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RuiEsteves
20-11-14, 08:35 PM
This time there’s a real feeling of let-down in the squad and Tito struggles to keep his players' chins up. The lads are all gutted and feeling a bit ashamed. They have to do the job in Farense, you never know, and Forbs reluctantly field his best XI only 3 days away from a European Cup Final.

> May.13, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#34) – Farense v Vitoria Setubal : 1-1 / goal: Pena
It’s a weird game with a soul-less Setubal taking on the field to face a side who have nothing to win nor fear in this Championship. After 20’ Chaves is still holding out v Sporting so there starts to be some hope while Farense has dominated and hit the crossbar. But soon Savio scores the 1st one for Sporting. Gradually Vitoria get into the game and dominate but it’s still (0-0) at half-time. Tito cheers them up a little, but at the hour mark Sporting bags in a 2nd. Tito decides to sub Bruno Melo, Ednilson and Kaka all in one go in order to preserve them for the UEFA Cup Final, and on the 78’ battling Pena is rewarded with a goal. But as if a bad spell was on the team, Farense equalize in the dying minutes just as Sporting CP win (0-3) and take the crown back.


It’s all over, Sporting CP are Champions of Portugal and to make things even worse since FC Porto won their last game, Vitoria Setubal finish only in the 3rd spot! What a finish this has been, it will long live in the memories of football fans in Portugal but for the fans of Os Sadinos, those memories will be extremely bitter as a 3rd title was only inches away. It’s probably in the head-to-head matches that Setubal has lost it, losing to FC Porto at home and drawing to Sporting also in Bonfim in 2 key games, was always going to make the title challenge difficult.

Primeira Liga 2006/07 final standings:

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It's a great title for Sporting CP and with 20 titles in their History they move ahead of FC Porto who have 19, but still way behind Benfica with 30 crowns.. The leading trio finished miles ahead of struggling Benfica (4th), while Santa Clara get a superb 5th place. It's then quite tight between Boavista (6th) and Belenenses (15th) with only 12pts difference. Chaves and União Madeira dropped out of survival race early on while Leixões got plummeted a that level. Naval, Infesta and Estrela Amadora are promoted from Segunda.

troza
20-11-14, 10:41 PM
That's just too bad... You really need a better goalkeeper...

BobMem
20-11-14, 10:53 PM
Gutted. The season was just too long I think. Not enough of the Os guerreiros spirit!!

RuiEsteves
21-11-14, 05:42 AM
That's just too bad... You really need a better goalkeeper...
What's for sure is that 33 goals conceded is my 2nd worst total in 6 years. Hugo Pinheiro had a nightmare vs Salgueiros, letting that 3 goals lead slip by will haunt us for a while. But looking back, it's really in the head to head games vs Porto (2 losses) and Sporting (1 draw, 1 loss) that we lost our title.

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Gutted. The season was just too long I think. Not enough of the Os guerreiros spirit!!
Clearly ran out of steam towards the end. And still 2 games (2 Finals) to go!

RuiEsteves
21-11-14, 07:03 AM
There are 3 days. 3 days to pick the players up and get them mentally ready for the 2nd UEFA Cup Final in the History of the club, at home in Portugal against Napoli. There was no denying it, Italian sides had not really been the easiest opposition for Vitoria under Tito Forbs. Overall the record was now tied at 5v5:

L- UEFA Cup 1966/67 - Round 1 - v Juventus (0-2, 1-3)
V- UEFA Cup 1968/69 - Round 3 - v Fiorentina (3-0, 1-2)
V- UEFA Cup 1972/73 - Round 2 - v Fiorentina (1-0, 1-2)
V- UEFA Cup 1972/73 - Round 3 - v Inter Milan (2-0, 0-1)
L- UEFA Cup 1999/00 - Round 1 - v AS Roma (1-0, 0-7)
L- UEFA Cup 2002/03 - Quarter-Final - v Bologna 1909 (0-3, 0-2)
V- European Supercup 2004 - v AS Roma (0-0, pen)
V- Champions League 2005/06 – Phase 2 – v AS Roma (2-0, 1-2)
L- Champions League 2005/06 - Quarter-Final - vs Inter Milan (0-3, 0-1)
L- Champions League 2006/07 - Phase 1 - v AS Roma (0-2, 0-2)

Unlike in 2003/04, the run-up to the Final for Setubal had been an easy ride, having eliminated:

- Lokomotiv Moscow (2-1, 1-1) - Champions League, Phase 1
- Spartak Moscow (2-0, 2-0) - UEFA Cup, Rnd.3
- Austria Vienna (3-0, 5-1) - Rnd.4
- Rapid Vienna (5-0, 0-0) - Quarter-Final
- KVC Westerlo (4-0, 0-2) - Semi-Final

Napoli had won the UEFA Cup in 1989 with the great Diego Maradona, and it was to this day their sole European trophy. They finished at a solid 6th place of the Serie A this year and had also gotten out of the Champions League:

- Slovan Bratislava (2-0, 4-1) - Champions League Qualifications, Rnd.3
- Newcastle United (2-2, 0-0) - Champions League, Phase 1
- FC Köln (0-0, 1-0) - UEFA Cup, Rnd.3
- Gençlerbirligi (0-0, 1-0) - Rnd.4
- Glasgow Rangers (0-0, 3-1) - Quarter-Final
- Olympiakos Piraeus (0-0, 2-0) - Semi-Final

Napoli were without their main striker Roberto Stellone injured but other than that, had a full and very solid squad. Players to watch in particular were Defenders Fabio Rustico and Luigi Sartor, DMC Martin Demichelis, playmakers Fabio Liverani and Simone Vergassola, winger Davide Baiocco. Most of them were Italian internationals and their team really had no weaknesses. There was such depth that they had the luxury to keep Serbian Dejan Stankovic on the bench!


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Os Guerreiros were mostly fit (all between 95% and 100%) but several players were exhausted after that thrilling end of season in the Liga. Bocas was out injured and Luis Figo although still on one leg, was put on the match sheet. Salomon Olembé was not qualified for Europe and Forbs went with the mental strength of Rahim Ouedraogo at LB and the raw power of Saliou Lassissi at DC. He also picked Paulo Teixeira in DMC, for he had had a superb season, ahead of Binho (bench) or Rodolfo.

Kingsley
21-11-14, 08:50 AM
That is so unlucky. To loose just 3 games all season and only come third is very harsh. You are right, it was the head-to-head games which cost you in the end. Draw the 2 porto games and you would have won the title.

2 cups would not be a bad second prize, so go out and give them all you've got.

Baron Zbimg
21-11-14, 02:05 PM
Napoli seem very solid defensively, that will be an interesting game...


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kuy
21-11-14, 10:57 PM
Shame to lose the league like that, I thought you'd got back in it when it was in your hands with two games to go! I hope you can win at least one trophy so you don't finish the season empty-handed...

ZanSnake
22-11-14, 12:23 AM
Boooooo!!!!

Tito for the sack!!!!






































:D

RuiEsteves
22-11-14, 10:16 AM
That is so unlucky. To loose just 3 games all season and only come third is very harsh. You are right, it was the head-to-head games which cost you in the end. Draw the 2 porto games and you would have won the title.

Actually even simpler than that: a 1-0 win over Sporting at home and I was Champions on individual goal-difference. If you look back at the report of that game (previous page), with a crossbar and 2 "easy chances" parried by Cech, us winning 1-0 would have been a very normal outcome...

RuiEsteves
22-11-14, 10:17 AM
Boooooo!!!!
Tito for the sack!!!!

The thought crossed my mind since for the first time the board asked me to prevail in the Liga! I failed!

RuiEsteves
22-11-14, 10:48 AM
It's a massive game. Played in Jamor, the home of the Portuguese Seleção and Tito can hear his name sang and shouted by the huge crowd of mostly local fans in the stands. There are quite a few Guerreiros (8) on the match sheet today who were already involved in the May 2004 UEFA Cup Final in Copenhaguen vs Olympique Lyonnais: Nélson Veiga, Lassissi, Ednilson, Cr. Ronaldo, Pena, Marco Tabuas, Diop and Binho. Napoli are a tough side though and Forbs knows it; he also knows that the very defensive 4-3-2-1 formation, which is quite similar to his own, usually does well against Vitoria.

> May.16, 2007 / UEFA Cup (Final) – Napoli v Vitoria Setubal : 2-1 (e.t.) / goal: Ednilson / assist: Bras

- The stadium is massively supporting Setubal during the early part of the game, and boes a very defensive Italian side who close shop for the first 25' during which not much happens.
- 27’: and as is often the case it is the defending team who has the 1st chance when Sartor is quicker on a rebound and it takes a great save from Pinheiro to avoid a goal!
- 33': it's only on broken play and set pieces that one has the feeling the game can be unlocked. Bras sends a long free-kick into the area and somehow Ednilson jumps higher than the defense and pounds a header close to the post and.... it's in, it's a GOL! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL de Vitoria Setuuuuubal! (1-0).
- 39': for a while Setubal take control and show the best of what they are capable of, with Bruno Melo delivering a perfect crossing to the far post for the head of Cr.Ronaldo -> oh no, it's the upright! the 2nd goal vanishes just there!
- 45': Napoli try to react but Bras delivers an amazing tackle in the area and clears the ball.
- It's half-time. The perfect scenario, (1-0), no injuries and Napoli who have not found a way yet to look really dangerous.

- 49': it's again a set piece from Liverani and the balls falls to Davide Baiocco (MoM) at the 20m, he aims and shoots low -> oh it's in! GOOOOOL! what happened here, Hugo Pinheiro must have been masked by his defenders as he never saw it coming, it's (1-1) and levelled!
- 52': Ednilson finds Pena in the area, the Brazilian volleys and it's parried by Storari, brilliant save here.
- 65': confused situation as Storari goal-kicks, Pena steals posession and he cannot put it in the nets as the keeper dives around the ball.
- 72': a quiet Kaka finally gets a shot on goal, it grazes the crossbar. Close.
- 73': Cr. Ronaldo is exhausted, he missed that 2nd goal opportunity in the 1st half and is subbed by non-fit Figo. Forbs hopes he brings his touch of class towards the end.
- 78': Vitoria combine really well as Ouedraogo crosses for Kaka -> it's over the bar for the Brazilian star.
- 82': dangerous Dejan Stankovic came in, he crosses in the box for Borriello who volleys -> great hands here from Pinheiro!
- 93': Vitoria have been struggling in those last 10' and the game is about to go into extra-time, playmaker Liverani has one last shot on goal and it flies through the grass, Pinheiro won't get there and it's.... the post! the ball crashed on the post, of what a close call that was!

- The game goes into extra time and it is visible that Setubal are tiring after an exhausting season. In the latter part of the game Napoli have gained control of the ball and dominate. Tito tries th throw Ricardo in for Pena.
- 99': Vitoria are powerless as the game gradually slips away from their hands, Baiocco runs riot on the left flank and crosses-in and the whole stadium goes silent as Dejan Stankovic just so high, so much higher than Bras and the ball connects to his head.... it's strong, it's on target and it's GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! the Golden GOL! the winning goal and a terrible, terrible outcome once again for Tito Forbs and Os Guerreiros who lose their first ever Final and it's a heartbreak here in Lisboa!



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It's a second desilusion for Vitoria just a few days after losing their Portugal Champions title in a dramatic fashion. The players are devastated.

RuiEsteves
22-11-14, 11:03 AM
There's a Cup Final to play; in other times this would have been a thrilling moment for the club and even the city, but now it only looks to some as a consolation trophy. Tito shakes his players in the 4 days following the Napoli game. They get no rest and it's old-style man management. Two of them, Cristiano Ronaldo and Saliou Lassissi are morally shattered by the unfortunate turn of events -> Forbs has no pity and they are not even on the match sheet for the game, replaced by Taribo West and Almani Moreira. Will Setubal get a 3rd Taça in a row and end the season on a positive note?

> May.20, 2007 / Taça de Portugal (Final) – Campomaiorense v Vitoria Setubal : 0-4 / goals: Ednilson, Kaka (2), Bruno Melo / assists: Olembé, Nélson Veiga, Moreira / MoM: Kaka
Impressed to be playing that game, challengers Campomaiorense get under pressure from the start and will never really get into the match. In the end they are 2-class below and won't even get a single shot at goal, Binho being the symbol in midfield of the Cup holders domination! There's good work on the flanks by Salomon Olembé and Nélson Veiga, who deliver superb passes for goals by Ednilson (21') and Kaka '34'). (2-0) at half-time, this is an easy ride and Kaka will finally mark history as his class outshines anyone else that day and he goes on to score his 2nd goal; later beautifully set by Moreira, Bruno Melo closes the show with a last one and it's a crushing victory and the Cup stays in Setubal!

The celebrations are low key for once, although winning a 3rd consecutive Taça de Portugal and the 5th in the club's History, is no small feat. It's the 10th trophy Tito Forbs wins since he took over the club.

Nevertheless the end of season will have left some scars in that squad and leaves Tito pondering on what changes to make for next year. All players are sent away on vacation and will be expected by in Bonfim early July, as usual.

Baron Zbimg
22-11-14, 11:06 AM
Unfortunate final against Napoli, your squad is good and deep but it seems you need at least a couple more World class players to really challenge in Europe. Still a really good season although an extremely disappointing one ...


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RuiEsteves
22-11-14, 11:10 AM
Unfortunate final against Napoli, your squad is good and deep but it seems you need at least a couple more World class players to really challenge in Europe. Still a really good season although an extremely disappointing one ...

That's a fair summary. A world-class keeper and world-class striker (which Pena was and is not anymore, although still very good) would have made a lot of difference this year. Also we concede too many goals and that is not solely due to the goalkeeping. In the end I don't feel we deserve to be Champions nor to win the UEFA Cup, close, but it would have not been really deserved as we failed to convert chances and were up against very good opposition.

There are rumours that a Portuguese fanzine has secured an exclusive interview slot with legendary and secretive coach Tito Forbs, so all readers are entitled to ask any questions they want (on his past, those last few years at Setubal, the squad, the Seleção head coach job and how he sees the future) and he may answer some ;-)

troza
22-11-14, 12:00 PM
Wow... that's some bad luck in that final.

It seems that you need some fight for the starting 11. I know the game is simple but I just ended a season when one of my best players improved when I finally got a second player to use in his position and he just demolished whenever he was called. I know that wasn't the only change I made (started to use one goalkeeper in the league, other in the cup and champion's league... you know that after February you play 2 games a week - or 3 if you're in the final week and you're in all finals - so I like to have 2 players for each position) but it worked. And I like when that happens.

22-11-14, 12:10 PM
Striker...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3Krcprh3E0

Baron Zbimg
22-11-14, 12:22 PM
Questions for Tito: with all the money in the bank, couldn't you make a push to snatch some of the best players of la Liga from your main rivals. Niculae, for instance, but also other players who are the class of the league ?

Who is your favorite player of Setubal all time ? Who is your all time favorite player, any country ?

Will you give a cap to Hugo Pinheiro ? Does Joao Paiva have any future in Setubal ?

Are you planning a trip to Greece ? I've heard they have a fantastic generation :)


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kuy
22-11-14, 04:19 PM
The Taca was definitely the smallest trophy of the three available but winning it is better than nothing! You seem to be building up a good squad depth but I think that now you need to look at spending a bit more to bring in some players who can improve the quality of your first eleven, particularly up front and in goal. The restriction to play a certain number of Portuguese nationals may make things difficult there though.

Questions for Tito:
- If he could manage any other club, who would he most like to manage? Are there any countries whose leagues or playing style Tito particularly admires?
- We all now know Tito's genius as a coach, but was he a good player in his younger days? What position did he play, what was he like?

Kingsley
22-11-14, 10:24 PM
Maybe challenging on 3 fronts was a bit too much for that squad. A chance to lick your wounds and get ready for another assault with a few more better players.

Questions for Tito
- How many games has he managed and what is his record for win's, draws and losses ?
- What is his ultimate goal, and has his appointment as national head coach changed his goals ?
- When does he think he will be as good as Sir Alex Ferguson ?

troza
23-11-14, 03:30 AM
I guess that we can make these questions:

- Two jobs during the season and we saw the club doing worse at everything but the cup. Do you feel that it is being too much having two jobs at the same time, even when you still did a good season with Setúbal and you're doing a great job with the Portuguese national team?

- After winning two doubles in a row, you became the target. With everyone wanting to beat you, do you feel that you need to make some tactical changes?

- How far do you want to go with Setúbal? Do you think you can go to the next level or do you feel that you already did what you could?

- Do you think that it is time for a new project?

RuiEsteves
24-11-14, 06:34 AM
Striker...

Mantorras... he's still only 25 and plays with Benfica who have not been successful in those past years. There's a £10.75m release clause on his contract. Maybe an option, yes.

RuiEsteves
24-11-14, 06:36 AM
The restriction to play a certain number of Portuguese nationals may make things difficult there though.

This, but it's part of the story and challenge. I need to have minimum 7 Portuguese nationals in any starting XI, and the (max) 4 non-Portuguese must either be Brazilian (max 2) or sub-saharan African.

troza
24-11-14, 09:48 AM
Well... we've had lots of players from other places, even in the small teams :P I guess that you can get your pool a bit bigger but I guess that keeps things "real" for you (it is strange to have a team with so many portuguese playing :P)

RuiEsteves
29-11-14, 12:51 AM
Well... we've had lots of players from other places, even in the small teams :P I guess that you can get your pool a bit bigger but I guess that keeps things "real" for you (it is strange to have a team with so many portuguese playing :P)
Let's say it keeps things real for Tito so those restrictions are not going away! on a personal level I have always thought that there is a fine balance between the number of foreign players and the number of "home grown" talents in a club, and I certainly don't like when the balance is completely off (such as with Benfica these days for instance).

ZanSnake
29-11-14, 01:05 AM
Question for Tito:

-Does he have a specific aim to reach within his managerial career?
-How many years, ideally, does he think he will be apart of Victoria?
-And, was is, in his honest opinion, his meaning of life? Love? Football?
-Are you a hedonistic person?

Last one is a follow up to the third question :ok:

troza
29-11-14, 01:27 AM
Let's say it keeps things real for Tito so those restrictions are not going away! on a personal level I have always thought that there is a fine balance between the number of foreign players and the number of "home grown" talents in a club, and I certainly don't like when the balance is completely off (such as with Benfica these days for instance).

I would say every portuguese team but sporting... and I believe that it was more a necessity than actually a decision that it is the best option.

RuiEsteves
29-11-14, 03:39 AM
I would say every portuguese team but sporting... and I believe that it was more a necessity than actually a decision that it is the best option.
Maybe you are right, I am not really challenging the fact that it may be the "best option" for a top Portuguese club - not so much because they could not win with an all-Portuguese squad (that is very achievable IMO), but more in terms of economic model and return on investment as the top Portuguese clubs rely on the sale of their best players to the biggest European clubs, and the profits are bigger when you do this with an unknown South American rather than on a Portuguese player from Braga or Guimarães which is already known in Europe and will be more expensive to sign in the first place.

But the point is that I simply dislike this trend, and there are many other things I dislike about "modern football" ;-)

RuiEsteves
29-11-14, 04:34 AM
We've been fortunate at champman0102 to be granted an exclusive interview with TITO FORBS, the man who has been the great surprise in Portuguese football over the past 6 years. Secretive, the old coach barely speaks to the press and is usually reluctant to answer any question not strictly related to the game that has just been played. Why the newly named Portugal national coach has chosen our humble web site to open up in this fashion, no one will ever know; we were surprised that he agreed to conduct the entire interview in Engish, a language no one knew he spoke so well. He's made it clear that he wanted to answer not only the journalists's questions but also those of fans around the world who have been following his spells both with Setubal and Portugal. We have split the interview into 5 parts and will release them one at a time.

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Journalist: good morning Mr Forbs and thank you so much for your time which will allow our readers to get to know you better. Sir we'd like to know more about your origins: where and when were you born, what can you tell us about your parents? family? do you have a spouse, children? grand-children?
Tito Forbs: good morning sir, it's my pleasure. I was born on May 2nd 1940 at our family house in this very city of Setubal. My late parents were Portuguese and all I will say about them is that they were loving parents who gave their children the best education one can receive. On my private life if you allow me, I am not prepared to give any more details.

Journalist: how did your passion for football grow? did it run in the family?
Tito Forbs: no, it didn't. Football really picked up over here in the late 40's, early 50s and became the national passion. At school, after school, we always had a football and our heroes were the Vitoria players of the time. Football has been part of my life since the beginning, like an evidence. Quickly it was obvious that I was not particularly gifted so as a child I ended up between the sticks most of the time.

kuy: We all now know Tito's genius as a coach, but was he a good player in his younger days? What position did he play, what was he like?
Tito Forbs: nonsense young man, the geniuses are on the pitch and I have never had any talent. I am just doing my job as a coach, every minute of my life, the best I can and relying on the great coaching team we have at the club. I used to play as a goalkeeper and I was terrible at it. I never managed to land a pro contract and played in several lower leagues clubs (Marinhense, Oriental, Atletico). If you talk to any of my past team-mates I doubt they will remember much other than the fact that I was the one letting all the goals in, and always shouting at their poor positioning!

Journalist: so you never played for Vitoria Setubal, not even in the youth teams?
Tito Forbs: never! and this is probably the biggest regret of my entire life...

Journalist: how did you get into coaching? who did you coach before being granted at everyone's surprise the head coach job at Vitoria in July 2001?
Tito Forbs: well it's simple, my life had always been football and since I was not good enough as a keeper to earn enough to eat a hot meal every day, as early as the age of 22 I started my "coaching" career. I first had a sort of scouting role for the clubs I played for - instead of training, I would travel to watch our opposition and report to the gaffer what I saw. I started buidling a profound knowledge of all players in the lower leagues, and soon I understood I could make a living out of it. I cannot list the names of all the clubs I worked for - and sometimes I would work for several at the same time. Gradually I was handed assistant coaching duties as well, and later I became "head coach" for several smaller clubs.

The Eejit: What is your ultimate goal, and has your appointment as national head coach changed your goals ?
Tito Forbs: my ultimate goal is to be admitted to Paradise following Judgment Day. I don’t think having been named national head coach will have much impact on the outcome. Now if we are talking in footballing terms, I have only one goal: make the fans, and particularly the younger fans, proud. When they watch us play, I want the kids to remember some amazing moments for all their life – such as our come-back in Bonfim to prevail over FC Barcelona (3-2) and qualify for the Champions League quarter-finals last year. I know the kids in the stadium will still remember half-a-century later what they saw that day, and they will tell about it to their grand-kids. And it’s not only about the results, but the passion we put on the field. I see football as a social ritual, one that bonds a community in a positive way, like a tribal link. This I try to pass on to my players - sunday pub league or Champions League, it makes no difference to me.

The Eejit: when do you think you will be as good as Sir Alex Ferguson?
Tito Forbs: well I just heard he retired from coaching after Jordan Ross was named captain of the Scottish national team. That’s poor form, he’s a pussy! Seriously I would barely be worthy cleaning the shoes of Sir Alex. I am 67 years old already and have managed my first pro team when I turned 61.

ZanSnake: what is, in your honest opinion, your meaning of life? Love? Football? Are you a hedonistic person?
Tito Forbs: the meaning of my life is to be re-united with our Creator. Until then, I try to do as best I can, never get complacent or lazy, nor discouraged or bored. I try to take every morning as the greatest gift ever given to me. Hedonistic? In a way no, my personal comfort and pleasure does not matter in the slightest. But in a way yes, since I take the greatest pleasure sipping my cup of coffee in the morning overlooking Bonfim and get a huge rush of adrenaline every time one of my Guerreiros performs a decisive tackle or steals posession, and I am not ready to let go of those pleasures for anything in the world!

RuiEsteves
29-11-14, 06:18 AM
Baron Zbimg: Who is your favorite player of Setubal all time ? Who is your all time favorite player, any country ?

Tito Forbs: oh my, those are not easy questions to ask! I am an old-timer so forgive me if the names that come out of my mouth are unknown to most today. As a young man I had the greatest admiration for all the legendary Setubal players of the 60's: Angolans José Maria and Jacinto João, Rebelo, Carlos Cardoso, José Mendes... the best keepers of the club also have a special place such as Carriço, the great Silvino more recently, or even my friend Félix Mourinho. But you know it is in childhood that one choses its own heroes and for me as a kid, it was and still is Emidio Graça, our Portuguese international in the 50's and a great playmaker. I still remember crying when he left to Sevilla in 1958, and being overjoyed when he returned to finish his career at home. But looking back in a few decades, it could well be that Sadinos fans would hold my own current players as the greatest of all time for the club, considering what we have achieved - certainly if you hear what the Fans have to say, players such as Nélson Veiga, Marco Tabuas, Ednilson or Pena should end up very well positioned high up in the Hall of Fame! and I should also mention Hélio, a club legend whom I have had the great pleasure to coach and who's been our captain for 2 seasons in 01/02 and 02/03.
The second question is equally tough, so I’ll give you three answers. My first choice is Eusebio and like most Portuguese fans, he will always have a special place in our hearts. My second choice will be a goalkeeper, since this is the position I used to play and the reference for people of my generation is “spider” Lev Yashin. My third answer will be related to the type of player I like and I trust at Setubal, non-nonsense never give-up types, charistmatic leaders and it’s also a tribute to British football which I have always admired – I’ll go with Bobby Moore, who else?


kuy: If you could manage any other club, who would you most like to manage? Are there any countries whose leagues or playing style you particularly admire?

Tito Forbs: the Brits. They invented the game and I have always admired the way they play it: simple, brave, with a lot of passion but more tactical intelligence than one usually believes and capable of producing classy, complete footballers. I remember fondly of the Engish and Scottish clubs great runs in European competitions in the 60’s and 70’s, sometimes against Setubal - and I will never forget 1966 with Portugal and England doing so well into the World Cup. I am particularly proud that under my spell we have been able to defeat the great Liverpool FC, Leeds United and Southampton! We also have a bit of a rivalry on-going with Celtic Glasgow, tied at 2 games each…in another life I can see myself reviving the glory of a club around the Midlands – maybe at Sheffield, Bradford, Preston, Huddersfield, Stoke, Derby or even more south, Nottingham… but hey, this is in the after-life! In this one, I am a Sadino forever!


Journalist: you're well known for being a conservative, some even say reactionary often in open rebellion about "modern football". Can you tell us more? where do you see the game going?

Tito Forbs: ah, don't get me started here. Football is a game which has developped into a corrupt, spectacle industry. For decades we had managed to keep the tides of money at bay, although from the start in XIXth century Britain the game went professional and there were endless debates on players' wages, etc... in the 80's and decisively the 90's, we've lost the battle and our sport is now rotten beyond repair. The wages are insane, the transfer-fees too, those bl*dy agents around the players are a nuisance, the constant switching of players between clubs, their lack of faithfulness, the lack of identification the fans have towards their teams - I mean how is a Londoner supposed to feel for his Chelsea or Arsenal team when there's barely an Englishman in the squad? this is nonsense, it makes me mad. Ticket prices also is ridiculous, as I mentioned earlier this is a game for kids and ordinary people to bond in a community spirit, and get their hearts lifted up, like a ritual. It is not meant to be a spectacle like the opera where upper-class people politely applaud (and don't go on saying I am marxist because I say this, that I am certainly not!).


Journalist: but you're complicit of all this, part of it!

Tito Forbs: I'm doing my best not to sell my soul to the devil entirely. I am trying to retain my players long at the club, I never keep one who wants away, never up the stakes when bids are coming in for a transfer, do not play the wage increase game ad infinituum, try to restrict my squad size and give a chance to local youngsters. I also pay attention at fielding players to whom the crowd in Setubal can identify, hence my restrictions on nationalities and the strong Portuguese character of the squad. I won't change that, even if my job was on the line.


Journalist: what is your best memory in football? and the worst?

Tito Forbs: my best memory without a single doubt is that day of July 2001 when I received that call from Vitoria's President offering me the head coach job. My worst? every single goal I let in as a goalkeeper... I hate losing!

RuiEsteves
29-11-14, 07:06 AM
Journalist: as you just said, you got the job in July 2001. No one knew you, no one expected you. How did you take the offer? what went through your mind? what did you do?

Tito Forbs: it came as a complete surprise but deep down in my heart, I knew this would happen one day. I accepted the job wholeheartedly and without a moment of hesitation. Immediately after I kneeled down in prayer and what I told the Lord is none of your business, and when this was over I went to work, not losing a second! I had a squad to build...


Journalist: where you afraid to fail? to be rejected by the Primeira Liga coaches and stakeholders? the players, even?

Tito Forbs: neither being afraid nor failing are part of my vocabulary. I could not care less about what other people in Portuguese football would think of me. As for the players, I've never had any issues with asserting my authority and I made it clear from the start that I was the boss and would not tolerate any poor attitude from them. But I'll confess this: the great Hélio was in that squad, and he was for 2 years my captain and relay on the pitch and this was a key contributing factor to my success as a coach. I sold 13 players and recruited 15 in the weeks following my arrival so I can't say it was an easy ride. But we started well, I had full confidence in the coaching team, we managed to bring back Rashidi Yekini who helped us to a great start with that famous (4-2) win at the Dragão for my first game... and the rest is History!


Journalist: how hard was it for the players to adopt your now famous 4-3-2-1 "Os Guerreiros" tactics?

Tito Forbs: there was some resistance at first, even more so from the coaching staff and the board. And the fans. But since it produced the goods on the pitch, everyone was quickly convinced. It's a tactic I had been working on and with for years and years at lower levels, there was no reason it would not work in the Primeira. We're not the most spectacular, heavy on defense, but we're solid and a non-nonsense football side. I needed a solid engine room to make it work at DMC and with Hélio - Andrade - Sandro, I was blessed!


Journalist: talking about Sandro, can you tell us what happened exactly in 2003? how did you go through the turmoil? would you take him back at the club one day?

Tito Forbs: what happens in the dressing room, stays in the dressing room. All I will say is that up to now it was the toughest moment I have had with a player, I had the greatest trust and admiration for Sandro and the decision had to be made to remove him from the team but I can tell you it was a painful one. Anyway, it's an old story - but no, he ain't setting a foot back here as long as I am in charge. I can forgive as our Lord asks us to, but I won't forget.


Journalist: who's the best player you have coached all those years? the most iconic one? the one you would identify with?

Tito Forbs: those are very uncomfortable questions to answer when you're still coaching those lads. My first answer won't come as a surprise though: during the 5 months between his arrival in January 2004 and our UEFA Cup win in May 2004, the performance of Pena are the most astonishing a player has ever produced for me in my entire career. He was simply phenomenal during that short spell, and thereafter he dropped back to being excellent! but beyond him, the quality and talent of all my Guerreiros is just amazing. They're all great. I would not want to single out one icon, but since his career is more behind him than in front right now, let me drop the name of Luis Andrade as the epitome of a Guerreiro in DMC and what a fantastic first season he delivered for us. I am not sure I can identify to any of those players, they're world-class and I was a nobody, but in my dreams I would have liked to posess the class, skills and charisma of our ex-skipper Hélio.


