortunate as he picks an injury during training - he is out for a month, probably the end of his season here.


FC Porto don’t drop anything as they win away vs Maritimo (3-1) and put pressure on Setubal before their Monday night game…

May.1 / Pr.Liga (#32) – Vitoria Setubal v Aves : 3-1
.goals : Figo (2), Moreira
.assist : Nélson Veiga (2), Ouedraogo
.MoM : Figo
-> One can feel Setubal players are tired, some may say on the brink of exhaustion as they rush on the field and pressure Aves, but lack the usual composure and fluidity of their game. The sparkle comes from the flanks with Nélson Veiga (twice) and Ouedraogo crossing in for 2 great goals in the 1st half by Figo (MoM) and a late (90') 3rd goal by Moreira. But in the 2nd half Os Guerreiros let Aves back in the game at (2-1) and C.Ronaldo loses his temper and gets the 1st red-card of his career, which coud have tilted the game towards a draw… he will miss out on the next match, but this win as all wins lately was crucial so Vitora march on.


FC Porto have a difficult schedule: Benfica (home) and Boavista (away). They play first and beat Benfica (2-1).

Setubal need 3pts to be champions, and they have 2 games left:
- Vit. Guimarães (away)
- Farense (home)

A draw, or two draws for that matter, do not help since if both teams are equal on points, Porto wins on better one-to-one goal-difference. So Os Guerreiros will travel up north to long-standing rivals Guimarães for the win.

Kingsley
07-11-14, 08:50 AM
Unlucky to loose to Inter, but you have to say they were professional and got the job done. Just remember that revenge is a dish best served cold.

League title is yours to loose now. Good to see that you have been challenged all the way to the finishing line.

troza
07-11-14, 09:49 AM
So close to the second title and another portuguese cup!

Great win against Barcelona. Those are some games... :)

Too bad about that Inter game at home... the red card was crazy... this game will do lots of stupid things like that.

You're on your way to the champion's league title. Just keep doing what you're doing and believing. With more titles and good champion's league campaigns, you'll start to get good players before they are 34/35 :P

kuy
07-11-14, 11:59 AM
You did brilliantly to get to the Champions League quarter-finals, and looking at the other seven teams who qualified it would have been a miracle if you got further - that really is the top table of European football! If you keep doing well domestically you'll get more and more experience of European football and hopefully you can go further soon :ok:

BobMem
07-11-14, 12:22 PM
The ultimate smash and grab from Inter, everything went against you there and they came and did what they had to. A shame but you can hold your head up high, you went out battling to the end.

It's a funny old game.

Enough clichés for you?! :lol:

Win the away game, then celebrate with the trophy in front of your own fans. The only way to do it!
KUTGW!

Kingsley
07-11-14, 12:31 PM
Draw the away game then have a packed stadium to see you lift the title. Got to maximise the revenues

ZanSnake
07-11-14, 06:51 PM
Too bad with Inter :(

But the title looks like yours to grab :)

RuiEsteves
08-11-14, 04:26 PM
Unlucky to loose to Inter, but you have to say they were professional and got the job done. Just remember that revenge is a dish best served cold.

They were arrogant twats who rubbed it in when it was unnecessary. I'll eat it cold, yeah.



League title is yours to loose now. Good to see that you have been challenged all the way to the finishing line.

FC Porto are not dropping anything, they are having a superb season.

RuiEsteves
08-11-14, 04:28 PM
So close to the second title and another portuguese cup!
Great win against Barcelona. Those are some games... :)

This game is great !



Too bad about that Inter game at home... the red card was crazy... this game will do lots of stupid things like that.

Inter deserved to go through and it was all over by then, but basically Bruno Melo (unbooked befored) protested against the ref for the hand-ball call -> straight red-card! usually, they get a talking to or a YC.



You're on your way to the champion's league title. Just keep doing what you're doing and believing. With more titles and good champion's league campaigns, you'll start to get good players before they are 34/35 :P

Not sure I want to part away from the current lot, they're a great bunch of lads!

RuiEsteves
08-11-14, 04:48 PM
Tito travels to Guimarães without West, Diop, Ricardo (injured) and C.Ronaldo (suspended). Sitting 10th in the table, the northern side can neither hope for Europe nor fear relegation; they should nevertheless do all they can to prevent the “other Vitoria” in their bid to win back-to-back titles.

May.7 / Pr.Liga (#33) – Vitoria Guimarães v Vitoria Setubal : 1-2

- 1’: Guimarães start with an attacking spirit, confiscate the ball which ends up with Guga, he runs into the area and shoots and it’s…. GOL! oh they score on the very 1st minute and Vitoria have not even touched the ball what a terrible start for the Champions. (1-0).
- 9’: it’s now Luis Figo with the ball on the right side, he approaches the area and bends a long-range shot… into the nets, what a strike that was! GOL! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! Luis Figo levels the score (1-1) !
- 14’: it’s Figo again on the right flank, he crosses-in for Ednilson -> keeper Ricardo saves.
- 22’: this time Moreira chips in the area for Ednilson (MoM) who is free, he pounds a heavy shot and GOL! GOL GOL GOL! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! Setubal take the lead, it's looking good! (1-2).

- 24': the hosts try to react but Nuno Assis' strike is wide
- 32': it's an interesting combination between Figo and Pena, but the Brazilian striker puts it too high
- 45': Guimarães panick in their own area, Ednilson tries first then Bruno Melo pounds on goal -> parried. Half-time.

- 58': Ghanaian Kwame Ayew gets a clean shot on target, parried by Marco Tabuas
- It's a quiet 2nd half for Os Guerreiros who are in control and take no risk. In come Tiago Silva and Lassissi.
- 86': a last attempt on a corner-kick, Bruno Melo rises and heads the ball -> parried by keeper Ricardo


After a poor start, they reacted quickly and got in 2 goals; it was a quiet game thereafter, which means that one game before the end with their 4pts lead :


VITORIA SETUBAL are crowned CHAMPIONS of PORTUGAL for the 2nd year in a row !

Os Guerreiros have done it again; in spite of the great challenge from FC Porto and the impossible fixture with Europe and the Portuguese Cup, they've managed 9 consecutive Liga wins since the beginning of March and clinch another title - this time it's been more difficult than last season.

It's a superb consecration for Tito Forbs whose side is having another great year. There is still the Taça de Portugal final against Sporting CP, for a possible 2nd consecutive double... the coach decides to give one week break off training for all the lads who have started ~40 games this season, namely: Bras, Diop, Nélson Veiga, Ednilson, Bruno Melo, Binho, Figo and C.Ronaldo.

Kingsley
10-11-14, 09:35 AM
:hail::hail::hail::hail::hail:

RuiEsteves
10-11-14, 10:48 AM
May.14 / Pr.Liga (#34) – Vitoria Setubal v Farense : 3-0
.goals : Marajo (2), Felipe Oliveira
.assist : João Paiva, Teixeira
.MoM : Marajo
-> The "reserves" are having a go in Bonfim for the final game and they do well. Marajo (MoM) confirms he remains an option for the 1st team with another superb game (and a splendid free-kick). Young Academy graduate Fernandes gets his 1st ever appearance as a professional player at 16yr-old.


Final table - Primeira Liga 2005/06 :

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- In the end it's a 6pts lead on FC Porto since they drew at Boavista in the final game. Setubal have again the best attack (74 goals) but surprisingly given their tactics, only the 3rd defense this season (27 conceded). 83pts in total is a very good score, although 8pts less than last season's all-time record.
- Sporting CP are out of the top2 for the 1st time in 5 seasons. Benfica on the other hand, are not in the top2 for the 8th consecutive season. Infesta, Estrela Amadora and (shockingly) Varzim are relegated.
- Promoted from Segunda: Campomaiorense, Beira-Mar and Chaves. Académica on the other hand, descend into the Lower Leagues!

Top10 Players of the Season:

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Once again DMC's Ednilson and Bruno Melo are shining for Vitoria with an exceptional season. Marius Niculae for Sporting CP looking at following the footsteps of Mario Jardel as best Player and best scorer! Luis Figo just sitting out of the Top10 at 13th position, with a very solid season.

In the run-up to the Taça Final, Bruno Melo's body says no more. He picks a 3-weeks injury and it's a double-heart break: he won't play the Cup Final but also misses on the World Cup with Portugal!

troza
10-11-14, 11:29 AM
That's some bad luck to Bruno Melo :(

RuiEsteves
10-11-14, 11:51 AM
That's some bad luck to Bruno Melo :(
Indeed... there are still Marco Tabuas, Nélson Veiga, Ednilson and Cristiano Ronaldo with realistic hopes of being part of the Selecção WC squad. Much less likely for Luis Figo.

troza
10-11-14, 12:22 PM
Indeed... there are still Marco Tabuas, Nélson Veiga, Ednilson and Cristiano Ronaldo with realistic hopes of being part of the Selecção WC squad. Much less likely for Luis Figo.

Didnt you start to use Hugo Pinheiro?

Figo might still go as they get there more by reputation than actual attributes. :P

RuiEsteves
10-11-14, 02:04 PM
Didnt you start to use Hugo Pinheiro?

I did, he has started ~15 games but was only half-convincing. Marco Tabuas has gotten back into the race, has played the last few games of the season and will play the Cup Final.



Figo might still go as they get there more by reputation than actual attributes. :P

Maybe, but he wasn't called up in the Portugal squad for the Spring friendlies.

troza
10-11-14, 02:29 PM
Ok then he might be out of the race... :P

I can't see why would you play Marco Tábuas instead of Hugo Pinheiro... unless he is on one of his worse games :P

RuiEsteves
10-11-14, 03:04 PM
I can't see why would you play Marco Tábuas instead of Hugo Pinheiro... unless he isn't on one of his worse games :P
Marco Tabuas has been our keeper in 2002/03 (7.33, best Keeper of the Liga), in 2003/04 (captain, 7.39 and again best Keeper of the Liga) and in 2004/05 (captain, Champions, 7.26 and 2nd best Keeper of the Liga). All those years he has been called up almost every time (although never capped) in the Portuguese squad, including for Euro 2004. So before this season's dip in form, he had been border-line excellent. I will admit though, that he had a few awkward moments such as being sent off in the 2004 UEFA Cup Final vs Lyon, which could have cost us the trophy.

Hugo Pinheiro on the other hand, had one exceptional game in Aug.04 in European Supercup as he stopped 3 penalties from AS Roma and gave us the trophy. It was fair to give him his chance this season when Marco Tabuas struggled in January. He started well, had a few average games, and lost his spot when he let in 3 goals vs Inter in one half. One last comment on Pinheiro: on paper looking at his attributes, he does not look like the god-like keeper everyone seems to say he is in ODB.68... 15 at Handling is very good, but not world-class; 7 in Reflexes is poor, 11 at Positioning average...

Tito is not sure what to do for next season between both. On the one hand he is fortunate to have 2 such keepers at hand, on the other hand he won't like rotating between both.

troza
10-11-14, 03:20 PM
Marco Tabuas has been our keeper in 2002/03 (7.33, best Keeper of the Liga), in 2003/04 (captain, 7.39 and again best Keeper of the Liga) and in 2004/05 (captain, Champions, 7.26 and 2nd best Keeper of the Liga). All those years he has been called up almost every time (although never capped) in the Portuguese squad, including for Euro 2004. So before this season's dip in form, he had been border-line excellent. I will admit though, that he had a few awkward moments such as being sent off in the 2004 UEFA Cup Final vs Lyon, which could have cost us the trophy.

Hugo Pinheiro on the other hand, had one exceptional game in Aug.04 in European Supercup as he stopped 3 penalties from AS Roma and gave us the trophy. It was fair to give him his chance this season when Marco Tabuas struggled in January. He started well, had a few average games, and lost his spot when he let in 3 goals vs Inter in one half. One last comment on Pinheiro: on paper looking at his attributes, he does not look like the god-like keeper everyone seems to say he is in ODB.68... 15 at Handling is very good, but not world-class; 7 in Reflexes is poor, 11 at Positioning average...

Tito is not sure what to do for next season between both. On the one hand he is fortunate to have 2 such keepers at hand, on the other hand he won't like rotating between both.


Looking at it that way... I remember him being better... although he was rarely my 1st goalkeeper (he was with Barreirense if I'm not mistaken): Chiotis was legendary in a game I made with Benfica... I know, that's just another goalkeeper that isn't that regular from game to game. I also remember one Constanzo that I never liked that much... and Voulgaris although he would always for Chiotis and Pinheiro to go away... but I know that I'm no expert in choosing good goalkeepers :P

And I guess that you have it corrected. Cristiano Ronaldo wasn't that good on the original game and there was Tó Madeira :P

But Marco Tábuas wasn't that good on the game. And I hate him cause he really did look like the best keeper ever against my team (in reality). In the game, he never game me problems but once or twice :P Ah, and I never used him :P (from what I remember).

But then... those are good grades for your starting goalkeeper... at least in the league. If he's doing that well, just keep him in the starting 11. Use Pinheiro in some easy cup games, in the meaningless champions games (when you're already in the next round and you still have 2 group stage games) and some meaningless/easy league games (if you ever need to rest Marco Tábuas: I usually rest my goalkeeper's as I always found that they started to have bad games if the didn't rest once in a while... but I only do this if I have 100% confidence in my second Goalkeeper and if the game isn't a must win game).

RuiEsteves
11-11-14, 09:35 AM
@troza: it's quite possible indeed that Hugo Pinheiro has been tuned down in ODB 3.9.68 patch. In any case he's well into the squad and has already marked Setubal's history.

I like Marco Tabuas, although I never saw him play myself. This is what Clay Datsusara had to say about him (this thread, posts #17 and #42):


About Marco Tabuas, I don't remember a more spectacular gk than him. He was capable of the best and the worst. I always wanted to see Vitoria's games highlits to see what whether he was MOM or he made a huge miscalculation coming out of the goal.
....
I wouldnt say Tabuas is the most legendary keeper in the history of the club, far from it, but he seemed to represent those yoyo years, when the club was going up and down divisions. He seemed spectacularly solid on some occasions and comically incompetent on others. Silvino is maybe the last great GK to have come out of Setubal. But you should get Luis Russo's opinion on that

Pedro Espinha had a good running back in the day: Belenenses, Salgueiros, Vitoria SC, then he jumped to Porto, where he was only a sub, but before that he was even called to the national team. When he got to Setubal he wason the descending end of his career but still one of the best in his position. Tabuas wouldnt stand a chance in a normal day. Hugo Pinheiro... well, he's a CM legend.


And here is what Luis Russo, Setubal fan, said in post #55:


Silvino ws probably the most notorious gk that came out of Vitória's ranks. He started to play at the club in his younger years not as a footballer but as an handball player There were others who had decent spells at the club, such as Jorge Martins who ended his career here and don't forget he was selected as the 3rd gk in the portuguese national squad in Mexico 86.

Marco Tábuas was agile sun of a gun but his goal positioning was shite. But we love the guy cause he feels the club and was a key player in the dressing room. He was nicknamed Tubarão (the shark) Dunno why...

Chiotis is not in ODB 3.9.68, not sure about Constanzo and Voulgaris. In any case Tito will only consider Portuguese GK for Vitoria - don't ask me why exactly... ;-)

troza
11-11-14, 09:55 AM
I won't negate all that about those goalkeeper's... I never saw Hugo Pinheiro but I saw the other 2.

About Chiotis, I don't know why but I guess that he was tuned down and you didn't have the greek league... but he is real: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dionisis_Chiotis

RuiEsteves
11-11-14, 10:02 AM
yeah I just checked again and neither Chiotis, Constanzo nor Voulgaris are to be found in my game...

RuiEsteves
11-11-14, 10:23 AM
Tito goes into the Final of Taça de Portugal withou his playmaker and captain Bruno Melo. Paulo Teixeira will replace him in DMC. Marco Tabuas will skip, Bocas starts ahead of Diop at CB and it's Pena upfront. The rest of the team are the usual starters.

May.24 / Taça (Final) – Sporting CP v Vitoria Setubal / Jamor, Lisboa

- It's a very hot day here in Lisboa (33°C) for the Cup Final. Sporting CP will be looking to upset the double-champions who have the opportunity to clinch an incredible back-to-back double!
- Setubal's line-up features several ex-Sporting players: star Luis Figo of course, but also Cristiano Ronaldo and Paulo Teixeira who came out of Sporting's Youth Academy.

- 14': it's been a quiet start but here's Luis Figo on the left wing, he crosses-in for Brazilian Pena (MoM) who strikes a superb header -> parried by keeper Silvio Luis, but the 32yr-old veteran striker is the quickest on the rebound and he scores, GOL! GOOOOOOOOOOOOL! (0-1) it's a great start for the Champions.
- 24': another very bad news hits Os Guerreiros: C.Ronaldo walks out injured (3-weeks), subbed by Moreira. The young forward will also miss out on the upcoming Wolrd Cup, oh after Bruno Melo that's another heart-break!
- 25': Vitoria show their muscles as they collect their 3rd YC already. They have no intention of letting Sporting back in this game!

- 31': nice free-kick from Luis Figo, parried by Silvio Luis.
- 43': it's the 1st time Sporting are dangerous really, as Lopes' volley grazes the crossbar.
- Half-time. Setubal have taken the lead and are firmly in control of the game here.

- 54': Nélson Veiga is fouled on this corner-kick and the ref calls a penalty! it's the match killer, Nélson Veiga steps up and... it's parried by Silvio Luis, oh no! Vitoria could regret this!
- 78': a tired Luis Figo is being subbed by Marajo, cheered by the entire stadium. What a way to end his career with his first ever Portuguese Champions title and maybe now, the Taça!
- 85': Sporting last push, a crossing falls to Lopes who volleys -> above.
- 86': Thomas Gravesen finds Beto in the area, the CB strikes and -> oh what a save here by Marco Tabuas, superb hand!


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That's it! it's been a tight, controlled game but veterans Luis Figo and Pena have done the job and VITORIA wins the Taça de Portugal, for the 2nd year in a row and the 4th in their History! it's an amazing back-to-back double, and even a treble this season with the Supercup!

Oh what an amazing year this has been for Tito Forbs and Os Guerreiros. Setubal have established themselves as one of Portugal's greats now, and have definitely marked History.

Baron Zbimg
11-11-14, 11:35 AM
Great season for Setubal! By the way the other keeper is Costanzo not Constanzo, he starts at River and should definitely be in the game.


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troza
11-11-14, 12:24 PM
Congrats!!!

Will Figo really retire after this season?

At least he won the portuguese league and a second cup :P

Too bad about Cristiano Ronaldo. Hey, who cares? He must be available for the club, not for the national team. You're the one paying him :P

And I guess Baron Zbimg must be right. I didn't check so I might be wrong (I almost never signed him)

kuy
11-11-14, 04:01 PM
Well done, looks like Marco Tabuas repaid your faith with that crucial late save! It's a shame that Ronaldo will miss the World Cup but he'll have plenty of opportunities in the future, plus he'll be fresh and raring to go next season!

ZanSnake
11-11-14, 06:35 PM
You just keep wining the trophies :shocked:

What's the ultimate goal now then Rui?

BobMem
11-11-14, 11:37 PM
Great double double! Well played :clap:

Fourfourtwo
11-11-14, 11:43 PM
Nice work. Dominant now. Are Portugal looking for a manager?

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 12:16 AM
Great season for Setubal! By the way the other keeper is Costanzo not Constanzo, he starts at River and should definitely be in the game.

Thanks Baron. That's right Costanzo, in fact we played against him last year when we faced River in the Club World Championship semi-final! his attributes are really impressive indeed.

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 12:17 AM
Thanks troza!



Will Figo really retire after this season?
At least he won the portuguese league and a second cup :P

No Tito has convinced him to extend until 2008 so he stays next season, maybe coming more often from the bench. And that's right, he got a Portuguese Liga title at the end of his career + another Cup, ain't it nice?

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 12:20 AM
Well done, looks like Marco Tabuas repaid your faith with that crucial late save! It's a shame that Ronaldo will miss the World Cup but he'll have plenty of opportunities in the future, plus he'll be fresh and raring to go next season!
Marco Tabuas was not really busy in that Final but he did make that final crucial save on Beto; you're quite right, I like to think it's Tito's reward for giving him another chance!
Both Bruno Melo and C.Ronaldo missed out of the World Cup, and neither Ednilson nor Figo were selected in the Portugal squad...

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 12:24 AM
What's the ultimate goal now then Rui?
Not sure to be honest, just like the job as it is. Like the squad, want to see further of a few of these players. Staying on top of Portuguese football is the prime objective, it will never be easy with the Big Three always there. The ultimate dream is the Champions League, but that may take time and definitely some luck. On a personal level and given his background, if Tito was to be asked to take the reins of the Portugal Selecção, then it would be a dream. They have not done so well those last few years.

