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    German Bundesliga

    It's time for the new season. I'll be frequently giving a bit of an overview on how the teams are doing in the 1.Bundesliga and 2.Bundesliga

    To give a bit of information about the schedule:

    2.Bundesliga season started yesterday.

    German League Cup will be played today and tomorrow. 4 teams are taking part: Bayern, Dortmund, Hamburg and Bremen. The semi-final will be played between Hamburg - Dortmund starting in 10 minutes and Bayern - Bremen later today. One half will only be 30 minutes, in case of a draw, the match will go to pens straight away.


    The German Super Cup will be played next Sunday between Bayern and Dortmund. Very anticipated match. Bayern lost the last 5 games in a row to Dortmund.

    The season will finally kick off on Friday, the 24th. Dortmund - Bremen will be making the start. Newly promoted team Greuther Fürth will host Bayern.

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    That League Cup is a nice intro to a new season, but still pretty much pointless.

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    Dortmund to win everything

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    Dortmund to flop this season on every front is my bet .

    Can win lots of money from it .

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    Must try to watch more this season. Is the game on anywhere today?

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    Got it on espn.

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    In all honesty though i don't really know what's going on with Dortmund atm. Didn't they replace Kagawa with Reus? not a bad replacement that.

    Guess we will have to see what Lewandowski decides.

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    Patinoz, how seriously is this taken? Are the games seen as friendlies like the charity shield in England.

    Never mind, half an hour a half kind of answers the question.

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    Season Preview: Borussia Dortmund

    Bundesliga Champion 2010/11
    Bundesliga Champion 2011/12
    German Cup Winner 2011/12

    The best German team in the last 2 years. Broke the Bundesliga points record last season. Also won the Double for the first time in their history.
    Their team chemistry is second to none. Everybody runs for each other and they are having heaps of fun.


    The Squad


    GK:
    Weidenfeller - a good goalkeeper but not a great one. More important in the locker room than on the field.
    Langerak - 23-year old Australian talent. Often played in the cup last season. Also played in the 1-0 Bundesliga win against Bayern. Read a Klopp interview recently and he said that he won't just be playing in the cup again but also more often in the league. They want him to be their next Nr.1 once Weidenfeller retires

    Defense:

    Subotic & Hummels: 2 of the best Centre-backs in Europe. Hummels recently extended his contract til 2017. Subotic's runs out in 2014 and I am sure his contract extension is high on Dortmund's Agenda
    Piszcek & Schmelzer: two offensive Full-backs. Piszcek disappointed for Poland though and Schmelzer is struggling to break into the German Squad. Both still a fair bit away from being world-class

    Midfield:


    Kehl: Captain, similar to Weidenfeller, not the greatest footballer but a young team needs those 2 older more experienced guys.
    Bender / Gündogan: Bender played next to Kehl at the start of the season. had an unlucky year though with multiple injuries and lack of form at the end which saw him eventually not only lose his spot in the 23-men German squad but also his DMC/MC position to Gündogan.
    Götze: one of the biggest talents in the world. struggled with injuries and loss of form at the end of the season though
    Kuba/Großkreutz/Perisic: they'll battle for the remaining spot in Dortmund's attacking midfield. Could go either way. Maybe the tiniest of advantages for Kuba

    Striker:
    Lewandowski: couldnt hit a barn door from 1m distance 2 seasons ago. greatly improved last season though and finished on 22 goals. his agents caused quite a bit of trouble this off-season since they repeatedly offered him to other clubs despite Dortmund clearly stating that they won't sell him. contract til 2014. if he doesn't want to extend his contract (which it's looking like right now), he might be gone by next season.

    Manager:
    Jürgen Klopp - great guy who fits perfectly into this youngish, lets-have-fun dortmund team. they'd be nowhere near where they are now if they hadn't Klopp


    Transfers


    In:
    Koray Günter & Marvin Duksch got promoted to the first team. will still see most of their playing time for Dortmund II.
    Oliver Kirch: the back-up's back-up at DR
    Leonardo Bittencourt: 18 years, Att Mid, came from Cottbus. Heralded as great talent but I can't see him breaking into Dortmund first team this season.
    Julian Schieber: came for 6mil from Stuttgart. way overpriced for a guy who only scored 3 goals in 18 games for stuttgart last season. back-up for Lewa.
    Reus: great transfer. came for 17mil from M'Gladbach. best Bundesliga player last season. can play anywhere in offense and not only scores goals but also provides assist. one of the biggest talents in the world.

    Out:

    Lucas Barrios: despite being so vital for them 2 seasons ago, he couldnt get past Lewandowski last season. followed the call of money and went to China.
    Shinji Kagawa: creative playmaker and arguably their best player last season. will be interesting to see what he can achieve in the EPL.