Journalist: which player was your best surprise? your worst disappointment?

Tito Forbs: best surprise? either Bruno Melo who has developped into Setubal and Portugal's captain, and whom no one me included expected at that level when he joined from Celtic Glasgow; or maybe LB Rahim Ouedraogo, completely unknown and who won the stadium and his coach very quickly such was his bravery on his left flank. The worst disappointment will go without a doubt to Brazilian international Rodrigo, who lasted one season before melting down and being rush transferred-back to Brazil during Christmas 2003.


The Eejit: How many games have you managed and what is your record for win's, draws and losses ?

Tito Forbs: ah, we have a statistician here! With Vitoria it's been 297 games for 203 wins, 49 draws and 45 losses - 579 goals scored, 254 conceded.
With Portugal 7 games for 4 wins and 3 losses (2 of which in friendlies), 12 goals scored and 5 conceded.


Journalist: looking back those 6 years, what's been your best moment? and your worst?

Tito Forbs: my best moment? my first trophy which also happens to be the first European trophy for the club: the 2004 UEFA Cup, and our breathtaking victory 4-3 vs Olympique Lyonnais in the Final. I had a dream to bring Europe back to Bonfim, and in 3 years Bonfim was sitting on top of Europe. That was unthinkable and what we achieved then is what makes me most proud, in terms of emotions. Of course, getting two back-to-back doubles domestically was an amazing, perhaps a superior feat... my worst moment, I would go with our humiliating loss last season in the Champions Leagues quarters against future winners Inter Milan (0-4 on aggregate). After such an amazing run through the Groups phases, it was a very bitter ending with unsportsmanship behaviour from the Italians which I won't forget. And while I am at it, I will add that I am not fond of Italian football and hope to reverse the trend in Europe against them in the future.

RuiEsteves
29-11-14, 07:40 AM
Baron Zbimg : with all the money in the bank, couldn't you make a push to snatch some of the best players of la Liga from your main rivals. Niculae, for instance, but also other players who are the class of the league ?

Tito Forbs : the only time we have done this was when Pena joined from FC Porto (he was a sub there at that time) in December 2003 and it did not work too bad for us… although it feels a little counter-nature for our humble Vitoria to try and recruit a starter from Os Tres Grandes, the possibility you raise should not be entirely ruled out. As for the great forward Marius Niculae, he is Romanian and as you may know I try to stick to Portuguese, Brazilians and African nationals only while at the club. One scoop I can tell you: I've had several agents of very prominent players from those 3 clubs calling me up to get a contract!


Journalist: can you shed some light about transfers for the interseason? any names? what positions are you looking to re-enforce?

Tito Forbs: we're full at DMC and AMC. I may look at re-enforcing our Defense one way or another. I have not been entirely satisfied with our keepers last season, although both are great lads who have achieved plenty in the past for us - Tabuas and Pinheiro. What's for sure is that we are looking for a world-class striker - Pena will soon turn 34 and Ricardo has not managed to reproduce the form he showed last season.


Baron Zbimg : Does Joao Paiva have any future in Setubal ?

Tito Forbs: João has been with us for the past 5 years, since he was 19. He’s got incredible talent. But as you know I play a single striker tactic and there have been little opportunities for him to shine (19 apps, 3 goals). My decision has been and still is that I won’t land him the starter SC slot; I’ve just conducted my end of season traditional interview with the squad and I can officially announce that João Paiva’s contract is now unprotected. We hope he, as well as fellow reservist Tiago Mota, quickly finds a club where he can get the playtime he deserves. In any case I will always keep an eye on both players’ career, and would never entirely rule out his story with Vitoria...


Journalist: can you name ONE player in the world whom you would like to have in the squad, but cannot afford?

Tito Forbs: Jesus, one name? Ok, I'll go with DMC Patrick Vieira - despite the fact he's now playing for Inter. He would qualify as Senegalese, but his £95k/w salary is exactly the total wage bid for my entire squad of 40 players right now, so... Patrick, if you fancy a 90% pay-cut, I am the man!


Baron Zbimg : Are you planning a trip to Greece ? I've heard they have a fantastic generation…

Tito Forbs: well young man I have more than just heard, as there are now several young Greeks in the Primeira Liga the most famous being striker Lambros Chonos who scored 4 goals against us this season (!) and will be remembered as the man who ended our run to a 3rd consecutive title just a few weeks ago! Nevertheless, I won’t break my rules of engagement at the club and Greeks are not part of the nations I have vowed to work with, sorry. I’d like to tell you that I may well go to their great country on holiday… but I have not taken any day off since I took office at Bonfim and I don’t like going to the beach anyway !


troza: After winning two doubles in a row, you became the target. With everyone wanting to beat you, do you feel that you need to make some tactical changes?

Tito Forbs: Yes I think we have become a target and that’s only natural, I did not expect Os Tres Grandes to let themselves be pushed aside by a lesser club. But no matter how right you may be, I am an old stubborn man and I won’t change my system: Os Guerreiros 4-3-2-1 till I die!


Journalist: you've signed 7 pro contracts from Youth Academy players since you took office. Can you envisage even one making it to a starting slot?

Tito Forbs: yes: Fernandes. He's only 17 and has already got an U21 cap. But I have not given up on the other 6 yet! having more academy players on the pitch for us is ont of my main long-term objectives.


troza: How far do you want to go with Setúbal? Do you think you can go to the next level or do you feel that you already did what you could? Do you think that it is time for a new project?
ZanSnake: How many years, ideally, do you think you will be apart of Victoria?

Tito Forbs: having won the Liga (twice) for the first time in the history of the club, added 3 Taças to the existing 2, landed 2 Supercups, a UEFA Cup, a European Supercup and the Clubs World Championship – in terms of achievements (and with the exception of what I consider beyond our reach and that is the Champions League) I think we’ve done it all. But you know, next Liga home game vs a Campomaiorense or a Beira-Mar, will be equally important to me, and a must win. My only project is to continue winning all the games I can with Vitoria Setubal, until I am not deemed the right person anymore or the Big Boss up there decides it’s the end of the game for me on this earth.
@ZanSnake - son, watch your spelling. Vitoria - there's no "c".

RuiEsteves
29-11-14, 08:06 AM
Journalist: your nomination at 67 years-old came as a huge surprise, it even created some uproar in the country. Is it true that you refused to get any salary for the job?

Tito Forbs: I won't comment on that.


Journalist: fair enough. Your first decision has been not to call up anymore the Golden Generation - Figo, Rui Costa, João Pinto, Sa Pinto, Conceição, Pauleta, Jorge Costa, Paulo Sousa... why?

Tito Forbs: I realize some fans will never forgive me for that sin, but I'll explain once again: they were all and most of them still are great players, but as we speak the youngest is 34 and in a year at the Euro, most will be close to retirement and unfit for games at the highest level. I want to build the future of the Seleção, not live in the past. Our current generation may not be as talented, but they're good. Give them the chance they deserve. I hope in the longer run my decision will be accepted by the wider public and understood, in retrospect.


Baron Zbimg : Will you give a cap to Hugo Pinheiro ?

Tito Forbs: since the international retirement of Vitor Baia, and this had started under my predecessor, the Seleção is looking for its new goalkeeper. My mind is not yet set, we are not short of talent in Portugal but none can be singled-out as being above the rest, I would say. I started my spell with Marco Tabuas who had been in the squad for many years before I arrived, but never capped. I needed a keeper I knew and trusted and who would understand the tactic from the start. Marco has struggled in the latter part of the season and I gave Farense’s Quim a chance. There are 4 or 5 other contenders, Hugo Pinheiro is one of them.


Journalist: why not Vitor Oliveira, Benfica’s keeper? He got 16 caps under the previous coach…

Tito Forbs: I’ll be very blunt – on raw talent, Oliveira is the best we have in Portugal. But talent is not enough with me, and I have always felt he lacked determination and leadership in the area. That is not a shortfall I can afford in the Seleção, certainly not at that position.


Journalist: you've got a tight, but not incredibly tough Group. At half-way through the competition, how do you see Portugal's chances of success?

Tito Forbs: Scotland are out already, which is a big surprise for me. Norway are 3rd and we convincingly beat them in Jamor (3-0), but the return leg in Oslo will be a very challenging game. The real surprise is Belarus who are more talented than any would have believed. Our next game is against them at home and needless say we must win, following our defeat in Minsk (0-2). If we do win, then there is every reason to be confident, though cautious. I trust my squad, our 4 wins have been deserved and convincing. I have no superstar but a balanced squad with still several openly contested positions.


Journalist: will you try to take Portugal to the World Cup in 2010?

Tito Forbs: if we don't qualify for the Euro, no - I will resign on the spot. If we go to the Euro, I will re-assess the situation after the tournament. How the season will have gone with Vitoria will also play a role because as I have made abundantly clear, I am not quitting that job - even for the Seleção.


troza: two jobs during the season and we saw the club doing worse at everything but the cup. Do you feel that it is being too much having two jobs at the same time, even when you still did a good season with Setúbal and you're doing a great job with the Portuguese national team?

Tito Forbs: good question young man. I’d like to answer a straight no, but I have a feeling this may not be true. This is part of the reason why I hesitated to accept the Federação’s offer, why I refused to manage B and U21 squads and why I would not commit beyond 2008. No matter how professional I try to be, my mind is now always split between club and country, and next season may be even worse as we have the Graal of going to the Euro in June as an objective…


Journalist: some pundits have claimed that too many Setubal players are in the Seleção now, and several of your caps (Marco Tabuas, Bocas, Andrade, F.Oliveira) have raised critics...

Tito Forbs: my conscience is clear, but I knew there would be such cabal when I accepted the job. Vitoria has dominated Portuguese football from 2004 to 2006 and I field a lot of Portuguese nationals in my team, so it's only natural that they are selected for their nation, is it not? Marco Tabuas had been in the squad since 2003 so his 3 caps should not be a surprise - and I removed him when I thought there was a better keeper for us. Bocas has been very solid at club level, but yes there are many other contenders at CB. Felipe Oliveira is one of the many contenders for the AMC slots where none is really absolutely convincing so far; as such, it is no surprise he came on the pitch as a sub once against Scotland. I now realize the most controversial decision was to cap Luis Andrade as 33-yr old. There were lots of injuries at DMC for that game vs Spain, and few candidates; however due to his age, I may have made a mistake that day - but please keep in mind this was a friendly game, and a one-off.


ZanSnake: Do you have a specific aim to reach within your managerial career?

Tito Forbs: I work on short-term goals only in this profession. Right now I have one clear objective: qualify Portugal for Euro 2008.


Journalist: well Sir, thank you very much for your precious time, this has certainly been quite a treat for us all at champan0102 and most certainly for Portuguese football fans in general. We were frankly a bit terrorized before the interview, but in fact you're a really kind man!

Tito Forbs: yeah son, but let's make sure we don't see each other again until our next interview in.... 2013. I have a job to do and I don't like journalists. It's been a pleasure, goodbye and long live champman0102! oh and do me a favour will you -> ask Mark Henderson to get back on his job with Manchester City, I am eager to see how he will get spanked playing this ridiculous 5 strikers tactic! modern football, Gulf petrodollars, pff.... tell him I hope for his sake that we don't meet in Europe this season as I would guaranteed quite a formidable reception in Bonfim...!

kuy
29-11-14, 01:09 PM
Brilliant set of interviews!

RuiEsteves
30-11-14, 06:30 AM
Vitoria Setubal 2006/07 Starting XI. Despite the disappointment of losing out the Liga title and the UEFA Cup Final, 2 trophies were won this season : Cup and Supercup. 4 changes from last year (Pinheiro, West, Bocas, Kaka); 26.8 yr-old in average, no player anymore from Youth Academy.


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Top10 players in the Primeira Liga:

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It's once again DMC's Bruno Melo and Ednilson with an exceptional season, especially the former who was named captain and finishes 2nd best player of the Liga! We have again Marius Niculae toping the chart, but 33yr-old striker Pena at 7th position is not far from the best strikers.

We will follow-on with the traditional end of year squad round-up, position by position.

RuiEsteves
30-11-14, 10:37 AM
- Hugo Pinheiro (26) / 39 app - 26 conceded / 7.23
He did it… after 5 seasons on the bench for the most part, Pinheiro took over from Marco Tabuas between the sticks. A good season overall although Vitoria had not conceded so many goals in the Liga since 2001/02, and 2 tough moments: his red-card 15’ into the game at the Dragão (1-2) and being beaten thrice v Salgueiros (3-3) in the penultimate match. The latter was particularly painful, will he recover? can he finally deliver that great season everyone thinks he is capable of, and maybe challenge for a slot in the Euro 08 squad?

- Marco Tabuas (30) / 18(1) app - 23 conceded / 7.16
The iconic club keeper and ex-captain lost his starting slot, as he was letting in roughly a goal per game from August to December… this the very year he was finally granted international caps (3) by Tito Forb! Can he fight back for the position next season? and make it in the Euro 08 squad?

- Paulo Sergio (36) / unused
His contract is now ending and there are rumours Setubal 3rd keeper will go into retirement.

Tito is uncertain about what to do next season. There have been critics voicing out that the qualities of his keepers was not in line with that of the rest of his squad - particularly several pundits at champman0102. Forbs insists on having a Portuguese national between the sticks though and there aren’t that many choices available, none being world-class players; he will have to recruit though, at least to cover the 3rd keeper slot.

RuiEsteves
30-11-14, 10:46 AM
- Taribo West (33) / 30(4) app – 4 goa, 4 ass, 1 MoM / 7.41
The big Nigerian had a great season, covering either LB or CB, with only one very unfortunate red-card at the Alvalade (2-3) to answer for. Packs a lot of offensive punch especially on corner-kicks. It’s a shame he’s already 33yr-old.

- Salomon Olembé (26) / 19 app – 1 goa, 3 ass / 7.21
Not qualified for Europe, the Cameroonian has impressed through the 2nd part of the season in the Liga with great runs and crosses from his left flank. Well positioned to be the starter of choice at LB next year.

- Rahim Ouedraogo (26) / 16(5) app – 2 ass / 7.14
Has done well covering both LB and RB positions from the bench, adding great depth to the squad. Will want to fight next year to get his starting slot back.

- Tiago Silva (28) / 4(1) app / 6.20
Left the club in March, returning to Brazil.

LB is now a position with many options for Setubal; there is however a risk of lack of depth during CAN 08 since all 3 pretenders are African!

RuiEsteves
30-11-14, 11:10 AM
- Nélson Veiga (29) / 43 app – 5 goa, 6 ass, 2 MoM / 7.23
He is becoming a club legend ad he started for the 6th consecutive year as Os Guerreiros RB, and was once again very solid. He also seems to have overtaken Rui Oscar in the Portugal Seleçéao for the starting position. And he’s only 29! what a player.

- Saliou Lassissi (28) / 15(3) app – 2 ass / 6.94
Confirmed by Forbs in his role as a substitute, offering solid depth either at RB or CB. Unprotected contract but does not seem to be getting much offers.

- Paulo Luis (16) / unused. No appearance for the young neo professional from the Academy.

In order to add one more option and in case Lassissi would depart, Tito recruits 18yr-old Portuguese U21 international Tiago Luis, on a Bosman from Santa Clara.

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RuiEsteves
30-11-14, 11:26 AM
- Bocas (26) / 40 app - 1 goa, 1 ass / 7.13
He pushed Diop away from the starting position, was solid all year long and even managed 4 international caps! that will be a year to remember for 26yr-old Bocas.

- Bras (30) / 43 app – 1 ass, 3 MoM / 7.12
Has somewhat lacked consistency but at the same he produced a few stellar performances in the tougher games, for overall a very good year at CB. A starter at Vitoria for the 3rd consecutive season, he has now reached full maturity. Will try to break into the Seleção in time for Euro 08.

- Pape Malik Diop (32) / 17(3) app / 6.70
The iconic Setubal CB has had a very poor start of the season and lost his starter slot to Bocas. Never really did what he needed to get it back. Will he accept his bench status next year?

- Eric Matoukou (23) / 2(1) app / 6.67
Again very little game time, turning 24yr-old soon. Will he want away?

- Pepe (24), Nuno Rodrigues (20) / unused.
Tito does not count on them anymore and they have been placed on the transfer-list. Too much competition, not enough to show for.

With an ageing Diop and too many goals conceded last season, there could be a case for a recruitement at CB. Tito is unsettled on the matter, but has a few candidates in mind.

RuiEsteves
30-11-14, 01:17 PM
- BRUNO MELO (c) (25) / 44 app – 7 goa, 12 ass, 9 MoM / 8.05. Member of the Primeira Liga Team of the Year. 2nd Best Player of the Liga. 2nd nb. MoM of the Liga.
It's an absolutely stellar performance the Setubal and Portugal captain has put in, the 2nd best ever in the History of the club (behind Pena in 03/04). 2nd Best Player in the Primeira Liga, 2nd in the nb. of MoM, he was named for the 3rd time of his career in the Team of the Year. At 25yr-old the ex-Celtic player is turning into a world great and will be looking to qualify his nation for Euro 08. To the delight of Tito, has agreed to a contract extension.

- Ednilson (23) / 45(1) app – 6 goa, 11 ass, 5 MoM / 7.89. Member of the Primeira Liga Team of the Year. Fans Player of the Year.
It's been the best performance ever by Ednilson as he secured his 4th consecutive starting slot with Setubal. What a duo with Bruno Melo in midfield, both for club & country! he is named for the 3rd consecutive time in the Team of the Year and his heart and attitude has earned him, again (3rd time) the Fans Player of the Year award. He is an important asset as ever for Forbs.

- Binho (29) / 29(5) app – 1 goa, 4 ass / 7.06
An average season. Started most games in the first few months but got seriously challenged after Christmas when the new recruits arrived, particularly by Rodolfo. His attitude is never in doubt. He secured this season his 4th consecutive starting slot with Vitoria, however things could change next year. His contract being now unprotected, will he be offered an extension?

- Rodolfo (22) / 15(1) app – 1 goa, 2 ass / 7.19
A decent first few months for the Brazilian, who is still young. He will challenge his compatriot Binho next year for the starting position at central DMC.

- Paulo Teixeira (26) / 14(12) app – 2 goa, 3 ass, 4 MoM / 7.65
Another superb season for the Portuguese midfielder everytime he came on. Has developped a real influence on other players as well, and was even called up (though not capped) in the Seleção. Not quite defensive enough for the central DMC slot, which is a shame as he is unlikely to challenge neither Ednilson nor Bruno Melo...

- Bosingwa (24) / 15(5) app – 1 goa, 2 ass / 7.10
Put in efforts to contend in a now crowded midfield group. Will struggle to be more than a sub next year.

- Luis Andrade (33) / 4(5) app – 2 goa / 6.56
After a stunning start, the 33yr-old Bonfim icon lost form and played little. Could next year be his last season at Vitoria?

- Josinho (18) / 3 app – 1 ass / 7.33
At only 18yr-old the Brazilian appeared in UEFA Cup games and impressed. Does not like his new Defensive Midfield training regime though...

- Paulo Rocha (19) / 1 app / 7.00
Another young midfielder for Tito Forbs to chose from... is available for a loan-out.

- Fernandes (17) / 0(3) app / 7.00
The young Academy player has been selected in Portugal U21 squad where he showed good form... is available for a loan-out.

- Sérgio Daniel (17), Tiago Pereira (18), Armando Rosa (19) / unused. All 3 Academy players are now available for loan-out.

An incredible amount of depth at DMC now, and only the central position to compete for really. No recruit needed obviously, however several players may well leave.

RuiEsteves
30-11-14, 02:59 PM
- Cristiano Ronaldo (22) / 40(1) app – 13 goa, 8 ass, 5 MoM / 7.54
Without being stellar, Cr.Ronaldo had a better season than last year and was crucial in a few games with in particular several great direct free-kicks scored. He is now also a starter for the Seleção. A bright future at the club, for sure.

- Kaka (25) / 26 app – 13 goa, 4 ass, 5 MoM / 7.73
Mad an impact and showed his class as soon as he arrived during the winter mercato. Pushed Figo on the bench for the 2nd half of the season. Can do even better next year.

- Luis Figo (34) / 18(20) app – 11 goa, 6 ass / 7.29
Started well and in spite of his venerable age, packed a great offensive punch even when he came off the bench with a few superb goals. Was missed as he injured himself in the final weeks of the season. Will be needed as impact player next year still.

- Mendonça (24) / 13(17) app – 6 goa, 2 ass / 7.23
The versatile Angolan gave Forbs yet another option at AMC. Maybe not good enough to be a full-time starter, but will be needed next season. Still quite young.

- Almani Moreira (28) / 12(10) app – 6 goa, 4 ass, 1 MoM / 7.36
Used in the same role as Mendonça, Moreira was again inspirational every time he was on the pitch. Some of the club's coaching staff are advocating that he should get his starting position back, especially with only one year of contract left...

- Felipe Oliveira (23) / 7(9) app – 5 goa, 3 ass / 7.38
Worked hard and yet again more progress from the versatile forward who was even rewarded with his 1st international cap! Tito has even sometimes used him as striker.

- Marajo (26) / 1(1) app – 1 goa / 7.00
Another wasted talent who got very little playtime, and yet his patience is endless as he seems willing to stay at the club. Could he convert into a striker?

- Hélder Mario (21), César Silva (20) / unused. Transfer-listed, they cannot possibly hope to have play time given the quality of their competitors.

Tito Forbs has more than enough depth and talent at that position now. Could even afford one departure.

RuiEsteves
30-11-14, 03:13 PM
- Pena (33) / 39(4) app – 24 goa, 4 ass, 3 MoM / 7.74. 2nd Best Scorer of the Liga.
Against all odds and while he is almost 34yr-old now, the Brazilian idol of Bonfim managed to bag-in yet another superb season, with 24 goals and finishing 2nd Scorer of the Liga. Tito does not believe he can go on like this one more year, but what a machine this man is!

- Ricardo (22) / 15(11) app – 7 goa, 1 ass, 2 MoM / 7.15
The young striker had a lot of pressure this year as he was given the chance to become the club's starting striker, and he failed. He's still only 22yr-old, but he has not shown enough composure and was relegated on the bench for the entire 2nd part of the season.

- João Paiva (24), Tiago Mota (26) / unused. When Forbs was short of options at SC, he called-up Felipe Oliveira or even sometimes Moreira. Tiago Mota has been transfer-listed as he deserves to finally play football, and João Paiva has now an unprotected contract and Forbs has recently made it clear that he did not count on him on a regular basis for next season.

This is an area where the club will be looking to spend next year. Pena is legend and Ricardo can still improve, but with a single-striker tactic there is the need for a world-class finisher in this squad, younger than Pena.

Baron Zbimg
30-11-14, 03:42 PM
Superb interview, I even really laughed out loud when Tito stated that his ultimate goal was going to paradise :)

This definitely helped us really understand who this man is, wonderful job.

Superb write up also, Melo and Ednilson with superb seasons once again. With a class CB and striker you'll be able to be a credible challenger in the CL I believe, contrary to the ever humble Tito.


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ZanSnake
30-11-14, 05:49 PM
wow totally got schooled there by Tito :lol:

can't wait for the next season :ok:

kuy
01-12-14, 12:39 AM
I reckon you should give Joao Paiva or one of the attacking midfielders a run of games up front before you splash the cash on a new striker - unless you can find a real superstar to come to Bonfim...

troza
01-12-14, 11:11 AM
Great job with those interviews :) Great storytelling and you have creating a great character to make this history a bit more interesting.

About your players... it is strange that your third best DM C is in the bench but I guess that you have your reasons (I admit that I'm leaving Jorge Godoy - saviola regen - in the bench instead of Montenegro - I don't know whose regen is he... the original Montenegro and Claudio Lopez are 2 strong chances) just because Montenegro has jumping ability that Godoy doesn't... even though Godoy is better than him at almost everything (I can try to upload they stats and their comparison when I'm at home). Oh, and Montenegro was the Fifa's player of the year and the second in the other trophy for best in the world. So, from your text, it seems that he is lacking something.

Great season by pena with 34 years old. The best I did was having Cristiano Ronaldo with super lame stats being my best scorer (but he had the physical attributes to play as my striker that camps in the area, in the only season that I really needed to change my tactics) and Barreto (I would say that he is the legendary player from my run with 9 prizes as best of the world, 3 from FIFA, 6 of the others) being the Champion's league top scorer at 36, taking advantage of some injuries of the younger players... so, I would say that Pena might still do it next year. I would look for another striker but with the amount of games that you'll have playing in Europe he might still be a star in your team. And Figo also did great.

And Kaka... wow... great way to start. Half season and did as much as Ronaldo. I love your possibilities in the AM and DM positions.

About the keeper in the Portugal squad... I never though that you needed determination as goalkeeper (but I keep 2 goalkeeper's always fit for playing whenever I can)... I always look for bravery (for the big games), Positioning, handling, agility and reflexes (As keeper's skills) and Strenght and jumping (cause I hate goalkeeper's that can't reach with the arms where the strikers reach with their head (unless they do a Maradona). Other things that I like is "desarme" (tackling in english?), speed and acceleration but I can't always find a keeper with all that unless at the start of the game). I know that you have a strong feeling... compare him to your players and see the stars at the goalkeeper position. That might help you to decide on who to take.

Also... why won't you allow one player (just one) outside that group of nationalities? That could make things interesting.

About your youngsters... try to give them some minutes in some super easy cup games. I enjoy when I'm able to give at least one game to everyone in my squad (even when they enter in the game at the 90 minute mark to waste time :P)

Kingsley
01-12-14, 02:05 PM
Loved the interview, and Sir Alex getting put in his place. Sounds as if there will be some changes in the National team once the old boys retire. Looking forward to see what happens next with club and country.

RuiEsteves
01-12-14, 04:23 PM
I reckon you should give Joao Paiva or one of the attacking midfielders a run of games up front before you splash the cash on a new striker - unless you can find a real superstar to come to Bonfim...
I find it difficult with a single striker. In this championship, every point counts and I've been burnt before having a sriker upfront who was not quite ready for the job (Ricardo, beginning of last season). João Paiva has made several appearances and scored 3 out of 19 games (most off the bench). Not enough. It's a bit the same issue with some of the AMC's (Moreira, Mendonça, Marajo, F.Oliveira). I think we need a world-class player as first choice, like what Pena was for us 2 years ago, and having more than decent options as back-up. In fact I just found the guy and we've agreed on terms, he's not really a "superstar" but he should be pretty good...

troza
01-12-14, 04:31 PM
Humm... curious about that guy.

If he comes, you still have Ricardo and Pena to keep you going. Ricardo had a great start for you.

About João Paiva... I guess that he isn't as good as people say he is in the original database (if you can look up for Licinio... :P I never used João Paiva but Licinio is a nice back-up and cheap) so... I guess that's the right decision.

RuiEsteves
01-12-14, 04:38 PM
@troza: thanks a lot!



About your players... it is strange that your third best DM C is in the bench but I guess that you have your reasons (I admit that I'm leaving Jorge Godoy - saviola regen - in the bench instead of Montenegro - I don't know whose regen is he... the original Montenegro and Claudio Lopez and 2 strong chances) just because Montenegre has jumping ability that Godoy doesn't... even though Godoy is better than him at almost everything (I can try to upload they stats and their comparison when I'm at home). Oh, and Montenegro was the Fifa's player of the year and the second in the other trophy for best in the world. So, from your test, it seems that he is lacking something.

Yes I have my reasons. In my tactic the central DMC is very defensive (an arrow pointing downwards) and almost acts like a 3rd DC, often used to man-mark the best opposition AMC. So for this guy I'm looking for great positioning, tackling, marking, strength, determination, bravery, teamwork, workrate... Luis Andrade was superb at it and Binho is very good. The other two DMC's are more complete players with creativity and passing skills, and that's exacty what Ednilson and Bruno Melo do. Luis Teixeira has exactly the same profile, so he's very good as left or right DMC but I've tried and he's not as effective in central DMC. Here's the problem and there's no solution (other than changing the tactic, which won't happen).

Also you're talking about regens, but I was wondering how in the world can people know who a guy popping up at 18yr-old is the regen of? knowing that attributes change all the time and vastly improve throughout a career. For instance if you scroll up to my Defenders-Right, my new recruit Tiago Miguel is a regen (under the spoiler section), but whose regen is it? can anyone tell??



Great season by pena with 34 years old. The best I did was having Cristiano Ronaldo with super lame stats being my best scorer (but he had the physical attributes to play as my striker that camps in the area, in the only season that I really needed to change my tactics) and Barreto (I would say that he is the legendary player from my run with 9 prizes as best of the world, 3 from FIFA, 6 of the others) being the Champion's league top scorer at 36, taking advantage of some injuries of the younger players... so, I would say that Pena might still do it next year. I would look for another striker but with the amount of games that you'll have playing in Europe he might still be a star in your team. And Figo also did great.

Wow I'm impressed, players in cm0102 remain better much older than they used to in cm3.98/99. Yes I am still counting both on Pena (34) and Figo (35) for next year, but as subs or squad rotation.



And Kaka... wow... great way to start. Half season and did as much as Ronaldo. I love your possibilities in the AM and DM positions.

Yeah I've really got plenty of depth at both positions now. Being able to pick between CR7, Kaka and Figo at AMC is not bad!



About the keeper in the Portugal squad... I never though that you needed determination as goalkeeper (but I keep 2 goalkeeper's always fit for playing whenever I can)... I always look for bravery (for the big games), Positioning, handling, agility and reflexes (As keeper's skills) and Strenght and jumping (cause I hate goalkeeper's that can't reach with the arms where the strikers reach with their head (unless they do a Maradona). Other things that I like is "desarme" (tackling in english?), speed and acceleration but I can't always find a keeper with all that unless at the start of the game). I know that you have a strong feeling... compare him to your players and see the stars at the goalkeeper position. That might help you to decide on who to take.

Well determination is important for Tito more or less in any position but actually you're right, maybe I should relax the rule a little for the GK, maybe it's not so important. Anyway I called Vitor Oliveira back in the squad recently, let's see if Tito changes his mind on him for the Seleção.



Also... why won't you allow one player (just one) outside that group of nationalities? That could make things interesting.

Actually... I just have. The striker I just recruited holds 2 nationalities in the game both of which are European (non-Portuguese) - but actually in real life he was born African, and I don't know why the game does not recognize that. So I've bent the rules only slighty and he's been recruited! let's see if anyone guesses right...



About your youngsters... try to give them some minutes in some super easy cup games. I enjoy when I'm able to give at least one game to everyone in my squad (even when they enter in the game at the 90 minute mark to waste time :P)

I'm trying... but I have many (too many actually, 7 Academy players) and can't play them all. It's a pain not to have a Reserves team. So I've put them all out for loan... but no one is interested, which probably shows how poor that lot is! :-)

Baron Zbimg
01-12-14, 04:50 PM
The guessing game, nice ! So an african player with two european nationalities ?
Was one of the nationalities acquired during the game ?