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 12:25 AM
Nice work. Dominant now. Are Portugal looking for a manager?
Thanks. No they are not for the time being. They qualified for the WC in Germany, but they just had a rather woeful tournament... that's a job Tito would for sure like. A lot.

Baron Zbimg
12-11-14, 12:40 AM
That's definitely a job for Tito, he wouldn't foolishly leave Ednilson home for sure !!


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RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 12:45 AM
Vitoria Setubal 2005/06 Starting XI. The subs are those who have had enough appearances to be considered as Primeira Liga winners. This is the team that has won 4 trophies this season : Club World Champions + the domestic treble of Liga, Cup and Supercup. 2 changes from last year (Bruno Melo, Figo); 27.3 yr-old in average, only 1 player from Youth Academy (Marco Tabuas).


http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/StartingXI-05-06_zps618d1e01.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/StartingXI-05-06_zps618d1e01.png.html)

We will follow-on with the traditional end of year squad round-up, position by position.

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 12:50 AM
- Marco Tabuas (c) (29) / 43 app – 1 MoM / 7.14
The 4th consecutive season in the goals for the Setubal-born, but not the easiest one as he was challenged by Hugo Pinheiro. Lost his spot for a few months due to poor attitude following a (0-3) routing in Porto. He eventually recovered and played the last few games, including the Cup Final in which he made an important final save. Tito has forgiven but not forgotten, he gave the armband to Bruno Melo.

- Hugo Pinheiro (25) / 17 app – 1 MoM / 7.00
Finally got his chance in January and had a decent run between the sticks… which ended when he let in 3 goals in one half at Giuseppe Meazza vs Inter. Needs to work harder if he wants the n°1 position.

- Paulo Sergio (35) / unused
Enjoying his pre-retirement as 3rd keeper in the club he started at; only 1-yr of contract left.

No changes expected next season.

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 12:52 AM
That's definitely a job for Tito, he wouldn't foolishly leave Ednilson home for sure !!

That's for sure! and there's plenty other stuff he would do much differently!

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 12:55 AM
- Rahim Ouedraogo (25) / 30(6) app – 3 ass / 6.89
The 2nd season is often tougher and this proved true for the Burkina-Faso left back. His red-card at the Luz vs Benfica followed by an 8-games suspension damaged his reputation and hurt his morale, as Forbs had to bring in more depth and recruited Taribo West who started most games from then on. Still a versatile full-back who will remain involved in the squad’s rotation.

- Tiago Silva (27) / 16(10) app – 3 ass / 6.92
The Brazilian had a decent season and covered well the left flank during Ouedraogo’s suspension. Adds depth but may get less play time next year.

- Taribo West (32) / 16 app – 2 goa, 1 ass / 7.19
The big Nigerian arrived in January and started every Liga game (sadly, he was not qualified for the Champions League). A good start at the club, should still have a couple good years in him and can also cover at DC. Should be a starter next season.

Finally enough depth at that position, no changes for next year.

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 12:58 AM
- Nélson Veiga (28) / 50 app – 3 goa, 7 ass / 7.24
The only player to have been a starter in each of the 5 seasons under Tito Forbs. It’s been another very solid year by the Portuguese international who played a record-breaking 50 games! Picked in Portugal’s World Cup squad. Untouchable.

- Saliou Lassissi (27) / 10(5) app – 2 goa / 6.93
Another season as a sub for Lassissi, did the job well either at DR or DC. Unprotected contract, does not wish to renew.

No changes for next year (unless Lassissi was to leave), Ouedraogo offering the required depth if need be.

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 01:03 AM
- Bras (29) / 42 app – 2 ass, 1 MoM / 6.98
A solid season, albeit not as spectacular as the previous. Got his 1st red-card, which was harsh - so no sanction taken. A pilar in the eyes of the coach.

- Pape Malik Diop (31) / 37 app – 1 ass / 6.95
The Senegalese rock renewed his contract and had a good 3rd season at Setubal, although a little under par compared to previous ones. Was challenged by the arrival of Bocas, in danger of losing his starting slot to the Portuguese DC next year. Acquired Portuguese citizenship.

- Bocas (25) / 32(1) app / 7.03
The versatile Portuguese DC almost nailed the starting slot from Diop on his 1st year. A solid run and great replacement for Emerson Thome who left for Brazil. Was impressive in particular against a few world-class strikers in the Champions League; the only Guerreiro to put in a good game vs Inter in Milan. Will strive to be a starter next season.

- Pepe (23) / 4(1) app / 7.20
Very little game time, tired of waiting. Uncertain future.

- Eric Matoukou (22) / 2 app / 7.00
Played less than previous seasons. Uncertain future. Now a starter at DC for Cameroon, involved with them in World Cup.

- Nuno Rodrigues (19) / 0(1) app / 6.00
Still very young and not ready for first team football. Made available for a loan.

No changes for next season. Enough depth; Bras/Diop/Bocas will battle out for the starting slots. Pepe and Matoukou add depth for as long as they wish to stay.

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 01:14 AM
- EDNILSON (22) / 47 app – 6 goa, 14 ass, 5 MoM / 7.79. Member of the Primeira Liga Team of the Year. 3rd Best Player of the Liga. Fans Player of the Year.
A consecration year for the young midfielder as he had yet another amazing season, and was member of the Team of the Year for the 2nd consecutive time. He was also best Guerreiro, 3rd in the Liga, and voted again Fans Player of the Year! As complete and important as ever. Rewarded by an international cap but not going to the World Cup was a let down.

- Bruno Melo (24) / 48 app – 12 goa, 10 ass, 8 MoM / 7.77. Member of the Primeira Liga Team of the Year.
At 24 yr-old the playmaker went into another dimension as he finally got a starter slot for a whole season with Setubal. He was given the armband by Tito and had a fantastic run at DMC along with team-mate Ednilson. 2nd time he is member of the Team of the Year, finished 6th Best Liga Player overall. Got his first international caps as he started 2 games with Portugal – before an injury in May shattered his World Cup hopes.

- Binho (28) / 44(2) app – 8 goa, 2 ass, 1 MoM / 7.20
Won the central DMC position over Luis Andrade, had a good season but under-par compared to previous ones. Still a great asset and his figthing spirit is never in doubt.

- Luis Andrade (32) / 19(12) app – 3 goa, 1 ass, 1 MoM / 6.94
He decided to stay at the club and although he did not manage a 5th consecutive starting slot, he played a lot and well, with his usual bravery. Tito convinced him to continue fighting for Setubal until 2008.

- Paulo Teixeira (25) / 16(5) app – 1 goa, 3 ass, 1 MoM / 7.48
Finally delivered and got a lot of play-time. What a great season! If he was more of a grafter, he would really contend for Binho’s slot. Should carry on rotating next season, moved to 4th in hierarchy.

- Bosingwa (23) / 6(14) app – 1 goa, 2 ass / 7.05
Started less than last year as he slipped behind Teixeira at n°6 in the DMC hierarchy. Needs to further improve to really contend for a starting position.

- Fernandes (16) / 0(1) app / 7.00
- Sérgio Daniel (16) / unused
- Armando Rosa (17) / unused
The 3 young Academy products got close to no play-time and have been made available on loan. Need game time to improve.

DMC remains the strongest position of the team. There are rumours Tito is considering bringing in some young recruits at winter mercato for a little more depth. Possibly from Brazil…

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 01:24 AM
- Luis Figo (33) / 46(1) app – 14 goa, 13 ass, 3 MoM / 7.47
The Portuguese superstar did not disappoint, started most games, avoided injuries and secured at 33 yr-old his 1st ever Portuguese Champions title! Although not as explosive as in his younger years, his experience and class were great assets towards the end of the season and especially during the Cup Final. Tito convinces him to extend his contract by 1 more yr; he is likely to come more often from the bench.

- Cristiano Ronaldo (21) / 47 app – 13 goa, 8 ass, 6 MoM / 7.32
After the saga of his aborted departure, Ronaldo had a great Club World Championship and enjoyed an entire season playing alongside idol Luis Figo. He had moments of brilliance, but overall lacked consistency. Got his 1st red-card, as well as his 2nd international cap. Missed out on World Cup due to injury picked during the Cup Final. Needs to work harder and not get complacent.

- Almani Moreria (27) / 14(32) app – 7 goa, 7 ass, 1 MoM / 7.11
It must have been terribly frustrating to be a sub after his amazing season last year; still Moreira was very professional and did a great job whenever he came on - which was almost at each game. Still very much a key element of Tito’s attacking trio for next season.

- Artur Correia (25) / 5(11) app – 2 goa, 3 ass / 7.13
At 25yr-old he never had so much play time at Setubal. Did well but was exposed in the Champions League against top-level opposition. Taking a leadership role wih the Angola squad, plays in the World Cup. A good option from the bench, but not a starter in Tito’s mind.

- Felipe Olveira (22) / 6(8) app – 2 goa / 6.79
Worked hard at training and got some play-time. A very interesting option in the future, real talent here.

- Marajo (25) / 5(4) app – 2 goa, 3 ass, 2 MoM / 7.44
Tito remembered he existed towards the end of the season, and the Brazilian had a couple of great games reminding everyone of his incredible talent. Could he really contend again for a starting position? Some suggest even as Striker…

- Maniche (28) / 0(2) app / 6.50
Dropped to 7th in AMC hierarchy, not really an option anymore. Failed to impress. Tito has put him on transfer-list.

- Hélder Mario (20) / unused. Not good enough to be a contender. Available for a loan.
- César Silva (19) / unused. Too weak, transfer-listed.

Plenty of depth here, but Tito continues to be slightly frustrated at AMC. Will Luis Figo have in him another season at this level? in spite of having Moreira & Marajo, as well as the improvements of Correia & Oliveira, the coach decides to go ahead with a free-transfer from relegated Varzim. The Angolan international will get a £4.6k/w wage and receives a fat £425k sign-on bonus. He should be a great additon to the position next season :


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There are also persistent rumours that a prominent transfer from Brazil is lined-up for the winter mercato… (let's see which reader guesses this one right, I will give hints if requested).

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 01:28 AM
- Pena (32) / 32(3) app – 22 goa, 6 ass, 7 MoM / 7.60
The Bonfim Brazilian idol had another great run at 32 yr-old, scoring an impressive 22 goals in 32 starts. He accepted the challenge of Ricardo, worked hard and played the end of of season when the young striker got injured. Scored the only goal in the Cup Final. Tito managed to convince him to extend his contract by 1 more yr, on a rotational basis.

- Ricardo (21) / 19(1) app – 14 goa, 2 ass, 4 MoM / 7.70
An amazing start for the young gun who arrived in January, with 14 goals in only 20 apps, and 4 MoM. Raw talent, if he works hard has everything to be the starting striker next year.

- João Paiva (23) / 3(4) app – 1 goa, 1 ass / 7.00
Demoralized when he heard the news Ricardo had signed. Will he accept another season on the bench?

- Tiago Mota (25) / 0(4) app – 1 goa / 6.75
Worked hard at training and got a few apps as sub. Seems happy to just add depth. 4th in hierarchy, will struggle to really contend.

No changes for next season; several AMC’s (Moreira and Marajo in particular) can also cover the position.

ZanSnake
12-11-14, 02:48 AM
Not sure to be honest, just like the job as it is. Like the squad, want to see further of a few of these players. Staying on top of Portuguese football is the prime objective, it will never be easy with the Big Three always there. The ultimate dream is the Champions League, but that may take time and definitely some luck. On a personal level and given his background, if Tito was to be asked to take the reins of the Portugal Selecção, then it would be a dream. They have not done so well those last few years.

How about trying to get Portugal as the best nation in the country in the world rankings?

Baron Zbimg
12-11-14, 09:05 AM
A player like Kaka seems a bit out of your reach but why not ?
Or Bruno ? Pinga ?


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troza
12-11-14, 09:43 AM
Just one question: how about T.West as a center defender? Did you ever needed to use him in that position?

And it will be interesting to see how will you use Figo next season. He won't be as good but he will still have lots of talent to help you from the bench or in easier games. I guess that it will be hard to use him in the starting 11 against the top teams all season.

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 12:55 PM
A player like Kaka seems a bit out of your reach but why not ?
Or Bruno ? Pinga ?

wow, I'm very very impressed. I gave no hint other than AMC and Brazil, first guess and bingo. That's right, Kaka will land in Bonfim next December. He chose Setubal ahead of Sevilla ! had to break my wage record (>£10k/w) but he did not request a release clause.

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 12:59 PM
Just one question: how about T.West as a center defender? Did you ever needed to use him in that position?

Someone else (Baron maybe) already suggested this. I can see how great he would be at CB but I've got plenty of depth there as you can see from the squad reviews. It's as DL that I primarily recruited him for.



And it will be interesting to see how will you use Figo next season. He won't be as good but he will still have lots of talent to help you from the bench or in easier games. I guess that it will be hard to use him in the starting 11 against the top teams all season.

I really have plenty of options there now, with of course C.Ronaldo, Moreira, Mendonça, subs Marajo, Artur Correia and Felipe Oliveira... and of course Kaka coming in soon! I will monitor how Figo goes through the 6 weeks-vacation period + 3-weeks of intensive fitness training as he is nearing 34yr-old. I am expecting his stamina and other physical attributes to take a dive, we shall see... he accepted his contract renewal on the basis of squad rotation.

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 01:03 PM
@all : the Portuguese Selecção job has just opened up as Mario Reis got fired following a poor WC. How does that work? I never did it before. Should I apply or will they short-list a few coaches and call them for interviews? if I am selected, do I need to drop Setubal? if not, how much time consuming is coaching a national squad on top of a club side? how do you search through players, select them, etc...? are there specific scouts working for you? do you also need to manage the B team and the U21? sounds like a full-time job really and I have no intention of dropping my dear Vitoria...

cheers

BobMem
12-11-14, 02:19 PM
You can do both jobs at the same time. There's no specific staff, you have to use your own. You don't have to manage the U21s or B team, just the A team.
Oh, and you have to apply, and you probably won't get it anyway :lol:

troza
12-11-14, 03:03 PM
@all : the Portuguese Selecção job has just opened up as Mario Reis got fired following a poor WC. How does that work? I never did it before. Should I apply or will they short-list a few coaches and call them for interviews? if I am selected, do I need to drop Setubal? if not, how much time consuming is coaching a national squad on top of a club side? how do you search through players, select them, etc...? are there specific scouts working for you? do you also need to manage the B team and the U21? sounds like a full-time job really and I have no intention of dropping my dear Vitoria...

cheers

You don't leave Vitória. With Barreirense I've coached Nigeria, Portugal, Holand, Paraguay, Italy, Russia and Germany (not by this order) without leaving Barreirense. But I kind of suck with national teams... I start well but then there is not enough patience to do a proper search every year as I do that for my club :P

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 03:11 PM
@BobMem: why not? in the Manager Stats it says that my reputation is "World Class" (ranked 3rd!); on "Manager Points" I am sitting 5th in the World (behind Ancelotti, van Gaal, Cuper and Hitzfeld) and I am N°1 in the "Overall Match Record". Sounds like the game and therefore I would think, the Portuguese Federação, would consider me as a pretty decent coach!

@troza: that's the thing, knowing Tito he will want to do the job thoroughly and may end-up not able to do both well in parallel... by the way I thought one could only manage countries with a league selected. How did you get to coach Nigeria or Paraguay?

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 03:45 PM
There was a very unusual double for the city of Milan in the 2005/06 European competitions :

- Inter prevailed (2-1) over FC Barcelona in the Champions League Final. This rendered the spanking Setubal received from the Nerazzuri in the quarter-finals (0-3, 0-1) a little less bitter.

- AC Milan went on to win the UEFA Cup, beating Chelsea (3-1) in the Final.


Meanwhile, the UEFA coefficient of Portugal continues to improve : 5th rank. As a result next season, 3 teams (Vitoria Setubal, FC Porto and Sporting CP) will play in the Champions League, 3 in the UEFA Cup and 2 in the Intertoto. The great runs of Vitoria in recent European Competitions have most certainly played a role there.

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 04:00 PM
Bruno Melo and Cristiano Ronaldo ruled out on injuries, both Ednilson and Luis Figo were disheartened not to be included in the Portuguese Selecção squad named to travel to Germany for the World Cup. The list did however feature 2 Guerreiros in Marco Tabuas and Nélson Veiga. It also included ex-Setubal players Carlos Fernandes and surprisingly, Renato.


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Portugal were drawn into a Group from which most expected them to qualify from. The opening game was always going to be difficult as they lost to Argentina (0-2), but the next defeat vs Nigeria (1-2) was a shock and meant they were already out of the competition. The final game vs China (4-0) acted only as a consolation. It was a huge disappointment for the nation; a few of the old guard are now past their best (Xavier, João Pinto, Pauleta, Sa Pinto) while the next generation does not seem as talented. Marco Tabuas is still to get his 1st cap as he sat on the bench for all 3 games; Nélson Veiga came in against China, becoming the 1st ever Guerreiro to appear in a World Cup for Portugal!

Eric Matoukou started the first 2 games for Cameroon who drew to Uruguay (1-1) and Romania (1-1), before losing out on the final game to England (0-2) and exiting the tournament with honors. They put up a good fight but Matoukou failed to impress.

One of the surprises of the competition was the performance of Angola, skipped by Guerreiro Artur Correia and also featuring newly signed winger Mendonça. They prevailed vs Peru (2-0), drew vs Croatia (1-1) before shocking future winners France with a surprise (2-2) draw, thus advancing to the 2nd Round. There they faced the mighty Dutch and made them work hard, but eventually lost (1-3). An impressive run and the city of Setubal prided itsef for having 2 of its sons perform so well in the competition.

Holders Italy faced-off France in the Final (like in real life), and a double from Trézéguet helped the Frenchmen prevail and clinch a 2nd title to themselves.

As the Selecção returned home, it was announced :

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Mario Reis had failed to impress while he undoubtedly saw the last few good years of the greatest generation of players for Portugal :

- WC 2002 : Portugal qualified, stormed out of an easy group with 3 wins (over USA, Poland and South Korea) before crashing out to China in the 2nd Round on penalties.
- Euro 2004 : Portugal were automaticly qualified as organizers; they miserably failed to get out of their group (lost to Czech Republic; drew to Russia and Finland).
- WC 2006 : Portugal qualified, but never got out of an easy group (lost to Argentina and Nigeria, won vs China).

Was Tito Forbs going to apply? it seemed absolutely crazy given that he was a totally unknown caoch only 5 years ago. But the rumour was starting to spread in the face of his incredible achievements as Vitoria Setubal head coach. Forbs refused to make any comment.

Baron Zbimg
12-11-14, 04:39 PM
Applying for the job gives you the best chance to land it. National teams are easy to manage and don't take that much time. You can manage only the A Team if you want.

A nice plus : you'll cast a vote for the World Player of the Year award.


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Kingsley
12-11-14, 04:47 PM
You have to apply.
There is no point in deciding whether you can do both jobs until the offer is made, so crazy to decide you don't want it now.

U21 and B teams can take care of themselves. Managing an international side is not too arduous, infact it is pretty boring unless you have a club job too. I assemble a squad of about 30 or 40 players at the start of a season (put them in a shortlist so that you remember) then it is just a case of naming the match squad, picking the team and playing the match. Usually I would have a different tactic for internationals than club games as you may not have the players that you want for Internationals.

And another plus. You can get Portuguese players masked attributes (the ones blanked out) without scouting. Just bring them into the squad and hey-presto all of the fog has gone ! You can then dump them out of the squad if you don't like what you see :angel:

Baron Zbimg
12-11-14, 04:51 PM
You HAVE to apply Tito !!! This is a dreamjob for this story.


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RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 05:00 PM
WTF have I done ! you said I would not get it! it's all your fault guys !


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Ok time to go to bed on the side of the planet I am in right now. Need to think over this one. In the mean time, any forum link / quick guide / strategy & tips / advices I can take home on how to run a national team, does & dont's, pros & cons, etc... please send this way.

It may be too much work for Tito, he could get drowned into it. It can be a very interesting twist to the story though, but it will take even more time to report. Do I get the job for a certain period of time, or forever until they fire me? there's also the issue of ethics; need to check for role-playing reasons, whether this would be an issue to the morally rigid Forbs.

@Eejit: if I take it then for sure Tito will go with the only defensive tactic he knows about and which took him years to develop: the 4-3-2-1 famous "Os Guerreiros"! still have not understood who will manage B Team and U21 if I don't do it... there's an assistant coach? who will pick the players? is there a menu if I click Yes that will prompt what I want to do and how? do I have a special Portugal Squad selection/search window or control panel? as if I was managing a 2nd club? How do I switch from each role? are all the enws mixed up into one feed, or is everything separate? so many questions...