    Outlook:

    I can't see them finishing worse than 2nd this season. They lost a key player in Kagawa but Reus can more than cover that. They are rather short in the striker department and should prolly buy another one.
    All in all, everybody knows that they are great Bundesliga team. However, they have to finally take the next step and achieve something internationally. Going out in the first round of the EL 2 seasons ago and in the CL last season can't be the standard for the German champion, so yes, their CL games are highly anticipated and it is yet to be seen how they do when playing in 3 competitions at the same time in the latter part of the season.


    Bundesliga: 2nd
    Champions League: Round of 16

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    Quote Originally Posted by nirvana View Post
    Patinoz, how seriously is this taken? Are the games seen as friendlies like the charity shield in England.

    Never mind, half an hour a half kind of answers the question.
    the league cup isnt an official comp. hamburg beat bayern last season and had the worst season in their history. nevertheless, the teams are playing with their best starting XI


    the super cup got introduced this year again. hasnt been played in recent years. highly anticipated though since Bayern-Dortmund will be facing off against each other there.

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    If you did that yourself, a nice honest review, thanks

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    I would enjoy reading an un-bias season preview of Bayern too if you have time

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    Nice little header, terrible marker. I remember us being linked with that polish dude constantly during Rafa's days at the club.

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    Lewandowski? He turns 24 this year. In Dortmund he was re-qualified to AM/FC so he gets back to help midfield. Sometimes a lot as he did last season.

    Wondering how he will do this season though. He scored in friendlies which is good sign, but real thing is real thing .

    Btw Patz nice review there. As for Lewandowski manager, Kucharski, he is a twat. If someone got a link with BvB Klopp tell him to shut the fucker up permanently. He did so much harm to a lot of players after all with his constant idiotic transfers propaganda.

    Dortmund don't want to get rid of Lewy.

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    Season Preview: FC Bayern Munich

    Bundesliga 2010/11: 3rd
    Bundesliga 2011/12: 2nd
    CL Final 2010 & 2012


    German giants. Finance-wise the non-plus-ultra in European football. Only big team with no debt. No financial loss in 19 consecutive seasons. (good article on that one: http://www.iol.co.za/business/busine...oach-1.1299316)
    Struggled nationally in the last 2 years and lost both CL finals.

    The Squad:


    GK:
    Neuer: Best gk in the world imo. hopefully going to form an era similar to Kahn.

    Defense:
    Badstuber: set in Bayern and Germany Defense. great defender and still lots of potential.
    Boateng: at times great, at times making stupid mistakes. still a fair bit to learn. got the potential though.
    Lahm: Captain and the best versatile full-back in the world.
    Alaba: best newcomer of last season. played immense against Real Madrid in the CL Semi. got all the potential to be a world-class player.
    Rafinha: too inconsistent. not professional enough
    van Buyten: too old

    Midfield:
    Luiz Gustavo: great defensively but limited in offense
    Tymoshchuk: getting old and slow. his last season at Bayern.
    Schweinsteiger: world class player but injured at the end of season and Euro where he prolly shouldnt have played at all. needs to get over his missed pen in the CL final mentally
    Kroos: getting moved around all over the pitch doesnt do him any favour. sees himself as AMC but often plays as DMC. good player who can go long ways in his career.
    Ribery: best Bayern player last season. finally managed to play an entire season without getting injured. world-class
    Robben: had his worst season so far at Bayern. missed 2 pens against Dortmund and Chelsea. Booed at Bayern friendly by own supporters. is either gonna play immense this season or be complete shit. needs to be more team-friendly.
    Müller: couldn't live up to his amazing 2010 season. unhappy with being benched at times.


    Striker:

    Mario Gomez: in my eyes one of the best strikers in the world. scored the most goals after Messi and CR7 in the last 2 years. hot debate over him in Germany due to his work rate at times

    Manager:
    Jupp Heynckes: will retire at the end of the season. after the Klinsmann/van Gaal time Bayern board wanted somebody they know and who is rather calm.


    Transfers

    In:
    Mario Mandzukic: played well for Wolfsburg and Croatia. rather have him for 13mil than Dzeko for 35mil.
    Xherdan Shaqiri: switzerlands player of the year the last 2 seasons. did very well with Basel in league and CL. massive potential
    Dante: M'Gladbachs rock at the back last season. good player but not great.
    Mitchell Weiser: biggest German talent at Fullback. should prolly be loaned out.
    Claudio Pizarro: Bremen's best player last season. knows Bayern, only 1-year contract. can't go wrong with that.
    Tom Starke: Hoffenheims Nr.1 the last few seasons. now Neuer's back-up.
    Emre Can: Captain of the German U17 team at the World Cup last year. immense talent. very strong for his age. hope he is getting loaned out to a mid-table German team, would do him good.