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troza
01-12-14, 05:03 PM
@troza: thanks a lot!


You're the one captivating me with your story :)



Yes I have my reasons. In my tactic the central DMC is very defensive (an arrow pointing downwards) and almost acts like a 3rd DC, often used to man-mark the best opposition AMC. So for this guy I'm looking for great positioning, tackling, marking, strength, determination, bravery, teamwork, workrate... Luis Andrade was superb at it and Binho is very decent. The other two DMC's are more complete players with more creativity and passing skills, and that's exacty what Ednilson and Bruno Melo do. Luis Teixeira has exactly the same profile, so he's very good as left or right DMC but I've tried and not as effective in central DMC. Here's the problem and there's no solution (other than changing the tactic, which won't happen). Here's the background to all this.

I knew that about your tactic... I just didn't know exactly what you expected. I don't take work rate too much seriously as I've had players with a low work rare that were beasts on the field... the problem is some attitudes I would say... and their evolution through training.

And what is the problem of having 3 great players for 2 spots? That's the minimum to guaranteed a good season with so many games. I would say 4 is even better :P



Also you're talking about regens, but I was wondering how in the world can people know who a guy popping up at 18yr-old is the regen of? knowing that attributes change all the time and vastly improve throughout a career. For instance if you scroll up to my Defenders-Right, my new recruit Tiago Miguel is a regen (under the spoiler section), but whose regen is it? can anyone tell??

I've read that they keep the nationality (if it is from a strong country), some of their attributes and the position. That's why I'm guessing about my Montenegro and if you see Jorge Godoy's stats at 16 years old at River Plate you just know that he is the regen of saviola. He has to be. I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure that, this time, there is no mistake.

About the regen of Barreto (that is a regen of someone): the guy appeared in the original club of Barreto (Flamento) in the day (or the day after) Barreto retired... so, it has to be him... but he is lame.

About the Beckham regen that I have... what english player is M RC with 20 at passing, crossing, free-kicks, decisions and 17 at influence? It does sound like Beckham :P



Wow I'm impressed, players in cm0102 remain better much older than they used to in cm3.98/99. Yes I am still counting both on Pena (34) and Figo (35) for next year, but as subs or squad rotation.

Well... Figo will start dropping but I admit that only a couple of players actually hold their ground after 32 in my team. I guess that some goalkeeper's, Zahovic (the first veteran star), Saviola (he was actually one of the best players in the world and the best in the portuguese league the year he played for me), Robben and Barreto did something really good. Figo, Rui Costa, Ortega (one guy that had 20 at passing and I was needing that and he was free at 34), Gallo... those are some of them that I remember playing at an older age and contributing with something good. I didn't play enough CM 3 to know exactly how that went... but I always sold them when they got to 30 and I still try to do that. Keep the team new and hungry for more.



Yeah I've really got plenty of depth at both positions now. Being able to pick between CR7, Kaka and Figo at AMC is not bad!

I would say that you still have other nice players there :)



Well determination is important for Tito more or less in any position but actually you're right, maybe I should relax the rule a little for the GK, maybe it's not so important. Anyway I called Vitor Oliveira back in the squad recently, let's see if Tito changes his mind on him for the Seleção.

Just don't forget to tell me how it goes. I would say that the game, at the beginning has great great players and the regens aren't usually as good as the originals... so, it is something that I needed to do was to lower the minimum stats of a player for him to be good for me as I didn't always had players that I liked... mainly at GK. So... I would say: try it. Although I don't like to change my national team that much... I make a team and, unless a superstar is discovered, I like to take the group from the first game of the qualifying rounds to the real competition.



Actually... I just have. The striker I just recruited hold 2 nationalities in the game both of which are European (non-Portuguese) - but actually in real life he was born African, and I don't know why the game does not recognize that. So I've bent the rules only slighty and he's been recruited! let's see if anyone guesses right...

I can't remember anyone that matches that. I would say that he must be french as one of the nationalities... but the game does have some hidden gems... was he a beast in the original database?



I'm trying... but I have many (too many actually, 7 Academy players) and can't play them all. It's a pain not to have a Reserves team. So I've put them al out for loan... but no one is interested, which probably shows how crap that lot is! :-)
Not really... the players have no reputation... I've had some players on loan, then I've used them for a season and then they got back into loan and some teams won't even ask for them. And the youngsters? I've had some good ones that went on load but I've had many more that didn't...

That is one thing that isn't that good about CM01/02. I've seen teams struggle a lot and they don't even try to get some of my players (sometimes they are internationals for the U21 squad and, sometimes, the B squad) when I usually have some. I agree that some aren't just worth it.

So... you can always use some of them as the substitution you need to kill time (I advice for you to use someone in an attacking position) or use them in the cup against those teams of the second division B to give your main players a rest... but only if you feel confident that you still have the better team on the field. Don't take those games that lightly or you'll end up with a stupid loss.

RuiEsteves
01-12-14, 05:05 PM
The guessing game, nice ! So an african player with two european nationalities ?
Was one of the nationalities acquired during the game ?

I would tend to think so, since his second nationality is from the country I just recruited him from and it's also in that country that he starts the game in 2001. As for his first nationality, he's already capped 40+ times with them and has scored a lot of goals under that national shirt...

troza
01-12-14, 05:06 PM
I will admit that I haven't seen a player get a third nationality in the game... But I don't know how things work outside the original version of the game :P

RuiEsteves
01-12-14, 05:09 PM
@troza: no French is not one of his 2 nationalities... :-)

RuiEsteves
01-12-14, 05:10 PM
I will admit that I haven't seen a player get a third nationality in the game... But I don't know how things work outside the original version of the game :P
No I am fairly sure that at the beginning of the game he has only one nationality (and the game did not give him the nationality from his African country of origin, don't know for which reason) and then he has acquired his 2nd European nationality after playing so many years in that country. He's got a surname which is typically african, also.

Oh and I have no clue if he was a beast in unpatched ODB since I have never played the game before.

Baron Zbimg
01-12-14, 05:20 PM
My brain can't seem to find a name. Only MPenza but I don't think he ever gets German nationality, and I also think he's Belgium born ... So no idea really


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RuiEsteves
01-12-14, 05:22 PM
And what is the problem of having 3 great players for 2 spots? That's the minimum to guaranteed a good season with so many games. I would say 4 is even better :P

Oh I agree that's not a problem and Teixeira seems content about this! I've also got Bosingwa as back-up, my new recruit Rodolfo (regen) and all the much younger guys...



About the regen of Barreto (that is a regen of someone): the guy appeared in the original club of Barreto (Flamento) in the day (or the day after) Barreto retired... so, it has to be him... but he is lame.

Barreto? he's a real player? as for Licinio I've just checked on him and he's interesting... 25yr-old already, has not achieved much in his career.



Well... Figo will start dropping but I admit that only a couple of players actually hold their ground after 32 in my team. I guess that some goalkeeper's, Zahovic (the first veteran star), Saviola (he was actually one of the best players in the world and the best in the portuguese league the year he played for me), Robben and Barreto did something really good. Figo, Rui Costa, Ortega (one guy that had 20 at passing and I was needing that and he was free at 34), Gallo... those are some of them that I remember playing at an older age and contributing with something good. I didn't play enough CM 3 to know exactly how that went... but I always sold them when they got to 30 and I still try to do that. Keep the team new and hungry for more.

I seem to remember that players, especially attacking players, were usually already very poor or even retired after the age of 33/34... in my current game Rui Costa has just retired (came as a surprise, he was a starter for Benfica last year and had a solid season).



I would say that you still have other nice players there :)

I do, but who do you have in mind specifically?



So... you can always use some of them as the substitution you need to kill time (I advice for you to use someone in an attacking position) or use them in the cup against those teams of the second division B to give your main players a rest... but only if you feel confident that you still have the better team on the field. Don't take those games that lightly or you'll end up with a stupid loss.

Yes, agree on all that.

Baron Zbimg
01-12-14, 05:24 PM
I seem to remember that players, especially attacking players, were usually already very poor or even retired after the age of 33/34... in my current game Rui Costa has just retired (came as a surprise, he was a starter for Benfica last year and had a solid season).



That means his regen is waiting for you somewhere ... :)


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RuiEsteves
01-12-14, 05:25 PM
My brain can't seem to find a name. Only MPenza but I don't think he ever gets German nationality, and I also think he's Belgium born ... So no idea really

Mpenza (Emile? the brother who plays in Germany anyway) could have been a candidate (and he's really good) since in real life his is from Zaire/Belgium but in the game he only has the Belgian nationality. But it's not him.

The second nationality of the player we are talking about is that country in which you advised Tito in the interview, that he should travel and scout for players...

RuiEsteves
01-12-14, 05:26 PM
That means his regen is waiting for you somewhere ... :)

Really? he pops up when? right now? and where? will he be Portuguese?? I need this guy...!

Baron Zbimg
01-12-14, 05:26 PM
Zizi Roberts ? Peter Ofori-quaye ? Olisadebe ? Come on tell me it's one of them :)


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Baron Zbimg
01-12-14, 05:27 PM
Really? he pops up when? right now? and where? will he be Portuguese?? I need this guy...!

He's definitely portuguese and can be absolutely anywhere in Portugal. Good luck :)


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RuiEsteves
01-12-14, 05:45 PM
Zizi Roberts ? Peter Ofori-quaye ? Olisadebe ? Come on tell me it's one of them :)

By Jove, you're damn good it's the second time you guess after Kaka. Roberts was on the short-list but he was in German 3rd Division with Karlsruhe and I was not entirely sure about him. Ofori-Quaye I thought was not quite good enough on paper. So please tell me Emmanuel Olisadebe is a beast in the game! he's currently looking for a house near Setubal with my scout Pedro Figueiredo to help him out (yes, he does everything at our club).

RuiEsteves
01-12-14, 05:52 PM
He's definitely portuguese and can be absolutely anywhere in Portugal. Good luck :)

can't find him in the <21yr free POR players in the main search. I've immediately dispatched both my scouts to turn upside down every junior camp in the country! will he be an AMC? do they pop-up free or in a club already? can he pop-up as one of my Academy players? that would be nice...

troza
01-12-14, 05:52 PM
Oh I agree that's not a problem and Teixeira seems content about this! I've also got Bosingwa as back-up, my new recruit Rodolfo (regen) and all the much younger guys...


When talking about your club, don't say regen... it just takes the joy about the history. :P



Barreto? he's a real player? as for Licinio I've just checked on him and he's interesting... 25yr-old already, has not achieved much in his career.

Of course not. I bought him in 2021 if I'm not mistaken. Great great player. He is still my most expensive player ever. And a legendary one :)

Licínio is more or less good. I would use him as a backup. If you need someone to use instead of João Paiva. He might be good but he isn't that good. Although, in my game, he ended up as a great coach (stats and had some career highlights like training the Portuguese national team)



I seem to remember that players, especially attacking players, were usually already very poor or even retired after the age of 33/34... in my current game Rui Costa has just retired (came as a surprise, he was a starter for Benfica last year and had a solid season).

It happens. Zahovic made the team of the year, helped me to get my first league title and retired right away.



I do, but who do you have in mind specifically?

Mendonça was a beast in the original game... and Moreira wasn't bad (if it is the Moreira I'm thinking of). I guess that you don't have André Paralta or João Paralta in your game... those guys would be great for that tactic :P

Lourenço from Sporting can also be a good back-up. Hugo Leal should be good in that game... about africans, I guess that Agahowa (or whatever) isn't the bomb he is in the original game...

But search for Bruno of Grémio. The guy is a beast in the original database (also on CM 00/01, if I'm not mistaken).



He's definitely portuguese and can be absolutely anywhere in Portugal. Good luck :)


Indeed. He can be in a club of somewhere else. I do believe that I have his second (or third) regen appear as a youngster in my club (Bruno Guerreiro, although he has done more for me than Rui Costa did)

But don't make the game about that. Just look for crazy good youngsters. I hate the fact that I know now that some of them are regens. It makes it too easy to know what players you should look for because there are some players with amazing stats that just don't play well (I've found many defenders like that but not only defenders)... Just keep looking. I do enjoy discovering the next big thing and not think about the original player. I actually found Godoy (the Saviola regen) on my search in the U21 squads (as well as Montenegro) and others as they do well in the under divisions or they are in a club that doesn't use them. But I've found many players that I don't know and I have no idea who is the original version.

And brazilians that are F LC... I had Barreto and Artur Torres at the same time. I would say that one of them is the regen of Ronaldinho but I know that there were at least 2 more that could be... :P


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By Jove, you're damn good it's the second time you guess after Kaka. Roberts was on the short-list but he was in German 3rd Division with Karlsruhe and I was not entirely sure about him. Ofori-Quaye I thought was not quite good enough on paper. So please tell me Emmanuel Olisadebe is a beast in the game! he's currently looking for a house near Setubal with my scout Pedro Figueiredo to help him out (yes, he does everything at our club).

In the original version, he is!!


can't find him in the <21yr free POR players in the main search. I've immediately dispatched both my scouts to turn upside down every junior camp in the country! will he be an AMC? do they pop-up free or in a club already? can he pop-up as one of my Academy players? that would be nice...

He might appear as a junior. He will be AMC, that's for sure. He can also be in a club. Just wait some weeks. If you don't get a junior AMC, try to look for him in every club... I would start with Benfica and Fafe as I've seen regens appear in the first club of their original version. But if not, just make your scouts look for every youngster that you find in the portuguese teams :P

RuiEsteves
01-12-14, 06:12 PM
Mendonça was a beast in the original game... and Moreira wasn't bad (if it is the Moreira I'm thinking of). I guess that you don't have André Paralta or João Paralta in your game... those guys would be great for that tactic :P

I just checked for the Peralta's: they're both in the game, but have poor attributes. Yeah Mendonça and Almani Moreira are both very good players. The latter (29yr-old) has one year left on his contract and won't renew, I will probably transfer him out.



Lourenço from Sporting can also be a good back-up. Hugo Leal should be good in that game... about africans, I guess that Agahowa (or whatever) isn't the bomb he is in the original game...

Lourenço is seriously good, I already gave him 3 caps for Portugal as sub to Nuno Gomes. He was on my short-list for striker but had just joined Sporting CP so I thought they would never let me have him (although he does not play much with only 1 striker and that spot is taken by Niculae). Hugo Leal is quite average in my game, but Agahowa is a beast (but alreadu earning £50k/w at Rangers).



But search for Bruno of Grémio. The guy is a beast in the original database (also on CM 00/01, if I'm not mistaken).

He's been on my short-list for a while, but already out of range salary-wise (my biggest wage is £11k/w to Kaka).



In the original version, he is!!

ah, great! I will post a screenshot later.



He might appear as a junior. He will be AMC, that's for sure. He can also be in a club. Just wait some weeks. If you don't get a junior AMC, try to look for him in every club... I would start with Benfica and Fafe as I've seen regens appear in the first club of their original version. But if not, just make your scouts look for every youngster that you find in the portuguese teams :P

did not find him at Fafe, nor Benfica (but found another gem at Benfica B...). In fact the Golden Generation will retire in the next few years so there should be an incredible Portuguese crop popping up ;-)

Baron Zbimg
01-12-14, 06:14 PM
Olisadebe is very good in the ODB but I haven't played 3.68 much so I can't say :)


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troza
01-12-14, 06:40 PM
Just seach this forum for the regen rules. I don't know them and I don't care that much about them.

By the way, I remember now... I guess that I have the second regen of Harry Kewell... Australian AM/F LC... I had Robert Maguire and now I have Jason Wallace or whatever his name is... lol.

The first one was a beast... I guess that he was better than the second. But I'm not sure... one of my scouts (Barreto) just recomended him to me... if not, I wouldn't have found him :P

RuiEsteves
02-12-14, 12:55 AM
June 6 is a weird date to hold the last friendly game of the season with most players being called back from their vacation spot. Nevertheless this is an important test at home for Tito, because Portugal play Croatia who are a nation of equivalent footballing strength these days and in exactly one year the coach hopes to be in the Euro competition. For once, Forbs has a full squad to pick from and he goes with :


Quim

Nélson Veiga.............................Litos........... ...................Rui Marques..........................Mario Silva

Bruno Melo (c).................Petit.......................Ed nilson


Cr.Ronaldo..............................Boa Morte

Nuno Gomes

(Subs: J.Moreira, Pedro Henriques, Rui Oscar, L.Filipe, Fernando Meira, Hugo Viana, Semedo, Lourenço, Hélder Postiga)

>June.6, 2007 / Friendly – PORTUGAL v Croatia : 1-0 / Jamor, Lisboa / goal: Nuno Gomes / assist: Bruno Melo / MoM: Bruno Melo
It’s a balanced game of football on this pleasant sunny day in Lisboa, played in good spirit and plenty of talent on either side. Croatians are dangerous and keeper Quim does very well and preserves a clean sheet. On the 31’, captain Bruno Melo lights the sparkle once again as he finds the head of Nuno Gomes for the sole goal of the match. Ednilson and Cr.Ronaldo hit the woordwork but Portuguese defense is kept busy, with CB Manuel Rui Marques having a landmark performance.

It’s a re-assuring victory for Tito over a very good Croatian side. He is aware that Portugal are not world-class anymore, but if they can win that sort of match and become more and more settled in their new tactic then there is hope for the key Qualifying games in September vs Norway and Belarus.

troza
02-12-14, 09:51 AM
Nice win to end the season (although I don't count that game as the last of the season as I usually don't care that much about national team games).

Just one question: you're playing with Petit... is he better than Fernando Meira in the game in the defensive stats? I'm asking cause I really don't know... Meira had some games where he was a beast.

By the way... playing with Litos makes me remember CM3... are you using Beto from Sporting or is he already too old? And how good is antónio Semedo?

RuiEsteves
02-12-14, 03:20 PM
Just one question: you're playing with Petit... is he better than Fernando Meira in the game in the defensive stats? I'm asking cause I really don't know... Meira had some games where he was a beast.
Yes definitely Petit in terms of defensive attributes is clearly better than Fernando Meira; on more midfield-type attributes they are fairly close. In any case with both of them + Bruno Melo + Ednilson, I have 4 great DMC's for 3 positions.



By the way... playing with Litos makes me remember CM3... are you using Beto from Sporting or is he already too old? And how good is antónio Semedo?

Litos is 33yr-old, but still quite the deal defensively (~16's in attributes). Beto is younger (31) but more average in defensive skills (~14's) so I usually take him in the squad but have not played him yet. Both are with Sporting but Beto is quite often benched or used (weirdly) as DR.

Antonio Semedo plays for Boavista and is one of the best AMC's in the Liga. He's pushing hard for a spot of the Seleção, I always take him in the squad and have used him as a sub already. Another player in similar situation is Lourenço, although much younger. I am counting on both of them as players such as Dani or Edgar are older now and not as sharp as they used to at AMC. Also I am quite disappointed about Luis Boa Morte, looks great on paper but has only delivered average/good performance for Portugal in the last year. He is a starter for Valencia though. But basically Tito has not made up his mind of the 2 AMC's for Portugal, there's a lot of competition and no player really above the rest. Another strong contender is Hugo Viana.

Baron Zbimg
02-12-14, 03:34 PM
Boa Morte is better as a winger than as a playmaker. How are Hugo Leal and Paulo Costa ? Another player who often turn out very good on the ODB is China from Leixoes, but he's a MC.


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troza
02-12-14, 04:57 PM
Lourenço, Cristiano Ronaldo, Hugo Viana and António Semedo seem like the top4 players for that position for you to use at the national team :P Although, I didn't like hugo viana that much in the original database.

RuiEsteves
02-12-14, 05:41 PM
Boa Morte is better as a winger than as a playmaker. How are Hugo Leal and Paulo Costa ? Another player who often turn out very good on the ODB is China from Leixoes, but he's a MC.

Thanks for the tip on Boa Morte. The 3 other players you mention are good to average, but could not pretend for a starting slot for Os Guerreiros.

@troza: yeah bases are well covered at AMC, plenty of option.

RuiEsteves
02-12-14, 05:54 PM
During the interseason the contracts of Taribo West, Luis Figo, Pena and Eric Matoukou were all extended. 3rd keeper Paulo Sérgio on the other hand, decides to retire.

Tito was now firmly set on recruiting a top-level striker. He first called-up Zé, a well-known agent working with many Benfica players. Zé had been trying to sell his protégé to Tito for years now. Benfica wanted close to £10m and a determined Forbs was ready to follow suit but then :


http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/news-010707_zpsdbeeeaf9.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/news-010707_zpsdbeeeaf9.png.html)

All these years of lobbying by Zé, only to find out that Mantorras had no intention of leaving the Lisboa giants... what a waste of time! Tito threw Zé out of his office.

The old coach turned towards African players and soon came up with a short-list: Beli Moumouni Dagano, Aziza Makukula, Zizi Roberts and... in the end:


http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/Olisadebe-070707_zpsa91e6a61.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/Olisadebe-070707_zpsa91e6a61.png.html)

The strong Polish/Nigerian striker had an unprotected contract from Panathinaikos so Setubal "only" had £1.2m to pay in compensation to the Greek club. Olisadebe was on a high wage at £9k/w, but Forbs expected to have a quick return on investment given the impressive skills of the striker. Physically he was an absolute beast.

troza
02-12-14, 06:04 PM
Nice :) You got yourself a great star. This leads me to ask: why renew with Pena? :P

I can see you using him to give some rest to your star. Get him in the game whenever you feel that you have the game won (although, I would believe that you would need a new goalkeeper for that!) to keep your new star player rested all season long.

RuiEsteves
02-12-14, 06:11 PM
The defense had been a little shaky last season. Tito had Bras and Bocas but there was a player he had been wanting to recruit for a while, he was playing for Tottenham and was only 18! Luis Filipe already had all the attributes of a future great of the game. The London side was not easy to convince and Vitoria had to cough up £3.1m, an astronomous sum for such a young defender yet one which the club could afford (although it broke Setubal's record of biggest transfer-fee ever). He signed on a £3.9k/w wage and Forbs now had the privilege to coach him both in club and country...


http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/Filipe-090707_zpsd6b15909.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/Filipe-090707_zpsd6b15909.png.html)

There was yet another Academy player (the 6th in 3 years!) to come through the ranks: 16yr-old AMC Paulo Antunes. Although not particularly impressive, he signed his first pro contract.

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/Antunes-280707_zps2da7192b.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/Antunes-280707_zps2da7192b.png.html)

Kingsley
02-12-14, 06:12 PM
Great signing there in Olly ! Zizi Roberts. That's a blast from the past.

I guess the lad from Spurs is on 3.9k p/w. Otherwise that will have seriously blown your wage structure ! Any idea who he's a regen of ?

RuiEsteves
02-12-14, 06:15 PM
Nice :) You got yourself a great star. This leads me to ask: why renew with Pena? :P

I can see you using him to give some rest to your star. Get him in the game whenever you feel that you have the game won (although, I would believe that you would need a new goalkeeper for that!) to keep your new star player rested all season long.
That's one reason indeed (although Ricardo could have played that role pretty well also). The other is that I always renew the contracts of players who have been good servants of the club. In the case of Pena he is in the legends category so I won't let him go! (unless he asks, of course).

RuiEsteves
02-12-14, 06:19 PM
I guess the lad from Spurs is on 3.9k p/w. Otherwise that will have seriously blown your wage structure ! Any idea who he's a regen of ?
yeah £3.9m/w, not even Ronaldo or Messi make that kind of money in RL... I corrected the typo!

About Luis Filipe: since I don't know the game I was going to ask the same question! the only name of a retired Portuguese defender of that kind of caliber that comes to mind is Fernando Couto..? he's good ain't he? he was a starter at Spurs almost from day one, at the age of 17!

troza
02-12-14, 06:36 PM
Still, that youngster has some stats that might turn him good (determination, workrate...). Do you have the best training facilities that there are in the game? If so, just keep that guy with you...

It is not linear but I've seem players start with that kind of stars and becoming good players.

Baron Zbimg
02-12-14, 07:32 PM
Looks like Fernando Couto indeed. I don't see who else he could be, Jorge Andrade maybe ? Olisadebe as always looking like a beast.

Kingsley
02-12-14, 07:55 PM
Balance = 12 and Right footed (not Right Only). Almost certainly Fernando Couto.

kuy
02-12-14, 07:58 PM
Couple of good signings there, who will your first-choice central defensive pairing be now? Will Filipe go straight into the team or will he have to fight for his place? Does this mean that you'll be selling one of the other centre-halves?

So many questions!

Last one: Since you said that you had a full squad to choose from, was that Portugal team your best XI? Where do you think the biggest weakness in the national team lies?

RuiEsteves
02-12-14, 11:49 PM
Do you have the best training facilities that there are in the game? If so, just keep that guy with you...

Yes, best training facilities possible. I am keeping all Academy players at the club for a while in any case.


Looks like Fernando Couto indeed. I don't see who else he could be, Jorge Andrade maybe ?
Jorge Andrade is still in the game (not that old btw, ~30).


Balance = 12 and Right footed (not Right Only). Almost certainly Fernando Couto.
thanks!

RuiEsteves
03-12-14, 06:11 AM
Couple of good signings there, who will your first-choice central defensive pairing be now? Will Filipe go straight into the team or will he have to fight for his place? Does this mean that you'll be selling one of the other centre-halves?

DC will be between Bras, Bocas and Luis Filipe - the latter will be given play-time for sure, but will have to prove Tito he is fully worthy of the starting slot. In fact all 3 players will also be competing to get into the Seleção squad... as a result players such as Diop, Matoukou will have less play-time and may depart; West and Lassissi will be less affected because of their ability to also cover the flanks.



Last one: Since you said that you had a full squad to choose from, was that Portugal team your best XI? Where do you think the biggest weakness in the national team lies?

Yes it was close to our best XI, but there is severe competition at almost each position except DMC's (Ednilson, Petit, Bruno Melo are the trio of choice) and SC (Nuno Gomes still rocks). The rest is open game. I would not say we have "weaknesses" per se, but Portugal lacks world-class players at GK and both Right and Left FB, there's not much that can be done in that respect. At DC and AMC, there's no superstar but we have depth and quality in the ranks.

Hope that answers your questions, and don't hesitate to throw in more ;-)

RuiEsteves
03-12-14, 06:13 AM
This lad was selected with the U21 and just popped up at Belenenses at the age of 17. AMC, either-footed, 20 in Flair, Set Pieces, Teamwork and Technique : can anyone confirm if he may be Rui Costa's regen?

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/Vidal-180807_zps3a7583f6.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/Vidal-180807_zps3a7583f6.png.html)

I can live with 7 in Determination although it is a shame; 4 in Jumping is alright for a player likely to take all set pieces; however 3 in Stamina is terrible...

Kingsley
03-12-14, 09:05 AM
Balance and Bravery both match the original Rui Costa in my dot68 save. He is also 2 footed, so it is a fair chance that this is him. Stamina of 3 makes him unplayable though.

troza
03-12-14, 09:41 AM
He might improve that, no?

pieriedaczi
03-12-14, 10:41 AM
sorry, what is the name of the font you use in the game?

RuiEsteves
03-12-14, 04:27 PM
sorry, what is the name of the font you use in the game?
sorry mate, it's a custom font I found on my (work) laptop and it bears the name of my company so I cannot share it...

RuiEsteves
03-12-14, 04:49 PM
Tito needed a 3rd keeper in any case... the choices for a top-level Portuguese GK were limited, with basically 2 candidates: (i) Vitor Oliveira but being a starter at Benfica and wanting to move to a bigger club (!), he was unlikely to join, and (ii) José Moreira, GK at Campomaiorense but was he really better than Pinheiro or Tabuas? in the end, Forbs opted for a young keeper from Maritimo for £200k transfer-fee. Properly trained, Ricardo Neves could maybe develop into something interesting (although with a Jumping of 1...).

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/Neves-170807_zpsfcfe3678.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/Neves-170807_zpsfcfe3678.png.html)


But the main event for the club over the summer had been the departure of a famous figure: Almani Moreira. At 29yr-old he had only 1yr left on his contract and, maybe tired of not starting enough games, had refused to extend it. Tito decided to put him on transfer-list and the bids immediately poured in: FC Porto and Sporting CP (£2.5m), Toulouse FC, Royal Antwerp and... FC Barcelona! in the end he signed in the Catalan city for £2m, but would he often make it on the match sheet over there? we certainly hope so and wish him all the best in Spain.

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/Moreira-200707_zpse0d699ed.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/Moreira-200707_zpse0d699ed.png.html)

With 146 games - 36 goa, 25 ass, 10 MoM - Moreira has been a great asset at AMC over the 4 seasons he enjoyed at Setubal. He had been particularly impressive during his 2nd season in 2004/05, the year Vitoria first became Champions, averaging at 7.81 which remains to this day the best ever performance by an AMC for the club. As summarized above in his achievements, he got a lion's share of Setubal's recent successes as he won 2x Ligas + 3x Cups + 2x Supercups = 7 trophies in 4 years for him!

troza
03-12-14, 05:21 PM
That was a right decision. He was already 29 years old... you need young blood in there :P

A keeper with Jumping 1 so soon in the game? That's something that I would never do. And a keeper wanting to go to a bigger club in Benfica? You're already bigger than Benfica... you're in the champion's league... :P

Kingsley
03-12-14, 10:27 PM
Better to get something for Moreira than let him leave for nothing. It also allowed you some say in where he went and atleast he is not with direct opponents. Neves is only 3rd choice, so you can afford to take a risk. He might develop into something, but it is not a huge loss if he doesn't.

RuiEsteves
03-12-14, 10:55 PM
To be honest we only realized of Neves' shortfall during his first training session when on a cross kick, Olisadebe towered several feet above him to pound it into the nets! even the shortest of our players jumped higher than our new keeper... Tito later lambasted his scouts for not realizing this earlier and hoped he would not have to field his 3rd keeper this season!

As for Moreira yes The Eejit, you're right, we were happy to see he did not go on to play for one of our rivals, even if we coud have made £500k more from them in the process... his signing to Barcelona however, came as a complete surprise! @troza: and if you're thinking about Rui Costa's regen as "younger blood"... that 3 in Stamina of his, I did spot it in advance! ;-)

troza
03-12-14, 11:57 PM
I was wondering if we will develop that 3 into a 10... that would be enough to make him useful.

About Moreira... I said you did the right thing but it amazes me how did he went to the bench after that great season in 04/05? I guess that Figo was the reason. But, even so... he had 14 games, 7 goals and 7 assists... man... that guy was just great!

RuiEsteves
04-12-14, 12:38 AM
About Moreira... I said you did the right thing but it amazes me how did he went to the bench after that great season in 04/05? I guess that Figo was the reason. But, even so... he had 14 games, 7 goals and 7 assists... man... that guy was just great!
Yes you are right Figo was the reason and if you remember, Cristiano Ronaldo had announced his intention to leave in July 05 and this is why Tito decided to recruit Luis Figo... within a few weeks, CR7 changed his mind and so the "victim" was Moreira. And the following year, Kaka arrived! However (this is one display glitch of the game), in 05/06 Moreira played 14(32) games (ie 46 appearances in total, meaning he took part in almost all our games) and in 06/07 he played 12(10), which puts his stats a little more into perspective. Also what played a little against Moreira was his rather disappointing first season, somehow it was always inside Tito's mind somewhere. But he's a great finisher and I see he has already came on from the bench on a friendly game for Barça!