On the other hand Tito cannot suffer any longer the sight of the Selecção losing out to the likes of Finland or Nigeria.

troza
12-11-14, 05:06 PM
@BobMem: why not? in the Manager Stats it says that my reputation is "World Class" (ranked 3rd!); on "Manager Points" I am
@troza: that's the thing, knowing Tito he will want to do the job thoroughly and may end-up not able to do both well in parallel... by the way I thought one could only manage countries with a league selected. How did you get to coach Nigeria or Paraguay?

And Germany. I didn't select the german league back in 2009 so... And I guess that Russia is in that group. And I've refused Japan and South Africa cause my stay in Germany has been good as I've made the semi-finals on the euro and on the World Cup... and I don't have a great team but they do have a great defense :P Always lost cause I can't have a team ready to play in the semi-finals with lots of players not recovering their condition and I can't change that no matter what I do.

In CM01/02 you are able to play with some national teams even if you don't have their league. It isn't like CM98/99 :P

About the B team and the under-21.. well... if you're in Portugal, it is fun to play with them all... I'm avoiding that now since I don't care that much about that... if they are good, they'll be on the A team even if they are young. But I'm pretty sure that you can't choose your assistant...

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 11:19 PM
U21 and B teams can take care of themselves.

Is that the "Control all Teams" function in the drop-down menu? as long as I don't click that, I won't control B and U21 is this correct? also can there be conflicts, ie a player is selected by the AI for instance in U21 and I cannot select him in the A squad the following day? how does that work?



I assemble a squad of about 30 or 40 players at the start of a season (put them in a shortlist so that you remember) then it is just a case of naming the match squad, picking the team and playing the match.

Not clear how I bring players into the squad, I guess it must be done on a specific day and I will be prompted to do so... therefore I guess the shortlist you are referring to is not "in-game", but rather on an excel file or something.



And another plus. You can get Portuguese players masked attributes (the ones blanked out) without scouting. Just bring them into the squad and hey-presto all of the fog has gone ! You can then dump them out of the squad if you don't like what you see

I don't play with masked attributes on, if this is what you are refering to. Unless you mean hidden stats? in which case I still have not found out where to look to see them.

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 11:21 PM
In CM01/02 you are able to play with some national teams even if you don't have their league. It isn't like CM98/99 :P

Fair enough but how does this work? let's say I want to manage Angola, how do I apply for the job? can I do it at the start of the game by taking control of the national squad directly?



About the B team and the under-21.. well... if you're in Portugal, it is fun to play with them all... I'm avoiding that now since I don't care that much about that... if they are good, they'll be on the A team even if they are young. But I'm pretty sure that you can't choose your assistant...

But it would take a huge amount of scouting time, especially for the U21.

RuiEsteves
12-11-14, 11:39 PM
Quick question: I thought any player with Portuguese nationality could be brought into the Portugal squad? it does not seem true, I've just tried for instance with Pena (Brazilian/Portuguese) and he is not eligibile. He has never been called up with any Brazilian selection before. Can anyone explain? I've seen players before being called-up in the squad of their country of 2nd nationality, so this seems all a little confusing.

peterazo
12-11-14, 11:41 PM
@Rui Esteves managing a National team is actualy very easy, just click the accept button and everything will come naturaly! Good luck! I've managed Portugal and FC Porto for many seasons, the National team takes about 1/10 of the time the club does.

peterazo
12-11-14, 11:42 PM
About Pena... maybe he is retired from International football, just check it on his menu.

Baron Zbimg
12-11-14, 11:53 PM
About Pena... maybe he is retired from International football, just check it on his menu.

Yes I can't see another reason as he should definitely be available otherwise.

Also, you can call up a maximum of 26 players to the national squad and you can do this at any time, it's another available option of the player dropdown menu when you're a national team manager. The game will ask you to confirm your list before every international break and you'll have to select a list of 23 before international tournaments.0

I usually like to control all teams, but controling the U21 won't bring you prestige or anything, it's just for the beauty of the game and the satisfaction of seeing young players do well.

To have a full list of players available I usually search for the specific text: "portuguese", that´s the best way in my opinion.

Managing a national team is one of the funniest thing in the game imo, and even though it wouldn't be possible in Real life to manage both a club and a national team it's very easy in the game. Managing only your national team isn't fun at all.
Tito is the savior of Portugal, you just can't turn that job down, it wouldn't look like him:)


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RuiEsteves
13-11-14, 12:36 AM
An emissary from the Federação came directly to see him at the Bonfim training grounds that day after training, since the old-fashioned coach carried no mobile. Tito knew what it was about the instant he saw him: they were offering him THE job. Unbelievable. Just a few years back he was an outdated, conservative and obscure coach in the lower leagues... he was now being offered the most prestigious footballing job in the country.

As usual when he had a tough decision to take, Tito barely slept. He went to his local parish and seeked for spiritual guidance.


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This was no joke, was it? the life of thousands of people, if not millions, were being made more enjoyable when the Portuguese Seleção went on to winning ways. The last display at major tournaments, particularly the failure to get out Group stage at Euro 2004 which was held at home (!) had traumatized the country. Losing out to Nigeria in the last World Cup had been the nail in the coffin for Mario Reis.

Tito asked himself a lot of questions:

- was it realistic to continue to manage Vitoria Setubal at the same time?
He would have to work extra hard but then he had nothing better to do than work all day long, and counting on his very solid staff at Bonfim and a settled squad, he thought that it was possible. When on international duty his experienced assistant Rui Lopes would conduct training sessions and he trusted his coaches 100% (Dimantino Figueiredo, Jorge Pereira, José Gomes, Luis Teixeira and Bruno Martins). They knew the squad by heart, it was all a well oiled machine.

- would he need help at the helm of the Seleçéao?
It was not like the Federação was offering much of it... he decided that his faithful scout Pedro Figueiredo would come along and help him. His job would be to monitor every day the fitness and morale level of each of the internationals-to-be, and report to the boss. Setubal would be left to function with a single scout, but there were transfers lined-up for December and with a full settled squad of 37 players, it would be more than enough. As for the training sessions, Tito would conduct them on his own. Old-style.

- was there a conflcit of interest with regards to the internationals at Vitoria?
He knew people would talk and there would be cabals against him, for sure - but about that he did not care. Many players in the squad of Os Guerreiros were Portuguese internationals, or in the making. He knew them by heart, they knew him too, there would be a temptation to "setubalize" the Seleção. There was the danger: he had to resist that path and be fair in that respect.

- what if he failed? what if his ways were too direct? too old-school?
Forbs was never going to change who he was, especially at his venerable age of 67yr-old. It was make it or break it. They are the ones who landed him the job, they knew who he was and how he worked. There would be no prima donas. No favours. No exceptions. The pool of eligible players was potentially unlimited. He was never going to bow to modern football and feed a star-system. There would only be one star: the Portuguese Seleção.

His decision was made. He travelled to Lisboa for the interview with the board. He knew most of them after so many years; almost all had always held him in contempt and disdain, during the decades when he had languished in the lower leagues. He had seen their ways change as he gradually forced Setubal to the top of Portuguese football. Bunch of hypocrites. He laid out his conditions. There was a lot of resistance. But in the end, official on Monday July 17, 2006 :


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RuiEsteves
13-11-14, 12:40 AM
Thanks peterazo. Tito has just accepted the job!


About Pena... maybe he is retired from International football, just check it on his menu.
He's not retired, he's my current main striker at Setubal. He's 32yr-old and he is Brazilian, 2nd nationality Portuguese. When I go on the top right-hand button on Pena's player screen, I don't see the option to call him up in the Portugal squad. Need to check about Deco and others, but part of the plan was to tap into the vast pool of Brazilian/Portuguese players who have never been called up for Brazil.

RuiEsteves
13-11-14, 12:49 AM
Yes I can't see another reason as he should definitely be available otherwise.

hmm... that's weird then. I'll check with other such players.



Also, you can call up a maximum of 26 players to the national squad and you can do this at any time, it's another available option of the player dropdown menu when you're a national team manager. The game will ask you to confirm your list before every international break and you'll have to select a list of 23 before international tournaments.

Ok, thanks for clarifying that.



I usually like to control all teams, but controling the U21 won't bring you prestige or anything, it's just for the beauty of the game and the satisfaction of seeing young players do well.

Part of the conditions Tito has laid down to the Federação before taking the job is that he will manage neither the B side, nor the U21. No for lack of envy, but rather lack of time.



To have a full list of players available I usually search for the specific text: "portuguese", that´s the best way in my opinion.

Ah that's a very interesting tip - although I suspect it will then display all players that can speak the language, right?



Managing a national team is one of the funniest thing in the game imo, and even though it wouldn't be possible in Real life to manage both a club and a national team it's very easy in the game. Managing only your national team isn't fun at all.

You've been such a supporter of this story and have had such good advices that I will take your word for it! I've accepted! for some reason I had always wanted to do it in CM98/99, but never did.



Tito is the savior of Portugal, you just can't turn that job down, it wouldn't look like him:)

After thinking about it all night, I came to the same conclusion. He oozes patriotism and national pride, in the end the vision of Portugal having wasted their Golden generation in all of the 3 last tournaments (although they qualified for the last 2 WC, but with such talent that was the minimum they could do) was too much to bear and was the deciding factor. That being said, I suspect those international tournaments are the toughest in the game (imagine facing Italy or France...! that's even worse than AS Roma or FC Barcelona) so I have no idea if Tito can succeed. Especially with the plan he is about to unveil, and considering his first 2 games are extremely challenging!

troza
13-11-14, 09:59 AM
Fair enough but how does this work? let's say I want to manage Angola, how do I apply for the job? can I do it at the start of the game by taking control of the national squad directly?


But it would take a huge amount of scouting time, especially for the U21.

I haven't started a new game since 09... and I never started with a National team. I haven't seen Angola with an available job so I would say that you can't play with Angola...


Quick question: I thought any player with Portuguese nationality could be brought into the Portugal squad? it does not seem true, I've just tried for instance with Pena (Brazilian/Portuguese) and he is not eligibile. He has never been called up with any Brazilian selection before. Can anyone explain? I've seen players before being called-up in the squad of their country of 2nd nationality, so this seems all a little confusing.

From what I remember, not all players with double nationality are available. I don't know why but I have an idea that it is like that since CM98/99 (the first I played). I don't remember the rules for that... sorry for not helping.

One thing is for sure: if you need to check the details of the player to find out that he has a second nationality, then you can't call him. If the player displays 2 nationalities when you're seeing his stats, then you can call him :P

kuy
13-11-14, 11:05 AM
Glad you accepted the job, I'm sure Tito will lead Portugal to glory! Good luck :ok:

BobMem
13-11-14, 11:20 AM
Glad you took the job, you'll have a great time!

The nationality is the key. If they display as Brazilian/Portuguese then you can call them up. If it displays as just Brazilian, even if they have Portuguese 2nd nationality, then I don't think you can.
Ilovesanmarino would be the expert though, haven't seen him for a while, unfortunately.

RuiEsteves
13-11-14, 02:56 PM
The nationality is the key. If they display as Brazilian/Portuguese then you can call them up. If it displays as just Brazilian, even if they have Portuguese 2nd nationality, then I don't think you can.

Yes I can confirm this is exactly the way it works as far as I can tell in my game. Which means that players such as Deco or Pepe cannot be called-in for Portugal, what a pity.

I am surprised there is not a dedicated thread for such as important aspect of the game. The possible guess is that the game distingusihes between players who "natively" have dual-citizenship (such as being born from parents with 2 different nationalities) and those who once had a single nationality (which will always remain for the sake of national squad eligibility, the only nationality) and have later acquired a 2nd one which is only useful for things such as max number of non-EU players in a certain squad or match sheet, ...

RuiEsteves
13-11-14, 03:09 PM
Tito had prepared his interview with the Federação in the slightest details. He wanted to make his points clear and get the endorsement of the authorities on his “project”, before shaking hands.

The coach
Tito opened his speech stating that he did not wish to receive any compensation for the job. Not a single penny, not the slightest benefit or bonus. Coaching the Seleção was an honor (Tito stopped short of saying that he would almost be ready to pay for the job…). The audience was bemused; and obviously had no complaints about this.
He then went on stating that he would remain Manager for Vitoria Setubal, and that as a result he would have no time to deal with the B side nor the Under 21. That part did not go down well, it was not what they expected. They pointed out the defiance this would provoke from other clubs as such as situation had not happened in a very long while. Tito’s reply was that Portuguese football was built and structured around the rivalries between Os Tres Grandes. He believed that as an “outsider”, even if from a club that had just won an incredible back-to-back double, the uproar would be much reduced. He committed that he would not get involved with any of Benfica, FC Porto or Sporting CP during his tenure as Portugal’s head coach – and this is the argument that finally convinced the Federação.

The mission
Tito would take the job for 2 years with one goal: qualify for Euro 2008. If he failed, he would immediately resign. If he succeeded, he would go on and coach the squad into the tournament – but refused to take any further commitment beyond that, going into WC qualifications.
It would not be an easy task as Portugal had been drawn in Group 3 :


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Azerbaijan were minnows but Belarus were not to be taken lightly. Norway were the outsiders and always a solid, physical side. The main rivals were obviously Scotland and Tito went livid as he found out that his very 1st game as Head Coach would be in Hampden Park. What a start! …although he remembered fondly his very 1st game with Setubal at the Dragão (4-2 win).

The Tactics
Here again, Tito made it very clear. All his life he had been working on his custom-made tactics, and it had come to full maturity at Setubal those past 5 years, with the amazing success that all knew about. The 4-3-2-1 “Os Guerreiros” would be the way Portugal would play under his tenure and there would be no exception – whether because of players, opponents or game location :


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Since Forbs categorically refused to field any player out of position, this had one immediate consequence: the Seleção would be closed under his tenure to pure wingers (such as Simão Sabrosa) and regular Midfielders (such as Borges).

The Players
This was probably the most controversial decision he was putting forward. He argued that the Euro was in 2 years, and that he would only field today, players that would be able to play then. What that meant was the end of the Golden Generation under the Portuguese shirt: Rui Costa (34), Luis Figo (33), Sérgio Conceição (32), Vitor Baia (36), Jorge Costa (34), João Pinto (34), Ricardo Sa Pinto (33), Paulo Sousa (35), Abel Xavier (33) and Pedro Miguel Pauleta (33) – they were all gone. There were shouts in the room; Rui Costa was still Atlético Madrid’s playmaker; João Pinto still appearing with AS Roma; had Luis Figo not just become Portuguese Champions under… Tito Forbs?!! Pauleta was still young and went on again as French Ligue Top Goalscorer, while Sa Pinto was n°1 striker for Real Sociedad, and Abel Xavier solid as ever in the Premier League for Ipswich Town. Jorge Costa was still starting for FC Porto. It was long arguments, but Forbs explained that while some of them were still excellent today, they would decline quickly and definitely not be there for the tournament itself, therefore would prevent a more younger alternative to emerge from now on and build on the future. It was a real gamble Forbs was taking there, as he knew how valuable those players would have been for the games vs Scotland and Norway this year. But his decision was irrevocable.

Other than that, he wanted injury-free and fit players, having had enough match practice at their respective clubs, with impeccable records in terms of attitude and discipline under the Portuguese shirt. He thought about trying to remove any bonus scheme for the players, but decided that this would be too controversial and did not table it.

And that was it. After 4 hours of heated discussions, they finally agreed. The Federação’s expectations were quite simple: restore some pride during this transition period. They believed no matter how old-school he may be, that Tito Forbs had the backbone to deliver just that.

troza
13-11-14, 05:16 PM
Yes I can confirm this is exactly the way it works as far as I can tell in my game. Which means that players such as Deco or Pepe cannot be called-in for Portugal, what a pity.

I am surprised there is not a dedicated thread for such as important aspect of the game. The possible guess is that the game distingusihes between players who "natively" have dual-citizenship (such as being born from parents with 2 different nationalities) and those who once had a single nationality (which will always remain for the sake of national squad eligibility, the only nationality) and have later acquired a 2nd one which is only useful for things such as max number of non-EU players in a certain squad or match sheet, ...

You can also look at things this way: not every player that get a second nationality wants to play for the second country's national team :P

By the way, nice interview. It is a shame that Simão will be left outside (but I do understand... but he was the guy that I saw making more assists in a season for me... 41 in my Benfica game)... and I kind of disagree with Figo for a start. Yes, he is 33 years old but he is still better than a great number o players at 35. He can still be good by then. But if that's your opinion, well... go for it. I don't know the database you're using and probably this is a bit out of place (there might be some great players for that position) but that's my view. And only one veteran can't hurt when he is still a great great player.

By the way... just tell me how it goes as I always have a hard time to keep my players fit during the euro or WC. The good thing... after the group stage, you can change your 23 at will (if you have, like I did once, 5 players injured during the group stage and the majority of them with the condition under 80%) or if you have a player left outside just because he had a stupid injury that would end during the WC but the computer wouldn't let you to use him :P

RuiEsteves
13-11-14, 09:20 PM
By the way, nice interview. It is a shame that Simão will be left outside (but I do understand... but he was the guy that I saw making more assists in a season for me... 41 in my Benfica game)... and I kind of disagree with Figo for a start. Yes, he is 33 years old but he is still better than a great number o players at 35. He can still be good by then. But if that's your opinion, well... go for it. I don't know the database you're using and probably this is a bit out of place (there might be some great players for that position) but that's my view. And only one veteran can't hurt when he is still a great great player.

I don't disagree with any of that, but hey it is Tito Forbs in charge of the national squad, not me! ;-) seriously, he's got his ideas and has decided this would be the way, it's good for the story line but to be faire the best Portuguese striker right now and by some margin is still Pauleta, Rui Costa although 34 remains incredibly good (he just moved back to Benfica btw) and yes, players like Figo and João Pinto would have also made great subs. I am also depriving myself of great wingers, the best of which is Simaõ and finally I need 3 DMC's which is the core of my tactics and there are in fact not so many Portuguese who are world-class in that category (and 2 of them play for Setubal)... that should only add spice to the challenge!



By the way... just tell me how it goes as I always have a hard time to keep my players fit during the euro or WC. The good thing... after the group stage, you can change your 23 at will (if you have, like I did once, 5 players injured during the group stage and the majority of them with the condition under 80%) or if you have a player left outside just because he had a stupid injury that would end during the WC but the computer wouldn't let you to use him :P

Understand all of this, but hold on! I'm still far from those concerns yet, the main task will be to qualify out of this Group and I have no idea how much of a challenge exactly that will be. All I know is that the first game is also the toughest and Tito is getting a little nervous ;-)

RuiEsteves
13-11-14, 10:56 PM
It has been a long summer break for Os Guerreiros with a well deserved 6-weeks vacation after the mammoth 2005/06 season. The following 4-weeks in July of commando-style fitness training left some marks on the squad but would be helpful in the longer run of the season.

The lads had been thunderstruck by the news that their father figure Tito Forbs was taking over as Portugal National head coach; with him being so busy, organizing a Tour had quickly been ruled out. Instead assistant Rui Lopes had been tasked to organize a friendly game at Bonfim on Aug.5, and he invited the 2nd club which Vitoria had met in its European History: Aarhus Gymnastikforening. It was in the 1st Round of the 1965/66 Cup Winners’ Cup and the Danes had gone through (4-2 on aggregate). A very unfit Vitoria prevailed (2-1) in the “revenge” game 40 years later, with a double from Pena. It was now time for the Portuguese Supercup vs Sporting CP which would be a re-match of the Taça de Portugal Final. Since that game, 2 new high-profile players had joined SCP: keeper Petr Cech and Brazilian international winger Savio. Vitoria’s fitness was still far from perfect going into this first clash of the season…

Aug.12 / Portuguese Supercup – Sporting CP v Vitoria Setubal : 0-1 (e.t.) / Jamor, Lisboa
.goal : Andrade (pen)
.assist : Figo
.MoM : -
-> It’s very hot (34°C) for this remake of the Cup Final. Sporting decide to attack and put some pressure in the first 10’, before being utterly dominated for the remainder of the game by unfit but very ambitious Os Guerreiros. In spite of some great runs on the flanks by Nélson Veiga and Taribo West, all attempts on target are parried by an excellent Petr Cech (MoM) who plays his 1st game in Portugal. Captain Bruno Melo picks a knock (3-weeks out) and Setubal are forced into extra-time. Exhausted, they nevertheless manage to push further and are rewarded when on 109’, Litos fouls Luis Figo in the area. The Portuguese international CB is red-carded and veteran Luis Andrade converts for the winning goal. Once again, Vitoria come out on top!

This victory in the Portuguese Supercup lands an incredible 9th trophy in just 5 years for Tito Forbs. Always a great way to start a season!


