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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan View Post
    That isn't what I mean.

    In the editor you can set options for the manager. So if he has 4-5-1 as he preferred formation I would like to know which pct tactics he will use.
    that depends on two things: the manager atts and the match-up as in home/away/strong/weak opposition.

    usually they will use default then which is 451norm2b1b. if they play away to strong opposition, they will most likely switch to 4-5-1 def which in turn is 4-1-4-1 iodine.

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    Alan that depends on manager attributes spread. That's what is the hardest part to get the AI to play what you want.

    Based on directness/free roles/attacking/marking/offside and 532 tactic set you can get:

    532_default = 4-2-3-1 Alan
    532_attacking_default = RDS_t2
    532_defensive_default = 4-2-3-1 Alan
    532_v1 = 40231
    532_v2 = 4231bunker2
    532_v3 = 40231
    532_v4 = 4231bunker2
    532_v5 = 40231
    532_v6 = 4231bunker2
    532_v7 = RDS_t2
    532_v9 = RDS_t2

    All of those. It also depends if manager plays at home or away... Great fun if someone has got time .

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    Sure, I get the basics, but I am talking here about the default pct files, not those info0 has created. My initial tests suggest that 4132 is used by managers with a 4-5-1 preference at least when I had modded a few of the pct files. I assume that a manager whose preferred tadt is 4-5-1 will play a certain selection of pct tactics; a manager who prefers 4-4-2 will use a different selcetio of pct tactics, and so on. I am not after guessing and common sense but what it coded into the exe.

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    in terms of coded into exe, this is out of my league. can't help you with that unfortunately. maybe ask JL.

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    Or spend a massive amount of time testing.

    I was hoping Info0 may have figured this out during his editing.

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    Not really. The thing I noticed however, is that setting preferred formation in editor to be "broken" somehow.

    Taking Juventus under the scope. Conte has 532 as his preferred formation, yet he doesn't play ANY of the above tactics.

    He plays, surprise, 433 @home and if I'm not mistaken away too.

    Another example is Bayern. Jupp has 451 as preferred formation, yet he does not play it even once :o.

    Instead he mixes 4231, 541, 343.

    Sadly, it's not something you can change with Olly or maybe I did miss something there.

    My wild guess would now be, to play around with Tactics knowledge on Manager attributes.

    I believe I did it before for Update team and setting Tactics to 1-5 gave the results of AI not messing around with tactics if I recall correctly. 20 means they change/shuffle a lot.

    Like I said, it's not finished product yet, but this whole idea will move in steady way forward .

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    Can you post a league table with teams using your tactics? I am very curious if there will it will turn into NHL scores.

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    Sure thing mate. Will do this for major leagues (England first, Spain probably next, Bundesliga, Serie A and Ligue 1).



    For now, I am having mixed results, but... Keeping my fingers crossed here. Actually found out something and WILL be testing that in leagues outside England next.

    If this works, I will explain what to do. True breakthrough?

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    EPL table:




    Code:
    ************************************************************************************************
     English Premier Division - Sunday 19th May 2002
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     2001/2 Table
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    Pos     Team                            Pld  Won  Drn  Lst  For  Ag   Won  Drn  Lst  For  Ag   Pts
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    1st  C  Chelsea                         38   14   2    3    31   8    13   4    2    29   11   87   
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    2nd     Man Utd                         38   15   2    2    39   9    9    4    6    34   18   78   
    3rd     Stoke                           38   12   5    2    30   13   11   2    6    18   15   76   
    4th     Man City                        38   11   5    3    23   11   8    6    5    19   19   68   
    5th     Tottenham                       38   9    7    3    22   14   9    5    5    21   17   66   
    6th     Arsenal                         38   10   3    6    28   19   9    4    6    21   16   64   
    7th     West Brom                       38   9    6    4    31   23   8    3    8    25   16   60   
    8th     Norwich                         38   4    7    8    24   26   11   4    4    29   14   56   
    9th     Everton                         38   6    5    8    16   18   8    8    3    22   14   55   
    10th    Sunderland                      38   5    6    8    22   20   9    4    6    27   22   52   
    11th    Newcastle                       38   9    5    5    17   12   4    5    10   14   20   49   
    12th    Q.P.R.                          38   8    2    9    19   26   7    2    10   18   27   49   
    13th    Liverpool                       38   7    5    7    24   13   4    7    8    15   23   45   
    14th    Fulham                          38   8    2    9    25   27   4    6    9    22   32   44   
    15th    Aston Villa                     38   6    5    8    19   22   4    4    11   16   31   39   
    16th    Swansea                         38   6    3    10   23   33   4    2    13   17   33   35   
    17th    Wigan                           38   6    5    8    23   30   3    3    13   15   35   35   
    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    18th R  West Ham                        38   4    4    11   13   25   4    6    9    12   30   34   
    19th R  Southampton                     38   3    6    10   16   30   4    6    9    21   33   33   
    20th R  Reading                         38   2    5    12   7    26   3    5    11   10   26   25
    Yes, I know it's unrealistic for now... . But really, for now I didn't even think about realism. That is something I will do in Part B .