    Out:

    Ivica Olic: was great in 2010 but is getting old and injury-prone.
    Daniel Pranjic: wank, glad he is gone.
    Breno: once heralded as one of the worlds greatest Centre-back talents. now sitting in jail the next 3 years for burning his house down. crazy.


    Outlook:

    It's make or break for the likes of Schweinsteiger and Lahm. Both for Bayern and Germany. So far they have ultimately failed when the going got tough.

    The biggest transfer for Bayern took place off the field. Christian Nerlinger was sacked as Director of Football and Matthias Sammer hired. Not only has Sammer done brilliant work for the German FA youth-wise and it's partly thanks to him that there are so many German talents at the moment but he is also a guy who will openly say his opinion and won't be sparing with criticism.
    Bayern wants and needs to change the culture at the club and stop wrapping the player in cotton wool. A player like Kahn, Effenberg or even Ballack is dearly missed. We need a guy who is gonna wake up the players on the pitch, who sets a sign, maybe by even tackling an opponent pretty hard. Lahm and Schweinsteiger are of a different mould. So yes, we still don't have somebody like that on the pitch but at least off the pitch now. Sammer is gonna turn around every stone at Bayern and hopefully a few things will change for the better.

    We have reached the CL final twice in the last 3 years, beat Man City and Real last year and should have won against Chelsea. Quality-wise we can keep up with anybody and belong to the best teams in Europe. Squad-wise we are better than last season. The lack of depth up front got adressed with Mandzukic and Pizarro. Having rivals for his SC spot, Gomez will hopefully get even better. Shaqiri challenging Robben will be good too. We still lack quality in defense but there aren't many world class DC's out there. We are trying to get another DMC, preferably Javi Martinez. I am sure that no matter who we get, Tymoshchuk will leave then.

    It will also to be interesting to see who Bayern chooses to manage the team next year.

    All in all, there is a lot of critiscm surrounding Bayern which wouldn't be there had Robben scored the pen against Chelsea but these nuances are often deciding in football. Reclaiming the Bundesliga title must be Nr.1 priority this season.


    Bundesliga: 1st
    Champions League: Semi-Final

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    About Gomez, you're far from truth. If we are talking about league/goals performances:

    1st Lionel Messi with 50 goals in 36(1) apps
    2nd Cristiano Ronaldo with 46 goals in 37(1) apps
    3rd Robin van Persie with 30 goals in 37(1) apps
    4th Klaas Jan Huntelaar with 29 goals in 32 apps
    5th Zlatan Ibrahimovic with 28 goals in 32 apps
    6th Wayne Rooney with 27 goals in 32(2) apps
    7th Mario Gomez with 26 goals in 30(3) apps

    Now if we take assists into perspective...

    Messi 16
    Ronaldo 12
    van Persie 9
    Huntelaar 8
    Zlatan 6
    Rooney 4
    Gomez 4

    Yeah... Right after Messi/Ronaldo no doubt. He is great profilic striker no doubt. When he gets chance he will score, but as you said yourself, he doesn't work hard for the team. He is more like fox in the box type of player. Hopefully that does change and we saw he CAN change his approach in Germany National Team, so fingers crossed!

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    where did I say its only league, only last season?

    Total Goals in all club comps in last 2 seasons.

    1. Lionel Messi: 126 goals
    2. Cristiano Ronaldo: 113 goals
    3. Mario Gomez: 80 goals
    4. Klaas-Jan Huntelaar: 61 goals
    5. Robin van Persie: 59 goals
    6. Zlatan Ibrahimovic: 56 goals
    7. Wayne Rooney: 50 goals

    Miles between Messi / CR7 and Gomez but also miles between Gomez and the rest.
    Last edited by Patinoz; 04-08-12 at 06:12 PM.

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    Yeah, re-read that. Sorry .

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    Let's be honest though even Heskey would score shitloads if he had the likes of Ribery and Robben supplying crosses to him.

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    Robben you diving cunt.

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    pen shoot-out now. lets see if robben scores one.

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    If he doesn't trip over dramatically on the run up.

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    Always amazes me when you see great footballers hitting really shit pens. It's not hard thing to do like. Pressure can be no excuse in these games either.

    Enjoyed both of those games. Good attacking Footie from all four sides.

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    Bayern out on pens... Once more :/. Starts to be repetition of last season.

    Train penalty shootouts damn it .

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