Aug.19 / Pr.Liga (#1) – Beira-Mar v Vitoria Setubal : 2-4
.goals : C.Ronaldo, Figo, Pena, Mendonça
.assists : Figo, Ednilson
.MoM : -
-> It's the first game of the season in the Liga and Setubal are ready, delivering a great 1st half with goals from C.Ronaldo and in-form Luis Figo. They will however have a scary moment at the beginning of the 2nd half as promoted Beira-Mar equalize with 2 goals from Diogo Luis and Romeu. Ricardo has a poor game and is replaced by Pena who gives his side the lead on the 79', with Mendonça scoring his 1st for Os Guerreiros in extra-time, making it 4-2. It's a deserved victory but the defense will have to be improved, which won't be helped by the 1-month injury blow to Taribo West.


Later in the week, both Nélson Veiga (3-weeks) and Saliou Lassissi (2-weeks) inflate the injury list.


Aug.27 / Pr.Liga (#2) – Vitoria Setubal v Aves : 2-1
.goals : C.Ronaldo, Figo
.assist : C.Ronaldo
.MoM : C.Ronaldo
-> What a start for the first game of the season at Bonfim, with a splendid free-kick for C.Ronaldo (MoM) who goes on to gift a 2nd goal to Luis Figo, and it's (2-0) after 5'! Aves are fortunate to be only 2 goals down at half-time, but they will get one goal back in a slow-paced 2nd half.


Setubal went through August unscathed and it's time for the Champions League Phase 1 draw. It's again a very tough group with old friends AS Roma and Celtic Glasgow once again clashing with Vitoria. For sure, they will be looking to avenge their elimination from last year at the hands of the Portuguese Champions!


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RuiEsteves
14-11-14, 12:30 AM
Throughout the summer Tito's mind has been on the Portugal squad ahead of the first game in Glasgow. As was recommended to him by a Scottish friend, The Eejit, an ex-coach now retired in northern England, he first established a "short-list" of ~40 names which he would use as his dash board to follow all those eligible in his mind. Of course, that list was always subject to change; a * indicates they have already been capped in the past.

Keepers (6)

José Moreira (24, Benfica)
Marco Tabuas (29, Setubal)
Vitor Oliveira* (24, Benfica)
Ricardo* (30, Boavista)
Quim* (30, Farense)
Tiago (31, Aves)

Who to put between the sticks was not an easy one, it being understood that Vitor Baia (36) was too old to be in Tito's plans for 2008. Vitor Oliveira had been the keeper of choice lately but Tito thought he lacked Determination. The other 5 were quite close, Quim and Ricardo offering international experience.

Left Backs (5)

Bruno Basto* (28, Boavista)
Carlos Fernandes* (28, Guimarães)
Mario Silva* (29, ADO Den Haag)
João Morais (23, Belenenses)
Pedro Henriques (31, Boavista)

Another difficult position to fill, it had always been a weak spot for Portugal even more so now that Rui Jorge was out of contention (34). Carlos Fernandes had been the starter under Mario Reis and he was an ex-Setubal player; but Tito had not been particularly impressed during his spell at the club. Maybe whomever would be get the most play time at Boavista between Bruno Basto and Pedro Henriques would have an edge...

Rights Backs (3)

Nélson Veiga* (28, Setubal)
Rui Oscar (30, Guimarães)
Paulo Ferreira (28, Maritimo)

No world-class player here neither, but 3 very solid full backs which Tito had been following for a while - and even more so with Nélson Veiga who was his faithfull Guerreiro at Vitoria.

Central Backs (8)

Litos* (32, Sporting)
Bras (30, Setubal)
Bocas (25, Setubal)
Beto* (30, Sporting)
Tonel (26, Porto)
Manuel Rui Marques (28, Möchengladbach)
Ricardo Carvalho (28, Porto)
Jorge Andrade* (28, Deportivo)

Who to play alongside corner-stone Litos (even at 32)? Jorge Andrade was versatile but deemed not solid enough defensively. Obviously, the Bras/Bocas Setubal pairing had a shot. There were also quite a few promising younger DC Tito would be following (Lopo, Luis Filipe, Berto, José Maria Gama).

DMC's (7)

Ednilson* (23, Setubal)
Bruno Melo* (25, Setubal)
Petit* (29, Benfica)
Fernando Meira* (28, Stuttgart)
Paulo Teixeira (25, Setubal)
Hugo (30, Infesta)
Tiago (31, Porto)

This was the engine room of Tito's tactic and he would obviously rely on duo Ednilson-Bruno Melo. He had also decided to use the latter as his playmaker and captain. They knew the system in and out and had dominated the Liga these past 3 years in midfield. Petit and Fernando Meira were also excellent and completed them well. Other than those 4, the position lacked depth.

AMC's (10)

Cristiano Ronaldo* (21, Setubal)
Ricardo* (28, Sporting)
Hugo Viana (23, Benfica)
Dani* (30, Atlético Madrid)
Edgar* (29, Oviedo)
Carlitos (29, Benfica)
Luis Boa Morte* (29, Valencia)
Marco Ferreira (28, Sporting)
Antoinio Semedo (27, Boavista)
Tiago (23, Belenenses)

Even without the Golden Generation (Rui Coasta, Figo...) there were plenty of decent choices here, including Hugo Viana sadly not getting enough game time with Benfica. It was time for Semedo and Tiago to get called-up also.

Strikers (4)

Nuno Gomes* (30, Benfica)
Hélder Postiga* (24, Porto)
Ricardo (21, Setubal)
Lourenço (23, Estrela Amadora)

Nuno Gomes was the obvious choice here, with Hélder Postigo a solid sub.


In no time it was Aug.20 already and Forbs had to announce his list of 26 players. He would have to do without Bruno Melo, injured. He went with :


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But in the run-up to the Scotland game, several injuries forced the following changes:

- Paulo Ferreira -> Nélson Veiga (inj)
- Tiago -> Dani (inj)
- Tiago -> Hélder Postiga (inj)
- Bruno Melo -> Petit (inj)

ZanSnake
14-11-14, 12:59 AM
no Riccardo Carvalho?

Don't think you made the right call not bringing him along

RuiEsteves
14-11-14, 01:07 AM
no Riccardo Carvalho?
Don't think you made the right call not bringing him along
Maybe... but his defensive attributes are not impeccable (~14/15 in positioning, marking, tackling). He is 28, was never capped before and halways been a sub at FC Porto, so it is not so obvious. He's on my short-list though.

ZanSnake
14-11-14, 02:55 AM
Maybe... but his defensive attributes are not impeccable (~14/15 in positioning, marking, tackling). He is 28, was never capped before and halways been a sub at FC Porto, so it is not so obvious. He's on my short-list though.

Good back-up tho :ok:

Baron Zbimg
14-11-14, 09:12 AM
Nice first list and another good start for Setubal. Will Kaka only join in December ?


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Kingsley
14-11-14, 09:19 AM
No tips from me until after Scotland have thrashed you :pray:

Doesn't look as if your split club/country job (In real life Sir Alex did it with Aberdeen and Scotland) has done Setubal any harm.

PS. I've never had a problem getting players with a second nationality to switch to my national teams. Only if they have played for, or are currently in the squad of, another nation at some level has it been a problem.

Check to see if Pena is an uncapped player in the Brazil squad. that might be the problem.

troza
14-11-14, 09:46 AM
António Semedo was very good in the original database :P

I would only use Figo... you have 26 players, you'll end up using only 23... he could still be good in the world cup. That's the only one I would think about. The others would be too old by then. I usually do the same with you. Guys with 33 or 34 years old at the start of the road to the world cup/euro, I leave them out of my 26... I might use one but only if he is really a world class player like Figo. And that's not a sure thing that I will take him to the tournament.

Good way to start the season: 3 wins with Setúbal, one trophy. Can't complain about that.

Kingsley
14-11-14, 10:02 AM
Check to see if Pena is an uncapped player in the Brazil squad. that might be the problem.

Just done a bit of experimenting and the computer managed national squads have their own short list. You can see it if you look in the GK Editor. If the player with dual nationality is in that list, even i not capped at any level, he will not be available to switch nationality. That is probably the problem with Pena.

Also, the one advantage of managing the U21 and "B" teams or a couple of games is to get dual nationality players signed up before the other nation. You only need a couple of games and use all of the subs to build up quite a pool, then you can leave it or the computer to manage :-)

Also, on U21/B teams, I can't remember i Portugal are in the Olympics, but that is a reason why you might want to take control.

troza
14-11-14, 11:12 AM
Just done a bit of experimenting and the computer managed national squads have their own short list. You can see it if you look in the GK Editor. If the player with dual nationality is in that list, even i not capped at any level, he will not be available to switch nationality. That is probably the problem with Pena.

Also, the one advantage of managing the U21 and "B" teams or a couple of games is to get dual nationality players signed up before the other nation. You only need a couple of games and use all of the subs to build up quite a pool, then you can leave it or the computer to manage :-)

Also, on U21/B teams, I can't remember i Portugal are in the Olympics, but that is a reason why you might want to take control.

How can we change this? :P Just wondering... :P

Kingsley
14-11-14, 11:23 AM
If they are in the squad, but not capped there is nothing you can do (other than add manager, manage that national side, remove them from squad, retire), but that would be gross cheating.

If they are not capped at any level and not in the current squad, you can remove them from the short list in the GK editor and I suspect they would then be available to you, but that would be minor cheating and you would have to deal with your conscience. :evil::angel:

Without cheating, there is nothing you can do other than swear at your screen and throw your laptop out the window. :smash:

troza
14-11-14, 11:28 AM
If they are in the squad, but not capped there is nothing you can do (other than add manager, manage that national side, remove them from squad, retire), but that would be gross cheating.

If they are not capped at any level and not in the current squad, you can remove them from the short list in the GK editor and I suspect they would then be available to you, but that would be minor cheating and you would have to deal with your conscience.

Without cheating, there is nothing you can do other than swear at your screen and throw your laptop out the window.

Well... I have no problem with that :P

I don't take the national teams that seriously and I'm not even training Portugal right now :P

RuiEsteves
14-11-14, 08:05 PM
Nice first list and another good start for Setubal. Will Kaka only join in December ?

yep

RuiEsteves
14-11-14, 08:08 PM
PS. I've never had a problem getting players with a second nationality to switch to my national teams. Only if they have played for, or are currently in the squad of, another nation at some level has it been a problem.

Check to see if Pena is an uncapped player in the Brazil squad. that might be the problem.
I've checked and this pattern is confirmed for tens of Brazilian/Portuguese players, none of which are currently selected in any Brazilian squad and AFAIK, have never been in the past. In my game it "seems" to work exactly the way BobMem has described it above.

RuiEsteves
14-11-14, 08:17 PM
António Semedo was very good in the original database :P

Yes he is. It really is going to be an open competition for both AMC positions in Portugal so he will have chance.



I would only use Figo... you have 26 players, you'll end up using only 23... he could still be good in the world cup. That's the only one I would think about. The others would be too old by then. I usually do the same with you. Guys with 33 or 34 years old at the start of the road to the world cup/euro, I leave them out of my 26... I might use one but only if he is really a world class player like Figo. And that's not a sure thing that I will take him to the tournament.

Fully understand, but Tito is a man that sticks to his words. The Golden Generation is gone for good and there will be no exception to this! not even for Figo in spite of him being at Setubal.




Good way to start the season: 3 wins with Setúbal, one trophy. Can't complain about that.

Sure thing. The Champions League draw is an issue though. AS Roma and Celtic in the 1st Phase - we had both teams in the 2nd Phase last year...

RuiEsteves
14-11-14, 08:23 PM
Just done a bit of experimenting and the computer managed national squads have their own short list. You can see it if you look in the GK Editor. If the player with dual nationality is in that list, even i not capped at any level, he will not be available to switch nationality. That is probably the problem with Pena.

I have checked again with even more players in Portuguese Segunda Liga - all of them Brazilian/Portuguese with Portuguese listed as 2nd Nationality and not appearing on the main screen like BobMem said (they probably acquired Portuguese citizenship during the course of the game, after having lived a few years in Portugal). Some of these players are very average, borden-line crap. I looked at a good dozen of them and NONE are eligible for Portugal. There is no way these players can be on any Brazilian short-list of any kind (and they probably have never been in the past neither), they're just too crap amongst an ocean of good or excellent Brazilian players to chose from, plus there is no exception, this works for all players I have looked at. There could be a doubt for players like Pena or Deco, there cannot be a doubt for such completely anonymous players in Portuguese Lower Leagues.



Also, the one advantage of managing the U21 and "B" teams or a couple of games is to get dual nationality players signed up before the other nation. You only need a couple of games and use all of the subs to build up quite a pool, then you can leave it or the computer to manage :-)

Yes I thought about that, but it would only apply to players with "real" dual-citizenship and not for those having acquired it. It would not solve the issue I just described above.



Also, on U21/B teams, I can't remember i Portugal are in the Olympics, but that is a reason why you might want to take control.

They're not, sadly. But are Olympics not played with A team players in any case? In my game, I remember Del Piero and Totti being excellent in the 2004 Olympics, surely they were not part of a B or U21 squad...

RuiEsteves
14-11-14, 08:44 PM
Tito had chosen his starting line-up for his 1st ever international game vs Scotland :


Marco Tabuas

Rui Oscar.............................Litos........... ...................Bocas.......................... Pedro Henriques

Bruno Melo (c).................Fernando Meira....................Ednilson


Cr. Ronaldo..............................Boa Morte

Nuno Gomes

(Subs: Quim, Mario Silva, Beto, Tiago, Hugo Viana, Semedo, Lourenço)

The critics would probably be quite vocal: there were 5 Setubal players amongst the starters! But Forbs had a clear conscience. Bruno Melo and Ednilson did not require any justification, and Cristiano Ronaldo had started the season like a bullet train. There had been a lot more hesitation around Bocas – Rui Marques and Beto had almost gotten the slot – but he was deemed the most solid defensively and ferocious tackler. The toughest choice had been the keeper. Tito originally had his mind set on Quim but he had had a very poor start of the season with Farense, while José Moreira was now benched at Benfica. In the end, Tito gave his confidence to Setubal icon Marco Tabuas who would get his 1st cap at 29yr-old; he was extremely moved in the dressing room, and cried during the anthem. Rui Oscar and Bocas were also capped for the 1st time, while it was the first international start for both Ednilson and Cr.Ronaldo.

Sep.2 / EURO Qualifications Gr.3 (#1) – Scotland v PORTUGAL : 0-2 / Hampden Park, Glasgow
-goals : Nuno Gomes, Matteo (og)
-assist : Bruno Melo
-MoM : -

- It’s the start of the Euro 2008 Qualifications campaign here in Glasgow and it’s already a major clash as both Portugal and Scotland are targeting the 1st place of Group 3 ! Now famous coach Tito Forbs has taken over the Seleção over a summer, a move which has surprised many back home, and everyone is expecting to see how he will play and whether he can reproduce at this level his incredible successes with Vitoria Setubal.

- 1’: the Portuguese press from the go and following a poor goal-kick by Robert Douglas, Nuno Gomes almost finds the nets here!
- 3’: the Scots counter-attack and Allan Johnston strikes just wide.
- 10’: Portuguese midfield dominates and captain Bruno Melo finds Nuno Gomes’ header in the area -> just parried by Douglas, close!
- 20’: Nuno Gomes is trouble for the Scottish defense, he is through in the space and brought down by David McCracken who was already booked, oh it’s a red-card! that’s a tough blow to Scotland, they sub a defender for a striker and will play 10 v 11.

- 21’: we can see Forbs waving his players to attack more, using the flanks. Pedro Henriques pounds a header on a free-kick, it’s parried.
- 25’: there’s cracks in the Scots defense and Bruno Melo delivers a great pass for Nuno Gomes who is quicker than the keeper and… GOL! GOOOOOOOOL for POR-TU-GAAAAL! (0-1).
- 26’: Scotland on its knees, Ednilson great in midfield finds Boa Morte for the volley -> Douglas saves. Close.
- 28’: the hosts manage a counter-attack and Andy Rodgers half-volleys in the area -> oh great save here by Marco Tabuas! Corner-kick.

- Half-time. It’s been a great half for Portugal who have dominated, are 1-man up and have scored by their star striker. They will look for the killer blow in the 2nd half.
- 66’: Tito’s men continue to dominate and it’s again Bruno Melo for a great pass to Nuno Gomes who scores! Oh the line ref raises his flag, there’s an off-side! Oh tough for the Lusitanians here.
- 75’: what a great run by Ednilson who outflanks the Scottish defense and strikes a devastating cross -> it’s deflected by Domonic Matteo and it’s a GOL! it’s an own GOOOOOOOOOOL for the unfortunate defender, that surely settles it! (0-2).


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It’s a fantastic start for Portugal and Tito, what a crucial away win this is.

What’s particularly worked well is the strong midfield; it’s obvious that Bruno Melo and Ednilson know this tactics by heart and they have fond holes all through the Scottish set-up. Fernando Meiria struggled in the 1st half, but adapted well in the 2nd. Nuno Gomes is a great asset for Forbs, he’s been dangerous all-game long and bagged his 34th goal in 94 caps. Very impressive.
Both AMC’s can and should do better, Tito must find here the right men that will add much needed flair when Portugal faces tougher defenses (such as vs Norway in the next game).
The left backs are no world-class players but both were dangerous and did their job well. Marco Tabuas made one crucial save to prevent the equalizer, it’s a very good 1st cap for the Setubalian.
The Central Defense struggled a little. Bocas had instructions to move up on corner-kicks but failed to be dangerous and gave Scotland one counter-attack opportunity. The crucial link between DC and central DMC also did not work perfectly well in the last 20’.

Room for improvement thinks Tito, but a very solid game with a lot of content and a superb result in the end.

BobMem
14-11-14, 09:34 PM
Great first game. The group's won :lol:

RuiEsteves
14-11-14, 09:41 PM
Great first game. The group's won :lol:
Scotland went on to lose in Norway (1-3) so it looks like the Scandinavians will be the main challengers.

RuiEsteves
14-11-14, 10:28 PM
Sep.10 / Pr.Liga (#3) – Vitoria Guimarães v Vitoria Setubal : 1-3
.goals : Ednilson, Figo, Pena
.assist : Ednilson
.MoM : Ednilson
-> Os Guerreiros play a great away game at rivals Guimarães, bagging 3 goals in a thrilling 1st half. Ednilson (MoM) shines in midfield.


It's Champions League time again as Setubal have a very dangerous trip to Celtic Park, without skipper Bruno Melo suspended and Taribo West injured. Last time they visited, they lost (0-2) a game which they dominated. Can they do better this time around?

Sep.13 / Champions Cup (Phase 1, #1) – Celtic Glasgow v Vitoria Setubal : 3-0
.goal : -
.assist : -
.MoM : -
-> Setubal start well and battle out in a superb 1st half; they create several chances but like last year, keeper Magnus Hedman is just outstanding. The killer blow comes just before half-time from Marco di Vaio (MoM), who will go on and score a hat-trick with 2 more goals in the 2nd half. It's a terrible day for Bras who is completely bamboozed by the Italian striker, poor day as well for a transparent C.Ronaldo. Gradually throughout the game Portuguese opportunities fade and 2 weeks after Tito's victory here in Gaskgow with Portugal, it's pay back-time for the Scots (so to speak, since there were zero Scottish player in Celtic's starting line-up...).

It's a very poor start in the competition and a deserved victory to Celtic, only slightly offset by AS Roma's draw (1-1) in Moscow.


Sep.16 / Pr.Liga (#4) – Vitoria Setubal v União Madeira : 2-0
.goals : C.Ronaldo, Binho
.assists : Pena, Figo
.MoM : C.Ronaldo
-> The game is always on control for Os Guerreiros who easily prevail. C.Ronaldo (MoM) recovers from previous poor form.


2 Setubalians from the Youth Academy sign pro-contracts: DMC Tiago Pereira (17) and D/DM-R/C Paulo Luis (15). The squad now has 39 players.

ZanSnake
14-11-14, 10:46 PM
Unlucky with the Cletic result, but i guess there had to be at least one way the Scots got there revenge :D

Baron Zbimg
14-11-14, 10:54 PM
Can we have a look at your academy players ?


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RuiEsteves
14-11-14, 11:01 PM
Unlucky with the Cletic result, but i guess there had to be at least one way the Scots got there revenge :D
yep... although as I mentioned there are no Scots in the Celtic team! they played better than us I have to say, I had no solution for Dyer and Bowyer devastating crossings from the wings, Gattuso dominated in midfield and my DC are not good enough when up against world-class strikers such as Di Vaio. Add to this Hedman who made 4 saves and it's (0-3). Qualifying from this group will be tough.