Mendonça has a very similar profile so I don't think we will suffer much from his departure, and Figo, Felipe Oliveira but also Marajo offer additional quality depth at AMC.

troza
04-12-14, 09:37 AM
Of course you won't feel nothing with his departure. He was a good player but I guess that you're better now. Ronaldo and Kaka will take the majority of the games, Mendonça, Filipe Oliveira and Marajo will be able to be a good back up force and I guess that Figo will only be used in the last 30 minutes of his matches :P

RuiEsteves
04-12-14, 11:04 PM
Why is it that every summer the same problem occurs? the squad is late in its training program and the players only return to fitness mid-August, meaning that the team is severely handicaped for any game played earlier in the month. Luckily the draw for the Champions League Qualification Round is very favourable as Vitoria face San Marino minnows Cailungo.

> Aug.8, 2007 / Champions League (Qual. Rnd, leg.1) – Cailungo v Vitoria Setubal : 0-2 / goals: Mendonça (2, pen) / assist: Bosingwa / MoM: Mendonça
A mixed team starts the match with the 1st ever appearance for Emmanuel Olisadebe and new Academy teenager Paulo Antunes. Two early penalties by Mendonça seal an otherwise lame game: the job is done..


3 days later is the first clash of the season for the Supercup with rivals and reigning Champions Sporting CP. They have once again been very active on the market, recruiting 34yr-old Robert Pires and Brazilian international striker Didi to challenge Marius Niculae, but their major achievement has been their £7m transfer from Real Madrid of international superstar David Beckham who remains even at 32-yr old, one of the world’s best. What a great publicity for the Primeira Liga!

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/Beckham-010707_zps02f62b58.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/Beckham-010707_zps02f62b58.png.html)
Players are still not fit (~85%) and Forbs cannot quite field his best XI for this cup final. He is fuming.

> Aug.11, 2007 / Supercup – Sporting CP v Vitoria Setubal : 2-1 / goal: Kaka / MoM: Bruno Melo
Sporting start better and Hugo Pinheiro is kept busy from the start; he cannot avoid a great goal by new recruit Didi on the 14’. Os Guerreiros immediately react with an inspired crossing by Kaka for Olisadebe’s header which beats Petr Cech… but smashes on the post. The score is drawn on 32’ as Kaka rushes forward after a steal and pounds in the nets (1-1). Despite all the efforts of skipper Bruno Melo, Vitoria lose steam into the 2nd half, clearly lacking fitness as Sporting get the best chances. They will convert one on the 83’ by Didi again and go on to win the Supercup..

The season starts with the loss of a trophy Setubal had been holding for 2 consecutive years. Not ideal, but there’s no time for second thoughts as in 6 days it’s the opener in the Liga with a trip to the Dragão!


It’s now 3 consecutive defeats v FC Porto who overcame Setubal on goal difference only to the Liga 2nd place last season. Their team remains very solid but unlike Sporting, without any notable interseason improvement. Tito still remembers fondly of his very 1st game in charge of Os Guerreiros back in August 2001 which ended up with a spectacular (2-4) win at the Dragão. He hopes his now fully fit side bounces back.

> Aug.17, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#1) – FC Porto v Vitoria Setubal : 0-2 / goals: Cr. Ronaldo, Figo / assist: Bruno Melo / MoM: Bruno Melo
The first 15’ are difficult as the hosts push early on, but Setubal’s defense looks very solid with Bras and young phenomenon Luis Filipe making his debut. Gradually the trend is reversed and Vitoria’s DMCs take control of the game and dominate. Keeper Fabio manages to preserve his goals from an ever-dangerous Olisadebe, until the 65’ when Bruno Melo finds Cr.Ronaldo in the area for a winning half-volley. FC Porto never look like they can get back into it and a determined Luis Figo who came on for Kaka, finds the nets for the killer blow (88’). What a convincing and deserved victory this has been!.

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/VS-Porto-170807_zps5042ec55.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/VS-Porto-170807_zps5042ec55.png.html)

You can’t really dream of a better start in the Liga and those 3pts may well be worth more than their face value at the end of the season. Forbs has surprised when he fielded 18-yr old Luis Filipe for his debut in such a key game, and the ex-Spurs player has impressed by his undeniable class. A pundit writes in his match report that “this young man has both the looks, touch on the ball and positioning skills of retired legend Fernando Couto – again another great recruit by Forbs who already granted him 2 caps last year for Portugal”. The following week at Bonfim training gound, Luis Filipe gets all the banter – “hey Couto! what’s with the haircut?”, “Fernando, here, tackle me if you can!”… Tito's assistant Rui Lopes is the first to coin the nickname which immediately catches, calling him “our small Couto” or COUTINHO. As it happens, it’s a nickname that will stay for the remainder of his career…

http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/Coutinho_zpsa9d68a7b.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/Coutinho_zpsa9d68a7b.png.html)


It’s now the first game of the season in Bonfim for what looks like a formality return leg. Forbs goes in with the reserves.

> Aug.22, 2007 / Champions League (Qual. Rnd, leg.2) – Vitoria Setubal v Cailungo : 2-0 / goals: Pena (2) / assists: Figo, Binho / MoM: Pena
The San Marinense have not managed a single shot at goal in both legs, as Pena pounds 2 superb volleys into the nets reminding his coach how valuable he still is at (soon) 34yr-old..

Setubal join Sporting CP and FC Porto in Phase 1, the draw of which is eagerly awaited everywhere in Europe… and this time, fortune smiles as Vitoria avoid all continental giants and are seeded with surpise Dutch vice-champions Heracles Almelo, Hungarian challengers Ferencvaros and Istanbul side of Galatasaray whom Os Guerreiros had thrashed (5-2 on aggregate) in the ¼ finals of the 2004 UEFA Cup.


http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/CCGroup-220807_zps803e55e5.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/CCGroup-220807_zps803e55e5.png.html)


> Aug.26, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#2) – Naval v Vitoria Setubal : 0-2 / goals: Olisadebe (2) / assists: Kaka, Ouedraogo / MoM: Olisadebe
Os Guerreiros waste no time as Olisadebe scores his 1st goal for his new club on 2’. They control the game with a good Ednilson in midfield, and finally get that 2nd goal with a double by Olisadebe on 79’. The day ends with a 2-weeks injury for Coutinho who is removed from the Seleção squad for the key September encounters..

The Supercup was lost but overall it’s been a solid month of August (4W, 1L) as Setubal already sit on top of the Liga after 2-away wins. It is now time for 2-weeks international break.

RuiEsteves
04-12-14, 11:32 PM
Terrible news: on the day the transfer market closes for the next 3.5 months, Taribo West does his cruciate on a rough tackle contest against Binho at training. We hope this will not be a career-ending injury for the Nigerian international who will be well into his 35th year when he returns. It’s also the most severe injury to any player under Tito at Setubal.


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That’s indeed a blow to the defense squad, leaving only Olembé and Ouedraogo on the left flank, and less depth at CB. More prosaicly, it’s also £8k/w going out the window for 11m (£352k net loss…).

RuiEsteves
05-12-14, 06:10 AM
It’s a critical week in the History of Portuguese football as the Seleção battles out with Belarus and Norway for direct qualifying and play-off spots in Group3. Scotland have had a disastrous campaign and are eliminated, but they could help Portugal if they don’t lose in Minsk.


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Norway were handsomely beaten (3-0) in Jamor in the 1st leg but this is a must win game for them and they do have a fearsome squad with the likes of Evensen, Riise, Heggem, Pedersen and Alieu. Tito replaces suspended Petit by Fernando Meira at central DMC, and choses Edgar ahead of Boa Morte to start the game.

>Sep.1, 2007 / EURO Qual. (Gr.3, #6) – Norway v PORTUGAL : 0-1 / goal: Boa Morte / assist: Nuno Gomes / MoM: Quim

1st half: it already feels like a wet autumn day in Oslo and the crowd cheers as the Scandinavians show their offensive spirit from the start, with winger Heggem having a chance on 5’. The Portuguese use their superial technical skills to control the ball and the hosts get tough as within 25’ they collect 4 YC’s and give away many free-kicks… and on one of them, Cr.Ronaldo finds the upright! From then on, red waves smash one after the other on the Portuguese defense: Heggem hits the post (37’), Quim parries a volley (44’) and Pedersen is inches from soring as his shot beats the keeper but shatters the crossbar (45’). Just before the whistle, Nuno Gomes pounds a dangerous header at goal but Portugal are very fortunate to be (0-0) as they walk to the dressing room for half-time.

2nd half: Portugal’s defense really looks shaky and for the first 20’ after the break, it takes a heroic performance by keeper Quim and an incredible last ditch tackle from Rui Marques to prevent an opener. At 65’, Alieu’s header is parried and on 75’ the 31-yr old keeper taps a volley from Andersen. Meanwhile in Minsk, Belarus lead (1-0). Guerreiro Paulo Teixeira replaces a limping Bruno Melo (getting his 1st ever cap) while Boa Morte comes in for a disappointing Edgar, and somewhere in the sky 2 miracles strike the earth. The first one is when on a counter-attack at 81’, Nuno Gomes is able to pass to Luis Boa Morte who converts a left-footed volley which petrifies Ulleval Stadion (0-1). The 2nd, 6’ later as Scotland equalize v Belarus. It’s been a very tough but landmark evening for the Seleção, with an incredibly positive outcome.

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There’s worry as Tito looks at the match stats and finds how utterly dominated his Seleção has been by an excellent Norwegian side. The old coach gives a pat in the back to Santa Clara’s keeper Quim who has now earned himself the starting slot without a doubt, after an amazing 8 saves (!!).


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Nevertheless Portugal are now at worst qualified for the play-offs, and a win v Belarus in Lisboa in 4 days will send them straight to the Euro in Switzerland! Petit is back for Fernando Meira and Boa Morte starts ahead of Edgar, the rest of team remaining unchanged. Since the defeat in Minsk (0-2), Tito knows how talentend this Belarusan side is; this really is the Group Final.

>Sep.5, 2007 / EURO Qual. (Gr.3, #7) – PORTUGAL v Belarus : 0-0 / MoM: Nuno Gomes

There is a lot of tension within a still unexperienced Portugal side as they know this is a key decider in front of their home crowd. The midfield has, for once, a poor game as they fail to set up their forwards with the exception of a dangerous header by Nuno Gomes at 15’. The Seleção relies on Cr.Ronaldo’s free-kicks, and he almost bangs one home before half-time. When they return, both Ednilson and Bruno Melo are limping after they picked knocks; things worsen as Belarus gradually become less defensive and Quim needs the tips of his fingers to divert a free-kick by Hleb at 59’. The defense is getting more and more nervous and it is the experienced Litos who commits a stupid foul 15’ before the end and is red-carded! a sense of panick spreads as the locals pick 2 more YC’s; the Slavs do get chances at goal and Jamor shivers until the end… both applauses of relief and boes of disappointment are heard in the stands as Portugal had an anti-climax today but preserve their chances.

After the very fortunate win in Oslo, this is not what Forbs was expecting from the Seleção who have not coped well with pressure. Once again Quim saved the day, Litos however has made nothing to secure his slot in the squad for the Euro – provided the Portuguese ever get there, and they will need a win in Baku to do so.

Kingsley
05-12-14, 09:02 AM
Terrible news about West. That is a long injury and maybe he has played his last game for you. With low fitness levels, the supercup is always going to be a lottery, but you bounced back with 2 good league wins. No disrespect to your boys, but I don't think I've ever seen such a weak Champions League group. Hopefully it means that some of the more familiar names are going to knock each other out early.

troza
05-12-14, 09:56 AM
Wow... things are interesting when talking about the national team: talking about being in a good position but still needing to win.

And the West injury... the others will step up.

I also have the conditioning problem every year. Playing the club world cup always in those conditions... that's why I try to get enough players to have 3 teams for that tournament whenever it is possible :P

kuy
05-12-14, 11:07 PM
That might be the most favourable Champions League draw I've ever seen! Gala will be tough but I reckon you can top the group, and as Eejit says it means some big clubs must have been drawn against each other elsewhere.

Like you said, those three points at the Dragao could be worth their weight in gold at the end of the season, but Sporting are looking ominously strong again this year...

Two good games from Quim for the national side there, looks like he's repaying your decision to give him the Number 1 jersey

RuiEsteves
06-12-14, 05:40 AM
No disrespect to your boys, but I don't think I've ever seen such a weak Champions League group. Hopefully it means that some of the more familiar names are going to knock each other out early.

That might be the most favourable Champions League draw I've ever seen! Gala will be tough but I reckon you can top the group, and as Eejit says it means some big clubs must have been drawn against each other elsewhere.

Stop mocking the gods of football will ye, t'is bad luck...



Two good games from Quim for the national side there, looks like he's repaying your decision to give him the Number 1 jersey

Yep. This is one of the most memorable contribution ever by a Portuguese keeper to a tournament's qualification.


Wow... things are interesting when talking about the national team: talking about being in a good position but still needing to win.

We have not been good. Should have lost to Norway and did nothing to win the decider v Belarus.



I also have the conditioning problem every year. Playing the club world cup always in those conditions... that's why I try to get enough players to have 3 teams for that tournament whenever it is possible :P

Is there really no way around this? will giving less vacation the players help in any way? this is annoying...

troza
06-12-14, 11:01 AM
I don't know if there is a way around that... but it is one of the reasons why it is so hard to play well in the clubs world cup... and I hate it.

I don't remember what I did in the past...

kuy
06-12-14, 11:17 AM
Is there really no way around this? will giving less vacation the players help in any way? this is annoying...

I usually put my players on intensive training as soon as the season ends, then about a month before the first match of the new season (look at the Schedule tab for any competitions that you might be involved in, like the Super Cup, so that you can see in advance when they'll be held), put them on very light training or none at all, and in that month play friendly games* approximately once every five to seven days. I usually find that by the end of the month they're all on 100% ready to start the new season.

*The lineup I put out in the friendlies varies - if I have a few new players in the first team (new signings or reserves I'm asking to make the step up) I'll try to play my new first XI in each friendly, in order to bed in the new guys. If I don't have new faces, I'll rotate a bit to try to give everyone a couple of games, particularly any players who are lacking match practice.

troza
06-12-14, 01:03 PM
Well... I don't do that but what I do usually works for the portuguese super cup (last friendly is always a week before the official match).

My only problem is with the club world cup: no matter what I do (and I don't do friendlies on those years), I always end up with the players on a bad condition.

And worst... the guys that are on the bench, always end up too tired to be good for the team rotation.

RuiEsteves
08-12-14, 05:56 AM
@kuy: thanks, that's interesting although counter-intuitive... I do the exact opposite ie 5 to 6 weeks vacation after season has ended, then 3 to 4 weeks intensive (fitness) training, then normal training and play maybe one friendly before season actually starts.

RuiEsteves
08-12-14, 06:21 AM
> Sep.9, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#3) – Vitoria Setubal v Farense : 3-0 / goals: Ednilson, Kaka, Cr.Ronaldo / assists: Cr.Ronaldo, Rodolfo, Bras / MoM: Cr.Ronaldo
The 1st Liga game of the season at Bonfim is comfortable as Ednilson (6’) and Kaka (10’) give Os Guerreiros an early lead, later confirmed by a 3rd goal from in-form Cr.Ronaldo..


The following players (Marco Tabuas, Nélson Veiga, Ednilson, Cr.Ronaldo, Pena, Lassissi) remember well the 2004 UEFA Cup quarter-final they played (1-1) at Ali Sami Yen, as Tito reminds them of how well they had then started the match putting pressure on the Turks.

> Sep.12, 2007 / Champions League (Phase.1, #1) – Galatasaray v Vitoria Setubal : 1-1 / goal: Cr.Ronaldo / assist: Olisadebe / MoM: Olisadebe
Os Guerreiros stick to the advice of their coach as they walk on the pitch, starting the game with great intentions. They dominate the first half-hour, until the temple of Turkish football erupts when Leider Precidao scores a superb free-kick (32’) on Galatasaray’s very 1st shot at goal. The Portuguese continue to push with skipper Bruno Melo setting up Cr.Ronaldo just before half-time but alas, his shot smashes the post! This does not deter Setubal who continue to dominate and play great football into the 2nd half, finally rewarded on the 85’ as Olisadebe works hard and crosses-in for the equalizer by Cr.Ronaldo..
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One point is the very least Vitoria deserved today as they utterly dominated the Turks. In the end still, a good way to start in this Group.


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> Sep.15, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#4) – Vitoria Setubal v Vit. Guimarães : 2-1 / goals: Olisadebe, Teixeira / assists: Mendonça, Olisadebe / MoM: Olisadebe
Forbs rotates his squad a little. Mendonça starts strong and sets Olisadebe for the opener (18’). Guimarães are dangerous for most of the game but in-form Olisadebe passes for Teixeira’s winner at the hour; the visitors only get a late consolation goal..


> Sep.18, 2007 / Champions League (Phase.1, #2) – Vitoria Setubal v Heracles Almelo : 3-1 / goals: Olisadebe, Kaka, Bruno Melo / assists: Rodolofo, Nélson Veiga, Mendonça / MoM: Bruno Melo
It’s a comfortable win against an average Dutch side with Bruno Melo once again the best Guerreiro. Olisadebe (2-weeks) and Cr.Ronaldo (3-weeks) pick injuries..


> Sep.22, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#5) – Vitoria Setubal v Infesta : 0-0 / MoM: Bruno Melo
With 16 shots 11 of which on target, an amazing Bruno Melo and a good game from Olembé, it’s a shame that Vitoria could not win the game. The attacking trio of Mendonça-Kaka-Pena has a lot to answer for. Nélson Veiga out for 2-weeks..


> Sep.25, 2007 / Champions League (Phase.1, #3) – Ferencvaros v Vitoria Setubal : 1-1 / goal: Pena
Again a game which Setubal utterly dominated but could not win, the Hungarians smashing an equalizer 4’ from the end. Binho had a poor game and Pinheiro is struggling right now.


It's been 3 draws in a raw against the side who have deprived Setubal of a 3rd Liga title last May. Marco Tabuas is in for Pinheiro, and Marajo starts.

> Sep.30, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#6) – Salgueiros v Vitoria Setubal : 1-2 / goals: Pena, Ricardo / assists: Marajo, Kaka
Os Guerreiros know it's a dangerous opponent today and the game will be balanced and spectacular, as usual v Salgueiros. It is the visitors who fire first when Marajo passes for a header by Pena (43'). The hosts will push hard behind striker Chonos in the beginning of the 2nd half, and as Marajo picks a 3-weeks injury it is Gilberto who volleys a much deserved equalizer (56'). But Vitoria do show a lot nerves in the last half-hour, with Marco Tabuas putting in a great performance between the sticks, Ednilson taking control in midfield and striker Ricardo who makes his first appearance this year, dribbling past the entire defense for a splendid winning goal.


It's been (4W, 3D) in 7 games within 21 days in September. The win at Salgueiros evens out the poor home draw v promoted Infesta and enables Setubal to remain top of the Primeira Liga, 1pt clear of Sporting CP who look again as their main rivals. In the Champions League it is a shame not to have secured at least one away win, but Setubal have dominated each of their opponents in the Group and still have their fate in hands to go through to the next phase.

Tito now turns to his last Euro Qualifications game in Baku, knowing that only a win will secure a trip to Switzerland in June 08.

Baron Zbimg
08-12-14, 09:08 AM
Olisadebe settling in nicely, hopefully the injury isn't a sign of things to come ... Bruno Melo once again amazing ....

troza
08-12-14, 10:13 AM
If you're attacking that much and you don't score, just give your team some intensive training in shooting for 2 weeks :P

kuy
08-12-14, 01:12 PM
Sounds like a lot of injuries, hopefully your squad is deep enough to cope!

RuiEsteves
15-12-14, 10:13 PM
@Baron: Olisadebe is world-class and has indeed made an impact from day one. As for Bruno Melo he's on a different planet altogether.

@kuy: depth we have, but not as good quality as the starters obviously! some points were dropped...

RuiEsteves
15-12-14, 10:37 PM
One win away in Baku and Portugal are through. Azerbaijan are a weak side, having lost all of their 7 games so far. Between suspensions and injuries Tito must do without several usual starters: Nélson Veiga, Litos, Rui Marques and Cr. Ronaldo. Paulo Ferreira and Guerreiro Bras get they first ever cap as the coach fields :


Quim

Paulo Ferreira...........................Coutinho....... .......................Bras....................... ...Bruno Basto

Bruno Melo (c).................Petit......................Edn ilson


Edgar................................Boa Morte

Nuno Gomes

(Subs: V.Oliveira, Pedro Henriques, Beto, Fernando Meira, Hugo Viana, Lourenço, Hélder Postiga)

>Oct.6, 2007 / EURO Qual. (Gr.3, #8) – Azerbaijan v PORTUGAL : 0-5 / goals: Nuno Gomes, Boa Morte, Paulo Ferreira, Edgar, Bruno Basto / assists: Boa Morte, Bruno Melo / MoM: Boa Morte
Nuno Gomes releases a lot of tension as he scores on 6' and on a service by Bruno Melo, Luis Boa Morte seals the game before half-time. Nuno Gomes commits an imbecile act of violence which sees him red-carded, but the Seleção well driven by Ednilson manages 3 more goals in the 2nd half, one of which by Edgar. Portugal have crushed their opponents during a very comfortable evening and they are through!

It has not been an easy campaign but with (6W, 1D, 1L) Portugal qualifies for Euro 2008 to be held in Switzerland!


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Slowly but surely a group has emerged under the guidance of Forbs, who had taken the huge risk of doing without the Golden Generation. Still he managed to qualify Portugal for their 5th Euro tournament in History (1984: semis, 1996: quarters, 2000: semis, 2004: groups), their 4th in a row. When pressed by the press, Tito confirmed he would coach them throughout the tournament with one objective: get out of group stage and reach the quarter-finals. He also declared that he would decide after the tournament and after discussing with the Federação whether he would continue onto the 2010 World Cup Qualifiers...

RuiEsteves
15-12-14, 11:04 PM
> Oct.14, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#7) – Vitoria Setubal v Aves : 3-0 / goals: Kaka, Olisadebe, Nélson Veiga / assists: Bruno Melo, Cr.Ronaldo, Figo / MoM: Bruno Melo
Once again superbly skipped by Bruno Melo, Os Guerreiros cruise through an easy afternoon in the Liga.


> Oct.17, 2007 / Champions League (Phase.1, #4) – Vitoria Setubal v Ferencvaros : 2-0 / goals: Olisadebe, Bruno Melo (pen) / assist: Kaka / MoM: Bruno Melo
After a disappointing draw in Hungary, Setubal don't choke and win the return leg at Bonfim - Bruno Melo converting a penalty following a red-card to the visitors.


> Oct.20, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#8) – Estrela Amadora v Vitoria Setubal : 0-3 / goals: Olisadebe (2), Cr.Ronaldo / assists: Bruno Melo, Olembé / MoM: Olisadebe
Estrela Amadora don't stand a chance against such a strong Setubal side, with an inspired Olembé on the left flank and an outstanding Olisabebe upfront.


A win at Bonfim against the Turkish champions would secure qualification to the 2nd Phase of the Champions League.

> Oct.23, 2007 / Champions League (Phase.1, #5) – Vitoria Setubal v Galatasaray : 2-1 / goals: Olisadebe (2) / assists: Kaka, Ednilson / MoM: Olisadebe
It's a very solid and convincing victory from a dominant Vitoria, with a great game by Ednilson and an unstoppable Olisadebe. Preciado's late goal in over-time does not remove anything from Setubal's qualification.


> Oct.28, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#9) – Vitoria Setubal v Boavista : 3-0 / goals: Kaka, Olisadebe (2) / assists: Olembé, Cr.Ronaldo (2) / MoM: Olisadebe
Setubal are almost unplayable right now as they thump Boavista with great performances by Bosingwa, Cr.Ronaldo, Kaka and once again an outstanding game from Nigerian Olisadebe.


With 5 wins in 5 games and a qualification to the next phase of the Champions League, it's been a perfect month of October. Emmanuel Olisadebe has been truly fantastic and is now 12 goals in 13 apps. Forbs take the opportunity to re-conduct Ednilson's contract, raising his wage to £4.5k/w and granting him a well-earned £600k bonus.

Baron Zbimg
16-12-14, 12:16 AM
Your team is clicking right now with an incredible Bruno Melo. Congrats on the qualification also, Portugal won't be a favourite but will be tough to beat for anyone !

Olisadebe is the world class striker you had been missing, looking forward to reading the rest of the season.

Kingsley
16-12-14, 01:35 AM
Your team is on fire. No stopping the mighty Vitoria

kuy
16-12-14, 03:10 AM
Glad to see Olisadebe firing for you. Have you won the Champions League group with a game to spare, or is 1st/2nd place still to play for? If 1st is sewn up, will you rest players?

RuiEsteves
16-12-14, 09:35 AM
Glad to see Olisadebe firing for you. Have you won the Champions League group with a game to spare, or is 1st/2nd place still to play for? If 1st is sewn up, will you rest players?
1st place is secured, will field a B team in Almelo.

troza
16-12-14, 04:05 PM
Well... you're doing a good job this season.

Try to keep Olisadebe fresh so he can keep that level of play until the end of the season.

RuiEsteves
16-12-14, 10:52 PM
> Nov.2, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#10) – Santa Clara v Vitoria Setubal : 1-1 / goal: Figo / assist: Olembé / MoM: Bruno Melo
There was no way Seleção keeper Quim was going to make it easy for his coach Tito Forbs; he had a great game and helped preserve the Açorans early lead… until a devastating counter-attack by Luis Figo on the 87’ secured a very harsh draw for Setubal, who really were the better side.

Vitoria are (8W, 2D) after 10 Liga games, having only conceded 3 goals! It’s a great start to the championship and yet Setubal are only second, 1-pt behind reigning champions Sporting CP who incredibly have managed an even better start (9W, 1D). The rest of the pack led by FC Porto already have an 8-pt deficit.


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> Nov.7, 2007 / Champions League (Phase.1, #6) – Heracles Almelo v Vitoria Setubal : 0-2 / goals: Mendonça, F.Oliveira / assist: F.Oliveira / MoM: F.Oliveira
Setubal’s “B” team easily beats a soft Dutch side on their home turf, with goals by Mendonça and a superb Felipe Oliveira. Paulo Teixeira and Pena also shine, while Tiago Miguel plays his first ever game for the club.

It’s been an easy first Phase with an undefeated Setubal topping their group.


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A few big names are out of the competition (including 3 Premier League sides): Glasgow Rangers, Arsenal, Kaiserslautern, Valencia, Sunderland, Hamburg SV, Blackburn. Portugal on the other hand did superbly well with Setubal, Sporting and Porto all going through! Awaiting the 2nd Phase draw, Tito knows that in any case his Guerreiros will face giants and indeed things look ugly :


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Although Udinese may not be a big name in Europe, Italian sides have been the nemesis of Forbs since he took office with a terrible record of (1W, 1D, 8L) against them! The overall historical record against Serie A clubs is 5v6 :

- UEFA Cup 1966/67 - Round 1 - Juventus (0-2, 1-3)
- UEFA Cup 1968/69 - Round 3 - Fiorentina (3-0, 1-2)
- UEFA Cup 1972/73 - Round 2 - Fiorentina (1-0, 1-2)
- UEFA Cup 1972/73 - Round 3 - Inter Milan (2-0, 0-1)
- UEFA Cup 1999/00 - Round 1 - AS Roma (1-0, 0-7)
- UEFA Cup 2002/03 - Quarter-Final - Bologna 1909 (0-3, 0-2)
- European Supercup 2004 - AS Roma (0-0, pen)
- Champions League 2005/06 – Phase 2 – AS Roma (2-0, 1-2)
- Champions League 2005/06 - Quarter-Final - Inter Milan (0-3, 0-1)
- Champions League 2006/07 - Phase 1 - AS Roma (0-2, 0-2)
- UEFA Cup 2006/07 - Final - Napoli (1-2)

Spanish Champions FC Barcelona will be Group’s hot favourites, having reached the final of the competition in the past 3 years (and lost each one of them!). Setubal have already clashed against the Catalans at the same stage of the competition in 2005/06, managing what is now a legendary victory (3-2) at Bonfim. The record vs Spanish sides remains negative at 1v3 :

- UEFA Cup 1974/75 - Round 1 - Real Zaragoza (1-1, 0-4)
- UEFA Cup 2004/05 - Round 1 - Real Betis Balompié (1-0, 0-2)
- Champions League 2005/06 - Phase 1 - Real Celta de Vigo (2-0, 3-0)
- Champions League 2005/06 - Phase 2 - FC Barcelona (0-4, 3-2)

Fnally PSV Eindhoven are a side Forbs really wanted to avoid. They have be crowned Champions of Holland for the 8th consecutive year (!!) and reached the Champions League Final in 2003. Yet, Setubal have only clashed twice in their History with Dutch clubs and prevailed each time :

- Champions League 2005/06 – Phase 1 – Ajax Amsterdam (2-0, 3-1)
- Champions League 2007/08 – Phase 1 – Heracles Almelo (3-1, 2-0)

troza
16-12-14, 11:00 PM
Good luck with your second group stage!

RuiEsteves
16-12-14, 11:02 PM
This mid-week friendly international is ill-placed, all clubs gearing up towards the crucial months of November and December. Yet it’s another opportunity for Tito to test his pool of players against a great European Nation who will also travel to Switzerland next June: Yugoslavia. Apart from Petit and Mario Silva injured, he has a full squad to pick from.

>Nov.14, 2007 / Friendly – PORTUGAL v Yugoslavia : 0-1 / Jamor, Lisboa / MoM: Teixeira
In spite of the wet conditions, the Portuguese start well and dominate the entire game, creating mulitple chances at goal. On 42’ captain Bruno Melo walks out injured and the cameras are quick to pick the worried look on Forbs’ face as he sees his playmaker for club & country holding his thigh; on a blitz counter-attack immediately after, star striker Mateja Kezman nutmegs past the entire defense and scores the only goal of the match. Until the end, helped by a remarkable Paulo Texeira who came on for Bruno Melo, the locals push hard to salvage their pristine home record alas they have to concede a very harsh defeat in front of their fans.

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Yes it’s a loss at home but it was only a friendly game and the contents were satisfactory as Portugal handsomely dominated Yugoslavia. They have to be more clinical in front of goal – Cr.Ronaldo has in particular been unfortunate with the chances he got. But Tito has other issues right now as he rushes into the dressing room; a simple look from the physio and he knows the damage is bad :


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This is the worst of news. 3 months. Setubal’s playmaker and captain is out until February and will miss all major clashes in the following weeks both in the Primeira Liga and Champions League – starting with the home game v Benfica in 2 days!