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    Prepare. Alpha 2 is coming out. Made some changes after I realized what I have missed before. Slowly, getting there... (the above is what I mean, but some stuff needs sorting out) .

    Oh I love it. LOVE IT. LOVEEEEEEEEE IT (actually, I am settled that both Madrid teams are suited for 41212 formation and I won't fucking touch that, until someone has better idea. They do offer what their real counterparts do. C. Ronaldo scores a plenty and is positioned unbelievably, on his position all the time O_O, as is Falcao).

    This shows pretty much in final league table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by info0 View Post
    Not really. The thing I noticed however, is that setting preferred formation in editor to be "broken" somehow.

    Taking Juventus under the scope. Conte has 532 as his preferred formation, yet he doesn't play ANY of the above tactics.

    He plays, surprise, 433 @home and if I'm not mistaken away too.

    Another example is Bayern. Jupp has 451 as preferred formation, yet he does not play it even once :o.

    Instead he mixes 4231, 541, 343.

    My wild guess would now be, to play around with Tactics knowledge on Manager attributes.
    Yeah, it all seems a bit random. I had Vilanova playing 4-1-2-2-1 perfectly, but Bielsa stuck with 4-4-2. I then edited Bielsa's stats to exactly the same as Vilanova and now he plays 3-4-3. Mysterious, and at the present I am thinking of going back to the defaults as there is certainly more to it that it would seem on face value.

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    I am trying something out now in hope that I am thinking right.

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    Just noticed after edits, Barcelona plays what I want them to. Now if we can somehow manage to play Messi as central...



    All to be posted soon .

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    Ok. Messed around with tactics. I think I got onto something.

    Patinoz asked about 1st offset. What is 73. I think I found the answer, or at least a wild guess at it.

    You can change it to 71, 72 or 73. I believe in CM terms it stands for Defensive, Normal, Attacking. Or I mixed it in wrong way and it's Normal, Defensive, Attacking, Attacking, Defensive, Normal... You know that kind of shit .

    Now I re-edited the files slightly and... I got some fine results. Actually, made Barcelona play what I want them too, same goes for Bilbao and Espanyol :o.

    Surprisingly, it works for other clubs too.

    Dl link below:

    http://www.mediafire.com/?pia2pzayoj4kgtn

    Tactics are the same as before, but offsets were edited.

    Here is the test:

    To get Barcelona to play 433 you need to set Villanova to:



    Preferred formation: 433 (!!)

    Bielsa to:



    Preferred formation: 433/532/532 Sweeper should work fine.

    Espanyol manager:



    Preferred formation: 433

    Yes, all of them have relatively high CA/PA and high attributes, but... It pays off in game. Actually, user tactics, are made for us, humans. AI wouldn't figure them out with lower CA/PA... But upping that up, brings completely realistic results now. I believe Arsenal can be set to use 433 or 41221 too, which I think is amazing.

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    For those unwilling to play against AI using wib/wob monsters, I have made a replacement pack with non wib/wob AI tactics.

    Should offer fun, modern approach and somewhat a nice challenge. Plus it adds realistic results to the mix...

    Running a test now. Results of it to follow. Watch this space .

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    http://www.mediafire.com/?u9uulx5hk5vovgb

    Non wib wob tactics pack for AI. Enjoy! .

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    When I set managers to 4-5-1 favourite formation everyone plays this 4-1-4-1 which leads to very few goals, for example with Dortmund, even at home they play 4-1-4-1 despite manager having 20 in attacking and pressure. Tried a lot but have not got it to work, is there any way to make them play 4-4-1-1? Which is more similar to their style. Same with Arsenal, Bayern and Real who play something like 4231/4411/433, all those three are a bit similar to me.

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    Look at General Tactic Queries thread.

    Unless someone finds what code in game makes AI play certain tactic, I can't see it :/.

    Tried many combinations and none, makes them stick to formation. Maybe I will try something different next...

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    Where are your 0001 tactics info0?

    My eye sight might be playing tricks on me but I am pretty sure it's mentioned in the title & there is not 1 0001 tactic is in the thread
    Long live 00/01




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    Thought you might like to know that there are a few weird side effects of the hex editting

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    Wow .

    That is a new one. Will have to look at this .

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    Hello, I see that some of you still play de cm 00-01. The one I play. I need help against the game tactic 4321. They always play this against me. Is killing me. I play 4132 with the 2 side defenders in dmr/l positions and only 1 striker. I need to know if there is a tactic tha anihilate this system. Thank You.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLAVIUS55 View Post
    Hello, I see that some of you still play de cm 00-01. The one I play. I need help against the game tactic 4321. They always play this against me. Is killing me. I play 4132 with the 2 side defenders in dmr/l positions and only 1 striker. I need to know if there is a tactic tha anihilate this system. Thank You.
    Best tactic in 0001 3.81 patch is info0's DWSv5, I don't play later versions 3.89 for example so don't know what works.DWSv5 - http://www.sendspace.com/file/2t8hmq
    Long live 00/01




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    hope so. I;ve tried this. and sw2331 modified works, but not always. there are surprise. I will trie this again and post here the results.

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