RuiEsteves
14-11-14, 11:08 PM
Can we have a look at your academy players ?

sure! unfortunately it's unlikely any of these 2 lads will turn into anything of substance.


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My squad is too big but what's weird is that 1/ over the past 2 years I have received only 2 (!!) unsollicited offers for my players (one for Lassissi, the other for Teixeira), and 2/ no player even those who don't get play time, is asking to leave the club...

troza
14-11-14, 11:32 PM
Bad luck against Celtic... that isn't good :(

But in Portugal... you are dominating :)

ZanSnake
14-11-14, 11:39 PM
yep... although as I mentioned there are no Scots in the Celtic team! they played better than us I have to say, I had no solution for Dyer and Bowyer devastating crossings from the wings, Gattuso dominated in midfield and my DC are not good enough when up against world-class strikers such as Di Vaio. Add to this Hedman who made 4 saves and it's (0-3). Qualifying from this group will be tough.

Makes this a hella-more of a read though :D

Turn Portugal into a world power in the World Ranking and everyone will tremble at the name 'Tito Forbs'.

RuiEsteves
14-11-14, 11:45 PM
Turn Portugal into a world power in the World Ranking and everyone will tremble at the name 'Tito Forbs'.
Had never looked at this "FIFA Rankings" before. Just checked, Portugal is currently ranked 29th.

ZanSnake
14-11-14, 11:48 PM
Had never looked at this "FIFA Rankings" before. Just checked, Portugal is currently ranked 29th.

That could be the 'ultimate' goal ;)

Win enough with both national side and club till you are top :)

RuiEsteves
15-11-14, 12:31 AM
The 2nd game of the Champions League is a must win at home vs Lokomotiv Moscow, even more now after the Glasgow defeat. In its History Setubal has crossed the path of a Russian club only once, and prevailed:

- UEFA Cup 1971/72 - Round 2 - v Spartak Moscow (4-0, 0-0)

Sep.19 / Champions Cup (Phase 1, #2) – Vitoria Setubal v Lokomotiv Moscow : 2-1
.goals : Ricardo, C.Ronaldo
.assist : Bocas
.MoM : Ednilson
-> Bonfim is packed for what will be a fantastic European cup game. Os Guerreiros dominate from the start and score by Ricardo (19'), who later picks a 2-weeks injury and is subbed by Pena. The Portuguese midfield is once again phenomenal with a supreme Ednilson (MoM) flanked by Binho and Bruno Melo. But all game long the Russians will be dangerous and they equalize right before half-time, out-of-shape Diop letting Gogniev jump free for the header. The number of chances created by Vitoria in the 2nd half is astronomous but keeper Mandrykin stops everything - except for a splendid free-kick from C.Ronaldo which gives a much needed, and deserved, victory.

In the Stadio Olimpico, AS Roma stump Celtic (3-0) and move top of the group before travelling to Bonfim.


Sep.23 / Pr.Liga (#5) – Leiria v Vitoria Setubal : 3-4
.goals : C.Ronaldo (2), Bruno Melo (pen), Pena
.assists : Pena (2), C.Ronaldo, Binho
.MoM : C.Ronaldo
-> It's a crazy game in Leiria which Setubal win at the final second while having been down (2-3) until the 82'. This despite a crushing domination from Os Guerreiros with again Bruno Melo creating opportunities in midfield. But the hosts will convert 3 of their 5 shots on target, stunning a defense which has been very average since the start of the season and past a Marco Tabuas who, for once, had a poor game. It will take the incredible class of C.Ronaldo (MoM) and his 2 goals to turn the situation upside down.


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With 5 wins in 5 games, Setubal are top of the table but share points with Boavista and a Sporting CP litterally on fire (17 goals).

ZanSnake
15-11-14, 12:51 AM
What a game!

Unlcuky for Leira though, but that was a total domination :shocked:

RuiEsteves
15-11-14, 01:15 AM
Unlcuky for Leira though, but that was a total domination
Yes, and it was roughly the same stats vs Lokomotiv. Two great games of football! We concede a lot of goals this season so far, not sure why. It's an issue.

ZanSnake
15-11-14, 01:29 AM
Yes, and it was roughly the same stats vs Lokomotiv. Two great games of football! We concede a lot of goals this season so far, not sure why. It's an issue.

Is Mourinho still in charge of them?

How much success has he had in your save?

RuiEsteves
15-11-14, 01:36 AM
Is Mourinho still in charge of them?
How much success has he had in your save?
He starts the game as Manager of FC Porto in July 2001 so he's not with Leiria anymore.
He's been dreaduful: sacked in May 2001 from FC Porto. Coached Portimonense for 2 seasons in the Segunda Liga (mid-table twice), then was recruited by Académica who had fallen down to the Segunda Liga. With them he finished 9th the first season, and last year he finished 16th which meant Académica was relegated to the Lower Leagues! somehow he kept his job there...

In my story there was a little pitch with The Special One since the very first game of Tito Forbs with Setubal was at the Dragão and in the pre-game press conference Mourinho lashed out against Forbs, joking that he was an unknown coach who should have never gotten out of the Lower Leagues... we spanked FC Porto (4-2) that day with a superb game from 37yr-old Rashid Yekini! we also did them in the return leg at Bonfim. In other words, Tito got Mourinho sacked, partly, and Tito's career looks pretty similar to that of Mourinho in real life !

ZanSnake
15-11-14, 01:48 AM
He starts the game as Manager of FC Porto in July 2001 so he's not with Leiria anymore.
He's been dreaduful: sacked in May 2001 from FC Porto. Coached Portimonense for 2 seasons in the Segunda Liga (mid-table twice), then was recruited by Académica who had fallen down to the Segunda Liga. With them he finished 9th the first season, and last year he finished 16th which meant Académica was relegated to the Lower Leagues! somehow he kept his job there...

In my story there was a little pitch with The Special One since the very first game of Tito Forbs with Setubal was at the Dragão and in the pre-game press conference Mourinho lashed out against Forbs, joking that he was an unknown coach who should have never gotten out of the Lower Leagues... we spanked FC Porto (4-2) that day with a superb game from 37yr-old Rashid Yekini! we also did them in the return leg at Bonfim. In other words, Tito got Mourinho sacked, partly, and Tito's career looks pretty similar to that of Mourinho in real life !

Would be awesome if you did a bit about you being the Special One when you do win a Euro Cup :D

RuiEsteves
15-11-14, 03:49 AM
It's already an old story between Setubal and AS Roma who are playing tonight their 4th game in 2 years and their 6th in their common History. Against Italian clubs this is the tenth confrontation and the record so far is 5v4 in favour of Vitoria:

L- UEFA Cup 1966/67 - Round 1 - v Juventus (0-2, 1-3)
V- UEFA Cup 1968/69 - Round 3 - v Fiorentina (3-0, 1-2)
V- UEFA Cup 1972/73 - Round 2 - v Fiorentina (1-0, 1-2)
V- UEFA Cup 1972/73 - Round 3 - v Inter Milan (2-0, 0-1)
L- UEFA Cup 1999/00 - Round 1 - v AS Roma (1-0, 0-7)
L- UEFA Cup 2002/03 - Quarter-Final - v Bologna 1909 (0-3, 0-2)
V- European Supercup 2004 - v AS Roma (0-0, pen)
V- Champions League 2005/06 – Phase 2 – v AS Roma (2-0, 1-2)
L- Champions League 2005/06 - Quarter-Final - vs Inter Milan (0-3, 0-1)

Although AS Roma have won no trophy in the past 2 seasons (having finished twice in a row 2nd of the Serie A), their squad is still very much galactico and the starting line-up at Bonfim is quite amazing: Pelizzoli - G.Neville, Candela, Samuel, Cufré - Conceição, Tommasi, Veron, Delvecchio - Totti, Amoroso. Forbs obviously fields his best starting XI - and choses Hugo Pinheiro between the sticks, for he has a special link with AS Roma from previous games...

Sep.26 / Champions Cup (Phase 1, #3) – Vitoria Setubal v AS Roma : 0-2
.goal : -
.assist : -
.MoM : -
-> The level here is one step above anything Setubal faces on the domestic front, and the class of the Romans allows no shot at goal for Os Guerreiros during the entire 1st half - which is almost unprecedented in Bonfim. They fight, but the Italians win most duels and on the 32', Francesco Totti finds the net from a splendid free-kick (0-1). The 2nd half will be more balanced with Bras putting up a great show in defense against Totti; Setubal will create 3 clear chances on goal but they are all parried by a superb Ivan Pelizzoli (MoM), even when they looked certain to end up in the nets. The killer blow is delivered on the 67' when sub Emerson pounds a header home following a corner-kick (0-2). To make things worse in the dying seconds, C.Ronaldo picks up a knock (2-weeks) and will miss out on the Portugal internationals in October.

It's a terrible result, and at the same time Celtic beat Lokomotiv (3-1, in Scotland). With 3pts after 3 games, 2 of which at home, and 2 defeats vs their direct rivals, it's already looking mission impossibe in this Group for Vitoria. It would require a miracle at Stadio Olimpico in a few weeks...


It's the last game before the 2 weeks international break and although Setubal need to bounce back, Tito already has his mind on the Portugal games. This afternoon there will be 9 players on the pitch which he has called up in the Portuguese squad: Marco Tabuas, Nélson Veiga, Bocas, Ednilson, Bruno Melo for Setubal and Ricardo, Pedro Henriques, Semedo and Silas for Boavista.

Oct.1 / Pr.Liga (#6) – Vitoria Setubal v Boavista : 4-0
.goals : Mendonça, Pena, Figo, West
.assists : Bruno Melo (2), Binho
.MoM : Bruno Melo
-> As often, Os Guerreiros show character and bounce back in front of their home crowd after the crashing defeat vs AS Roma (0-2) 5 days earlier. In 11' they have already bagged-in 3 goals past a helpless Ricardo - a volley from Mendonça, a great low shot from Pena and Figo's first victorious free-kick with Setubal. This was all made possible thanks to the creativity of Bruno Melo (MoM). The game presents little interest from then on, and West's 4th goal in additional time at the end is anecdotical.

It's a re-assuring victory over rivals Boavista who had also made a perfect start. Setubal are now 6 wins in 6 games, like Sporting CP.

ZanSnake
15-11-14, 04:10 AM
Looks like another domestic paradise but a bitch in hell for Euro. :(

RuiEsteves
15-11-14, 04:39 AM
As always before international games, Tito must re-shuffle his squad because of last minute injuries. He will have to face Norway at home and Belarus away, without 4 key players who started the Scotland game: C.Ronaldo, Ednilson, Fernando Meira and Nuno Gomes. That's a major blow. He will field the same starting XI for both games:


Marco Tabuas

Rui Oscar.............................Litos........... ...................Bocas.......................... Pedro Henriques

Bruno Melo (c).................Tiago......................... .Petit


Edgar................................Boa Morte

Hélder Postiga

(Subs: Quim, Mario Silva, Nélson Veiga, Hugo, Hugo Viana, Silas, Semedo)

It's good to be able to field Petit; however the lack of depth at DMC shows and Tiago (who is bench material at FC Porto) gets his 1st cap at 31yr-old. Tito is nervous: there will be 50k in Jamor for his 1st home game as national head coach. Norway are 2 wins in 2 games and will travel to get a result which would go a long way towards their qualification.

Oct.7 / EURO Qualifications Gr.3 (#2) – PORTUGAL v Norway : 3-0 / Jamor, Lisboa
.goals : Hélder Postiga (2), Edgar
.assists : Boa Morte, Litos, Hugo Viana
.MoM : Hélder Postiga
-> Norway traditionally field tall and atheltic players; and yet within a quarter of an-hour, Portugal score twice from great headers - once with a superb Hélder Postiga (MoM), then by Edgar. It's a fantastic start and Tito can hear the home crowd chanting his name in the stands. The Scandinavians will never really get back in the game, skipper Bruno Melo in particular making sure posession is kept in Portuguese feet. Nélson Veiga comes in the last 10', so does Hugo Viana who delivers a superb crossing for the 2nd personal goal for Postiga. Portugal have never been under pressure in this game, although the scoreline is a little flattering.


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As he travels to Minsk with his squad for the 2nd game in 5 days, Forbs ponders on the surprise away win of Belarus in Glasgow (0-1). He looks at their team and is surprised to see so many of their players being starters in major European clubs (Stuttgart, Schalke 04, Udinese, Villareal, Fenerbahce, Galatasaray). This game won't be easy at all; what if Belarus was in fact the real threat for Portugal in this group?

It's the exact same line-up as in Lisboa.

Oct.11 / EURO Qualifications Gr.3 (#3) – Belarus v PORTUGAL : 2-0 / Dinamo, Minsk

- In spite of the wet conditions, the local players are on fire and it's starting off real fast here in Minsk!
-7': great cross from Volodenkov, Bocas is not well placed and it's Kontsevoy with a header, and... GOL! Marco Tabuas is beaten for the 1st time while keeping for Portugal, and it's (1-0). Oh what a poor start for Tito's boys.
-13': Rui Oscar on the right flank, shoots from a distance -> it's close, but wide.
-23': pressure rises on keeper Kapantsov who saves a first header on target by Postiga, and then following a poor clearance, another shot by the Porto striker.
-25': Belarus counter-attack and Romaschenko is on the volley -> well parried this from Marco Tabuas, into corner.

-36': it's a great combination by Portugal upfront, it falls onto Hélder Postiga who strikes -> saved.
-38': from one goal to the other, now captain Belkevich shoots and it's saved by the Setubal keeper.
-39': it's a quick counter-attack and Edgar is in the space, he is free and aims -> oh no, saved from the fingertips!
-45': again Edgar plays well and crosses-in for Postiga who is alone, surely he must score that one -> oh he misses completely, Portugal wasting their chances here...
-47': one more goal for Belarus and it will get tough, Volodenkov again finds Kontsevoy -> Marco Tabuas goes down smothers.

Half-time. It's a very lively, balanced game. Belarus are surprisingly good and match Portugal everywhere on the pitch. This could go to any team in the end.

-46': Romaschenko dribbles past Litos and he's one-on-one, shoots -> great save. Phew.
-47': it's more technical from Portugal who combine well and Petit has a shot at goal -> corner-kick.
-56': Maslo tries to chip it over Marco Tabuas, but it's wide.
-59': finally some play developping through the flanks, Rui Oscar crosses for Edgar who controls superbly, has plenty of time, he pounds -> oh what a great save by Kapantsov, that should have gone in!
-64': Hugo Viana on for a quiet Boa Morte. Postiga works hard and crosses in the box for Hugo Viana's half-volley -> parried, again.
-69': Portugal push and are exposed to counter-attacks, here is one from again Volodenkov, cross and it's Chumachekov with a great header -> there's nothing Marco Tabuas can do here, it's in! GOL! and it's almost sealed now at (2-0). Oh this is unexpected!

-71': Portugal are groggy, Belarus have posession and the defense is beaten here -> oh Marco Tabuas saves the 3rd goal. wow.
-78': Kontsevoy dives towards the goal and it's narrowly saved by the Guerreiro.
-87': desperate push, Nélson Veiga came in the last 10' and has really brought a lot on the right-hand side, he crosses and finds Bruno Melo -> saved, again!
-89': Petit free-kicks and finds Edgar -> who finds the keeper.


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It's been a great game of football and a very even one between both sides. It could have gone either way, but Belarus deserves it for their keeper had an amazing day and their strikers were able to find the nets. It's a blow for Portugal and Forbs feels humbled here as Belarus move top of the Group with 3 wins.

Tiago in midfield had 2 poor games in a row, he should not be under Portuguese shirt; the defense is shaky and lacks word-class full backs. There's a lot of work ahead for the coach, who would like to think that the 4 key-injuries have weighed heavily in the last game's result.

RuiEsteves
15-11-14, 04:49 AM
Looks like another domestic paradise but a bitch in hell for Euro.
Working out well in the Liga although I have not yet played any of the Tres Grandes, and Sporting are looking impressive. In the Champions League it's back against the wall and mission impossible in Rome. Both AS Roma and Celtic are very, very good sides. More talent than we have. I may end up in UEFA Cup this time.

Baron Zbimg
15-11-14, 10:29 AM
1/ over the past 2 years I have received only 2 (!!) unsollicited offers for my players (one for Lassissi, the other for Teixeira), and 2/ no player even those who don't get play time, is asking to leave the club...

The Tito effect.



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troza
15-11-14, 11:37 AM
Don't worry too much... Rome is a pain in the ass and, let's face... how many of us need like 5 years to actually have a chance against Rome. You actually did beat them before... that's better than majority of times :)

RuiEsteves
15-11-14, 12:19 PM
The Tito effect.

;-)

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Don't worry too much... Rome is a pain in the ass and, let's face... how many of us need like 5 years to actually have a chance against Rome. You actually did beat them before... that's better than majority of times
well thanks... they have an old squad now, most of these guys are over 30's but still excellent.

RuiEsteves
15-11-14, 12:27 PM
Oct.15 / Pr.Liga (#7) – Leixões v Vitoria Setubal : 0-2
.goals : Figo, Felipe Oliveira
.assist : Ednilson, West
.MoM : Bras
-> Leixões are bottom of the Primeira Liga with 6D, but they are the first to be dangerous and get a penalty on the 9’. Neca steps up for the conversion and it’s parried by Marco Tabuas ! Luis Figo scores in the 1st half, Felipe Oliveira in the 2nd and the defense this time keeps a clean sheet for once. Bras (MoM) wins everything; a very solid game altogether, Setubal hitting the woodwork thrice.


It’s the return leg vs AS Roma and all pundits predict it would take a miracle to turn the situation around.

Oct.18 / Champions Cup (Phase 1, #4) – AS Roma v Vitoria Setubal : 2-0

-> Setubal start well in front of a huge crowd of 80k and on the 8’ it seems Pelizzoli takes Ricardo down in the area! But the ref says no…come on! 4’ later, the score is levelled as Amoroso finds himself all alone and scores, but the goal is refused fo offside. The situation is a little chaotic and on broken play, both Figo and Ricardo have clear chances at goal which they miss. During the first half-hour, the Romans have been on the backfoot and it is the Portuguese who were the most dangerous. Then there’s a few chances on each goal and just before half-time Marco Tabuas parries a great header by Veron. The 2nd half will be more to the advantage of the locals with a devastating Vincent Candela (MoM) on his left flank. On the 76’ Marco Tabuas parries again and 1’ later, Taribo West towers high above the defense and the keeper is beaten… but the header hits the side-net, what a wasted opportunity. Bocas tackles like a mad man in defense and it’s still (0-0) until the 85’... Marco Tabuas reaches for a high ball and grabs it… only to fumble and it falls to Colucci who pushes in the empty net. It’s a disaster, and Colucci adds a 2nd one in added time.

It really is not the right year for Setubal who played better tonight and probably deserved a point, but simply gifted the game to Roma in the last minutes; 5’ from the end they were still (0-0) while Celtic were also drawing in Moscow… at the end of the day, Celtic won (2-3) thanks to a last minute goal by Edgar Davids while Vitoria lost. It would take something like a double miracle now to advance further. AS Roma are already qualified.

AS Roma, 10pts – Celtic, 9pts – Setubal, 3pts – Lokomotiv, 1pt


Vitoria had better focus on the Championship now as they receive a struggling Benfica, dwelving in the 2nd half of the table.

Oct.22 / Pr.Liga (#8) – Vitoria Setubal v Benfica : 2-1
.goals : Pena (2)
.assist : Ednilson
.MoM : Pena
-> Affected by their poor European run, Vitoria start slow and are surprised by an early goal from Simão (14’). Os Guerreiros suffer until Pena’s equalizer from a header on 26’, following which they will gradually take control of the game and never let go. With a great DC duo Bras – Bocas holding the fort, Pena (MoM) finds the nets again on the 74’ and it’s a much deserved victory.