RuiEsteves
16-12-14, 11:45 PM
> Nov.11, 2007 / Taça (Rnd.4) – Torreense v Vitoria Setubal : 0-2 / goals: Mendonça, Teixeira / assist: Ouedraogo / MoM: Mendonça
The “B” side fielded by Tito against lower league Torreeense does the job with 2 early goals, but not much beyond that.


It’s a big week-end in the Primeira Liga with Setubal hosting Benfica and Sporting CP travelling to the Dragão. Forbs is missing several key players: West and Bruno Melo on long-term injuries, Olisadebe and Olembé having picked slight kocks, Coutinho and Cr.Ronaldo exhausted by the mid-week friendly with the Seleção. Ednilson will skip Os Guerreiros but is tired and the plan is to sub him at half-time. On their side, Benfica are without strikers Mantorras and Feher.

> Nov.16, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#11) – Vitoria Setubal v Benfica : 0-0 / MoM: Bras
It’s an intense and lively game of football which Setubal dominate – the absense of Olisadebe being clearly felt in front of the goals as Pena misses several chances. Bras impresses in the backs but in the end both teams have to share points. Bocas joins the injury-list and will be out a month.

Again 2-pt are being dropped yet Sporting CP are also held to a draw (1-1) by FC Porto, so it’s a stalemate. There’s never a good time to be hit by injuries, however it could have hardly been worse as Setubal have 5 very tough games to play in the next 19 days : away in Eindhoven and v Udinese in the Champions League, away in the Liga against in-form sides of Beira-Mar and Campomaiorense, and THE clash at Bonfim v Sporting CP.


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A trip to the Philips Stadion is always a fearsome prospect; during the 1st Phase, PSV have successively demolished Glasgow Rangers (4-1), AC Milan (4-0) and Olympiakos (4-0) ! The hosts do have formidable players in Wilfried Bouma, John de Jong, Matthew Piper and Mateja Kezman who ironically has just crucified Portugal in Lisboa, with Yugoslavia; apart from Bruno Melo, Tito fields his best possible XI and counts on possible arrogance from the Dutchmen to shock them from the start….

> Nov.20, 2007 / Champions League (Phase.2, #1) – PSV Eindhoven v Vitoria Setubal : 0-3 / goals: Olisadebe (3) / assists: Kaka, Ednilson / MoM: Olisadebe

1st half: Tito’s plans work as PSV were expecting to face a defensive side and instead suffer during the first 20’ from the skills of Kaka who finds Olisadebe’s header on 13’ -> it hits the post. Kaka is active again on 37’ with Teixeira feeding a nice pass for the Brazilian’s header, which is parried. On the counter-attack, Englishmen Piper is through and looks certain to score but an inspired Marco Tabuas wins the duel. This proves the turning point as 2’ before half-time, Kaka finds Emmanuel Olisadebe in the area and this time his header leaves no chance to the keeper and Setubal open fire! (0-1). Eindhoven rush in attack and Bras commits a very unfortunate 2-footed tackle on Kezman which earns him a red-card! oh no, Vitoria are down to 10-men as Lassissi comes in for a quiet Cr.Ronaldo. Bosingwa shows the crowd what Guerreiros spirit means as he delivers a goal-saving tackle during over-time.

2nd half: it’s a determined 10-man Portuguese side that takes to the field, and within 10’ Olisadebe writes his own legend as he scores a hat-trick, first after a poor goal-kick by Waterreus and later thanks to a splendid lef-footed volley (0-3). Oh what a player the big Nigerian is!! during the last half-hour a stunned PSV side will push hard to at least save face, but Marco Tabuas parries 2 good chances while Kezman wastes another. Luis Figo almost adds a 4th goal late in the game but his ferocious strike is parried into corner. The whistle blows and Os Guerreiros celebrate loudly on the pitch: it’s a shocker on the very first game of this Group!!


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Oh this is a landmark victory and Forbs knows it, it’s been a while since his dear Setubal had shocked Europe in this fashion. He congratulates Emmanuel Olisadebe for yet again, a stunning performance. In the other game Barça have also won away (1-2) in Udine.


> Nov.24, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#12) – Beira-Mar v Vitoria Setubal : 1-3 / goals: Cr.Ronaldo, Kaka, Olisadebe / assist: Olisadebe / MoM: Olisadebe
Forbs feared that game but his offensive trio delivers as each of Cr.Ronaldo, Kaka and Olisadebe score. Captain Ednilson also had a superb game.


(3W, 2D) for 5 games in November and a stunning start to Champions League's 2nd Phase. Injuries have hit the squad but the group is solid. Next up is the exciting clash with Champions Sporting CP.

Kingsley
17-12-14, 02:44 AM
You are on a rich run of form at the moment. That win in Eindhoven was very impressive. Time to give Sporting a reminder of who is boss.

kuy
17-12-14, 04:04 AM
Amazing result in Eindhoven, realistically you're playing for second place behind Barca so that's a big win :ok: Who's replacing Bruno Melo for Os Guerreiros?

troza
17-12-14, 10:09 AM
Yeah. Keep it going!!

RuiEsteves
18-12-14, 08:31 PM
Amazing result in Eindhoven, realistically you're playing for second place behind Barca so that's a big win :ok: Who's replacing Bruno Melo for Os Guerreiros?
It's Paulo Teixeira. One of the very first players Tito recruited back in July 2001. Made 89 apps for the club, got his first international cap recently.
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RuiEsteves
23-12-14, 07:33 AM
There is a lot of excitement ahead of this game as Setubal have been playing great football lately. They remember the (0-0) against Sporting CP last April, with Cr.Ronaldo hitting the crossbar and Petr Cech making great saves when only one goal would have been sufficient in the end to win the title. Also, superstar David Beckham is visiting Bonfim for the 1st time! Tito is without West, Bruno Melo, Bocas and Teixeira all injured.

> Dec.2, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#13) – Vitoria Setubal v Sporting CP : 1-1 / goal: Figo / assist: Kaka / MoM: Bosingwa
It’s a very defensive Sporting that start the game and are soon under pressure when Olembé crosses for Olisadebe who scores – but is denied for handball. On the 29’ Gravesen throws in a long pass, it bounces through the area and… hits the post! Later a great Bosingwa finds Olisadebe but Cech parries and it’s (0-0) at half-time. Around the hour, Os Guerreiros are punished by the man who has been the best player of the Liga 2 years running: Marius Niculae (0-1). Vitoria push, Olisadebe has a header parried by Cech but on the 73' following superb work by Kaka, sub Luis Figo smashes a header just inside the post for the equalizer (1-1). It's been a tight game and in the end the draw is logical. Towards the end Kaka picks a 3-weeks injury.
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> Dec.5, 2007 / Champions League (Phase.2, #2) – Vitoria Setubal v Udinese : 1-0 / goal: Cr.Ronaldo
As the Italians decide to only defend it is one of the dullest 1st half ever seen in Bonfim with no shot at goal until... the 45' when defender Manfredini is red-carded for a 2-foot-tackle. Cr.Ronaldo provides the only sparkle of the game as he superbly converts the ensuing free-kick for the winning goal.

It's an unspectacular but precious victory for Setubal who top the Group with 6pts, on par with Barça who have beaten PSV at the Camp Nou.


> Dec.9, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#14) – Campomaiorense v Vitoria Setubal : 1-1 / goal: Teixeira / assist: Cr.Ronaldo / MoM: Teixeira
Os Guerreiros lose steam a little as they logically draw in Campomaiorense against a good side. The injury tally continues to rise with Cr.Ronaldo ruled out for a month.


> Dec.16, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#15) – Vitoria Setubal v Maritimo : 4-1 / goals: Olisadebe (3), Nélson Veiga / assists: Olembé, Ednilson, Teixeira, Figo / MoM: Olisadebe
Setubal end the year demolishing Funchal with another amazing hat-trick by Emmanuel Olisadebe. Fullbacks Olembé and Nélson Veiga have been excellent and Teixeira once again inspiring.

There's now a 2-weeks Christmas break as Vitoria have had a great first part of the season, undefeated and conceding only 7 goals in the Liga. They are however already 3-pts behind a great Sporting CP in what looks this season like a 2-horse race.


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troza
23-12-14, 09:37 AM
Well... let's hope that you keep the undefeated streak alive while Sporting looses some games :P

Too bad that you weren't able to beat sporting at home.

Kingsley
23-12-14, 04:32 PM
Undefeated but not top. That is tough.

It is a sensational defence that you have. just 7 conceded.

RuiEsteves
29-12-14, 04:18 PM
Too bad that you weren't able to beat sporting at home.
Indeed but no regrets since it was a fair draw; considering we were (0-1) it could have been worse...

LR
29-12-14, 10:41 PM
Outstanding amount of effort and success put together in this brilliant story. My favorite one along with merk's Vauxhall Motors :ok:
Being a Vitória supporter just makes it even a richer reading experience.

Go Tito!!!!

ZanSnake
01-01-15, 01:56 AM
Dang! Lots of draws there.

Going for the Man City-Hughes approach or a successful one? Only time will tell!

RuiEsteves
04-01-15, 01:12 PM
2007 has been a memorable year for Tito Forbs, both with Vitoria (with a UEFA Cup Final and a third consecutive Taça de Portugal) and the Seleção who qualified for Euro 2008. There was one last game to be played right before New Year, and Sporting CP's incredible home loss to promoted Naval (1-2) granted Setubal an unexpected opportunity to reclaim Liga's n°1 spot.

> Dec.29, 2007 / Pr.Liga (#16) – Belenenses v Vitoria Setubal : 0-1 / goal: Olisadebe
A very balanced and tough game, but Olisadebe (who else?) scores early on (7') and Marco Tabuas helps secure a fortunate victory. Vitoria are back on top.


While iconic keeper Marco Tabuas extended his contract, the rumour started to inflate...


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Bloody agents speculating, thought Tito... alas days later the bid from the Italian giants landed on Setubal's board of directors desk:


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The numbers were mind-bobbling... £12.75m to buy-back a player's contract! the highest ever bid received by Vitoria was back in 2002 when Académica decided to spend £4m on striker Rui Miguel - which the board had forced Tito to accept. This time, the coach had the upper hand. He had become a figure of Portuguese football and as national head coach he was now very influential. Furthermore the club's coffers were safe with £42m in treasury and no debt. AC Milan's offer was rejected but the damage was done as Vitoria and Portugal's 26-year old captain expressed his grief at not being able to discuss switching clubs. He had been sidelined for the past 2 months due to an injury, would this be reversible? Forbs had a policy never to keep an unhappy player within his squad, he was going to give his playmaker a few more weeks to bounce back to fitness, and would re-assess the situation around March. There was plenty of quality depth at DMC but Bruno Melo was simply a class above everyone else.

RuiEsteves
04-01-15, 03:21 PM
> Jan.6, 2008 / Taça (Rnd.5) – Paços de Ferreira v Vitoria Setubal : 2-4 / goals: Josinho, Rodolfo, Pena, Marajo / assists: Ouedraogo, Lassissi, Josinho, Marajo / MoM: Josinho
The "B" side (comprising 5 Brazilians and 3 Africans) easily dispose of Segunda side Paços de Ferreira in this Cup away match, with great performances by Rodolfo, Pena and young Josinho.


> Jan.13, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#17) – Vitoria Setubal v Leiria : 1-0 / goal: Cr.Ronaldo / MoM: Marco Tabuas
Solid game in Bonfim but the visitors could have easily shared points had it not been for another great performance from Setubal's keeper.


> Jan.18, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#18) – Vitoria Setubal v FC Porto : 2-0 / goals: Figo, Marajo / assists: Nélson Veiga, Olisadebe / MoM: Nélson Veiga
Os Guerreiros deliver a splendid game in Bonfim, comprehensively dominating their Porto rivals with superb Nélson Veiga and Bosingwa. It is however only in the last 10' that subs Luis Figo (82') and Marajo (90') seal victory with 2 great goals.


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> Jan.23, 2008 / Taça (Rnd.6) – Vitoria Setubal v Beira-Mar : 5-1 / goals: Marajo (3), F.Oliveira, Figo / assists: P.Teixeira (2), Nélson Veiga, Figo, F.Oliveira / MoM: Marajo
The side currently ranked 5th in the Liga are demoslished in Bonfim by on-fire Guerreiros. Club icon Marajo has a 2nd life while Teixeira does a great job replacing Bruno Melo in midfield. Olembé and sub Felipe Oliveira also shine. Vitoria secure a spectacular qualification for the quarters.


> Jan.25, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#19) – Vitoria Guimarães v Vitoria Setubal : 2-3 / goals: Kaka, Bruno Melo, Cr.Ronaldo / assists: Ednilson (2), Pena / MoM: Ednilson
It's a great football game between both Vitorias; although clearly the better side, Os Guerreiros are down 1-2 and it takes a splendid Ednilson and a great Cr.Ronaldo to help them finally prevail. It's the first game in 3 months by captain Bruno Melo who does very well for his return after his failed transfer attempt to Milan.http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/VS-VG-250108_zps234663e9.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/VS-VG-250108_zps234663e9.png.html)

It's been a perfect month with 5W in 5 games, alas tarnished by the injuries picked in Guimarães by Bosingwa (2-weeks) and Olisadebe (3-weeks). Setubal are still unbeaten in the Liga and are now on an amazing run of 31 consecutive undefeated games since the loss in the Portuguese Supercup last August!

kuy
04-01-15, 05:46 PM
A great run, and I think you're right to try and keep hold of Bruno Melo - you need all the quality you can get and I don't know if you'd be able to replace him. How long does he have left on his contract?

Baron Zbimg
04-01-15, 06:05 PM
Bruno Melo is a must keep for sure let's hope he changes his mind. The problem is usually when a club comes others soon follow, you should definitely plan ahead and spot possible replacements, although players of his quality must be rare ...

RuiEsteves
04-01-15, 06:25 PM
@kuy: I renewed him last season so his contract now runs until 2013. He's been outstanding for 4 seasons with us and is now Setubal and Portugal's captain. However for the sake of the story, Forbs is likely to stick to his own rules: an unhappy player is always entitled to leave the club (provided the compensation is right).

@Baron: do players change their minds in such instances? before AC Milan's bid he had never expressed the will to leave but now he is frustrated... this never happened in CM3 98/99. But you're right, I won't be able to replace a player of his quality at DMC within the pool of players accessible (ie restricted to Portuguese, Brazilians and Africans, and within the club's wage limit which is now ~£14k/w).

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Baron Zbimg
04-01-15, 06:27 PM
He can definitely get back to being happy but from my experience he'll be pissed off again if you refuse another offer in the future. Wait and see for now ...

RuiEsteves
04-01-15, 06:32 PM
He can definitely get back to being happy but from my experience he'll be pissed off again if you refuse another offer in the future. Wait and see for now ...
Thanks. If another huge bid comes in and Bruno Melo is still unhappy, decision has already been taken: we will negotiate.

RuiEsteves
05-01-15, 09:00 AM
It’s a tough month of February ahead with no less than 7 games including back-to-back matches vs FC Barcelona in the Champions League. Forbs is without West, Olisadebe and Bosingwa (injured) but also Lassissi, Mendonça and Matoukou who are playing the CAN.

> Feb.3, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#20) – Farense v Vitoria Setubal : 0-2 / goals: Pena, Cr.Ronaldo / assists: Cr.Ronaldo, Pena / MoM: Cr.Ronaldo
Setubal deliver a solid game at Estadio de São Luis, Cr.Ronaldo being a class above everyone else (1 goa, 1 ass). His AMC team mate Kaka however has a nightmare and has been underperforming lately.

20 games have been played into the Liga and undefeated Setubal now have a little 4-pt cushion on their sole rivals Sporting CP.


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Time for the Cup now and it is a remake in Bonfim of last season quarter-finals v Santa Clara (3-1). Forbs fields a mixed side, resting a few key players.

> Feb.6, 2008 / Taça (Quarter-Final) – Vitoria Setubal v Santa Clara : 4-2 / goals: Binho, F.Oliveira, P.Teixeira (2) / assists: Olembé (2), Ouedraogo / MoM: P.Teixeira
It's a great game of football and Os Guerreiros are up (2-0) after 48' thanks in particular to great F.Oliveira and young Josinho. But the Açorans fight back and level at (2-2); it then takes the class of Paulo Texeira (2 goals) to prevail in the last 10'. Vitoria are in the semis!


> Feb.8, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#21) – Vitoria Setubal v Salgueiros : 2-0 / goals: Kaka, F.Oliveira / assist: Bruno Melo / MoM: Kaka
Tito is always wary of a dangerous Salgueiros side who have hurt Vitoria so much last season; this time however, the locals produce a much controlled game under the leadership of Brazilian Kaka and easily prevail.


While he gets his troops ready for the mighty clash vs Barça, Tito relaxes and listens on his old radio in his Bonfim office at the Switzerland Euro 2008 group draw.


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Portugal are seeded in Group 1 along with hosts Switzerland and outsiders Ireland and Belgium. It's a solid and open group, but Tito cannot help but feel relieved to have avoided all major continental powerhouses.

Kingsley
05-01-15, 10:27 AM
You just keep going from strenght to strength. Is there no stopping Tito ?

RuiEsteves
05-01-15, 08:58 PM
In March 2006 Setubal hosted and beat the great Barça in Bonfim (3-2) in a memorable game, qualifying in the process for the quarter-finals of the Champions League. This season, ideally positioned with 2 wins in 2 games, Vitoria clash again with the Catalan giants. Forbs is still without Olisadebe and Bosingwa, while Saviola and Gerard are out injured for the visitors.

> Feb.13, 2008 / Champions League (Phase.2, #3) – Vitoria Setubal v FC Barcelona : 0-0 / MoM: Nélson Veiga
Unlike 2 years ago, Os Guerreiros start well and Coutinho almost finds the nets on a corner-kick after 8’. Each side gets a half of their own with Barça finishing stronger, but Vitoria’s defense is solid as evidenced by another good game from Nélson Veiga. It’s a logical draw and van Gaal praises Setubal’s strengths at the post-match press conference.
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> Feb.16, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#22) – Infesta v Vitoria Setubal : 1-2 / goals: Olisadebe (2) / assists: Cr.Ronaldo, Bruno Melo / MoM: Olisadebe
Setubal waste no time and are up (0-2) after 14’ against the side who are bottom of the Liga, thanks a double from Olisadebe. It’s a comfortable win in the end, with the helpful contribution of Cr.Ronaldo.


Tito remembers well the only time he visited the Camp Nou, in December 2005: Vitoria took the worst beating (4-0) under his spell. Now unbeaten in 36 straight games, his Guerreiros undergo a real test tonight.

> Feb.19, 2008 / Champions League (Phase.2, #4) – FC Barcelona v Vitoria Setubal : 0-0
Both teams field a full strength side and once again Vitoria start strong, shocking the Catalans as in the first 25’ both Olisadebe and Bruno Melo force Christian Abbiati to 2 greats saves. It’s a tactical clash, almost a chess game at which the Portuguese minnows seem to have become superior than the masters. Young Coutinho is once again impressive, dominating the likes of Montella and Saviola and delivering a life-saving tackle on the latter at 82’. It’s a crazy end game with an on-fire Setubal inches from a legendary away win; first when Olisadebe is clear but finds Abbiati, later as Bruno Melo smashes a left-footed volley on the crossbar and even in extra-time with the big Nigerian striker shooting twice only for the Italian keeper to show his skills once again.


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For many European pundits this is a landmark game by Setubal. Never had Vitoria so utterly dominated an away Champions League match against one of the 4 or 5 best teams on the continent. Forbs remains cool-headed, simply congratulating his boys for their master piece but arguing that playing so well and not winning is not what he has been trying to teach them. He’s already focused on the Bonfim game v PSV Eindhoven against whom one point would be enough to go through to the next stage.


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> Feb.25, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#23) – Vitoria Setubal v Naval : 3-1 / goals: Olisadebe, Bruno Melo (2) / assists: Kaka, Cr.Ronaldo, Ednilson / MoM: Ednilson
In spite of the score it was not an easy game against promoted Naval, Os Guerreiros showing contempt after their great performance in Barcelona. Nélson Veiga, Kaka and Ednilson had good games but it was Bruno Melo who sealed victory with 2 devastating strikes in the last 15’.

troza
05-01-15, 09:59 PM
You're doing great in the domestic competitions and you're starting to do better in europe.

Try to keep your player until the end of the year. I guess that you should have asked for the maximum money... you might have gotten it... :P

RuiEsteves
05-01-15, 10:28 PM
@troza: Bruno Melo is now happy again so he's staying I guess.

kuy
06-01-15, 12:23 AM
@troza: Bruno Melo is now happy again so he's staying I guess.

Hooray!

BobMem
06-01-15, 11:28 AM
@troza: Bruno Melo is now happy again so he's staying I guess.

Nice one. He was clearly impressed after the two Barca games! :ok:

troza
06-01-15, 02:31 PM
He will be unhappy anyway if you reject some transfer... in the next time you get a good offer for a guy that is still young, just ask for the maximum amount of money you can ask while the other club is still interested. That's how I made my biggest sells in the game... I've sold players for the maximum money I could ask :P

But I'm glad he is happy now. Give him a new contract if it helps, so just he would stay longer if he becomes unhappy again :P

RuiEsteves
06-01-15, 09:01 PM
@troza: Tito Forbs is a man who could not care less about making money. He has managed to secure the finances of the club with a treasury that has been ~£40m for the past few years, and this means the board lets him do more or less what he wants with the squad. What Tito is after is glory and while you don't buy glory with £, you may obtain it with (a happy) Bruno Melo :-)

RuiEsteves
06-01-15, 09:25 PM
> Mar.1, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#24) – Aves v Vitoria Setubal : 1-4 / goals: Olisadebe (3), Kaka / assists: Nélson Veiga, Bruno Melo / MoM: Olisadebe
Vitoria thump into March as impressive as ever, producing an outstanding performance with the likes of Bosingwa and Bruno Melo in midfield. But the hero of the day is of course Emmanuel Olisadebe who scores another hat-trick!

Olisadebe really is a beast; we are early March and with 11 MoM he has already broken the club’s record over a single season (previously held by Fary with 10 MoM in 2002/03).

Tito is happy to renew Nélson Veiga’s contract, granting the international right-back a much-deserved £400k bonus and an increased wage at £4.2/w. He then refocuses his players on the game vs PSV; the Dutch champions can still qualify and will seek revenge for the (0-3) humiliation they suffered at the Philips Stadion last November.

> Mar.5, 2008 / Champions League (Phase.2, #5) – Vitoria Setubal v PSV Eindhoven : 1-1 / goal: Kaka / assist: Olembé / MoM: Bruno Melo
Forbs wants to take the score early on counting on his side’s current run of form; he does not have to wait long as following a superb crossing by Salomon Olembé at 6’, Kaka pounds a winning header (1-0). Alas on the 20’, center-back Bras is booked for what he deemed was a simulation by Matthew Piper; he pushes the Englishman in protest and is red-carded! oh Vitoria are down to 10-men… they resist until the very last minute of the 1st half when the ref generously grants a penalty for a foul on Kiezman, who converts (1-1). It’s a thriller in Bonfim throughout the 2nd half, the visitors having a few serious chances but captain Bruno Melo steps up and weathers the storm. In the very last minute, Mateja Kiezman is free in the area and it takes a superb reflex from Marco Tabuas to secure qualification!

This breath-taking draw is enough to see Setubal through to the quarter-finals, unlike Barcelona who are beaten at home (0-1) by a lucky Udinese and cannot afford to lose in Eindhoven for the last game. It is the 40th consecutive undefeated game for Os Guerreiros, an incredible feat.


> Mar.8, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#25) – Vitoria Setubal v Estrela Amadora : 3-0 / goals: Olisadebe, Mendonça, Kaka / assists: Lassissi, Olisadebe / MoM: Olisadebe
Tito fields a mixed team who will go on and utterly dominate a poor Amadora side. The star is once again Olisadebe but the entire midfield – P.Teixeira, Rodolfo, Bosingwa, Mendonça and Kaka are worth a mention.

Seldom has Forbs felt such a sense close to perfection when he looks at the way his side has been playing these past few months. After 25 games into the Liga, Setubal have now managed to build quite a lead on top.


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> Mar.11, 2008 / Champions League (Phase.2, #6) – Udinese v Vitoria Setubal : 0-0
Other than Bras (suspensed) and Coutinho (rested), Tito decides to field his best side in Friul against a team which is at a very respectable 6th position in Seria A, but without any hope to get out of this Group. It’s a balanced and entertaining game until the 61’ when Bocas is sent out for a 2-footed tackle. The Italians will push in the last half-hour but fail to score.

Barça hang-on to a (0-0) draw in Holland and qualify, but it is Vitoria Setubal who top the Group! what a great achievement this is, undefeated and having conceded only one goal. For the 2nd time in its history Vitoria will play the Champions League quarter-finals.


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At this stage of course, the small Portuguese club is invited amongst giants :

- FC Barcelona, Real Madrid
- AC Milan, AS Roma, Juventus
- Liverpool FC
- Celtic Glasgow

Is there any draw to wish for really? Maybe Liverpoool whom Setubal had beaten (4-1 on aggregate) in Champions League 2005/06… although they are currently 2nd of the Premier League.


> Mar.16, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#26) – Boavista v Vitoria Setubal : 0-1 / goal: Kaka / MoM: Kaka
Setubal completely dominate a struggling Boavista (16th) and prevail with a sole goal by Kaka. Domestic domination continues…

troza
06-01-15, 09:40 PM
Keep it going :)

And I know you could care less about the money but... if you're going to loose him, at least get the maximum money available :P

RuiEsteves
06-01-15, 09:46 PM
Euro 2008 kicks-off in a little over 2 month and Tito has 2 friendly games v Bulgaria and v Croatia to finetune his choices and do a last review of his squad - although he has already made up his mind over most positions. There are no injuries to report, the coach goes with :


Quim

Paulo Ferreira.............................Coutinho..... .........................Rui Marques..........................Mario Silva

Bruno Melo (c).................Petit....................Ednil son


Cr. Ronaldo..............................Boa Morte

Nuno Gomes

(Subs: Vitor Oliveira, Bruno Basto, Nélson Veiga, Litos, Fernando Meira, Hugo Viana, F.Oliveira, Lourenço, Hélder Postiga)

>Mar.22, 2008 / Friendly – Bulgaria v PORTUGAL : 0-3 / Vasil Levski, Sofia / goals: Boa Morte, Cr.Ronaldo, H.Postiga / assists: Mario Silva (2) / MoM: Cr.Ronaldo
Bulgaria may not be the most fearsome footballing nation, the Seleção delivers a superb game in Sofia. Finding each other really well and now at ease with Forbs’ tactics, the Portuguese score 3 unanswered goals and Cristiano Ronaldo is named MoM for his nation for the 1st time.

Although the press writes off Portugal’s chances, Forbs has a feeling things are gradually taking shape. There’s not half the talent of the previous Golden Generation but it’s a solid team with a lot of ambition.


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As if there was a lucky star watching over the Seleção these days, the draw for the 2010 World Cup Qualifications is made and whichever way one might look at it… we’ve seen tougher Groups before !


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RuiEsteves
06-01-15, 09:53 PM
There are two Primeira Liga games in March before money time begins in April with the last rounds of Champions League, Taça de Portugal and final sprint for the Championship title. Forbs feel confident with his squad and takes the risk to rotate a little at home v Santa Clara, in order to field his best XI at Estadio da Luz 3 days later.

> Mar.26, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#27) – Vitoria Setubal v Santa Clara : 2-0 / goals: P.Teixeira, Mendonça / assists: Rodolfo, Olisadebe / MoM: P.Teixeira
It’s a comfortable afternoon in Bonfim; Os Guerreiros led by super-sub Paulo Teixeira dominate and prevail over the Açoran side.


> Mar.29, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#28) – Benfica v Vitoria Setubal : 1-2 / goals: Olisadebe, Kaka / assists: Bruno Melo, Olembé / MoM: Kaka
The 56k Lisboa crowd watch mesmerized Os Guerreiros tear apart their dear Benfica, up (0-2) at half-time and creating a huge amount of chances led by an inspired Kaka. Feher claws one back 10’ from the end of the game but Vitoria’s domination was such that the locals are fortunate not to end the night with a dross.


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Setubal have left a huge impression on everyone who watched that game, like an unstoppable machine marching towards a 3rd title. There are 6 games left in the Liga and Os Guerreiros now have a 10-pts lead over Sporting CP; they are also still unbeaten in the Liga (28 games, new record) and unbeaten in 45 consecutive games all included!!

Now is the time for the 1st leg, at Bonfim, of their Champions League quarter-final.

RuiEsteves
06-01-15, 11:39 PM
In the 2002/03 UEFA Cup quarter-finals, Setubal crashed vs Bologna 1909 (0-5, agg.); in the 2005/06 Champions League quarter-finals it was Inter Milan who humbled Vitoria (0-4, agg.); and finally last year in the UEFA Cup final, Napoli defeated Os Guerreiros (1-2, e.t.). Italian sides have inflicted the most heart-breaking defeats to Tito’s boys so the writing was on the wall: if they were to break the bad spell and reach the semi-finals, they would have to beat a team from the Calcio.


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Confrontation vs Italian sides went a long way back in the club’s history, the record now being even at 6v6. Setubal has encountered Juventus once before, way back in 1966 and it does not bring back good memories...

- UEFA Cup 1966/67 - Round 1 - Juventus (0-2, 1-3)
- UEFA Cup 1968/69 - Round 3 - Fiorentina (3-0, 1-2)
- UEFA Cup 1972/73 - Round 2 - Fiorentina (1-0, 1-2)
- UEFA Cup 1972/73 - Round 3 - Inter Milan (2-0, 0-1)
- UEFA Cup 1999/00 - Round 1 - AS Roma (1-0, 0-7)
- UEFA Cup 2002/03 - Quarter-Final - Bologna 1909 (0-3, 0-2)
- European Supercup 2004 - AS Roma (0-0, pen)
- Champions League 2005/06 – Phase 2 – AS Roma (2-0, 1-2)
- Champions League 2005/06 - Quarter-Final - Inter Milan (0-3, 0-1)
- Champions League 2006/07 - Phase 1 - AS Roma (0-2, 0-2)
- UEFA Cup 2006/07 - Final - Napoli (1-2)
- Champions League 2007/08 – Phase 2 – Udinese (1-0, 0-0)

Apart from Taribo West (injured) and Bocas (suspended), Forbs had a full squad to pick from and could therefore field his best XI. On the Juve side things were a little more complicated as to start with, since the sacking of legendary Marcelo Lippi 2 months ago, the club was without a head coach (!!) and it was Roberto Bettega who was acting in interim. There were 3 regular starters out injured: Pavel Nedved, Joe Cole and Paolo Cannavaro. 4 players had to be watched more specifically: legend keeper Gigi Buffon, winger Gianluca Zambrotta, strikers Marcelo Salas and David Trézéguet.


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This was a huge game. Forbs could hear his heart pounding as the crowd outside was roaring. The lads needed to make the most out of this first home-tie.

> Apr.2, 2008 / Champions League (Quarter-Final, leg.1) – Vitoria Setubal v Juventus : 2-0 / goals: Iuliano (og), Cr.Ronaldo / assist: Nélson Veiga / MoM: Cr.Ronaldo

It’s a very defensive Juventus that take to the field but the game is entertaining from kick-off, as Buffon parries a great shot from Bruno Melo on 7’ and… Trézéguet’s pounds a header on the post just a 1’ after! oh that was a close call for Marco Tabuas. Setubal keep the pressure and are rewarded on 25’ when a header from Nélson Veiga is deflected into its own nets by Mark Iuliano for the opener! (1-0) GOOOOL, and a tad lucky for the lads!!! The Italians try to react, but on 28’ here comes Cr.Ronaldo on a blitz counter-attack, he goes all the way with his greater speed and chips it above Gianluigi Buffon for the 2nd GOOOOL! (2-0). Oh Vitoria are writing history here with both goals back-to-back; it’s a hammer blow for Juventus! David Trézéguet creates havoc in the local defense but Os Guerreiros are 2 goals up at half-time and have once again, impressed.
The 2nd half will be more balanced with Juve having most posession. Kaka manages a superb shot parried by Buffon on 66’, but the best chance is for sub Mihajlo Pjanovic who on the 80’ volleys the ball on the crossbar. In the end it’s a deserved win but Juve can feel hard done-by not to have scored that crucial away goal…

Finally a convincing victory in a knock-out game against a major Italian side! half the job done, but Setubal will be under a lot of heat at the Juventus stadium for the return leg. There is not much between both teams but (2-0) is a great result.

Tito now faces an impossible dilemna with 3 major games in 7 days: nothing less than a Cup semi-final, the decisive clash at the Alvalade in the Liga, immediately followed by the return leg of the Champions League in Torino. Fatigue starts to take its toll, as evidenced by the 2-weeks injury picked by Nélson Veiga in training. Some amount of squad rotation will be needed, but which games to prioritize? ponders a puzzled Forbs…


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kuy
06-01-15, 11:49 PM
How far ahead in the league are you now? Might be worth resting one or two at Sporting... But then Forbs would never go lightly on his rivals like that!

RuiEsteves
07-01-15, 12:21 AM
How far ahead in the league are you now? Might be worth resting one or two at Sporting... But then Forbs would never go lightly on his rivals like that!
That's exactly what I was pondering about right now! we have a 10-pt lead over Sporting with 6 games to go. If they beat us in the next game, that would mean 7-pts lead and 5 games left - those last 5 games will be against 1st half of the table teams (Maritimo, Beira-Mar, Belenenses, Campomaiorense and Leiria).

So basically if we don't lose the Sporting game, the title should be in the bag - if we lose, then Sporting CP still have an outside chance. Considering that Setubal is unbeaten so far in the Liga, that Sporting are the reigning champions and that they have been our main rivals for those past 4 years - I think Tito will field his best side for the game just for the sake of it.

Kingsley
07-01-15, 08:48 AM
Got to go for it like you say. Win this game and there will be plenty of chances to rest players in the run in.

"Just looking at the next match" is the usual cliche

troza
07-01-15, 11:07 PM
Well... That's a tough decision.

What are you thinking about that situation?

RuiEsteves
07-01-15, 11:38 PM
Well... That's a tough decision.
What are you thinking about that situation?
I have finished the game v Sporting and Tito fielded his best XI. 4 days before for the Cup semi-final, he fielded a "reserve" team.

RuiEsteves
10-01-15, 10:37 PM
It’s a Cup semi-final and Setubal are title holders (for 3 consecutive years !), but considering it is a home game and how well the subs have performed throughout the season, Forbs goes with a mixed team comprising only 3 regular starters: Marco Tabuas, Bruno Melo and Olisadebe.

> Apr.9, 2008 / Taça (Semi-Final) – Vitoria Setubal v Maritimo : 2-0 / goals: F.Oliveira (2) / assists: P.Teixeira, Figo / MoM: F.Oliveira
Funchal are playing their entire season today knowing Setubal may be focused on Liga and Europe; it’s a tight and very entertaining game with both sides creating multiple chances. Marco Tabuas for the home side is great between the sticks and has truly been phenomenal this season; Os Guerreiros show remarkable fighting spirit and finally manage 2 goals in the last 7’, both by F.Oliveira. It was close, but victory is deserved.

Vitoria qualify for their 4th consecutive Taça de Portugal final where they will either face Salgueiros or Sporting CP who will need a semi-final re-match. Centre-backPape Malik Diop has picked up a severe injury during the match and will be out for 3 months. His season is over.


It's now time for the big show-down at the Alvalade. This is a massive game as usual; with only 5 matches to go in the Liga anything else than victory would probably mean Sporting CP will lose their title to Setubal. Only Nélson Veiga is out injured for Os Guerreiros, while the Lisboa side has a full squad to pick from.

> Apr.13, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#29) – Sporting CP v Vitoria Setubal : 1-1 / goal: P.Teixeira / assist: Bocas

1st half: there's a great feeling in Lisboa tonight and the game starts strong with superb skills displayed from both sides. On the 15' Olisadebe finds himself free in the area, he has time and what a superb save by Petr Cech the great keeper. He struggles however on 29' as the Nigerian striker jumps higher than him on a crossing but heads the ball above the crossbar... on the 38' Lopes pounds a free-kick and Marco Tabuas makes his first decisive save of the night. It's been a great first half of football, overall slightly dominated by impressive Guerreiros.

2nd half: Sporting is unsure how to play as they seem to switch between attacking and defensive formations. On the 50' however, David Beckham who has now moved on the right wing crosses superbly for Marius Niculae who aims too high. Marco Tabuas goal-kicks, it's poor, Niculae is free with the ball and Bras takes him down. It's a crystal clear red-card for the centre-back (out for 3 games) and this will change the face of the game; Forbs decidees to play defense, subbing Cr.Ronaldo by Bocas. From then on, Sporting dominate and create mulitple chances: Ricardo Queresma (58'), Beckham (81') and Lopes (85') all superbly parried by Marco Tabuas. Vitoria holds and on 89', sub Paulo Teixeira embarks on a counter-attack, dribbles past 3 players and goes on to beat Cech for the opener! oh what a superb GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!! (0-1). It's the hammer blow and the Alvalade is fuming, there's a last rush by the locals in Setubal's area and oh, Coutinho takes the legs of Niculae and the ref points at the spot!! David Beckham won't miss and following unbelievable last 5', the game ends as a draw (1-1). What a night this has been!


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It's been a great game for very brave Os Guerreiros who extend their incredible unbeaten run in the Liga. Although victory disappeared from the jaws of his lads in the dying seconds, Tito knows how good a result this is. Even him, always so cautious, cannot see Sporting coming back. In the dressing rooms the old coach has a special word with Marco Tabuas, club icon and ex-captain. The 31-yr old keeper is having an amazing season (5 saves tonight!) with almost no game under-par and very consistent, solid performances which have be key to the unbeaten run and the very low number of conceded goals. Both men talk for a while and one can only imagine they would discuss about next game at Juventus stadium in which Tabuas is likely to be busy and they may also be talking - who knows? - about Euro 2008...

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Kingsley
11-01-15, 09:56 AM
Pretty much dominant at home. Now time to sort out those Italians.

RuiEsteves
11-01-15, 04:11 PM
After the (2-0) win in Bonfim, Vitoria are 90' away from a historic Champions League semi-final. They will need to resist to the reigning Champions of Italy Juventus who are still without Joe Cole but field a limping Pavel Nedved. Forbs has a fully fit starting XI -but for Nélson Veiga replaced by Ouedraogo.

> Apr.16, 2008 / Champions League (Quarter-Final, leg.2) – Juventus v Vitoria Setubal : 1-1 / goal: Olisadebe / assist: Kaka

The massive 63k crowd in Torino has been chanting for at least an hour when the game kicks-off; but the chants are quieted as on the 4' Cr.Ronaldo pounds a sublime volley from 25m out... on the crossbar! oh the game almost got over right there. It's frantic now in the visitors' area; Igor Tudor gets a free-kick, shoots and Marco Tabuas parries into corner. On the 19' Kaka jumps higher than the Italian defense but Gigi Buffon tips the ball away. It's still (0-0) and we're getting close to half-time, Salas's head connects with the ball but Bras clears. Juve put a lot of pressure now, on the 40' Comotto crosses-in for Camoranesi and it was very close. 2' later the hosts finally get the opener: Salas combines well with Trézéguet, who superbly finds Camoranesi for the winning volley (1-0). It's a deserved goal and it changes everything as Juventus now only have a goal to score into the 2nd half to level. The tension is at its maximum here. On 59', Zambrotta comes in for Nedved. At 65' Os Guerreiros show their class and stun the world, when Kaka superbly finds Olisadebe in the area and the great striker makes no mistake from close range and... GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! (1-1) with half-hour to go, the away goal means the Bianconeri now need 3 goals to go through! they will never get near enough chances, with solely a shot from David Trézéguet saved by Tabuas 5' from the end. They've done it, Vitoria draw and are through, Europe is shaken here!


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Oh what a day, Setubal after a victorious but lucky home tie have resisted superbly well in Torino and have answered Juve's 1st half opener. It's an immense success for a balanced, committed and talented Portuguese side who have managed the unthinkable: reach the last 4 in Europe, qualify for the Champions League semi-finals.

It's chaos in the stadium's corridor and press conference as a sheet of paper is handed over to Tito, surrounded by journalists. He looks at the results: holders AC Milan and giants FC Barcelona are out...


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AS Roma are back on their way to glory while Real Madrid finally have an opportunity to reach the final of their favourite competition again. The real surprise is Celtic who have managed an incredible upset at Camp Nou (2-3, against the run of play) and have resisted in Celtic Park. An upset for everyone except Tito, who know how incredibly talented the Scottish club is these days.

RandomPlayer
11-01-15, 09:15 PM
Força Setúbal, força RuiEsteves. Grande trabalho homem 'jovem'. Grande história.
Boa sorte pela Liga dos Campeões e pelo Campeonato Europeo. :ok:

How is Fernandes progressing? His stats when he was a 15 y.o. (Sep. '05 in game) looked very impressive. As an 18 y.o. he must have developed to some degree (although lack of game time may have stunted his growth as a player).
Any chance of a screenshot so we can compare and contrast with
http://www.champman0102.co.uk/showthread.php?t=5058&page=19

Thanks. KUTGW

RuiEsteves
11-01-15, 10:00 PM
Well... this is an unbelievable message really! You have 2 posts on the entire site (I saw your first on Harry Bow story), part of the message in Portuguese and you ask a question, out of all, about Fernandes, a completely anonymous (so far) youth player and you actually link the post in which I attached a screenshot of when he signed his pro contract, which is burried in the middle of my story. That's flabbergasting. And could mean you have actually read all 37 pages. wow, wow.

Well RandomPlayer, Tito thanks you very much for honoring Setubal's story with your visit. I hope you enjoyed it and will continue to!

Young Fernandes is now 18yr-old and about to complete his 3rd year as a professional footballer with Vitoria. He has been on offer for a loan all this time but no club seems to be interested. He has made 6 appearances for Os Guerreiros, all coming from the bench. He has also made 6 appearances (4 as a starter) with Portugal U21, getting 2 goals, 3 assists and 1 MoM. Tito Forbs actually has an eye on him since he sadly is the sole Youth Academy player whom the venerable coach thinks he may have a chance to be a starter one day. It's funny you should mention him as he played in our last game and given the impossible agenda ahead of us, Forbs is likely to use him again soon.

His attributes have improved as you can see below - but I have little experience in the game and cannot tell whether the level of the improvement can be the sign of how good he will end up being.

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Thanks again for the visit,
Rui

Kingsley
11-01-15, 10:02 PM
Draw Celtic and give them a good stuffing.

That is a great win ove Juve. Were you woried when Camoranesi scored ?

RuiEsteves
11-01-15, 10:14 PM
Draw Celtic and give them a good stuffing.

Every time I see them doing well in the CL (they have a really, really fantastic squad) I think about you ;-) I have met them twice so far (2 home wins, 2 defeats away) and... well, guess what the draw was!



That is a great win ove Juve. Were you woried when Camoranesi scored ?

Oh terribly. We had a very solid 1st half with better chances overall (and that crossbar on 4' by CR7), and Camoranesi scores 3' before half-time - a superb goal by the way. It was a blow and although it does not show in the short match write-up the start of the 2nd half was difficult (little posession, a few chances for Juve). Kaka really had a touch of class with that short pass and Olisadebe once again delivered and won his face-to-face with Buffon. There was no way my incredible defense was going to let in 3 goals after that so it was game over. It was a great quarter-finals, there was not much between both teams but this season (fingers crossed it lasts) everything seems to be going perfectly for Setubal (50 games undefeated now!!!).

kuy
11-01-15, 11:39 PM
Well done on getting through to the last four, a huge achievement! Fernandes looks like he's coming along nicely for an 18-year-old, just a question of when he hits his level and stops developing :ok:

RuiEsteves
12-01-15, 12:19 AM
This last friendly before the Euro is particularly ill-placed, most especially for Vitoria Setubal who are in the middle of an incredible sprint in 3 competitions. While they are invited to defend the Seleçéao jersey with pride, Tito asks his players to take it easy and play without any pressure for he has already made up his mind for the squad selection. Forbs has already met Croatia once and prevailed (1-0) in a friendly. The same XI as in Bulgaria starts the game :


Quim

Paulo Ferreira.............................Coutinho..... .........................Rui Marques..........................Mario Silva

Bruno Melo (c).................Petit....................Ednil son


Cr. Ronaldo..............................Boa Morte

Nuno Gomes

(Subs: Vitor Oliveira, Bruno Basto, Nélson Veiga, Bocas, Fernando Meira, Paulo Teixeira, Hugo Viana, Lourenço, Hélder Postiga)

> Apr.23, 2008 / Friendly – Croatia v PORTUGAL : 2-1 / goal: Boa Morte / assist: Nuno Gomes
Under difficult weather conditions (-1°C), Portugal play a very solid 1st half with several chances and Luis Boa Morte scores the opener on 39'. Unfortunately Babic equalizes a 1' later. No less than 7 substitutes come off the bench for the Seleção in the 2nd half, and the game is lost when Bocas concedes a penalty at the hour mark (converted by Sokota).

Forbs won't take much away from the game, other than Bocas' error which costs the game and Hélder Postiga's extreme clumsiness in the 2nd half.

Kingsley
12-01-15, 11:09 AM
The game does have a strange impression of the finances available to clubs in Scotland, and of the general standard of the players.

Were you tempted (even just a little) to rest all of the Vitoria players and play as many Sporting players as you can, with attacking mentality, hard tackling and pressing for the full 90 minutes ?

Baron Zbimg
12-01-15, 07:01 PM
Great run in the CL ! Fernandes looks good but will probably never be world class. Teixeira doing very good in Big games lately, is this the year ?

troza
12-01-15, 08:29 PM
Just keep it going until the champion's league trophy!!

RuiEsteves
12-01-15, 09:46 PM
Were you tempted (even just a little) to rest all of the Vitoria players and play as many Sporting players as you can, with attacking mentality, hard tackling and pressing for the full 90 minutes ?
No I was not because 1/ there are very few Sporting CP players in the Seleção (Litos, Beto, Hugo Viana, Lourenço) and 2/ Tito believes the title will go to Vitoria no matter what, they play too well and their lead on SCP is too wide now. I was however tempted not to field so many Setubal players in the team in order to rest them, and although I resisted and fielded the best possible XI, Tito did sub a lot of them into the 2nd half and I thought that fit rather well in the story as a way to see as many players as possible before the Euro squad is announced...

RuiEsteves
12-01-15, 09:48 PM
Great run in the CL ! Fernandes looks good but will probably never be world class. Teixeira doing very good in Big games lately, is this the year ?
Paulo Teixeira is having a superb year, he won't make it in the season's starting XI but has been involved in a lot of games. He has a serious shot at being included in the Euro squad.

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Just keep it going until the champion's league trophy!!
Thanks! we will do our very best!

RuiEsteves
12-01-15, 09:54 PM
The players’ fitness is being stretched as Felipe Oliveira (3-weeks) and Hugo Pinheiro (1-month) pick injuries. Forbs looks closely at the schedule and it’s just impossible…


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From the 27th April until 11th May (ie 15 days), Vitoria will have 7 games to play ie one every other day. This is unprecedented in the History of the club (and in my own experience of playing the CM series…). There are 5 matches left in the Liga and assuming Sporting CP win everything (they are 2 games ahead and have won both), Vitoria need 2 victories to be champions. The away game in Funchal is not the easiest, but Tito decides to save ALL starters (except Marco Tabuas) for the first leg of the Champions League semi-final. Paulo Teixeira will lead the side.

> Apr.27, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#30) – Maritimo v Vitoria Setubal : 0-2 / goals: Pena, Marajo / assist: Marajo / MoM: Marajo
Setubal “B” team delivers an amazing game at Estadio dos Barreiros, utterly dominating and finding the nets twice with Pena and Marajo. They have gone beyond what their coach expected them to do and have gotten Vitoria closer to a 3rd title.

Now that the Liga is more or less sorted, it is time to travel to Scotland for the semi-final clash against an old rival: Celtic Glasgow.

RuiEsteves
12-01-15, 10:03 PM
Real Madrid v AS Roma
Celtic Glasgow v Vitoria Setubal

This was the semi-finals draw. Setubal had met twice Scottish clubs in Europe before, twice it had been Celtic and twice in the Champions League. Very recently in fact :

- Champions League 2005/06 – Phase 2 – Celtic Glasgow (1-0, 0-2)
- Champions League 2006/07 – Phase 1 - Celtic Glasgow (0-3, 3-0)

Each time, Setubal won in Bonfim and lost at Celtic Park. Once Setubal got out of the Group and Celtic did not, the other time it was the exact opposite. So it was fair to say that things had been very much balanced; Celtic were a very strong side and finally had their chance to reach their 3rd Champions League final (after 1967 and 1970). They had considerably strenghtened their starting XI with Brazilian internationals Dédé, Evanilson, França and German start striker Miroslav Klose. They would field :


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They had managed to eliminate the great Barça. Forbs knew that the game in Glasgow would be very tough; he could however count on all his regular starters, fit and determined to mark History.

> Apr.30, 2008 / Champions League (Semi-Final, leg.1) – Celtic Glasgow v Vitoria Setubal : 1-0

1st half: the game starts strong and the Portuguese show they are not intimidated. It is however Klose that gets the first serious chance when on the 9’ his half-volley is brilliantly saved by Marco Tabuas. Setubal react on 13’ with Kaka finding Olisadebe who jumps higher than Hans-Jörg Butt… oh no, it’s too high, the goal was there! On the 21’ striker França is through on a counter-attack, he sprints and shoots from outside the area -> on the post. The Brazilian striker leaves the pitch injured 10’ later, replaced by Marco di Vaio who had scored on this very pitch last year 3 goals into the nets of Vitoria… it’s almost half-time and ex-Celtic man Bruno Melo manages to cross-in at the far post, Ednilson shoots low but Butt saves. It’s been a lively and balanced half, so far Os Guerreiros are holding out well.

2nd half: the game slows down, German Christian Timm replaces Danny Murphy. Gradually, Glasgow take control and the talent of their midfield seems above that of Vitoria. Lee Bowyer almost scores on 65’ but once again Tabuas saves the day. A minute later following a great free-kick, Klose’s head ends up centimers away from the post. And at 70’ Setubal crack; it’s another free-kick quickly played by Chivu, there’s an obvious mistake of the centre-backs (Bras is having a poor game, Coutinho a very average one) and Klose is left alone and fires the keeper from close range for the sole goal of the game (1-0). The last 20’ are a stalemate as Forbs hesitates to push a little more at the risk of being punished by a 2nd goal… Luis Figo and Rahim Ouedraogo come in but it won’t change anything and Setubal must conceded defeat.

The unbelievable run of 50 consecutive unbeaten games by Vitoria Setubal has ended in Glasgow against a very talented Celtic. The Brits may have deserved to win, but Vitoria ran them close and will have the chance to overcome them in Fortaleza Bonfim in the return leg.

kuy
12-01-15, 10:03 PM
The 'B team' did a great job there, so Forbs must be confident that he can use them again in the upcoming league games - that must be good news!

RuiEsteves
12-01-15, 10:06 PM
The 'B team' did a great job there, so Forbs must be confident that he can use them again in the upcoming league games - that must be good news!
Yes it's great news; ex-star players such as Pena and Marajo have really done him proud.

We've lost a game though, in Glasgow - that had not happened since August last year. The qualification will be very difficult. But possible.

RuiEsteves
12-01-15, 10:12 PM
Two days after the Glasgow game Vitoria host Belenenses knowing that a win will land them the Championship. Forbs fields the exact same "reserve" players that have prevailed in Funchal 5 days ago.

> May.2, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#31) – Vitoria Setubal v Belenenses : 3-0 / goals: Binho, Lassissi, Miguel / assist: Rodolfo / MoM: Rodolfo
For the “reservists” it is a moment of glory in front of the home crowd; Binho who has lost his starting slot to Bosingwa this season, is the first in action and pounds the ball in the back of the net on the 8’. On the 12’ Bruno Caires is red-carded for a reckless challenge and the crowd starts singing they are the champions. In midfield Rodolfo is having a great day and Lassissi first, then young Tiago Miguel will add 2 more goals for a much deserved and easy victory. Os Guerreiros are crowned champions!!

There are still 3 games to go in the season but Sporting CP cannot close the gap any more! For the 3rd time in their History, following the 2005 and 2006 titles, Vitoria Setubal are crowned Champions of Portugal !!! Unbeaten so far in 31 games, a monumental achievement and a much deserved championship title for Os Guerreiros who are once again on top of Portuguese football and will have a shot at another double, playing Sporting CP in the Cup Final. It’s another landmark victory for Tito Forbs – but the season is only starting and he can still grab a Cup, reach the Champions League final and has to drive the Seleção as far as possible at Euro 2008…


Two days later Setubal host Campomaiorense and Tito once again rests all his starters (bar Tabuas) and fields young guns such as Fernandes, Josinho, Hélder Mario and Paulo Luis.

> May.4, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#32) – Vitoria Setubal v Campomaiorense : 1-0 / goal: Pena / MoM: Pena
It won’t be so easy this time with a team of much younger and inexperienced players, and it’s made even worse as on 2’ young brazilian Josinho loses his head had is red-carded for a two-footed tackle. This was his very first game in the Primeira Liga and Forbs is fuming on the side-line. Campomaiorense take control and create mulitple chances, all parried by Marco Tabuas. Vitoria play better in the 2nd half and on 66’ veteran and legendary striker Pena shows his skills and finds the nets. It’s another victory, this time very lucky.

This was an opportunity to give some of the younger players game time and they’ve responded well; all expect Josinho. The Brazilian has shown poor attitude at training, disagreeing with Tito that he should be trained as a DMC rather than MC. And now this red-card 2’ into his first Liga game. That’s enough for the coach: he is summoned and immediately put on transfer-list.


In 3 days is the return leg of the semi-final. One of the biggest ever games in the History of the club. The city freezes and all talks in town are about the Celtic game: will the defense manage to shut down Klose? Will Olisadebe find the nets again in a European decider? Will the midfield trio recover from the Glasgow game in which they were dominated? Will Marco Tabuas save the day and become a hero?

kuy
12-01-15, 10:51 PM
Very tense! But you have won both the previous home games against Celtic. Do you think Setubal can finish the league unbeaten?

RuiEsteves
12-01-15, 10:59 PM
Very tense! But you have won both the previous home games against Celtic. Do you think Setubal can finish the league unbeaten?
Yes it's possible, we only have 2 games left. But frankly the entire energy of the club is focused on the return leg vs Celtic!!

Baron Zbimg
12-01-15, 11:41 PM
Huge game ahead, Celtic have a very strong team indeed but I have faith in Tito !

RuiEsteves
13-01-15, 12:09 AM
It's the face-off in Bonfim. The big day. All regular starters are fit, except França injured for Celtic who is replaced by Di Vaio.

> May.7, 2008 / Champions League (Semi-Final, leg.2) – Vitoria Setubal v Celtic Glasgow : 2-1 / goals: Bosingwa, Kaka / assists: Cr.Ronaldo, Bruno Melo / MoM: Bruno Melo

1st half: they're (1-0) up and Celtic decide to start the game very defensively. Bonfim roars and push the lads.
- during the entire first half-hour Os Guerreiros utterly dominate. They win almost every tackle, steal posesson with their midfield in control. Glasgow are in with hard tackles and resist well.
- 31': captain Bruno Melo is outstanding tonight and he sets Olisadebe free in the area, the Nigerian has time -> oh it's a perfect save by Hans-Jörg Butt.
- 40': Bosingwa crosses on the far post for Nélson Veiga -> the volley is too high
Both teams go to the dressing rooms. Setubal played better but only got one real chance. There is huge tension in the stadium, the 2nd half should be quite something.

2nd half:
- 56': Vitoria continue to press and the first cracks start to appear in Celtic's defense as following a free-kick by Cr.Ronaldo parried by Butt, Olisadebe is inches from scoring but the keeper saves again.
- 58': Bruno Melo gets the ball in front of the area and shoots -> Butt into corner-kick. It's panick in the defense, Ednilson strikes and Coutinho misses the unmissable, the German keeper saving twice and Setubal fail to open the scoreboard.
- during the following 20' Tito urges his players to take all risks and put the maximum amount of pressure.
- 77': following another attack by Os Guerreiros, Butt saves again and counter-attacks for his compatriote Miroslav Klose who resists Bras and gets into the area -> Marco Tabuas loses the face-to-face and it's a GOL! (0-1), it's the hammer blow by Celtic completely against run of play what a disaster that away goal is, barely 15' from the end...
- 80': Setubal never give up and Bruno Melo first, then Olisadebe, shoot from close range but the German international keeper seems invincible tonight.
- 84': he does let one in though as on a free-kick by Cr.Ronaldo, Bosingwa pounds a header into the side-nets for the equalizer, GOOOOL! (1-1).
- 90': it's a ray of hope, and Bonfim erupts when on the 90' following another superb pass by Bruno Melo, Kaka needs to strike twice to beat Butt again for the (2-1), GOOOOOOOOOOOOL! can Setubal pull an incredible come-back?
- they cannot, Celtic keep them away during the 4' of over-time and while the Scots cry of joy and are through on the away goal rule, Os Guerreiros are shattered that they have played so well and are out.



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It's tough. This has been one of the best games ever played by Setubal in its entire History. 23 shots, 13 on target and only 2 goals - Hans-Jörg Butt being the reason. On the other hand Celtic needed only one shot in the entire game for another German, Miroslav Klose, to score his second goal of the semi-finals. Such a complete domination, such a splendid game and to go out like this, on aggregate... a lot of people cry, Forbs himself is quite shaken. The dream is over following this cruel scenario.

RuiEsteves
13-01-15, 12:12 AM
F*ck, f*ck and one thousand f*cks. Am gutted.

Kingsley
13-01-15, 09:18 AM
There are excuses for CTRL-ALT-DEL and loosing to Celtic is one of them !

I never liked Butt

Baron Zbimg
13-01-15, 09:41 AM
Superkeepered out of the CL is very tough. Let's hope they get destroyed by Real or Roma in the final.

Now focus on the cup final and the Euro.

troza
13-01-15, 01:44 PM
So close... yet so far.

That's super bad luck.

But yesterday I lost a champion's league final (2049) where only I played... I guess that it wasn't a good day to play CM with a portuguese team...

RuiEsteves
15-01-15, 12:15 AM
There are excuses for CTRL-ALT-DEL and loosing to Celtic is one of them !

it would have spoiled the story and my fun

RuiEsteves
15-01-15, 12:17 AM
That's super bad luck.

let's say it was very harsh; but then we had the chances and were just incapable to convert...



But yesterday I lost a champion's league final (2049) where only I played... I guess that it wasn't a good day to play CM with a portuguese team...

sorry to hear that, was it with Barreirense? against whom? how many CL have you won already in your game?

RuiEsteves
15-01-15, 12:18 AM
Quick question: normally as soon as the season finishes I put all players on holiday for a few weeks. This time for the first time, I have to play the Euro. Anybody has an advise on what can be done (at least for the Setubal players which will be in the Seleção) in terms of training program both before and during the competition, in order to have them as fit as possible? any tips on how to approach the competition si also welcome.

troza
15-01-15, 10:00 AM
Answering the 2 posts: I was going for the 11th in a row and lost to Vicenza (I guess that's the name... Italian team, white background, red letters)... they made 2 shots (2 on goal), I made 15 shots but only 5 on goal. Still, my players could have done better... too many shots missed the target.

About the how many... I think that I have 26 champion's league now. I know that I lost the first 3 finals, then I won 3 in a row. Lost one final, won the next, missed the finals... then 5 in a row. After that, loss in the quarter finals (after winning the first leg... that was so stupid), won 7 in a row... then a loss in the quarter finals to a super goalkeeper (0-0 away, 0-0 at home in the 90 minutes then I lost 1-2 in overtime), then a loss in the semi-finals (1-1 away and home against Milan and then I lost in the penalties) and then I won 10 in a row! Finally, I lost the last one in the final. I guess that was my best team ever... I don't remember the first years but, for the majority of them, I know that I had 5 players that were nominated to win the FIFA world player of the year and that says something. Now I'm kind of rebuilding (can't say fully rebuilding cause I got one of those players back with 34 years old just cause).

About your EURO question... I do what I usually do: 2 week vacantion. But then I leave my normal training with everything on lightly (or whatever is called in english... everything but goalkeeper's training) on the field players and the goalkeeper with everything on lightly and intensive in goalkeeping. But I create a specific training called intensive and one called GK intensive for all the players that aren't on the competition. First one, everything Intensive with none at goalkeeping and the second with intensive on Physical and Goalkeeping, Medium in technique and light on the other 2.

Why change the majority of the players? Cause I've seen some connection with the default training programs (Geral and Goalkeeper) with the national team... Since I've done this, I've been able to manage the condition of my players in the national teams a little better. Still not perfect.

And the connection I saw first might just be a bug from this save file. I often change jobs in the national teams while I'm on pre-season. So... I would have training in intensive... when I went to a new team, I would loose lots of players cause they would always be tired with 40% or less conditioning even when I got my training back to normal. They would only get their condition back in two ways: I hired them with Barreirense and gave them proper training... the second one was me leaving the national team.

With this said... I just hope that this helps... and I just hope to see a better solution for that.

EDIT: just to say that I have more champion's league than portuguese cups... that's the only trophy that I can play with Barreirense that I'm not the club with most wins (it is Benfica with 28... and the last they won was against me when they were in the second division... lol).

RuiEsteves
15-01-15, 08:20 PM
wow... 26 Champions League... never heard that before. Amazing.