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RuiEsteves
15-11-14, 12:35 PM
Tito Forbs gathers his team the day before the home game vs Celtic, in the club-house at Bonfim after training. They all share a few drinks, it’s relaxed. Forbs cannot ask too much from his players, they’ve just landed him 2 Portuguese Champions titles and are 8 wins / 8 games this season so far; but Europe is a mess and it would now take a double miracle after the routing in Glasgow (0-3) to go through. He starts talking about their large squad of 39 professional players and how it’s tough for everyone to get play time. He goes on about Fortaleza Bonfim which was once again this season stormed by the Italians (vs As Roma, 0-2). He’s basically announcing them that he will rotate the team for the major game ahead, and is requesting from his “B team” to win and salvage some pride. Line-up is :

Pinheiro
Lassissi – Bocas – Diop – West
Ednilson (c) – Andrade – Teixeira
Mendonça – Moreira
Ricardo

Oct.24 / Champions Cup (Phase 1, #5) – Vitoria Setubal v Celtic Glasgow : 3-0
.goals : West, Ricado, Andrade (pen)
.assists : Ednilson, Figo
.MoM : Ricardo
-> It’s a major honour for those lads to have been tasked by their legendary coach to defend Bonfim. Until the 90th minute they will play their hearts out, true Guerreiro style, in an amazing game of football. Celtic don’t know what is coming at them and West is clear after a chaotic moment in the area, and pounds in the empty nets for the opener (4’, 1-0). The intensity of the match is huge and Hugo Pinheiro is having one of those special days where simply nothing gets past him. We are going towards the end of the half when Ednilson passes for Ricardo (MoM) who in his typical powerful style, bears down on goal and smashes it past Hedman for the (2-0)! Oh yes! They want to push down the British throats 3 goals as payback for the 1st leg. It’s a bit of a miracle that the Scots don’t score to be honest; the atmosphere in the stadium is cracking and reminds a little of the Barça game last season… and as Luis Figo had just come on the pitch, he is fouled in the area! 33yr-old veteran Luis Andrade calmly converts and it’s there: (3-0)! Os Guerreiros will maintain the lead until the end, it’s a spectacular victory and a lifeline to the 2nd round…


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“So boss, how did you like us tonight? Do we still have a shot at this?”, asks Luis Andrade in the dressing room. Tito has just heard the incredible: Lokomotiv have won (1-2) in Rome!! Rui Lopes prints out the current Group standings:


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The game in Moscow is now crucial: a loss and Setubal finish last and actually miss out on the UEFA Cup! A win in Russia, combined with an Italian victory in Glasgow (over the past 6 years, both teams have clashed 5 times at Celtic Park - !!! – and Rome has won twice, drawn twice, lost once), and Vitoria and Celtic would be on par with 9 points. Individual goal difference: (3-3) on aggregate, so it’s the global goal difference, presumably(?), that would apply. Today Celtic is at 0, Vitoria at -3. So if Celtic lose by one goal only to AS Roma, Setubal will have to win by a 3 goals difference in Moscow to go through.

“It would take a second miracle, Luis, so go and make your prayers son” – is the old coach answer to Andrade.

[ So dear readers, what do you reckon our chances are? ;-) ]

kuy
15-11-14, 01:50 PM
It's going to be tough, that's for sure - not just to get the results to go your way but to turn around the goal difference too. You need to smash Lokomotiv and hope that Roma do you a favour in Glasgow!

Baron Zbimg
15-11-14, 01:55 PM
I feel you'll win in Moscow but Roma are already through so they'll field a reserve side and lose in Glasgow...


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RuiEsteves
15-11-14, 02:07 PM
I feel you'll win in Moscow but Roma are already through so they'll field a reserve side and lose in Glasgow...

This man knows his cm0102! this had not even crossed my mind. So I'll cut the suspens: Roma did field a reserve side, their keeper Pelizzoli provoked a penalty and got red-carded in the process during the 1st half = Celtic won (4-0). In fact they may very well have done it on purpose: if you scroll back in the story, last year I needed to beat Barça to go through to the Champions League quarters and thereby eliminating AS Roma (Barça were already qualified). They sent a "B" team to Bonfim and I won (3-2, it was an epic game). The Italians were furious afterwards (not against us, against the Catalans), they officially wrote to UEFA.

Tito is starting to develop some sort personal rivalry towards the Italians. Inter Milan, now these issues with AS Roma and us meeting them almost every season...

RuiEsteves
15-11-14, 02:31 PM
Oct.30 / Pr.Liga (#9) – Vitoria Setubal v Salgueiros : 3-3
.goals : Bruno Melo (pen), Figo, Ricardo
.assists : Ednilson, C.Ronaldo, Bruno Melo
.MoM : Bruno Melo
-> It’s another thriller for Setubal in the Liga after the match in Leiria (3-4), with visitors Salgueiros scoring 3 goals from 3 shots in the entire game past a helpless Marco Tabuas who is struggling right now. Each time Os Guerreiros will equalize (1-1, 2-2 and 3-3) on a penalty by captain Bruno Melo (MoM), and great goals by late subs Luis Figo and Ricardo who have injected much needed flair into the team. Nélson Veiga had also a very convincing game, but despite all efforts including a disallowed goal for offside and hitting the woodwork twice, Vitoria drop 2pts for the 1st time this season.


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Nov.5 / Pr.Liga (#10) – Santa Clara v Vitoria Setubal : 1-1
.goal : Figo
.assist : Ednilson
.MoM : -
-> Santa Clara : 3 shots, 1 on target = 1 goal ; Setubal : 16 shots, 9 on target = 1 goal. Those stats pretty much sum up a game which Os Guerreiros should have won 10 times, but did not due partly to the clumsiness of their forwards, partly to bad luck, mainly due to an extraordinary goalkeeper : Adriano (MoM).

Again, easy points are being dropped and Setubal moves to 2nd of the table, 1pt behind Sporting CP.


Nov.8 / Champions Cup (Phase 1, #6) – Lokomotiv Moscow v Vitoria Setubal : 1-1
.goal : Ricardo
.assist : Moreira
.MoM : Ednilson
-> Our most sincere apologies but gutted by what happened on the pitch, our Portuguese radio reporter declined to provide his match comments. All we have is these stats which should tell the story:


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As was written above, AS Roma did not play fair and exploded (4-0) in Glasgow which means that Setubal are out of the Champions League (unlike Sporting CP and FC Porto, both of whom went through to the next Phase!). No regrets for tonight as even the 0-6 the Russians deserved would have not changed the story, since Os Guerreiros will play the UEFA Cup. The 3rd Round was drawn right after and believe it or not, we will play... Spartak Moscow!


Nov.12 / Taça de Portugal (Rnd.4) – Vitoria Setubal v Rio Ave : 3-0
.goals : Figo, Nélson Veiga, Moreira
.assists : Nélson Veiga, Binho, C.Ronaldo
.MoM : Nélson Veiga
-> It’s a relatively easy draw at home vs the 4th of the Segunda Liga and at last, Os Guerreiros manage to win a game that they utterly dominate. Nélson Veiga (MoM) hands-in a mammoth performance, while Ednilson and Figo continue to shine. Paulo Teixeira picks a 2-weeks injury.

troza
15-11-14, 03:49 PM
the last one was just a bad sequence of results. I hate when that happens.

Just save, turn off the game for 15 minutes and get that. The majority of times, that's enough to get the momentum back.

RuiEsteves
15-11-14, 10:03 PM
There's only one international friendly until the end of the year and it is against Spain. Tito is without Litos and captain Bruno Melo, injured. He goes with the following starting XI :


Quim

Nélson Veiga.............................Bocas........... ...................Filipe......................... .Pedro Henriques

Petit......................Fernando Meira....................Ednilson (c)


Cr. Ronaldo..............................Edgar

Nuno Gomes

(Subs: Marco Tabuas, Mario Silva, Rui Oscar, Rui Marques, Andrade, Boa Morte, Hugo Viana, Lourenço, Hélder Postiga)

Nov.15 / Friendly – Spain v PORTUGAL : 1-0 / (unknown)

- It's a balanced and tight game sandwiched between 2 championship fixtures which does not make it any easier. Both teams get similar amounts of posession and chances on goal, but on a devastating raid of Carles Puyol on the right wing, it is Capi on the 49' which gets the winner for Spain. One of Tito's most faitful Guerreiro, veteran Luis Andrade gets his very 1st cap at 33yr-old coming in 7' from the end.

On the one hand there is the bitter let down of a 2nd consecutive defeat; on the other hand, Spain are a world power-house and Portugal have run them close. The absence of Litos enabled Forbs to cap young phenomenon Luis Filipe (regen); when he told the Federação he wanted to uncover a new generation, even him did not know they would that young!


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Baron Zbimg
15-11-14, 10:42 PM
Tabuas having a terrible run ... But you're playing great that's the most important


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Baron Zbimg
15-11-14, 10:44 PM
Filipe has the look of a true guerreiro !!!


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kuy
15-11-14, 10:55 PM
Felipe looks like a real talent, the only thing lacking maybe is a touch of pace. Did he have dual nationality, hence the cap, or was he just the best centre-back available?

RuiEsteves
15-11-14, 11:05 PM
Tabuas having a terrible run ... But you're playing great that's the most important

Yes. Pinheiro played in Moscow though.

Filipe looks amazing, but Tottenham won't sell for the time being...

RuiEsteves
15-11-14, 11:07 PM
Felipe looks like a real talent, the only thing lacking maybe is a touch of pace. Did he have dual nationality, hence the cap, or was he just the best centre-back available?
No dual-nationality. There's a general lack of word-class players in defense for Portugal (besides Litos who was out injured), so Tito thought he'd try out Filipe who on paper is quite close anyway to the best available at DC. He handled himself decently (7) for such a game and at 17yr-old.

RuiEsteves
16-11-14, 01:19 AM
Nov.17 / Pr.Liga (#11) – Vitoria Setubal v Campomaiorense : 2-1
.goals: Nélson Veiga, Ricardo
.assist: Moreira
.MoM : Bras
-> The mid-week international game has taken its toll on a few players and Vitoria go into this match without C.Ronaldo, Bruno Melo and Ednilson. They have a slow 1st half and Marco Tabuas is once more beaten on the only shot on target of the opposition, it was Jacques right before half-time. Nélson Veiga gets in equalizer at 53' but Binho commits a foul as last defender and is red-carded (3-games suspension). Still, Os Guerreiros push and are rewarded in the end with a goal by Ricardo, while Bras delivers once again a great performance at DC, . A narrow but important win.


So it's once again a trip to Moscow as Setubal are now back in the UEFA Cup. Spartak should not be taken lightly as they have eliminated Chelsea (0-0, 1-1) in the previous round and reached the quarter-finals of the competition last year. Vitoria had already crossed their path in Europe a long time ago, and prevailed; record vs Russian clubs is now 2v0:

V- UEFA Cup 1971/72 - Round 2 - v Spartak Moscow (4-0, 0-0)
V- Champions League 2006/07 - Phase 1 - v Lokomotiv Moscow (2-1, 1-1)

Nov.23 / UEFA Cup (Rnd.3) – Spartak Moscow v Vitoria Setubal : 0-2
.goals: Ednilson, Moreira
.assist: Bruno Melo
.MoM : Bruno Melo
-> It's a comfortable game for Setubal who dominate the midfield battle, and it's made even easier as the Russians get 2 players sent off (Marcelo Silva 17', Mitreski 77'). Efficiency in front of goals is still not great despite all the space created by Bruno Melo. Qualification is nevertheless well under way.


Up is the major clash of the season at the Alvalade vs Sporting CP, who are top of the table with an astonishing run of (10W, 1L). It's almost 3 years since Sporting last beat Setubal and this was just before the switch of power on top of Portuguese football between both clubs. Can Sporting turn the tide the other way?

Nov.26 / Pr.Liga (#12) – Sporting CP v Vitoria Setubal : 3-2
.goals: Ricardo, Bruno Melo (pen)
.assists: Ednilson, Ricardo
.MoM: -
-> The Lisboa side will produce a great 1st half, Marco Ferreira (ex-Setubal!) scoring an early goal (4') following a free-kick by Niculae and the hosts depriving Os Guerreiros of posession thereafter. And the game looks sealed when Taribo West is red-carded (3-games suspension) on the 50'. Magno Alves scores a disallowed goal for a push on Pinheiro right after, and Forbs has a moment of hesitation on what to do. He goes for Tiago Alves to sub Figo and counter-attacking tactics. Somehow this will change the game as from that moment, Setubal are dangerous and Ricardo, superbly set by Ednilson, equalizes at 76'. It's a great result, but it's even better when the ref grants a very generous penalty for a foul by Litos in the area - converted by Bruno Melo (1-2). With 3' on the clock, Tito request Men Behind Ball. And in a crazy last 5' the season may have witnessed a decisive shift as Sporting bag in 2 (!), first from a header by the great Marius Niculae, then a last pound from Duda after a superb crossing of Ricardo. Vitoria's full backs were nailed all day long by Sporting's wingers and it's a very harsh for the visitors, and very spectacular, defeat. It's also a poor form by Hugo Pinheiro and Tito's keepers are clearly struggling right now...


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In the space of 5' from 87' to Duda's goal in added time, a massive 6pts difference has shifted between both title contenders. Tough.

RuiEsteves
16-11-14, 08:03 AM
> Dec.3, 2006 / Pr.Liga (#13) – Vitoria Setubal v Maritimo : 2-1 / goals: Moreira, Ednilson / assists: Bruno Melo (2) / MoM: Bruno Melo
It's a solid game against a dangerous Maritimo side this year (5th). Bruno Melo once again shines as he delivers decisive passes for Moreira on the 1' and Ednilson towards the end. This 2nd goal turns out crucial as on the last second, Lixa bags one in for the visitors.


> Dec.7, 2006 / UEFA Cup (Rnd.3, leg.2) – Vitoria Setubal v Spartak Moscow : 2-0 / goals: Bosingwa, West / assist: Mendonça / MoM: West
Tito rotates after the good result in the 1st leg. It takes 20' to get 2 more goals in, but the Russians will be dangerous in the 2nd half and should have scored was it not for a great game by Pinheiro.

In Round 4, Vitoria will play Austria Vienna. They should not be taken for granted and their striker is a young Belarus who is becoming famous: Maxim Tsigalko.


> Dec.10, 2006 / Pr.Liga (#14) – Belenenses v Vitoria Setubal : 0-2 / goals: Pena (2) / assists: Ednilson, Nélson Veiga / MoM: Pena
A deserved away victory thanks to a superb peformance by Pena. The midfield remains the strength of the team as evidenced by the good game of Ednilson.


Attacking Midfield is a crowded position therefore two players are transferred out :

- Artur Correia (25) / 9(21) apps, 3 goa, 5 ass - the Angolan national team captain cannot continue to get zero play time and although he wished to stay, Tito has put him on transfer-list. For £1.5m he moves to other side of the continent at Hibs where he should impress. We wish him all the best.

- Maniche (29) / 8(5) apps, 3 ass, 1 MoM - Tito had high hopes for the midfielder; he was a given a chance 2 years ago but failed to convince. He was alright at Setubal but it is in no one's interest to continue to have him out of every match sheet. For £1.3m he moves back to his first club Benfica where we hope he will appear a little more often...

RuiEsteves
16-11-14, 08:34 AM
This time Tito has listened to Pedro Figueiredo and finally a Brazilian forward arrives at Bonfim, on a Bosman transfer from São Paulo (where he was a key player and fan favourite). He's an international and his name is already known in Europe. He carries a groin injury but nothing serious, and should be fit in 3 weeks time. He will earn the biggest salary of the squad at £11k/w, and Forbs agreed to £475k sign-on bonus. After Luis Figo, he's the highest profile signing the club has ever made.


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Whenever Ednilson or Bruno Melo cannot play, Tito has noticed that his midfield is lack-lustre. At 33yr-old Luis Andrade has put in several poor performances lately while Binho is as solid as ever, but can only reach a certain level. Bosingwa will probably never be the player we hoped he may become and Paulo Teixeira is the only solid back-up choice. The coach has decided to build for the future at DMC and brings in 3 new young signings, all on Bosman transfers. It's a move which surprises everyone at the club.

From Varzim arrives young Portuguese Paulo Rocha, a promising DMC if any; he is on £475/w.

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He is 21yr-old and will challenge Binho for the central DMC spot; Brazilian Rodolofo left Fluminense and will earn £1.4k/w.

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Finally a raw talent (regen) from remote club Paranaense - Thiago José de Souza Fernandes is a special find from scout Pedro Figueiredo, who advises him to adopt the nickname Josinho in Portugal. He is only 18yr-old and will be re-trained at DMC alongside the Youth Academy graduates. He is on £825/w.

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It's a lot of Brazilians (8) in the club now : Marajo, Pena, Binho, Pepe (who have all acquired Portuguese dual-citizenship) and Tiago Silva, Kaka, Rodolfo and Josinho. Tito must remember that as per his own rules of conduct when he took over the club, he cannot field more than 2 of those who do not also bear Portuguese nationality in any starting XI.

Baron Zbimg
16-11-14, 09:46 AM
The new signings look good, Kaka is superb and you'll have a real shot at winning the UEFA cup.


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RuiEsteves
16-11-14, 10:24 AM
> Dec.18, 2006 / Pr.Liga (#15) – Vitoria Setubal v Chaves : 2-0 / goals: Moreira, Pena / assists: Figo, Moreira / MoM: Moreira
Almani Moreira is fighting to get his starting slot back and delivers a superb game. Os Guerreiros are tired, Nélson Veiga picks an injury (3-weeks), so does Rodolfo for his very 1st match with Setubal (3-weeks).

All players get a week holiday for Christmas. Forbs looks at the table and just like last season, it's a 3-horses race. Next game on Jan.1 is at the Dragão!


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There is a player Forbs has always wanted to recruit and now is the opportunity. There's a bit of bargain but Olympique Lyonnais release him for £1.2m which is a great deal for the Cameroonian international. He gets a huge wage of £10.5k/w and £300k sign-on bonus, and is happy to call Bonfim his new home!


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As a result, both Tiago Silva and Pepe are put on the transfer-list.

RuiEsteves
16-11-14, 01:05 PM
Last season Setubal were dealt a crushing blow at the Dragão (0-3) on Dec.30. Here's Tito hoping the Jan.1 fixture will mean good luck this time!

> Jan.1, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#16) – FC Porto v Vitoria Setubal : 2-1 / goal: Olembé / assist: Lassissi
Os Guerreiros start well, push and create chances when on the 15' following a counter-attack, Hugo Pinheiro takes Dario down in the area. The keeper is red-carded (3-games suspension) and Rodrigo converts (1-0). It's Marco Tabuas in for Moreira. Porto take no risk and defend, getting no further shot on goal until the 63' when Clayton pounds a free-kick into the nets (2-0). It's very harsh, but Olembé for his first game with Setubal gets a winning low-shot on the 68' (2-1). With 20' to go Vitoria push, and its 10 v 10 when Tiago gets injured as the hosts have already got their 3 subs in. Alas, just like at the Alvalde a month ago, fortune will not smile on Forbs whose team lose another crucial encounter against their rivals - undeserved for FC Porto who have only managed 2 shots!


The Taça de Portugal is up next and it is once again a trip to Estrela Amadora (6th in Segunda Liga) whom Setubal eliminated last season (1-2) in Rnd.6.

> Jan.7, 2007 / Taça de Portugal (Rnd.5) – Estrela Amadora v Vitoria Setubal : 1-2 / goals: Marajo, Pena / assists: F.Oliveira, Binho
Amadora fight like hell on their home turf; Marajo opens fire quickly (26') but Lähitie gets a deserved equalizer (45'). It's going into extra-time when Pena who came on as sub manages to score the qualifying goal seconds from the whistle. Close.


> Jan.14, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#17) – Vitoria Setubal v Farense : 1-0 / goal: Kaka / assist: Olembé / MoM: Bruno Melo
It couldn't be a great game on a wet day against 11 defenders. The winning goal comes at the 89' from the star of the day, Brazilian Kaka who is already a crowd favourite. Skipper Bruno Melo played well.

> Jan.19, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#18) – Vitoria Setubal v Beira-Mar : 2-1 / goals: Nélson Veiga, Bocas / assists: Olembé, Ednilson / MoM: Ednilson
It has been a real thriller at Bonfim with an uninspired Vitoria struggling against a dangerous Beira-Mar side. It takes a great crossing from Salomon Olembé for Nélson Veiga to finds the nets with a header... but on the 87', Marco Tabuas fouls Rui Lima in the area, who converts for the (1-1). Tito is fuming, he calls everyone into attack and on the very last second of the match, as Ednilson floats the corner, Bocas scores his 1st ever goal with the club! oh it's again a very close call for Os Guerreiros who are clearly struggling.


It's an easy draw for the 6th Round of the Cup as Sanjoanense are sitting 16th of the Segunda Liga.

> Jan.24, 2007 / Taça de Portugal (Rnd.6) – Sanjoanense v Vitoria Setubal : 0-4 / goals: West, Rodolfo, Kaka, Cr.Ronaldo / assists: Kaka, Bosingwa, Ouedraogo / MoM: Kaka
Not much to take home from such a thumping other than the players enjoying themselves. Kaka and Cr.Ronaldo were quite the duo upfront, and West impressed. Vitoria are through to the quarters.

BobMem
16-11-14, 03:40 PM
Tsigalko is coming!!!