Thanks for your answer on the training schedule prior to Euro/WC, although not is clear. I understand that each player will remain while in the national squad, under the training regime of his own club. Therefore the regimes of General, etc... categories need to be maintained. But why have the other players of your club (those not participating in the international competition) undergo any training regime instead of being on vacation? that part I don't understand.

I've granted everyone a week vacation after the last Setubal game of the season (Cup final). After that (ie 2 weeks before our Euro game), I'll put the internationals back on a training regime which will be a little lighter than the standard (except for keepers) and I may adjust as the competition will go on, depending on their tiredness.

RuiEsteves
15-01-15, 08:25 PM
“You could have hardly put more heart into this, lads; you’ve made me and everyone in this country proud. It’s a tough moment, but the fans out there will remember it all their life and in addition to bitterness, there will also be a lot of pride in their memories a few years down the road. Setubal have been inches away from reaching the Champions League Final, imagine what this means and this is what people are saying now all over Europe…” – Tito tells a devastated dressing rooms after the Celtic game.

There’s a Liga game in Bonfim 2 days later and somehow the squad remobilizes for the season is not over yet.

> May.9, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#33) – Vitoria Setubal v Beira-Mar : 3-0 / goals: Mendonça (2), Rodolfo / assists: Ouedraogo, Binho / MoM: Mendonça
The “reserve” team of Os Guerreiros want to make the numerous fans proud as they walk on the pitch. Legend Pena gets into a fight after 17’ and is red-carded (for the 1st time in his career) along with Beira-Mar’s Ricardo Sousa. Setubal utterly dominate the rest of the game with a double from a great Mendonça, and a solid performance by skipper P.Teixeira.

The title is in the bag but there is one game remaining at Leiria (5th in the table) and a historical challenge for Vitoria: finish the season without having conceded any defeat. Now remobilized after the heart-breaking Champions League elimination, the regular starters throughout the season will all play that final game.

> May.11, 2008 / Pr.Liga (#34) – Leiria v Vitoria Setubal : 1-4 / goals: Olisadebe, Cr.Ronaldo, Kaka (2) / assists: Cr.Ronaldo, Coutinho / MoM: Kaka
This was by no means an easy game and for an hour Leiria created a lot of chances and held themselves really well (1-2 at half-time) in spite of early goals from Olisadebe and Cr.Ronaldo. But they were overwhelmed in the last half-hour by great Guerreiros with superb games from Marco Tabuas, Olembé, Ednilson and a double from Kaka. A last spectacular win to a formidable season.

And that was it: Setubal has not only won a 3rd Portuguese title, but they also achieved what only the great Benfica had managed twice (in 1973 and 1978): finish the Primeira Liga undefeated.

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Although Sporting CP had a great season and finished best attack, there was nothing they could do against the (28W, 6D) and 90-points of Vitoria, that and their unbelievable 15 goals conceded. While Benfica and even more FC Porto were disappointing, the real shock came from Boavista who were relegated 7 years after winning their only Liga…

What a fantastic season this has been for Os Guerreiros and Tito Forbs. The fans will never forget it, and the cherry on the cake would be winning the Taça de Portugal for the 4th consecutive year in 7 days…!

RuiEsteves
15-01-15, 08:28 PM
Let's hope they get destroyed by Real or Roma in the final.

Oh by the way before I forget: Celtic got trounced (0-3) in the CL final by AS Roma, managing a single shot on goal.

RuiEsteves
15-01-15, 10:02 PM
Without a doubt Sporting CP and Vitoria Setubal have been the best Portuguese sides this season, but also those past 4 years. Vitoria have been walking on water, invincible in the Liga and despite not having defeated Sporting in 2 years now, they will go as slight favourites into the Final of the Taça de Portugal. It will be the 4th Final between both clubs, SCP having prevailed twice (1954, 1973) and Vitoria once in 2006 (1-0) under Forbs. There are no injuries amongst regular starters on either side so this is a great clash between 2 superb teams !

> May.18, 2008 / Taça (Final) – Vitoria Setubal v Sporting CP : 2-1 (e.t.) / goals: Cr.Ronaldo (2) / assists: Olisadebe, Bruno Melo / MoM: Cr.Ronaldo

1st half: Sporting have decided to give the 51k crowd a run for their money as they set out to attack. On the 10', Vitoria lose posession in midfield which Borges is quick to transform into a decisive pass for Marius Niculae's winning header and.... GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! the Lisboa side stun their rivals and take an early lead (0-1). Os Guerreiros react immediately: on the 13' Cr.Ronaldo manages a great shot, parried by Peter Cech and 1' later, Kaka, Olisadebe and Ronaldo combine beautifully alas the latter's strike grazes the crossbar. On the 22' Cris pounds a header at goal but Marco Tabuas prevents the killer blow. Both teams have played well but Sporting are ahead at half-time.

2nd half: everything changes as Vitoria take control of the game and will never let go until the end. Sporting CP lead but are now clearly one notch below, as evidenced by the great performance of young Coutinho who rules at the back. On the 55' Nélson Veiga manages a superb crossing for Olisadebe whose header is parried by Cech; but there is nothing the great keeper can do when on the 62' Kaka crosses-in for Olisadebe who finds a free Cr.Ronaldo for the equalizer.... GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! (1-1). Posession is with Os Guerreiros but the game stalls and goes into extra-time!

extra-time: Setubal push and at 105' Olembé finds Mendonça in the area and oh! Petr Cech again parries, what a keeper he is. We are at 111' now, captain Bruno Melo has posession and he goes with a long and sublime pass in the area for Cr.Ronaldo who touches, controls, and boom! GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL he did it again and that should settle it! (2-1). Sporting throw all they can in the dying minutes, but it is Ronaldo again who almost scores a hat-trick on an amazing free-kick. Vitoria win, it's another trophy in the cabinet!
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Benfica has done it twice in the past, which is a testimony of how great this Setubal side is to have now won 4 consecutive Taça de Portugal in a row!! they've finally beaten Sporting CP and Cristiano Ronaldo, who is now 23yr-old, has been decisive during that Final.

What an amazing season this has been for the club who has only lost 2 in 59 games !!!

troza
15-01-15, 10:19 PM
Great way to end the season.

Why I get all my players in intensive training? Cause that's what I usually do. I don't do that with international players cause I like when they do well in the national teams so I try to keep them at light training so they are in condition to play for their country :P

Baron Zbimg
16-01-15, 12:02 AM
Fantastic season all around, you were very close to a treble and that would have been a fantastic final against Roma. Your squad looks very strong and deep but I count on you to maybe wheel and deal and improve again next year. Which leagues are active ? In the background ? Could you post the previous winners of CL/UEFA Cup ?

Looking forward to the Euro, Portugal will be feared outsiders with Tito at the helm.

Kingsley
16-01-15, 09:29 AM
:hail::hail::hail:

Amazing domestic season and only super keepered out of Europe. Surely you will get the ultimate prize next time around.

Portugal to win the Euros to round off a great season.

kuy
16-01-15, 12:58 PM
Amazing season - that defence! Domestic double and unbeaten in the league, surely Setubal are the pre-eminent team in Portugal now. Looking forward to seeing what transfers you make over the summer, and your assault on Europe next year!

LR
16-01-15, 03:33 PM
Agree with kuy. Your defense is looking very sharp for a non-wibwob tct.
I'm so glad to see my beloved team between all that european sharks and making history. Unlucky result against the Glasgow hoops tho.
Looking forward for the next season :ok:

RuiEsteves
16-01-15, 10:09 PM
Fantastic season all around, you were very close to a treble and that would have been a fantastic final against Roma. Your squad looks very strong and deep but I count on you to maybe wheel and deal and improve again next year. Which leagues are active ? In the background ? Could you post the previous winners of CL/UEFA Cup ?

Thanks Baron. It's been our best season so far, we've had no real downturn and the consistency of the football played has been great. Portugal is the only active league, background leagues are: England, Spain, Italy, Germany, France, Holland, Belgium and Brazil. By the way one question: if I put say England as active league but coach a team in Portugal, will the game prompt me for every game played in the English Premier League and send me news related to that league (which would be annoying)? or does it simply mean that all games will be played in the English leagues thus taking more CPU ressource and also that I can go and coach a team in England?

European Cup winners since 2002 :

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Looking forward to the Euro, Portugal will be feared outsiders with Tito at the helm.

I don't know about being feared right now, but I'd like to make sure we are once the tournament is over ;-)

RuiEsteves
16-01-15, 10:13 PM
Amazing domestic season and only super keepered out of Europe. Surely you will get the ultimate prize next time around.

Thanks Eejit. We'll try, but I have a feeling it will takes a lot of stars being aligned for us to win the CL...



Portugal to win the Euros to round off a great season.

That may be a little too much to ask ! but we'll give it all we have that's for sure.

RuiEsteves
16-01-15, 10:18 PM
Amazing season - that defence! Domestic double and unbeaten in the league, surely Setubal are the pre-eminent team in Portugal now. Looking forward to seeing what transfers you make over the summer, and your assault on Europe next year!
Thanks! yes the defense has been superb, whereas it had not been so great both seasons before that. Why? well that game is mysterious sometimes... young Coutinho is a rising star and he definitely brought something at CB this year. But the main factor has been the outstanding season of keeper Marco Tabuas. Everything he would normally do (play well, but suddenly fumble, or have a nightmarish game when it's money time, and be really inconsistent in general....) well he simply did not this year and I really have no rational explanation for that (and neither does Forbs!).

The policy is one of restraint and conservatism in terms of transfer and although I realize this is not the most exciting aspect of the story, I doubt there will be much movement next season with such a settled and pleased group as that one.

RuiEsteves
16-01-15, 10:23 PM
Agree with kuy. Your defense is looking very sharp for a non-wibwob tct.
I'm so glad to see my beloved team between all that european sharks and making history. Unlucky result against the Glasgow hoops tho.

Thanks Luis! I'm glad you like it, they are certainly doing better than Vitoria are in RL life right now (I have followed a little and they are struggling, may battle out against relegation in the end?...).

Just to clarify, since it is basically my first game at cm0102 I thought I would use a wibwob tactic. So I actually explained in the very first page of the thread (post #6) that I downloaded a tactic pack and used a quite defensive tactic called "wineandcoke", which I tweaked a little (I made it less centralized for the outside men and changed the 3 MC's to 3 DMC's). From all I read on wibwob, this has certainly contributed a great deal to Tito's successes ;-)

RuiEsteves
16-01-15, 11:03 PM
There are 5 Guerreiros in the Liga Average Rating Top10 – an unprecedented number. Better, 4 Setubal players are in the top5! however for the 3rd season in a row Romanian Marius Niculae tops the chart. Emmanuel Olisadebe had by far a better first part of the season, but the Sporting forward did an amazing second part and just nailed it. He also finished ahead of the Nigerian striker for top goalscorer and most MoM.


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There will 4 Setubal players in the Liga Team of the Year: Olisadebe, Bruno Melo, Ednilson and Marco Tabuas. Cr.Ronaldo and Bosingwa will seat on the bench.

RuiEsteves
16-01-15, 11:15 PM
It was time for Tito Forbs to send to UEFA his list of 23 names for the Euro 2008. Although Ednilson and Nuno Gomes were suspended for one game, there was no way he could do without both players. Other than that, all contenders were fit and available. There were few areas of doubt:

GK : thanks to his excellent season Marco Tabuas nailed the 3rd sport ahead of contenders such as José Moreira or Ricardo.

DL : with Pedro Henriques now too old (34) and João Morais anonymous in Segunda Liga, Bruno Basto got the 2nd spot.

DR : Rui Oscar remains a very solid player, but did not stand much chance faced with both natural leaders at that position.

DC : this had been much more of an issue for the 3rd and 4th spots. Eventually the Setubal pair of Bocas/Bras won for they had a splendid season in defense but this created uproar as the Sporting CP pair of Litos/Beto was ruled out. Litos (34) was old, had only played half the games with his club and his red-card with Portugal last November had weighed heavily. Beto could have been a back-up option but Forbs did not rate him solid enough defensively. Santamaria and Tonel had also been considered.

DMC : the only uncertainty was between Paulo Teixeira and Bosingwa; but the former nailed the 5th spot, deemed slightly more talented and decisive when coming from the bench.

AMC : Hugo Viana and Lourenço (despite being sub at Sporting for the latter) are too talented not to be included, but there was a major uncertainty for the last spot. Edgar was exiled in Mexico and his fitness was in doubt; Tiago, Semedo and Felipe Oliveira wre close but Forbs had another idea. His faithful scout Pedro Figueiredo had spent half the year scouting Brazil and called him up one day. He had found an amazing 20yr-old player and Tito was listening his scout tell him for 100th time how much of a star the kid for going to be, etc… but he was startled to hear the young star was Portuguese and had somehow started his pro career in Brazil. The coach became immediately interested, watched several videos and it came as a huge surprise when he was included in the Euro squad without having ever been called before in any Portugal international squad…
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His name was André Neves and he reminded many of the great, now retired, João Pinto (note: he is his regen, I had been looking for him for a year).

SC : no debate here, and several AMC (and even Bocas) can cover as 3rd choice.

Seleção for Euro 2008 :


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There were 9 players from Vitoria Setubal, which was enormous and did draw some critics; on the other hand Vitoria was a club that heavily relied on Portuguese players and even made a policy out of it. On the 2nd day of the training camp which was held close to Braga in northern Portugal, lef-back Mario Silva picked a serious injury and will miss the entire competition. That was a serious blow, leaving only Bruno Basto on the left wing and he clearly was not a player of international standards.

Baron Zbimg
17-01-15, 08:35 AM
Good looking team for Portugal (although surprised not to see Bosingwa after his great season) and what a season again with superb averages for a lot of players, Cristiano seems to have taken the step forward this year while Oli clearly was the missing piece of the puzzle. Ednilson and Bruno Melo still legends, where would you be without them ?

I'm not a specialist of adding leagues to the foreground, if you add one or two this shouldn't slow the game much and I'm sure you don't have a lot of updates on the leagues you don't play in, it will improve your competition for the CL though, Serie A teams seem to be destroying opposition.

troza
17-01-15, 12:16 PM
Good luck.

Don't forget to tell me what you're doing in training... I will have a world cup in half a season :P

RuiEsteves
17-01-15, 09:33 PM
Good looking team for Portugal (although surprised not to see Bosingwa after his great season) and what a season again with superb averages for a lot of players, Cristiano seems to have taken the step forward this year while Oli clearly was the missing piece of the puzzle. Ednilson and Bruno Melo still legends, where would you be without them ?

It was a very close call at DMC, between Fernando Meira (remains a solid starter with VfB Stuttgart who made it to UEFA Cup final this year), Paulo Teixeira who has been great and Bosingwa. Ronaldo has indeed had his best season in the Liga and Olisadebe gave us the raw power upfront that Pena could not give us anymore at his age. As for Ednilson and Bruno Melo, they are the pillars. I don't think Forbs would exchange them with any player in the world.



I'm not a specialist of adding leagues to the foreground, if you add one or two this shouldn't slow the game much and I'm sure you don't have a lot of updates on the leagues you don't play in, it will improve your competition for the CL though, Serie A teams seem to be destroying opposition.

I missed the bit where you say that adding a league in the foreground would improve competition in the CL??

Baron Zbimg
17-01-15, 09:35 PM
Active leagues tend to be by far the most competitive over time : more players, more transfers etc.

RuiEsteves
17-01-15, 09:37 PM
Don't forget to tell me what you're doing in training... I will have a world cup in half a season :P
After the Cup final everyone went on vacation. 2 weeks before our first game at the Euro, I called back all internationals and put them on Light: Fitness, Shooting / Medium: Skills, Tactics / None: Goalkeeping. Marco Tabuas went on his regular goalkeeping routine training. I will tell how it worked out (I've played one game so far and fitness wise, they're ok).

Which nation are you coaching in your game?

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Active leagues tend to be by far the most competitive over time : more players, more transfers etc.
ah! did not know that, thanks.

troza
18-01-15, 01:20 AM
Right now? Uruguay.

And I'm glad that everything is going fine. I only have an hard time after the group stage... But I'm glad that you're doing great. If it works, I might try it in the 2050 world cup :P

I should have been with Australia... I still haven't won the cup of that side of the globe... but I haven't won the copa america... but... Good players keep retiring and only one good has appeared... I just hope that I didn't waste a good chance.

RuiEsteves
18-01-15, 10:41 AM
@troza: not sure my training regime works any better, all players dropped to 99% before our 3rd Group game. That kind of fitness downturn may be hard-coded...?

troza
18-01-15, 10:57 AM
99% is still amazing.

I don't know about that. Let's face it... the time I spend playing with National teams is so low... and it isn't hard to not take that job as seriously as the club job :P

I have a hard time after the group stage as I always have to use some players from the bench in the quarter or semi-finals... If I need to do that with Uruguay, it won't be pretty...

EDIT: well... went to the semi finals... super luck draw until there (ok, group stage was hard with France and Portugal in there). But there were players that weren't recovering between games...

RuiEsteves
18-01-15, 10:08 PM
This was the 13th edition of the European Championship, and it was only the 5th time Portugal had managed to qualify : 1984 (semi-finals), 1996 (quarter-finals), 2000 (semi-finals), 2004 (group stage). Tito knew the pressure he had on his shoulders, especially considering his group was deemed "manageable" by the press back home. After the initial critics of his "burial" of the Golden Genereation, he was now being accused of favouring his Setubal players too much. The old coach washed that away from his mind as he was getting his team ready for the first game against hosts Switzerland. On paper, this was the easiest of all 3 games but it was the tournament's opener and the Swiss were likely to be on fire in Bern.

While Mario Silva was out for a month at LB, both Ednilson and Nuno Gomes were suspended. They were replaced respectively by Paulo Teixeira and Hélder Postiga.

> June.7, 2008 / Euro 2008, Gr.1 (#1) – Switzerland v PORTUGAL : 0-1 / Wankdorf, Bern / goal: Lourenço / MoM: Hélder Postiga

The Swiss push hard for the first 20' in front their home crowd but only get one chance by Henchoz, parried by Quim. Gradually a technically superior Seleção comes forward; Postiga sees his header parried into corner (33') and just before half-time, Boa Morte's shot is saved by keeper Gargiulo. At the start of the 2nd half the locals almost open the scoreboard when Andreas Chapuisat goes past 3 players on a counter-attack but a solid Quim saves his country again. The last half-hour is totally one-sided with the Portuguese gradually realizing they must win that game. Cr.Ronaldo twice, Fernando Meira and superb Petit also twice, all see their chances wasted or parried. It's going to the draw when on 87', sub Lourenço gets the ball following a poor goal-kick and calmly fires the keeper from close range, it's a GOOOOOOOOOOOOOL (0-1) and a deserved victory for Portugal right in the end!
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In the other game Ireland have beaten Belgium (2-0); so 5 days later the clash against Ireland already looks like the decider even more so after Belgium and Switzerland draw (0-0) earlier that day. Captain Bruno Melo picked a YC and is suspended; he is replaced by Paulo Texeira as playmaker while Ednilson skips. Ireland are an experienced and talented side who have qualified for Euro and World Cup alike since 2002.

> June.12, 2008 / Euro 2008, Gr.1 (#2) – PORTUGAL v Ireland : 0-2 / Wankdorf, Bern

The Irish start strong with their traditional fighting spirit; on 2', Duff crosses and the defense clears but the ref calls an arm-ball by Rui Mraques who looks at him in complete shock... it's a penalty! Ian Harte converts and the islanders are already ahead (0-1). What a terrible start. The Seleção reacts with Paulo Teixeira: his first header (4') is parried by Given, but his second on 9' goes into the nets... oh hold on, the ref has seen something... Nélson Veiga backing into a player, and the goal is disallowed! unbelievable. Portugal are hard done-by here. Robbie Keane wreacks havoc through the defense and his shot is too high on the 30'; but 7' later his crossing finds the header of legendary veteran Roy Keane (36yr-old) and it's the second goal! (0-2). The hammer blow here. Forbs remobilizes his troops who have been unfortunate in this first half; on 47' Cr.Ronaldo jumps higher than everyone and his header crosses superbly inside the post for a goal! ... another player is called offside by the touch judge and although harrassed by the protests of the Portuguese, the ref has no other choice but to disallow yet another goal, it's very very harsh. Short after Nélson Veiga picks an injury (1-month, competition is over) while Petit gets a YC which means he will miss the next match. Nuno Gomes is having a poor game and is subbed by Hélder Postiga and when Forbs understands his team is never going to win that match, he brings from the bench young prodigee André Neves for his first ever cap. Not much else happens in the 2nd half and Portugal concede defeat against a more experienced and also more fortunate, Irish side.
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Refereeing issues aside, it's been a very disappointing game by Portugal. It's clear that without their playmaker and captain Bruno Melo; they are not the same team. With both full backs Mario Silva and Nélson Veiga out, they now go on to prepare for their final Group game against Belgium knowing that a draw will be enough to see them through...

RuiEsteves
18-01-15, 10:43 PM
With Petit suspended and Paulo Teixeira very disappointing v Ireland, Tito decides to field Fernando Meira as central DMC. Nuno Gomes at 31-yr old is another worry for the coach as he seems less sharp than just a few months back; Forbs goes with Newcastle striker Hélder Postiga as the starter for that key game. The opponents are a strong Belgian side who were surprise semi-finalists in Portugal Euro 2004. They will however miss 3 key players in Malbranque, Baseggio and Van Buyten (injured). This is possibly Tito's most important football game as a football coach; he can really feel the pressure of coaching the Seleção and the expectations of an entire people.

> June.17, 2007 / EURO 2008, Gr.1 (#3) – PORTUGAL v Belgium : 1-1 / goal: Bruno Melo (pen)

1st half: the Portuguese look confident and take control of the game early on. On 2', a superb pass by Bruno Melo finds Paulo Ferreira whose strike in the area is countered; and on the 10', Cr.Ronaldo sees his free-kick just clipping the crossbar. Pressure mounts on keeper Erwin Lemmens; at 18', Boa Morte's header is just parried but on the 20' following a series of heated corner-kicks, the Belgian keeper chips Bruno Melo and... its a penalty! the captain keeps a cool head, puts the ball on the 11m mark and... GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! he does not tremble and it's (1-0), what a relief! Belgium is on the verge of knock-out; on 23' after a superb play, Luis Boa Morte gets the ball in the area, waits and is finally countered. At 33', Lemmens needs to save twice in front of Hélder Postiga who should have scored there. A sparkle of hope for the Red Devils when on 35' striker Vandenbergh manages past Coutinho and Rui Marques, but his shot is parried by Quim! it's been a superb half by Portugal who could have been up my more than one goal.

2nd half: Cr.Ronaldo limps on his way back to the dressing rooms and Tito needing to manage his squad, decides to sub him with young André Neves. At 45', Postiga almost finds the nets but his superb strike is parried into corner. The match then stalls a little and at the hour, Forbs takes risks and subs Bruno Melo who has picked a slight knock and striker Postiga, for Paulo Teixeira and Lourenço. Immediately after on 62', Quim parries a great chance into corner, following which sub Jan Fierens pounds a superb equalizer! oh it's (1-1) the game is far from over! suddenly losing confidence, the Portuguese will shake until the last minute. Rui Marques makes a superb life-saving tackle on 77' and at 85', De Wree's header should have gone in but is amazingly too high... 2' before the end of the game, Neves almost gets a 2nd goal but his header is also too high... it's the end of a great game which saw Belgium come back. It's a deserved qualification for Portugal, but it was very close
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Portugal are through with (1W, 1D, 1L). They have not looked the real deal during this group phase, but they manage to qualify and are in the quarter-finals ! Tito Forbs kicks himself for having taken the risk of resting 3 key players during the 2nd half, which is maybe what let Belgium back in the game.


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All the big boys have also qualified with one exception: World vice-champions Italy who finished 3rd of their group behind Romania and Spain. It's all over for Emmanuel Olisadebe and Poland, last of their Group. This is what the quarter-finals look like :


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RuiEsteves
18-01-15, 10:54 PM
@troza: against Portugal in the WC, that means you played against most of your Barreirense Portuguese players then? must have felt weird... did you win? who did you lose to in the semis?

Am going into the quarters now and some players have not gotten back to 99% fitness as they should have, a few were "in need of rest" at the end of our Belgium game. Fitness definitly an issue in my team selection as I have the choice between a few starters with 90-92% fitness and their subs at 99%. Not an easy decision for a cut-off game like that. By the way I thought the squad could be re-arranged after Group stage, and a few players brought in?

troza
19-01-15, 11:26 AM
I have more issues in the WC than in Euro (in Copa America I have no problems) and I guess that's that time between the games after the group stage... in that time, it is like I'm not in a competition so they recover "in the clubs"... something like that.

But I play with no patch... I just hope that you don't have that problem... although it seems that you're starting to have. Has the game made the end of the season procedures (aka, the two loading bars between 17th and 19th June...)? I always have my problems right after that.

Against Portugal... they didn't take any of my players... I'll admit that I only use a few... One of my best players wanted to leave with 33 and he was the only portuguese in the starting 11. Then I use one defender, one middlefielder (he is usually called... but for some reason, he wasn't... when he didn't play he was always there... now I used him on the league and he was left at home) so... it just felt good. But I've played with Germany against Portugal and they had some players that were mine (and some former-players) in the starting 11...

I lost against Argentina... 1-0... played well actually... they have my 2 top stars of Barreirense: Godoy (saviola regen if I'm not mistaken) and Gauna (I would say Aimar but he can also be Riquelme... I don't know...). They are the reigning best players in the world: Gauna by Fifa (for a record 6th time) and Godoy with the other prize (4th time in a row)... and Godoy was the second by Fifa and Gauna in the other... They didn't play that well (Gauna was super tired) but they scored, I didn't... we played equally but they got the win. At least I lost to a better team and one that I didn't mind to loose against (I'll explain why... and I really need to start taking prints... it helps a lot).

Then I lost against Brazil and ended in the 4th place. I really don't play well against them and I don't know why.

By the way... Argentina won the world cup with Godoy being the star of the final (3-2 vs england... godoy scored and made one assist). Gauna was to tired... still ended with 7 if I'm not mistaken.

So... Godoy was the leader when Argentina won the olympic games, now he was the best player in the final (there were better players on other games) and he has done some crazy good seasons for me (once he ended with more than 8.50 on the champions league in 13 games... he was already the top scorer of one edition, in the last one he scored 5 goals since the quarter finals in the 8 Barreirense scored... and made one assist, although I have to check that... I guess that he was the one that suffered a foul for penalty) and now has won the world cup. I'm really regretting not starting him since he arrived with 18 or 19 years old (ok, he was a started in the league... but my starting 11 rarely plays in the league as I want them fresh for the champions league) but he is catching on... and he is still only 29 years old.

By the way... he has won 11 champions league, if I'm not mistaken... and 11 league titles (he didn't play enough games in the first semi-season he had in Barreirense (he arrived in January... but he was on the bench in the champions' league final!).

And I had other players in the world cup but it weren't many: 1 for Ukraine (I have 2 internationals there but one was injured at the time of the call), 1 for Germany (the last one from the german wagon that came to Barreirense some years ago)... and I can't remember now the last one. I guess that I had 5... I know that my dutch forward wasn't called (even when he is one of the best players of that team and was european footballer of the year), no players for sweeden, greece wasn't there... maybe it was my player from Norway... bah, I'll check that if you really want. I guess that I have a save file right at the end of the world cup (just in case I get some error, it doesn't impact the world cup... I don't want to loose any more competitions like I did with confederations cup :P)

But let's talk about what matters... you are in the quarter finals and that's what matters. I guess that you did what I usually do with Barreirense: rest players for the big games... but with National teams, you better not do that... you take them as far as you can (I had to leave my best player on the bench against Argentina (not sure) and Brazil if I'm not mistaken... he was at 84% against Brazil... I'll need to check vs Argentina as I might have rested him against Romania... but I'll need to check). The good thing? I had an easy draw until there and I actually had a good option for that place :P

Kingsley
19-01-15, 04:32 PM
You qualified, but it wasn't pretty. Very lucky to draw Romania when Ireland get Spain. Time to find your top form.

RuiEsteves
19-01-15, 09:22 PM
@troza: yes the game switches to new season around June 18/19, so a few days before the QF. Thanks for all the insights on your game - you should post screenshots in the Lounge, or better start your own story!

@The Eejit: not pretty indeed, but am through. Romania have a mean lookig squad though.

RuiEsteves
19-01-15, 09:38 PM
Romania was a different story. Quarter-finalists of the 2006 World Cup and 2004 Euro, they may not be footballing superpowers but were outsiders for the title having convincingly beaten Italy (3-1) in the Group stage. They had several stars in their ranks with Cosmin Contra, Cristian Chivu and Adrian Mutu, while 3 of their players played in the Portuguese Primeira Liga: keeper Radu Bar (just joined Campomaiorense), Satmar (the superb FC Porto left-back) and the best player of the Championship who had also been Setubal’s nemesis for the past few years - Marius Niculae, the fearsome Sporting CP striker.

On the Portuguese side, there was no suspended player this time - while Mario Silva and Nélson Veiga were still out injured. Fitness was beginning to be a worry for most of the squad but all players were still above the 90% line; the coach did not therefore have much hesitation and fielded his best possible starting XI, with Hélder Postiga now having the edge over Nuno Gomes who would sit on the bench. There was no need for much pre-match talk: the pressure was off the shoulders of the Seleção who had exceeded expectations having reached the quarters; any further progress would be writing History and all players knew that very well. Atmosphere amongst them was now really good after a month of being together. It was time to deliver.

> Jun.21, 2008 / Euro 2008, Quarter-Final – Romania v PORTUGAL : 0-2 / Parc Saint-Jacques, Bâle / goals: H.Postiga, André “Pinto” Neves / assist: Cr.Ronaldo / MoM: H.Postiga

1st half: this could be a great game of football here in Basel as both teams seem set to attack!
- 17’: Ednilson has the vision and sees his Setubal team-mate in the area, he controls, aims and… it’s narrowly over!
- 18’: keeper Bar has a poor goal-kick, Cr.Ronaldo resists a tackle and passes for Hélder Postiga in the area, the Newcastle striker aims low and GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL! (0-1), yes, Portugal open fire early on what a key goal this is!
- 22’: Romania will react and have dangerous forwards, here is Rosu in the area but his shot is too wide.
- 25’: Postiga has a superb game well worth the confidence of his coach, he works hard on the right flank of the area and manages a crossing for Cr.Ronaldo -> his header is too high.
- the game stalls a little as Romania struggle to push into Portugal’s territory.
- 44’: we’re just before half-time and super Postiga is on fire and goes on a solo run past 4 defenders (!), he gets in the area and oh no! what a save by Radu Bar this is, he keeps his team in the game and prevents the killer blow just before half-time!