RuiEsteves
16-11-14, 04:04 PM
> Jan.28, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#19) – Aves v Vitoria Setubal : 2-3 / goals: Pena (2), Cr.Ronaldo / assists: Kaka (2), Rodolfo / MoM: Kaka
Tito has never won at Aves (3D) and once again it proves to be a tough game. The hosts manage an incredible 10 shots, all on target (!!) for "only" 2 goals by Wellington thanks a superb game by Hugo Pinheiro. Fortunately Os Guerreiros had started very strong with an incredible Kaka setting up Pena twice within the first 13'. On the 72', Cr.Ronaldo reminds of his talent as he scores a crucial goal after a ferocious forward run. It's an important away victory.

> Feb.5, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#20) – Vitoria Setubal v Vit. Guimarães : 2-0 / goals: Pena, Figo / assist: Rodolfo / MoM: Ednilson
A solid game at home for Setubal who get a deserved victory. Ednilson shines in midfield.

After 20 Liga games, positions now are: 1. Sporting CP (51) - 2. Vit. Setubal (50) - 3. FC Porto (48).


A home quarter-finals for the back-to-back winners was always going to be a good draw, and Setubal were not too impressed with Santa Clara this season.

> Feb.7, 2007 / Taça de Portugal (Quarter-Final) – Vitoria Setubal v Santa Clara : 3-1 / goals: Cr.Ronaldo, F.Oliveira, Bruno Melo (pen) / assists: Bosingwa, F.Oliveira / MoM: Teixeira
Well the Açorans came to surprise and they control the game during the 1st half in which Os Guerreiros get a single shot: Cr.Ronaldo pounding a splendid free-kick for the opener (45')! Lassissi picks a 1-month injury, and the 2nd half is as tight as the first and it is not really a surprise to see Gilmar equalize on 69'. Bonfim get behind their team, Paulo Teixeira delivers in midfield and Felipe Oliveira scores on 81', and obtains a penalty on 89' for a flattering (3-1) win.

Setubal have had a relatively easy ride to the semi-finals of the Cup where they will be drawn with: Leiria, Campomaiorense and Barreirense (Segunda). Os Tres Grandes are out!


> Feb.11, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#21) – União Madeira v Vitoria Setubal : 1-2 / goals: Pena, Cr.Ronaldo / assists: Ednilson / MoM: Bras
Madeira are a rather weak side and Os Guerreiros dominate the 1st half, taking a comfortable lead (0-2) with Cr.Ronaldo striking another long-range free-kick. But they let the hosts back in the game in with a goal from a corner-kick on the 52' and there will be scary moments in the final minutes.

> Feb.17, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#22) – Vitoria Setubal v Leiria : 2-1 / goals: Kaka, Bruno Melo / assist: Pena / MoM: Bruno Melo
Vitoria deserve their win after controlling the game throughout, the late penalty-kick by Leiria being only consolation. Bruno Melo scores a splendid 2nd goal after a solo run.

Vitoria record their 9th consecutive victory before travelling away to Boavista and starting a more challenging month of March.

RuiEsteves
16-11-14, 04:06 PM
Tsigalko is coming!!!
Bonfim eagerly awaits :mad:

Baron Zbimg
16-11-14, 04:19 PM
Tsigalko is coming!!!

Is he as good in the 3.68 ?


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RuiEsteves
16-11-14, 04:23 PM
Is he as good in the 3.68 ?

What do you think? I've never played the plain ODB... here is Maxim Tsigalko from Austria Vienna, about to play in Bonfim against Vitoria:

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Baron Zbimg
16-11-14, 04:25 PM
Well he looks as good, besides the goal ratio. Also, he's a forward ? I've never seen him being anything else than a striker.


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ZanSnake
16-11-14, 04:26 PM
seems to have made some form in the Euro campaign!

Baron Zbimg
16-11-14, 04:30 PM
Your goalies keep on being inconsistent, maybe you need a new one next year ?


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RuiEsteves
16-11-14, 04:54 PM
Well he looks as good, besides the goal ratio. Also, he's a forward ? I've never seen him being anything else than a striker.

Just checked: he's scored 83 goals in 193 games since the start of his club career.


seems to have made some form in the Euro campaign!
Yep, that's pretty much always the case between "real games" in-game and games in a non-league surch as Austria, which I have not loaded... he's going to be quite a threat that's for sure.

RuiEsteves
16-11-14, 04:56 PM
Your goalies keep on being inconsistent, maybe you need a new one next year ?

Yes, it's an issue.
Tabuas played 19 games, conceded 23, rated 7.16 / Pinheiro played 18, conceded 13, rated 7.22.

Hugo Pinheiro has the spot right now, but his red-card early in the Porto game may end-up costing us dear. Getting another goalie, not so simple: Tito will only play a Portuguese at that position, and even in the national squad he struggles to find very good ones!

Baron Zbimg
16-11-14, 04:57 PM
Pinheiro has a decent ratio. No talented GK in the U21 ?


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RuiEsteves
16-11-14, 05:01 PM
Pinheiro has a decent ratio. No talented GK in the U21 ?

There's one (Vitor Oliveira, ex-PSG) who is excellent but for a 3 in Determination (and concedes truck loads with Benfica, but their defense is crap), and for the sake of story-telling it does not fit in well to have 3 in determination and be coached by Tito.
There's another one which came up at Guimarães, I'm keeping an eye on him. But I'm still hoping that Pinheiro will finally take-off (I've played him very little his first 4 years, maybe his attributes can still improve at 25yr-old?)...

RuiEsteves
16-11-14, 07:06 PM
> Feb.25, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#23) – Boavista v Vitoria Setubal : 1-3 / goals: Figo, Pena (2) / assists: Bruno Melo (2), Cr.Ronaldo / MoM: Bruno Melo
It's a rapid start into the game and Setubal are the first to be dangerous; gradually through the 1st half, Boavista get back in control and on the 42' Semedo (to whom Tito has just granted his fist cap with Portugal) opens fire. Os Guerreiros come back with a magnificent 2nd half, overpowering Boavista on their home turf. Magician Bruno Melo is irresistible and gives a goal to Figo and Pena each. Pena who will go on with a double just after for the killer blow. Cr.Ronaldo also contributed to this precious away win. That's a landmark game.


It's Europe again in Bonfim with challengers Austria Vienna visiting. It's the first time Setubal plays an Austrian side; for sure several reputed internet pundits, such as Baron Zbimg or ZanSnake, will want to find out how their idol forward Maxim Tsigalko has performed!

> Mar.1, 2007 / UEFA Cup (Rnd.4, leg.1) – Vitoria Setubal v Austria Vienna : 3-0 / goals: Cr.Ronaldo, Pena, Ednilson / assists: Kaka, West / MoM: Bruno Melo
There is way too much talent in this Setubal side for Vienna too have seriously stood any chance. Once again the outstanding player is Bruno Melo who is developping as Vitoria and Portugal captain into a world great. But his midfield comparse Ednilson as well as the attacking trio of Cr.Ronaldo (with yet again, another free-kick!), Kaka and Pena were on-fire. Austria got a few chances and Tsigalko specifically, two: the first after 24' he pounded a low shot parried by Pinheiro, the second on the 60' he eliminated Bras, got a clear chance and... found the post. His talent is there but failing to score that away goal gives a serious edge to the Portuguese side. Rodolfo picked a 3-weeks injury.


> Mar.4, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#24) – Vitoria Setubal v Leixões : 2-0 / goals: Cr.Ronaldo, Pena / assist: Cr.Ronaldo / MoM: Cr.Ronaldo
It was a one-sided game vs the bottom of the Liga who resisted for a while until Cr.Ronaldo lodged another free-kick (the 4th in a couple of months and the 13th in his Setubal career) into the nets. Pena doubled later with a great goal - he remains as 32-yr old a formdibale striker.


> Mar.8, 2007 / UEFA Cup (Rnd.4, leg.2) – Austria Vienna v Vitoria Setubal : 1-5 / goals: F.Oliveira (2), Mendonça (2), Moreira / assists: Josinho, Teixeira, Ouedraogo / MoM: Teixeira
Although only Pinheiro and West are on the pitch out of the players who started the first leg, the "B" team destroy the Austrians in a goal-fest. Captain Paulo Teixeira has a field day, setting up the goals along with Josinho (18yr-old, 1st game) and Ouedraogo. The canoniers are Mendonça for double (of which one splendid free-kick), Moreira and Felipe Oliveira for another double. Tsigalko picked an injury before the game (ie, chickened out) and did not play.

On aggregate this is the biggest victory ever for Setubal in Europe (8-1). But Tito keeps a cool head knowing the weakness of the opposition, and refuses to listen to the pundits.


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The 7 other teams qualified for the Quarter-Finals are:

SK Rapid Vienna
Olympiakos Piraeus
Napoli
Parma
Glasgow Rangers
KVC Westerlo
FC Zürich

RuiEsteves
17-11-14, 05:16 AM
> Mar.11, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#25) – Benfica v Vitoria Setubal : 2-2 / goals: Kaka (2) / assists: Cr.Ronaldo, Figo / MoM: Kaka
It's the difficult trip to Estadio da Luz and Benfica get a perfect start with 2 goals by Mantorras (8', went past the entire defense) and Rochemback (23', following a superb play) - Setubal are stunned. They start picking themselves up and will dominate the remainder of the game, and just before half-time Kaka pounds a winning header and gives them hope. The number of chances in the 2nd half is staggering with Ednilson and Bruno Melo once more dominating the midfield; alas, there is a very harsh call on Olembé who is red-carded on the 73' (the suspension will later be revocked...). It does not prevent Vitoria from pushing until the very end and they are rewarded as on the very last play of the match, Figo chips in for Kaka and it's the double. It's a much deserved draw (2-2) which will build heart and confidence in the ranks.

So it's the end of a 13-games winning streak for Vitoria. It's been 3 red-cards in 3 trips to Os Tres Grandes this season (West at the Alvalade, Pinheiro at the Dragão and now Olembé at the Luz). That's very unfortunate. After 25 games in the Liga the standings now are: 1. Sporting CP (64) - 2. Vit. Setubal (63) - 3. FC Porto (61). None are dropping much points and this should be very tight until the end; both Sporting and Porto are now out of the Champions League so their schedule will be a little lighter. Next fixture away at Salgueiros has been postponed (twice) so the next 2 weeks will be only Europe and internationals for Os Guerreiros.


In the UEFA Cup Tito for once believes the draw has been very fortunate as it is another trip to Vienna, against Rapid this time.

> Mar.15, 2007 / UEFA Cup (Quarter-Final) – Rapid Vienna v Vitoria Setubal : 0-5 / goals: Kaka (2), Mendonça, Moreira, Teixeira / assists: West, Bruno Melo, Teixeira / MoM: Teixeira
It's another glorious victory in the Austrian capital as Rapid are humiliated on their home turf. Paulo Teixeira is getting into a different gear with yet another superb game, alongside Bruno Melo in midfield. Upfront it's a 2nd consecutive double by Kaka, and another solid performance from Mendonça. Setubal are virtually qualified.

> Mar.22, 2007 / UEFA Cup (Quarter-Final, leg.2) – Vitoria Setubal v Rapid Vienna : 0-0
Rapid restore a bit of pride as a Setubal reserve team are held to a goal-less draw in Bonfim. It's been a walk in the park to the semi-finals really.

Other games results:

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Rangers have a frightening squad upfront (with the likes of Thierry Henry, Mido, Julius Agahowa, Barry Ferguson or Rebrov) so we're not too sad to see them out. There is still one Italian side though and as much as possible Forbs wants to avoid them. It will be :

Olympiakos v Napoli
Vit. Setubal v Westerlo

troza
17-11-14, 09:48 AM
You're close to your second UEFA cup. You're dominating.

About the league... one thing you can do... check your opponent's calendar often. They might end up with a champion's league on a Wednesday and a league game of friday... just go to see them both... you might get lucky cause, in that case, the players will get tired just like your own :P

Kingsley
17-11-14, 11:10 AM
Maxim Who ?

Please give Sevco 5088 (the correct name for Glasgow's financial cheats) a good spanking. It looks as if you are on a good bit of form. Close to unbeatable domestically (but so are Sporting) and now rampaging through the UEFA Cup.

Bloody Scotland disappoint yet again. Who is the bloody manager ? Sack them and get in Wee Gordon Strachan :hail:

RuiEsteves
17-11-14, 03:09 PM
About the league... one thing you can do... check your opponent's calendar often. They might end up with a champion's league on a Wednesday and a league game of friday... just go to see them both... you might get lucky cause, in that case, the players will get tired just like your own
Both Sporting and Porto are out of the Champions League and of the Portuguese Cup, so unfortunately their players will get all the rest they need while mine are still engaged in 3 competitions.

RuiEsteves
17-11-14, 03:11 PM
Please give Sevco 5088 (the correct name for Glasgow's financial cheats) a good spanking. It looks as if you are on a good bit of form. Close to unbeatable domestically (but so are Sporting) and now rampaging through the UEFA Cup.

Who, Rangers? Napoli have already dealt with them in the quarters. But I am sure you'll be pleased to know that your good friends from Celtic are through to Champions League quarter-finals!



Bloody Scotland disappoint yet again. Who is the bloody manager ? Sack them and get in Wee Gordon Strachan :hail:

They've been terrible in the group so far. I'm playing them in Lisboa in a few days. Berti Vogts is still their Manager.

RuiEsteves
17-11-14, 04:06 PM
Tito is still engaged in 3 competitions with Setubal as the batte for the Primeira Liga is as intense as ever, and there are two semi-final fixtures: in UEFA Cup v Westerlo, in Taça de Portugal at Leiria. As if this was not enough on his agenda, he must cast it all aside for a full week and focus on 2 upcoming international fixtures for Portugal: Euro Qualifications home games v Azerbaijan and Scotland, for which 6pts will be the objective.

As usual Tito has to compose with several injuries before naming his squad: Rui Oscar, Bocas and Boa Morte are out. His starting XI for both games will be:


Quim

Nélson Veiga..................................Litos...... ........................Rui Marques..........................Pedro Henriques

Bruno Melo (c)....................Petit...................... ....Ednilson


Cr. Ronaldo..............................Hugo Viana

Nuno Gomes

(Subs: J.Moreira, Mario Silva, Beto, Fernando Meira, Dani, Lourenço, Hélder Postiga)


>Mar.24, 2007 / EURO Qualifications Gr.3 (#4) – PORTUGAL v Azerbaijan : 5-0 / goals: Petit, Nuno Gomes, Cr. Ronaldo, Hugo Viana, Lourenço / assists: Petit, Bruno Melo, Nélson Veiga, Pedro Henriques / MoM: Petit
There's no contest here and in 30' Portugal are already up (4-0) as Petit and Bruno Melo set-up the midfield platform for in particular, forwards Hugo Viana and Cr.Ronaldo who shine. In the back, Rui Marques gets a first cap, so does young Lourenço as he comes in and goes on to score on his debut! an easy win before a much tougher game in Jamor, 4 days later with the exact same line-up.


>Mar.28, 2007 / EURO Qualifications Gr.3 (#5) – PORTUGAL v Scotland : 1-0 / goal: Nuno Gomes / MoM: Ednilson
Although virtually eliminated, the Scots are obviously a different kind of opposition. Portugal will play a great game, getting posession and most of the chances. Beautifully set by Ednilson in the opening minute, Nuno Gomes is unfortunate to see his header hit the post; just like Cr.Ronaldo's free-kick fingertipped by Douglas on the 42'. Pressure mounts on Scotland in the 2nd half as Ednilson delivers great passes in the area, all shots saved by the keeper... until a strike by Hugo Viana at the hour is only parried, Nuno Gomes being quicker on the reboud and scoring the only goal of the match (1-0). There will be many more chances on target for the Seleção including Ednilson smashing the crossbar on the 76', but Robert Douglas is in a great day. Anxiety spreads through the ranks of Jamor when in added-time, Dobie gets clear at goal and puts its narrowly wide. An equalizer would have been robbery.


It's been quite a thriller against Scotland, but in the end it's mission accomplished for this season. With (4W, 1L) in 5 games Portugal top the group. However Belarus continue to impress as they draw in Norway and are 2pts behind with one more game to play.

troza
17-11-14, 04:24 PM
Great. Two wins for Portugal. Let's hope that you keep the good momentum in Portugal. I guess that the league title is looking hard but I have a feeling that you'll end up with the treble :P

RuiEsteves
17-11-14, 04:29 PM
Great. Two wins for Portugal. Let's hope that you keep the good momentum in Portugal. I guess that the league title is looking hard but I have a feeling that you'll end up with the treble :P
Next games for Portugal will be away to Norway and home to Belarus. In September. Let's see if the latter drop points in their next fixture v Scotland.

I also do have a good feeling about the way we are going with Setubal right now, we play great football. But the Liga is incredibly tough, Sporting in particular are massive but it's really great to have such competition! the schedule is against me as I play more often; my only advantage will be home games vs both Sporting and Porto.

BobMem
17-11-14, 04:29 PM
They've just become must-win :)

Kingsley
17-11-14, 04:43 PM
I guess that Belarus have a certain Mr. Tsigalko and Mr. Nikiforenko helping them ?

Some big games approaching for club and country.

RuiEsteves
17-11-14, 05:06 PM
They've just become must-win :)
Yes. If I win both I know I have a shot at the title, otherwise I will rely on other teams to do me favours.



I guess that Belarus have a certain Mr. Tsigalko and Mr. Nikiforenko helping them ?

Yes Sir. But the rest of the team is also very decent, I was really surprised when I first played them as I thought Scotland and Norway (in that order) would be the main dangers for us.



Some big games approaching for club and country.

Most definitely. Stay tunned ;-)

RuiEsteves
18-11-14, 01:22 AM
> Mar.31, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#26) – Campomaiorense v Vitoria Setubal : 0-2 / goals: Kaka, F.Oliveira / assists: Olembé, Teixeira / MoM: Kaka
Promoted Campomaiorense are having a good season and deliver a solid game. Both teams get chances, keepers José Moreira and Hugo Pinheiro both are on a good day and it' going to the draw. Setubal push as they need a win, and on the 88' J.Moreira fumbles a high ball and gifts a goal for Kaka! 2' later, Olembé cross-in for Felipe Oliveira who adds a 2nd in added-time. A last minute win!


It's now the 1st leg of the UEFA Cup semi-final against surprise outfit KVC Westerlo, an unfamiliar face at this level of the competition. It's the 5th time Setubal plays a Belgian club and so far the record is impeccable at 4v0:

V- UEFA Cup 1970/71 – Round 3 – Anderlecht (3-1, 1-2)
V- UEFA Cup 1972/73 – Round 1 – Beerschot (2-0, 2-0)
V- UEFA Cup 1973/74 – Round 2 – Molenbeek (1-0, 1-2)
V- UEFA Cup 2002/03 - Round 1 - Club Brugge KV (1-0, 0-0)

Confident in the depth of his squad, Tito decides to rest Ednilson and Cr.Ronaldo ahead of the FC Porto 3 days later. A bold move for such a historic game.

> Apr.5, 2007 / UEFA Cup (Semi-Final, leg.1) – Vitoria Setubal v KVC Westerlo : 4-0 / goals: Nélson Veiga, Kaka, Figo, Teixeira / assists: Nélson Veiga (2) / MoM: Nélson Veiga
Quickly it is quite clear that the side sitting 10th in the Belgian league will be no match for the Portugal Champions, as Nélson Veiga gets a clear shot on goal and pounds it under the crossbar (5'). The right-back has a phenomenal game and crosses around the hour for Kaka's header to make it (2-0), before Figo kills the visitor with a great free-kick on 70'. At that point Setubal lift the pedal and Westerlo get a few good chances, all missed but they would have deserved a goal - but in the dying minutes they are caught with a deadly counter-attack on the right-flank with once again Nélson Veiga crossing for Teixeira's header. It's (4-0) and the Final is now almost there!


There are still 8 games to go in the Liga but this home game v FC Porto is crucial. Tito has a full squad, almost fully fit following the Westerlo game.

> Apr.8, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#27) – Vitoria Setubal v FC Porto : 0-1
Porto play their traditional 4-5-1 formation and it is a tight, tactical game. Very few chances during the 1st half, a slight Setubal domination. Forbs hesitates: should he push for a goal at the risk of a deadly counter-attack? he fears Porto's wingers Clayton and Lino. On the 53', Dario is through on goal but Pinheiro parries. On the 60', Bruno Melo finds Pena in the area, but Fabio saves. At 66' Ibarra passes for Lino in the area who tries to lob Pinheiro -> it's saved. On the 77', pressure mounts and Bruno Melo lobs in for Nélson Veiga who is clear, he shoots hard and Fabio saves the day. 2' later Clayton goes past Bocas, Bras and Olembé for a perfect pass to Tiago in the area, who scores (0-1). Game over, both teams have had their chances but FC Porto win!