2nd half: Tito sees his players tiring; young Coutinho has reached exhaustion point and the coach decides that Bocas will hold the fort at CB.
- 52’: Romanians are back with strong intentions, they now build on the wings with both Munteanu’s and are dangerous, but Quim delivers a superb save on Vlad! Corner-kick, and the great Niculae jumps higher than everyone and it takes a life-saving tackle by Rui Marques to prevent a goal, oh what a great defense this has been.
- 62’: Portugal do have quite some flair as Postiga, Cr.Ronaldo and Boa Morte combine superbly but veteran Iulian Filipescu comes in with a superb tackle and steals posession before the strike.
- 65’: another corner-kick for the yellows, Niculae towers once again above all and Quim! oh he tipped it, the whole stadium stood up thinking it was the equalizer but Santa Clara’s keeper is just immense today!
- 68’: Boa Morte is limping, he can’t carry on any longer and young André Neves is in for this 3rd cap.
- 72’: Romania seems bound to score as they continue to push, Niculae has a great run and offloads to Codrea whose shot is wide, oh poor finish here…
- 75’: Codrea falls down in the area! Has Bruno Melo taken his leg away? The ref hesitates, looks at the touch judges… and he waves to play on. Close call here.
- 80’: another devastating run on the left flank by Satmar who crosses-in the area -> oh Quim saw it coming and secures the ball in the air.
- 81’: Ednilson who had a great game, picks a slight knock and here comes Paulo Teixeira. The Vitoria midfielder is on fire as determined as ever, and will have a great impact in the last 10’, tackling all he can.
- 85’: it’s a counter-attack now and the ball falls to André Neves who goes into a great solo run, will he make it he is now in the area and oh it’s in! the whole of Portugal erupts as their young star has scored a GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOl, it’s (0-2) and that seals it!
- it’s over! The Seleçéao is in the semi-finals, what a superb game and what a result this is!
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It’s an amazing feeling. The team has finally delivered, on D-day against a superb opposition: a true reference game. A group is born which has now equalled the Golden Generation by reaching the semi-finals of the Euro. It’s impossible to describe the atmposhere post-match in the dressing room, the star of the show being young André Neves who was completely unknown in Portugal a month ago. A famous journalists will praise the next day the flair and composure of the young man, his technical skills mixed with raw power reminding of the great João Pinto; he is coined André “Pinto” Neves in the press and from now on, will be known as “Pinto Neves” to all.

Forbs made the right choices, tactically and technically. His leaders: Quim, Manuel Rui Marques, the midfield and Hélder Postiga have all delivered superbly. All 3 subs have also showed great fighting spirit and at a time when Romania pushed very hard and created many chances.

All 4 quarter-finals were close matches, but France and Spain qualifications were quite logical. Germany on the other hand, in a remake of Euro 2004 Final (won by England), were dominated and therefore quite fortunate to go through.


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World Champions France, Germany, Spain and …Portugal are in the last four. It sounds like a dream.

RuiEsteves
19-01-15, 10:23 PM
Spain will face-off with Germany which means Portugal will play… FRANCE! The French have been the nemesis of Portuguese football at the Euro, having eliminated them twice at this stage of the competition and on both occasions it was tight , superb games: in 1984 against the amazing team of Michel Platini & co (2-3, e.t.), and in 2000 against what was then the best team in the world (1-2, e.t.). This time again the clash seems unbalanced as France have just recaptured in Germany 2006 their World Cup title (vs Italy in the final) – although a few key players are not in the current squad anymore due to age/retirement (F.Barthez, L.Thuram, R.Pires) or injury (M.Silvestre, T.Henry).

The French team relies on several superb players: W.Gallas, P.Mexès, W.Sagnol in defense, S.Dalmat, P.Vieira and B.Cheyrou in midfield and the amazing David Trézéguet in attack – arguably their best player and one which Os Guerreiros have had to deal with in this year’s Champions League quarter-final vs Juventus. Fitness is an issue for their squad as it is for all left in the competition and they have 6 starters below the 90% fitness mark (Trézéguet being the lowest at 83%).

On Portugal’s side, although morale is at its highest, things are no better in terms of fitness. Mario Silva (90%) could play but is still recovering from his injury and Nélson Veiga is ruled out. The situation is as follows :

- Bruno Basto : 79%
- Paulo Ferreira : 84%
- Rui Marques : 85%
- Coutinho : 88%

- Petit : 87%
- Bruno Melo : 87%
- Ednilson : 89%

- Cr. Ronaldo : 82%
- H. Postiga : 84%
- Boa Morte : 86%

They have all started the game vs Romania and fielding the same XI in the semi-final would be suicide. It would mean playing the 2nd half with 7 players (out of 10 field players, assuming 3 substitutions) ~60-70%. Tito decides the following:

- Nuno Gomes would start ahead of Hélder Postiga and bring his long experience in such a key game (105 caps);
- young star “Pinto” Neves would start instead of Luis Boa Morte who had been disappointing so far and Cr.Ronaldo would be subbed at half-time;
- Paulo Teixeira had impressed in the last 10’ of the quarter-final, he would start ahead of Ednilson who will probably come from the bench at some point;
- defense was the toughest; Mario Silva was still injured (groin) but he would start for Bruno Basto was exhausted. The rock Rui Marques would step-out and Forbs decided to trust his Setubal pair of Bras-Coutinho who had done a great job vs Juventus and Trézéguet.

Alea jacta est, thought the old coach as the lads entered the Parc Saint-Jacques which had become their pet stadium after the superb victory over Romania. They had nothing to lose and would look at creating at unbelievable upset against the World Champions.

troza
19-01-15, 10:54 PM
Yay for having a strategy! :)

RuiEsteves
19-01-15, 11:10 PM
> Jun.25, 2008 / Euro 2008, Semi-Final – PORTUGAL v France : 0-1 / Parc Saint-Jacques, Bâle

1st half: the French are in an attacking spirit tonight; they’ve left Gallas, Sagnol and Cheyrou on the bench.
- 3’: it’s Reveillère on the right flank causing panic, he crosses-in for Dalmat who shoots -> Quim shows safe hands.
- 6’: this time Banogo finds Dalmat in the area and again, the Portuguese keeper parries. French pressure is enormous.
- 10’: Govou breaks free and offloads for Bamogo who fires low – Quim dives and secures the ball. Portuguese defense has really suffered during those first 10’.
- 11’: Coutninho sounds the rebellion with a superb tackle on Trézéguet, the counter-attack is quick and Bruno Melo finds Cr.Ronaldo who tries to lob Landreau but the keeper flicks the ball.
- 12’: immediately after Agathe breaks free once again on the right flank with Mario Silva completely lost, he has time and finds Trézéguet -> his header is parried, he goes on the rebound but oh! Quim you legend, double save against the star striker. What a keeper Portugal has found here!
- 28’: following a poor goal-kick, Dalmat gets posession and he lobs Quim, it’s in the nets… hold on, an offside had been called oh Portugal are fortunate here but they do suffer tremendously.
- 30’: a long range volley by Sidney Govou is narrowly over.
- 36’: from 25m out, Trézéguet tries his luck but Quim is there solid as ever.
- it’s getting crazy before half-time with an outclassed Portuguese midfield battling hard to get some posession and a platform to attack, it’s tackles left and right. Both teams go into the dressing room on parity (0-0), but clearly the World Champions have been better and dominated every facet of the match so far, prevented from scoring only because of the sheer class of keeper Quim.

2nd half: Petit has picked-up an injury and is subbed by Ednilson. Bruno Melo is also diminished but he stays on the pitch, unlike an exhausted Cr.Ronaldo subbed by Lourenço.
- 46’: Lourenço is quick in action with a great solo run, he sprints into the area but is dispossed by a superb tackle from Vieira.
- 51’: Bamogo goes out and is replaced by Arsenal winger Bruno Cheyrou.
- 57’: Cheyrou now with a free-kick, it’s beautiful and he finds Govou’s header for the GOOOOOOOOOOOOL, oh no this time Quim can do nothing about it and Portugal have seen it coming and it’s there, France scores! (0-1).
- outclassed and deprived of solution, the Lisutanians lose easy posession and are getting nowhere. Although his entire defense is exhausted (except Bras), Forbs decide to send in Hélder Postiga replacing an invisble Nuno Gomes (70’). On the French side, Trézéguet is subbed by Mansaré.
- there is an immediate impact as Portugal start combining well with their attacking trio of Lourenço, Pinto Neves and H.Postiga – but French center-backs are very solid.
- 80’: Mario Silva tries a direct free-kick but Landreau holds well.
- 89’: finally a great combination on the left flank with Mario Silva, French defense in the area panicks and the ball falls to Bruno Melo who can equalize -> oh Mickaël Landreau with a life saving dive, well done!
- it’s over! France really were too strong and they eliminate Portugal in a Euro semi-final for the 3rd time in History!
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Portugal are out and they are quite frustrated with the game they have played, deprived of posession and dominated by the World Champions. They did manage a few opportunities but not enough to look like they could cause an upset. It’s the end of the adventure and the Federação is quick to announce that they want to carry on with Forbs until the 2010 World Cup. The coach has already taken his decision – he will continue with the national team for 2 more years.

Germany overcome Spain in the other semi (1-0) and the Final between both arch-rivals is a thriller (2-2) but the Germans prevail in the penalty shoot-out and are crowned European Champions!

The best players of the tournament for Portugal have been keeper Quim (32), CB Manuel Rui Marques (30), DMC Petit (31) and striker H.Postiga (25). The revelation is definitely young Pinto Neves (20). They’ve made their country proud and the renewal of Portuguese football is under-way with this great achievement.

RuiEsteves
19-01-15, 11:46 PM
Once all the interviews in Portugal had been done following the return of the Seleção from Switzerland, all international players quickly went on vacation and in Setubal at least it was agreed that they would resume training a month after their team-mates. Tito Forbs on his side, did not go on vacation - what for? - and instead went into deeper analysis of the stats of this memorable 2007/08 season.

First the Starting XI with 5 changes from last year (Marco Tabuas, Olembé, Coutinho, Bosingwa, Olisadebe), a younger team (26.2 in average) and M.Tabuas as the only player from the Youth Academy. The 5 subs are those who have played enough Liga games to be officially granted the Champions of Portugal title.


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It was now time for the traditional position by position season wrap-up.

RuiEsteves
20-01-15, 12:07 AM
- Marco Tabuas (31) / 46 app - 23 conceded, 1 MoM / 7.43. Member of the Primeira Liga Team of the Year.
The iconic Setubalian regained his slot between the sticks and had a phenomenal season for his club of heart; he conceded the same amount of goals as last year, having played 46 games vs... 19! At 31yr-old he is at his peak and made it for the 3rd time in the Primeira Liga Team of the Year. Forbs selected him for the Euro where he watched Portugal reach the semis from the bench.

- Hugo Pinheiro (27) / 13 app - 8 conceded / 7.00
A starter in 2006/07, Pinheiro was outclassed by Tabuas this season and lost his slot. Unable to gear up into the next level, his future at the club is now one of a substitute.

- Ricardo Neves (19) / unused. The young 3rd keeper never got a chance to show his skills; his weakness in Jumping will hinder his career in any case.

Well... Marco Tabuas' season came out of nowhere and has solved, for the time being, any doubts over the goalkeeping position at the club.

RuiEsteves
20-01-15, 12:19 AM
- Salomon Olembé (27) / 39(2) app – 8 ass / 7.22
As expected following his solid half-season last year, his defensive solidity and great crossing ability earned him the starting position. 8 assists is a lot for a wing-back. An asset, definitely.

- Rahim Ouedraogo (27) / 22(12) app – 5 ass / 7.03
The Burkinabé had a solid season as the n°1 defensive substitute both on left and right flanks. He's a precious member of the squad.

- Taribo West (34) / 2(1) app / 6.33
His season was shattered by his 10-month cruciate ligaments injury. Can he recover and challenge for a slot again, at 34-yr old? only 1 year left on his contracts...

Although young Tiago Miguel could now also cover at LB, there may be a lack of depth if Taribo West was to leave the club before his contract expired...

RuiEsteves
20-01-15, 12:32 AM
- Nélson Veiga (30) / 40(1) app – 2 goa, 5 ass, 2 MoM / 7.34
The 7th consecutive season as a starter for Os Guerreiros; a Vitoria without Nélson Veiga would not sound right anymore. Did enough to be picked at Euro 2008 but an injury vs Ireland ended his competition.

- Saliou Lassissi (29) / 16(9) app – 1 goa, 2 ass / 6.92
Another consistent season for the Ivorian sub. Has finally accepted to renew his contract, apparently now happy with his role at the club.

- Tiago Miguel (20) / 2(7) app – 1 goa / 7.22
A very promising start at the club for the young U21 International. Useful and versatile back-up solution for both wing-backs slots.

- Paulo Luis (17) / 0(2) app / 6.00
Managed 2 appearances for his 2nd pro season. Still very fresh and raw.

No changes needed now that Lassissi has decided to stay; enough depth.

Kingsley
20-01-15, 08:52 AM
Now this story is just becoming too unrealistic. The Germans winning on penalties ! It would just never happen !

That was bad luck against France. You pushed them all the way, but just one mistake/moment of magic and the game is won. Glad to see Tito will carry on though. Lets land that elussive European title.

troza
20-01-15, 10:45 AM
France again? NOOOOOO :P

Well... it happens... Still, semi finals is pretty good and I'm just glad they didn't win against Germany :P

RuiEsteves
20-01-15, 08:51 PM
@Eejit: we resisted well and could have equalized in the end, but they were simply a better team. Their midfield alone (Dalmat - Vieira) was too much to handle for us.

@troza: yep, France again for the 3rd time in a Euro semi-final...!

RuiEsteves
20-01-15, 09:31 PM
- Coutinho (19) / 38 app – 1 ass / 7.11
It did not take long for the young star to secure a starting slot ahead of Bocas, at the age of 19. Impressive in the tougher European games against world-class forwards, he also became a defensive cornerstone of the Seleção and had a solid Euro 2008 (including the semi-final). The future of Portuguese football !

- Bras (31) / 42 app – 1 ass, 1 MoM / 7.02
Another solid season (the 4th as a starter!) for the center-back, who played a key role in the incredible overall defensive performance of Vitoria. He did however collect an atrocious 3 red-cards (one of which undeserved), a terrible record. He got his first international cap and played the Euro 2008 semi-final vs France.

- Bocas (27) / 20(2) app – 1 ass / 7.14
Got pushed out of his starting slot by young Coutinho, but still got a fair share of appearances as a starter and was very solid (except a red-card at Udine which could have cost dearly). Regularly called-up in the Seleção, he made only one appearance at Euro 2008, in the quarter-final v Romania when he came from the bench.

- Pape Malik Diop (33) / 10 app / 6.80
Now 4th choice at CB, the Senegalese rock does not seem capable to fight for a starting slot at 33yr-old. With one unprotected year left on his contract, he could opt to leave the club next season…

- Eric Matoukou (24) / 5(1) app / 7.33
Again very little game time for the Cameroonian international, but solid when he appeared. Adds depth to the CB position.

- Pepe (25), Nuno Rodrigues (21) / unused. No offer for either player who are still on transfer-list. Forbs does not count on them.

A great defensive performance throughout the season and enough depth at CB: no recruitment needed for the position.

RuiEsteves
20-01-15, 10:01 PM
- Bruno Melo (c) (26) / 36 app – 5 goa, 9 ass, 9 MoM / 8.03. Member of the Primeira Liga Team of the Year. 3rd Best Player of the Liga.
Where would Setubal be without their captain? He was tempted to leave the club during the winter when AC Milan put in a huge bid for him, before changing his mind. In spite of a 3-months injury in autumn, he came back and delivered another stellar peformance, finising 3rd Best Player of the Liga and member of the Team of the Year for the 4th time in his career (only Brazilian Argel, from Benfica, has done better with 6 nominations in 7 years). As evidenced when he was suspended in the Euro 2008 game v Ireland, he is also the playmaker and cornerstone of the Seleção which he led to a superb semi-final. He is still young, and Tito can only hope he will be comfortable remaining at Vitoria; there is nevertheless an understanding that should he wish to leave, Forbs would not prevent it.

- Ednilson (25) / 42 app – 1 goa, 6 ass, 2 MoM / 7.76. Member of the Primeira Liga Team of the Year.
5th consecutive starting slot at Vitoria for legend Ednilson (at only 24yr-old !), although he had less impact in the midfield with fewer goals, assists and MoM than the previous seasons. Was however named for the 4th time (like Bruno Melo) in the Liga Team of Year, an amazing achievement. He remains as solid as ever, and has also been a cornerstone of the Seleção during Euro 2008.

- Bosingwa (25) / 36(1) app – 1 goa, 1 ass, 1 MoM / 7.54
He finally made it! It took him 6 seasons, but in a very crowded midfield he managed to secure a starting slot at central DMC (ahead of Binho and Rodolfo). Consistent and solid, he even finished 8th Best Player of the Liga and missed out on the Euro squad by very little. Will look to confirm next season, maybe try to add a little more offensive punch and will strive to finally break into the Seleção.

- Paulo Teixeira (27) / 24(16) app – 7 goa, 4 ass, 3 MoM / 7.53
What a year for Teixeira! Incredible when he had to step-in for injured Bruno Melo, he is the super-sub both for Vitoria and also the Seleção. Forbs trusts him so much that he is given the armband whenever a “reserve” team is fielded. Now has 8 appearances for Portugal and he actually started the Euro 2008 semi-final. Can he finally manage a starting position for Setubal next year?

- Rodolfo (23) / 24(4) app – 2 goa, 4 ass, 1 MoM / 7.36
A very solid season for the still young Brazilian midfielder, adding depth to the position and willing to fight for a starting slot next year.

- Binho (30) / 11(4) app – 2 goa, 2 ass / 7.13
After an average start of the season, he lost his starting slot at central DMC (which he had held for 4 years) to Bosingwa. He did deliver a few very solid games towards the end of the season though. Still a challenger with a great fighting spirit, but with only one unprotected year left on his contract, he does not seem willing to extend…

- Josinho (19) / 3(2) app – 1 goa, 1 ass, 1 MoM / 7.60
In spite of his obvious talent, the young Brazilian clashed with the coach after his unprofessional red-card in the opening minutes of his first Liga game as a starter. Added to his constant bickering about his training regime, Forbs decided to transfer-list him. He is now unlikely to appear again for Setubal.

- Fernandes (18) / 1(4) app / 6.80
The Young Academy player has improved and remains an asset for the future. Still available for loan for experience’s sake.

- Luis Andrade (34) / 0(3) app / 6.33
The end of the road for the veteran club legend. There are rumours he may retire soon?

- Sérgio Daniel (18), Tiago Pereira (19), Paulo Rocha (20), Armando Rosa (20) / unused. All 3 Academy players + Paulo Rocha remain available for loan. Little progress and hence little hope to be serious contenders one day.

The engine room of Os Guerreiros. Plenty of depth when you have on the bench players such as P.Teixeira, Rodolfo and Binho. No recruitement needed.

kuy
20-01-15, 10:18 PM
I hadn't realised Ednilson was only 24, seems like he's been around forever! Most of the starting XI are just coming into their prime, Bras (so far) is the oldest and also the lowest-rated - does Forbs have any plans to bring in a superstar central defender?

RuiEsteves
20-01-15, 10:37 PM
I hadn't realised Ednilson was only 24, seems like he's been around forever! Most of the starting XI are just coming into their prime, Bras (so far) is the oldest and also the lowest-rated - does Forbs have any plans to bring in a superstar central defender?
Actually I made a mistake, Ednilson is 25 and will turn 26 in 2 months time. I will correct it. A superstar CB? it may have crossed Tito's mind especially after Bras collected 3 red-cards; although our defense could hardly be better than what it was last season. But such players - with the self-imposed restrictions - are not easy to find...

RuiEsteves
20-01-15, 10:58 PM
- Cristiano Ronaldo (23) / 38 app – 13 goa, 10 ass, 4 MoM / 7.58
Another very good season especially in the Liga, finishing 5th Best Player and delivering the most assists of the entire squad. Was sometimes anonymous in the biggest European games. A pillar of the Seleção, he was a key player during Euro 2008. May be able to continue to improve as he gradually reaches maturity.

- Kaka (26) / 44 app – 16 goa, 8 ass, 4 MoM / 7.41
Although brilliant at times and having bagged an impressive number of goals for an AMC, he lacked consistency and sometimes provided weak performances. If he manages to maintain his best level for a longer period of time, has the potential to be one of the best players of the Portuguese Championship.

- Luis Figo (35) / 2(35) app – 5 goa, 5 ass / 7.05
At 35yr-old the Portuguese star is enjoying his role as a supersub for Vitoria which earned him a 2nd Portuguese title. Started weakening towards the end of the season. Some advocate now is a good time to retire. One year left on his contract.

- Mendonça (25) / 17(10) app – 8 goa, 2 ass, 3 MoM / 7.41
The Angolan had a lot of game time and has delivered several superb games. Great offensive punch. Serious asset at AMC.

- Felipe Oliveira (24) / 9(7) app – 6 goa, 2 ass, 2 MoM / 7.38
Similar number of appearances as last season, for roughly the same result: very solid, interesting back-up option. The talent of Oliveira probably deserves better than being n°4 or n°5 AMC at Vitoria, and with a single unprotected year on his contract, he has not been willing to extend yet.

- Marajo (27) / 9(3) app – 6 goa, 3 ass, 2 MoM / 7.42
Did not start so many games since the 2002/03 season. He was good and sometimes decisive, though not enough to challenge for a starting slot. Happy with his role as a supersub, adds great depth to the position.

- Paulo Antunes (18) / 1 app / 7.00
The Academy player got one start on his first pro season. Available on loan.

- Hélder Mario (22) / 1 app / 7.00
The U21 international appeared only once. His contract has not been renewed, he will leave Setubal at the interseason.

- César Silva (21) / unused. His contract is finishing, will be leaving the club at interseason.

Enough talent, but with several departures lined-up Tito may look at recruiting a young, promising profile.

RuiEsteves
20-01-15, 11:04 PM
- EMMANUEL OLISADEBE (29) / 43 app – 30 goa, 7 ass, 12 MoM / 8.07. Member of the Primeira Liga Team of the Year. 2nd Best Player of the Liga. 2nd Best Scorer of the Liga. 2nd nb. MoM of the Liga. Fans Player of the Year.
Until January, Olisadebe was simply phenomenal averaging at 8.60 and stunning Europe (such as with his hat-trick in Eindhoven). It’s a shame the Nigerian striker did not maintain the same stunning performances until the end of the season, which means on average he was simply excellent. He made a big difference for Vitoria this year, bringing an offensive punch an older Pena was not capable of delivering anymore. Was outdone by Marius Niculae on the finish line as best player, best scorer and most MoM. He was Turning 30 soon, but Tito hopes he has at least another season at that level in the bag. He grabbed the title of best Guerreiro of the season and adored by the fans, they named him their player of the year also. What a year!

- Pena (34) / 11(8) app – 8 goa, 2 ass, 2 MoM / 7.53
The Setubal legend, 4 times starter and twice best player for Vitoria, could not compete against Olisadebe. He humbly accepted his status as a sub and still gifted Bonfim with several superb performances and 8 goals in only 11 starts. With only a year left on his contract, he does not seem willing to renew…

- Ricardo (23) / 2(4) app – 1 goa / 7.17
After his disappointing season last year and in spite of efforts at training, Ricardo got little game time. Next season should be his chance to impress as the main sub behind Olisadebe and ahead of an ageing Pena.

- João Paiva (25), Tiago Mota (27) / unused. What a waste to see such good players wasting their careers in Vitoria; Forbs has transfer-listed but no one has shown much interest. At least in a year J.Paiva’s contract finishes…

Olisadebe remains superb even at 29, but the position may lack some amount of depth. Forbs might be on the lookout for a promising youngster…?

RuiEsteves
20-01-15, 11:12 PM
As Forbs was settling down in July while all were on vacation, he found an enveloppe on his desk one morning. It was sealed from the board of directors. What did they want? he read through the usual congratulations for the season, saw that they expected a challenge for the Primeira Liga title again next year, and then at the end this :


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Who were they to infringe into his own prerogatives? what did they know about squad build-up? that was a very disturbing message to pass, was there something that he should know, happening behind the scenes?

(I have never had the message before. Basically, what does it mean? why would they say such a thing, because the player is not good compared to the rest of the team? other reasons? what happens if I keep him in?)

RuiEsteves
20-01-15, 11:27 PM
There was another letter on the desk. The name of Tito Forbs was hand-written, the old coach opened it.. he read... tears rolled down his cheeks. Thanking him for all the trust he put in him, like a son to his father, was one of the most illustrious Guerreiros DMC Luis Andrade, officially announcing the end of his career at the age of 34. He had started in Estoril at 19 and played pro football during 16 years, always in Portugal: Estoril (3), Estrela Amadora (1), Belenenses (2), Benfica (2), Braga (1) and Setubal (7). He was a solid midfielder but his fate took a sharp turn when coach Tito Forbs decided to recruit him from Benfica B in July 2001 and use him as his central DMC for 4 seasons, and his main anchor man and grafter. Forbs admired his Bravery and Determination, Andrade would never give up; he was a starter 4 years at Vitoria, finishing 5th Best Player of the Liga in 2001/02. He played in total 192 games for Setubal, with 10 goa, 8 ass and 8 MoM - winning 2 Championships.


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Luis Andrade played a key part in the 2004 UEFA Cup Final and also in the 2005 Taça de Portugal Final. He also scored the only goal of the 2006 Supercup v Sporting CP. But the most emotional moment of all was probably when Tito gave him his first and only cap for the Seleção on Nov.15, 2006 in a friendly v Spain. A dream come true.

Forbs wrote back wishing him all the best for whatever he may been doing in his next life, reminding him that he would always be welcome at Bonfim. He had just lost one of his most faithful Guerreiros. As it happened, simultaneously Senegalese striker Fary also announced his retirement from professional football. He had been a subsitute for Maritimo during the past 3 years since leaving Setubal.

RuiEsteves
21-01-15, 12:07 AM
Benfica had to recruit if they wanted to get back into the now "Four Grandes" competition with Sporting, Porto and Setubal. They had targeted Vitoria's and Portugal (1 cap) Forward Felipe Oliveira for a while and put in a bid at £2m. Forbs hesitated, he liked the player who was really talented and only 24yr-old. But he only had a single year on his contract and no intention to continue being bench material. A deal was settled at £3m. During his 4 seasons at the club, F.Oliveira never managed to become a starter but played in total 56 games for 14 goa, 5 ass, 2 MoM. He won a Cup, a Supercup and the FIFA Club World Championship. Forbs wished him all the best - provided he would not perform well against Os Guerreiros in the clashes v Benfica!

U21 International Hélder Mario was released on free transfer, and soon recruited by Segunda Liga side União Madeira. He made only 2 appearances during his 5 seasons at Setubal.

Forward César Silva was also released on free, and has not yet found a home.

Those were 3 AMC's leaving. But good old Tito had one up his sleeves. A deal that was sealed during Euro 2008 but which was kept silent until later in July. It was Pedro Figueiredo who found the prodigee in Brazil, and Forbs who selected him out of nowhere in the Seleção squad for Switzerland - which stunned Portugal. But what stunned the country even more was when André "Pinto" Neves appeared in 3 games, scoring the 2nd goal in the quarter-final v Romania and starting the semi-final v France!! At 20yr-old this was a very gifted player Forbs had recruited there and he was eager to find out what sort of impact he would have on Setubal's attacking potential.


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The Brazilian club of América MG was not easy to convince though, and Setubal had to caugh up a huge £5.25m (new club record), a wage of £6.25k/w and a £150k sign-on fee.

troza
21-01-15, 07:44 AM
The message from the board: he did try to leave the club... maybe now they don't see him as a must in your team and that's why you're getting that message.

RuiEsteves
21-01-15, 08:58 AM
The message from the board: he did try to leave the club... maybe now they don't see him as a must in your team and that's why you're getting that message.
It's a little weird since that was 3 years ago. Typically what are the consequences if I keep him?

Kingsley
21-01-15, 09:52 AM
No consequences. You can ignore it at no risk. It will be the previous transfer request and as the game sees you winning too much it is trying to unsettle your squad.

I like the look of Pinto Neves I think he will be a valuable addition. Luis Andrade had served his purpose and deserves the chance to hang up his boots rather than just fade out. It also meens that there will be a "new Luis Andrade" for you to find.

kuy
21-01-15, 11:17 AM
I usually get that the board 'doesn't think a player should be part of the club' if that player has been disruptive (requesting a transfer, complaining about being a reserve, etc), although sometimes there's no reason. Like Eejit says though, you can just ignore it :ok:

However I've never noticed that "First international cap against Spain aged 33", like in Luis Andrade's Achievements, before!

RuiEsteves
22-01-15, 12:03 AM
No consequences. You can ignore it at no risk. It will be the previous transfer request and as the game sees you winning too much it is trying to unsettle your squad.

The game really does that?



I like the look of Pinto Neves I think he will be a valuable addition. Luis Andrade had served his purpose and deserves the chance to hang up his boots rather than just fade out. It also meens that there will be a "new Luis Andrade" for you to find.

There are plenty of interesting regens coming through this summer, all our scouts our busy to locate them!

Kingsley
22-01-15, 12:30 PM
The game really does that?

No way I could ever prove it, but there are events which happen too many times for it to be coincidence.

troza
22-01-15, 12:31 PM
You'll have the risk of getting some messages that you lost because of him :P aha. I had that with one of my goalkeeper's that they feel that doesn't deserve to be in the squad :P

RuiEsteves
25-01-15, 11:05 AM
After the strange comment from the board of Vitoria Setubal that Cristiano Ronaldo should not be part of our squad, the attention turned once again to the captain of Os Guerreiros when Real Madrid put in a huge £14m bid to recruit him. Unlike what happened last December when AC Milan knocked on his door, Tito decided to negotiate since he knew the player wanted out to a major league if and when the opportunity would arise. But before the Real delegation reached Bonfim, this leaked in the press :


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This really was unacceptable behaviour and of course, the Spaniards felt they were in a position of stength and discussions stalled. Tito was not one to be bullied like that and what Bruno Melo had just done cracked a little the trust between both men; even several players (Bras, Rodolofo and Marajo, at least, made it clear) complained about the attitude of their skipper. The coach nevertheless, in a moment of weakness some have argued, decided to continue to trust his captain and let him wear the armband, hoping things would gradually cool off.

Another offer reached Forbs during that month of August except this time he was relieved that it finally happened. Salgueiros were offering £450k to buy-back João Paiva's last year of contract. Forbs really liked the Portuguese striker and in hindsight had regretted recruiting him while only being able to offer so little game time: 19 appearances only in 6 years at the club, for 3 goals and 2 assists. The sole highlight of his spell at Vitoria was when he started the FIFA Club World Championship Final v Boca Juniors in 2005. He was only 25yr-old and his career could bounce back, Salgueiros was a solid Primeira Liga side; he joined to apparently be a starter and scored on his debut for them. Tito and the rest of the staff wished him all the best and would always keep an eye on him.http://i1156.photobucket.com/albums/p580/RuiEsteves/Paiva-190808_zps66714acc.png (http://s1156.photobucket.com/user/RuiEsteves/media/Paiva-190808_zps66714acc.png.html)