That's a terrible blow for Setubal in their challenge for a 3rd consecutive title. Sporting CP finally drop points at home v Santa Clara (1-1) but it's now looking much more difficult. In the space of 3 daysn, Nélson Veiga went from hero in the UEFA Cup, to villain as he missed a great chance only for Vitoria to concede a goal right after on his flank. Such is football.

ZanSnake
18-11-14, 04:25 AM
Would Tito go for European glory over a domestic treble winning seasons?

Kingsley
18-11-14, 08:46 AM
Ouch !
The game with Sporting is now MASSIVE !

troza
18-11-14, 11:49 AM
That loss against Porto is so lame... :(

But with Sporting drawing... you will recover those points... just wait and see.

kuy
18-11-14, 11:49 AM
Going well in Europe and the title race is developing into a thriller! For a while back in February you were conceding a lot of goals (although still winning games) but you seem to have tightened up at the back now :ok:

RuiEsteves
18-11-14, 02:59 PM
Would Tito go for European glory over a domestic treble winning seasons?
Remember: Tito wants to win every competition Setubal is playing. He won't even sacrifice the Taça ;-)

RuiEsteves
18-11-14, 03:00 PM
Going well in Europe and the title race is developing into a thriller! For a while back in February you were conceding a lot of goals (although still winning games) but you seem to have tightened up at the back now
Indeed. I'll put it down to Hugo Pinheiro who has started all the games since January and has been consistent.

troza
18-11-14, 03:11 PM
I have a feeling that a new goalkeeper will be coming in the next year... no?

:P

RuiEsteves
18-11-14, 03:25 PM
I have a feeling that a new goalkeeper will be coming in the next year... no?

Tito is actively considering it. One possible target is José Moreira. But let's see how the end of the season goes and how Hugo Pinheiro continues to perform.

troza
18-11-14, 03:59 PM
José Moreira is any good in the version you're playing? He wasn't any good in the original database so that's a surprise for me :P

BobMem
18-11-14, 09:59 PM
Did someone say 'must win'? They'll call him a prophet if you don't top the league now...

RuiEsteves
18-11-14, 11:54 PM
Did someone say 'must win'? They'll call him a prophet if you don't top the league now...
it's even worse as I lost! those are 6pts games...

RuiEsteves
18-11-14, 11:57 PM
José Moreira is any good in the version you're playing? He wasn't any good in the original database so that's a surprise for me
He's no Gianluigi Buffon, but he's a decent keeper. Moved from Benfica to Campomiorense to get play time.

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/JMoreira-220407_zps4291f1cb.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/JMoreira-220407_zps4291f1cb.png.html)

RuiEsteves
19-11-14, 12:17 AM
> Apr.11, 2007 / Taça de Portugal (Semi-Final) – Leiria v Vitoria Setubal : 0-0
Tito wants to bounce back after the defeat vs Porto and fields his best team for this mid-week semi-final at Leiria. Os Guerreiros dominate from start to finish with 13 shots (10 on target), alas the hosts' defense is heroic. Setubal are pushed into extra-time and are almost ousted from the Taça when on the 120' Joel hits the crossbar. There will be a replay in Bonfim, which will further congest an already busy schedule...


> Apr.15, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#28) – Maritimo v Vitoria Setubal : 0-2 / goals: Bruno Melo (pen), Nélson Veiga / assists: Mendonça, Bruno Melo / MoM: Teixeira
What could have been a tough away game in Funchal is rendered harmless as on the 5', keeper Neves trips Mendonça in the area and is sent-off, while Bruno Melo converts. Nélson Veiga adds another one before half-time and Teixeira shines again in midfield. All is not rosy though as both Luis Figo (1-month) and Taribo West (3-weeks) pick injuries which weaken the squad's depth.

FC Porto beat Leiria at the Dragão (1-0) while Sporting prevail in Campomaiorense (1-2), which of course does not help. It's now 1. Sporting (74pts, 29 games) - 2. FC Porto (74pts, 30 games) - 3. Vit. Setubal (69pts, 28 games). Obviously tough, but we're still in with a shot - one thing to consider also is that Porto play away to Sporting in the game before last...

Baron Zbimg
19-11-14, 12:18 AM
A draw between Porto and Sporting would be Perfect for you. I say Kaka and Pena score against Sporting and you take that one 2-1


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RuiEsteves
19-11-14, 06:10 AM
A draw between Porto and Sporting would be Perfect for you. I say Kaka and Pena score against Sporting and you take that one 2-1

may the Gods of cm0102 hear you !

RuiEsteves
19-11-14, 06:49 AM
Following the (4-0) thrashing of the first leg and though this was a UEFA Cup semi-final, Tito fielded a "real" reserve team in Westerlo. Young Paulo Rocha made his first appearance.

> Apr.19, 2007 / UEFA Cup (Semi-Final, return leg) – Westerlo v Vitoria Setubal : 2-0
The reserves did what they could but they were too unexperienced, which allowed the Belgians a consolation win. Young Josinho picked a 2-weeks injury. Vitoria are through to the Final!

Victorious (4-2) on aggregate, Setubal had qualified for their 2nd UEFA Cup Final in their history! what a great achievement that was, although the run-up to the final this time had been much easier than in 2003/04. The opposition would be... an Italian club, as Napoli had prevailed (2-0) in the return leg v Olympiakos. The good news was that the game would be played in Estadio Jamor, in Lisboa - basically giving a home advantage to Os Guerreiros; it was to be held 3 days after the final match of the Primeira Liga...


Special for The Eejit: following their (2-0) vs FC Bayern in the first leg of their Champions League Quarter-Final, this is what happened to the Scottish side for the return in Munich:

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troza
19-11-14, 09:39 AM
Congrats on getting into the final of the UEFA cup and good luck with the league. You will still win that!! :)

Baron Zbimg
19-11-14, 10:02 AM
Job done against Westerlo! Bring on Napoli! How good are they ? They start in Serie B, don't they ?


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Kingsley
19-11-14, 01:07 PM
That Bayern result made me smile :lol:

Napoli are one of my bogey teams (also BATE) I always loose to them, so I hope that you have more luck. Going to be close at the end of the season and Setubal just have to keep on winning, of course these injuries are not going to help.

:pray:

RuiEsteves
19-11-14, 08:37 PM
Job done against Westerlo! Bring on Napoli! How good are they ? They start in Serie B, don't they ?

Yes. They promoted on the first year and have been in the top-tier of Seria A since then. They're seriously good, and we have not been very successfull vs Italian sides... I will post their team line-up before the game.

RuiEsteves
19-11-14, 11:33 PM
It may not be the best time to transfer a player-out but the Brazilian full-back has been sitting on the sideline while earning the club’s 4th biggest wage (£7.75k/w) for too long; he nows moves back home to Flamengo for a £1.7m fee.

Tiago Silva (28) / 35(5) app – 1 goa, 3 ass / although gifted offensively, Tiago Silva has been 2nd choice to Rahim Ouedraogo in the squad almost from the start. Since the arrival of Taribo West and Salomon Olembé, he is 4th in the hierarchy of left-backs and there was no way this could carry on endlessly. He played enough last season to be considered as Primeira Liga Champions, and has also got on his CV a European Supercup, FIFA Club World Championship and Portuguese Supercup. Not bad.


> Apr.22, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#29) – Vitoria Setubal v Santa Clara : 1-0 / goal: Pena / assist: Bruno Melo
It’s a difficult game in Bonfim vs a very defensive Açoran side who are sitting 5th in the Liga. Os Guerreiros play terribly for an hour, having almost zero chances at goal while Pinheiro is kept busy by the visitors. On 58’, Pena scores from a corner-kick (his 100th goal for Setubal!) and things are a little better until the end of the game. The defense has looked solid but offensively, it’s very average.

Sporting CP and FC Porto play challenging away derbies to Benfica and Boavista respectively, but both show excellent form and prevail at La Luz (1-2) and do Bessa (1-3). They are not dropping anything!

RuiEsteves
19-11-14, 11:37 PM
There is this friendly against Spain, again, in mid-week which is not really the ideal timing in an intense end of season at club level. Apart from Nuno Gomes, Forbs has pretty much a full group he can pick from and he goes with :


Quim

Nélson Veiga.............................Litos........... ...................Rui Marques..........................Mario Silva

Bruno Melo (c).................Petit.......................Ed nilson


Cr. Ronaldo..............................Boa Morte

Hélder Postiga

(Subs: J.Moreira, Pedro Henriques, Rui Oscar, Filipe, Fernando Meira, Hugo Viana, Felipe Oliveira, Lourenço, Semedo)

>Apr.25, 2007 / Friendly – Spain v PORTUGAL : 2-1 / unknown location / goal: Hélder Postiga / assist: Mario Silva
Beaten (0-1) last November, Portugal start well, push and are rewarded with an early goal following a superb rush by Hélder Postiga (17’). Sadly the rest of the game will look quite different as the Spaniards prove to be be a class above with players such as Raul (MoM) or Carles Puyol, and will score 2 deserved goals (Capi 24’, Raul 54’). Felipe Oliveira gets his 1st cap as he comes in towards the end, while Bruno Melo and Cristiano Ronaldo have a very poor game.

It’s a disappointment for Tito as once again when the opposition gets world-class, his team has no real answer for it. Posession was Spanish and the engine room of his tactics – the midfield – were dominated by their counterparts from la Roja.

kuy
19-11-14, 11:40 PM
Impressive result for Sporting there, unfortunately they don't look like dropping points this year... You did well to pick up three points against the fifth-placed team without playing well though. Napoli will be tough but if you play to your top form I think you can do it!

RuiEsteves
19-11-14, 11:45 PM
Setubal will play the next Liga game without Bras and Bocas (suspended), the latter picking a 1-month injury at training which rules him out for the rest of the season. That’s a tough blow! They are however heartened when they learn that Sporting CP have lost (1-2) at Maritimo - their 2nd loss only this season! finally, some points are being dropped.

> Apr.29, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#30) – Chaves v Vitoria Setubal : 1-3 / goals: Pena (3) / assists: Cr.Ronaldo, Bruno Melo / MoM: Pena
In 24’ the game is over as 33yr-old Brazilian striker Pena bags in an incredible hat-trick, set in particular by captain Bruno Melo. The remainder of the match will be much more balanced and Chaves get a penalty at 33’. The home side will have many other chances but Pinheiro has another good game. Chaves are relegated.

It was an expected away victory, but meanwhile FC Porto have drawn at home (1-1) v Salgueiros and that was unexpected! Is fortune starting to turn? Setubal are still 3rd but the odds look now much more favourable :


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We are the morning of Wednesday May 2nd at Bonfim training grounds, 6:30am. Tito has done all he could, called the Federação who happen to be his employer for the national coach job as well. He’s even talked to the press - but with no result. He looks once again at the schedule ahead of him: 3 games in 4 days, 6 games in 14 days! This is mental, abnormal, he has never faced such a situation ever before. Luckily there are few injuries but they are key players: Bocas, Luis Figo, and Taribo West (the latter should be fit within a week). What to do? there is no other choice but to test his squad’s depth. He must focus on the home game vs Sporting CP which is absolutely massive, so all his starters but Pinheiro and Olembé will be rested for the Cup Semi-Final replay. He loves the Taça de Portugal and badly wants Vitoria to reach a 12th Final, but there is no other way. Beyond the Sporting game, it’s going to be a final sprint where all best fit players will play – and none of the last 3 Liga games will be easy.


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He gives the armband to Paulo Teixeira and conducts a great training session the morning of the game v Leiria, firing up the 11 starters like only he knows how to do. He believes there’s plenty enough quality in this “B” team to prevail.

> May.2, 2007 / Taça de Portugal (Semi-Final, replay) – Vitoria Setubal v Leiria : 2-0 / goals: Ricardo, Mendonça / assist: F.Oliveira / MoM: Ricardo
Os Guerreiros “B” are well in place and take control of the game; they create chances but can’t convert and are almost taken by surprise when Douala hits the post just before half-time. Teixeira rallies the troops and on the 52’, Ricardo who has had a disappoiting second half of the season, resist the defenders’ challenge and gets the 1st goal with a low cross-strike. It’s (1-0), and Bosingwa almost doubles a little later but his diving header connects with the upright. Leiria are still in the game, but the killer blow comes on the 77’ as Mendonça swifts a free-kick past the keeper. It’s a deserved win, the 2nd team has made Tito proud and Vitoria are in the Final, again! It will be against Campomaiorense.

RuiEsteves
19-11-14, 11:54 PM
Reaching the Taça Final is great news. What is not so great news is Almani Moreira and Salomon Olembé picking 2-weeks injuries. Tito selects Ouedraogo on the left side, and Pape Diop will play in the place of injured Bocas at CB. Other than this, it’s the usual starters ahead of THE big clash vs Sporting CP, who have a fully fit and available squad. Oh this is massive and all of Portugal will be watching, as the winner would be ideally positioned to be crowned Champions!

Sporting CP go in with a defensive set-up. They have a fierceful team this season and have frankly been superb. Men to watch will be Marius Niculae, best player and scorer in the Liga 2-years running, Peter Cech between the sticks and a very strong defensive midfield with Scandinavians Källström and Gravesen.


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> May.4, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#31) – Vitoria Setubal v Sporting CP : 0-0 / MoM: Bruno Melo

- Bonfim is roaring for this great day, and it is clear that Sporting have come here to defend. As a result, nothing much happens for the 1st half-hour apart from YC’s being distributed by the ref. Players are nervous.
- 34’: Eder comes in for injured Källström.
- 38’: Os Guerreiros are gradually taking control and finally the 1st chance is there as Pena and Kaka combine well, only for Pena to shoot it wide.
- 39’: pressure mounts as Pena finds Ednilson who is clear, he aims -> Cech parries.
- 42’: Bruno Melo is once again great today, he crosses-in for Cr.Ronaldo who towers above Lito for a header…. oh no, it smahes the crossbar!
- 45’: Magno Alves gets a clear shot on goal from the 20m, parried by Pinheiro into corner-kick.
- It’s half-time and Setubal have really dominated the last 15’ and are unfortunate not be leading this.

- 52’: again Bruno Melo is driving the Sporting defense crazy, he manages to cross-in for Pena who is free, he volleys -> oh close!
- 60’: Tito knows he has to try something although a loss today would for sure condemn any title chance. Still, he waves his players to come forward more and launch all they have in attack!
- 61’: immediately after, following a free-kick, Bruno Melo deflects in the area for Pape Diop who is in front of the goals, but Cech parries!
- 72’: Binho comes in for a limping Ednilson, who receives a round of applause by the Fans who adore him.
- 73’: Kaka passes superbly for Cr.Ronaldo oh he is completely free, he can’t miss surely -> and superkeeper Peter Cech parries again, oh terrible here!
- 76’: Vitoria have to watch out as Martelinho who just came in breaks the off-side traps, he is through but shoots wide. Phew.
- 80’: Kaka has been average tonight, he is subbed by Mendonça.
- 85’: the Angolan makes a difference as he comes in, he dribbles past 3 defenders and beautifully sets Pena who has time to adjust the volley -> of no, the legendary striker is just wide, so close, what a chance to score here!
- The ref indicates 4’ added time.
- 89’: Mendonça receives a deflected pass, aims -> over the bar.
- 93’: oh there’s a mistake in the man-marking on Niculae here, he is alone and has time, he won’t miss and shoots -> it’s above the crossbar! Oh that would have a disaster but he missed!


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Oh it’s been a real tense and great game of football between 2 very good teams, but the result did not go Setubal’s way. Tito does not blame his players, they give it all they could until the very end, were brave and dominated their opponents. Peter Cech had a great day and they all have to admit it. All is not lost though :

1. Sporting CP – 78pts, 2 games left
2. FC Porto – 78pts, 2 games left
3. Vit. Setubal – 76pts, 3 games left

If Setubal win everything they will keep their title. In 2 days, Sporting play Porto at the Alvalade ! This is one hell of a finish for the Primeira Liga !

kuy
19-11-14, 11:58 PM
Shame you couldn't get the win, but avoiding defeat was important there. I hope you've put all your players on light/no training to cope with the hectic schedule! Will the B team play the Taca final too?

RuiEsteves
20-11-14, 12:03 AM
Shame you couldn't get the win, but avoiding defeat was important there. I hope you've put all your players on light/no training to cope with the hectic schedule! Will the B team play the Taca final too?
Ah, putting them on light or no training did not even cross my mind and it's too late, the season is over (I'll update more tomorrow). Taça Final will be the last game 4 days after UEFA Cup Final, so whoever is fit enough will play!

Yes it's a real shame I could not beat Sporting in that game, I had the opportunities... CR7 hitting the crossbar and bloddy Cech parrying easy chances!

Baron Zbimg
20-11-14, 01:12 AM
Wow what a crazy run, but you did very well and that draw against Sporting isn't that bad, although that means I was wrong !

Fantastic games ahead and a truly fantastic finish in the league.


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Kingsley
20-11-14, 09:58 AM
What a tense final few weeks. You could easily win a treble and just as easily nothing at all. It is in your hands, Sporting and Porto need a mistake from you.

Points on the board or games in hand. Your boys have handled presure before, so I will go with your position.

RuiEsteves
20-11-14, 08:20 PM
The marathon continues and all matches are now must wins. It’s a home game vs 14th ranked Belenenses, the easiest of the 3 remaining. Several are in need of a rest and won’t play: Nélson Veiga, Ednilson, Bruno Melo (suspended), Cr.Ronaldo and Pena. That’s 5 key starters. West on the other hand, is fit and will start at LB. Tito has asked his assistant Rui Lopes to keep an ear on what is going on at the Estadio Alvalade between Sporting CP and FC Porto !

> May.6, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#32) – Vitoria Setubal v Belenenses : 1-0 / goal: Kaka / assist: Lassissi
Os Guerreiros battle well into the 1st half, dominate and create chances with skipper Paulo Teixeira controlling the midfield. They are rewarded as on the 35’, Lassissi deflects for Kaka in the area who pounds a great volley into the nets! Gradually throughout the 2nd half though, it is obvious that Vitoria are tiring and Belenenses become really dangerous. They create mulitple occasions and Hugo Pinheiro has another good day. It’s in the end a very lucky win, but a crucial one so we won’t complain!.

The players could hear the roar in Bonfim as the goals were being pounded in the other game. Marius Niculae has bagged-in an incredible 4 goals and Sporting CP crushed FC Porto (4-1). Incredible! Because of mutual goal difference, FC Porto cannot be Champions anymore. Sporting play away to Chaves on the last game so basically the goal is very clear for Setubal : win at Salgueiros, and then at Farense and they come out on top; any other result and 90% chances that they lose their crown to Sporting.


Salgueiros are a dangerous side with plenty of talent upfront, ranked 7th in the Liga. They’ve drawn twice in Bonfim in the past 2 games, however the last 4 trips to Salgueiros have been Setubal victories.

> May.9, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#33) – Salgueiros v Vitoria Setubal : 3-3 / goals: Pena, Cr. Ronaldo, Kaka / assist: Nélson Veiga / MoM: Cr.Ronaldo
It’s a great day to play football and Setubal will deliver a dream 1st half. On the 2’ Ednilson is inches from scoring, and 2’ later Pena does score as he is faster on the rebound. Salgueiros cannot breathe, Cr.Ronaldo almost finds the net on a free-kick (38’) and 3’ later he is through behind the defense and this time, it’s (0-2)! And just before half-time as Nélson Veiga rushes and crosses from the right flank, Kaka pounds a superb header under the cross bar for an incredible (0-3)! At this point everyone thinks Setubal is on its royal way to a 3rd consecutive title, but Greek Lambros Chonos gets one back just before the whistle (1-3). Tito checks his captain Bruno Melo who has picked a slight knock and he decides to take him out for the 2nd half which starts with a great low kick from Tello who brings it back to (2-3), it’s been 2 shots on target and 2 goals for the hosts! At that point Vitoria are still in control and dominate, but can’t find the net as keeper Costinha makes several great saves. And on the 74’ Tito’s heart stops as this incredible Greek Chonos pounds a winning free-kick for the equalizer! From (0-3) to (3-3) in half-an-hour, this has never happened to Os Guerreiros ever before! And they freeze, incapable of producing any more chances until a very last rush forward by Taribo West in added-time, to no avail. It’s a draw!!


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Last October in Bonfim, Setubal had already drawn (3-3) with Salgueiros a game they should have easily won, and there were 2 goals by Chonos already. Now again it happens, only in a more dramatic fashion. This time Tito is furious in the dressing room, he tells his players they have only themselves to blame for blowing up a 3 goals lead on such a title-winning game! Huho Pinheiro is hiding in a corner, he knows that after months of superb consistency, he’s put in a dreadful performance tonight.

There is still a game to play and Vitoria’s moto is to never ever give up; but realistically, what are the chances such a great Sporting side will blow away the title at relegated Chaves??