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    How about sky give all teams from the leagues they cover an equal amount of money??

    surely that would be fair for every team involved?

    that would give so called smaller teams a chance to progress and make things a lot more interesting?

    obv the prize money for winning leagues would go to the teams that win leagues, but just tv money split in fairness between each team, from each league, no matter what division?

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    Not exactly the same, but a lot more balanced is the way TV money got reworked after government takeover on TV Rights for Argentinian league. Rights were previously owned by TyC Sports and income gaps between the big clubs (River, Boca, Independiente) and the rest of teams were huge. TyC Sports would also kidnap goals not letting any other signal show them until monday's night and would force expectators to pay per way certain matches (usually involving the biggest clubs) while respecting B Nacional, they would only televise two matches and would pay really little mony to clubs. I remember CAI's president from Chubut arguing that TV money wasn't even enough to pay the trips the club had to overcome when playing away (Chubut is deep... deep south in Patagonia).

    I don't remember exactly when, but at some part of the end of last decade, Peronism took over TV Rights and kicked TyC Sports in their arse. Even thought big clubs still get more than the rest, money distribution is much more even than it used. Also goals are not kidnaped anymore and all matches are free. B Nacional also got a well received money boost from this (and I particulary think River Plate, Rosario Central and Independiente relegations had to do with this) and the amount of televised matches grown from two to six. When there's no Primera A on schedule, they even show the whole Nacional B on TV.

    Getting closer to your query, I may say that it's out there how did a much more fair share-out of TV money impact on our league after almost a decade of takeover. Big clubs have not been affected as their income is still huge, but small and medium clubs got this really good. Believe it or not, argentinian first champion with new TV money were Argentinos Jrs, a team full of youngsters who were just ablet to hold their young stars more than they used due to this boost. Velez Sarsfield won the championship 3 times and Newell's Old Boys, another medium club was crowned after a decade. Arsenal, a rather unknown club got their first championship too and believe it or not, runners up were Tigre, another small team. Of course big clubs kept winning (River Plate, San Lorenzo), but medium and small clubs are managing to keep their squads much more time, specially their youngsters. Belgrano de Cordoba is an excellent example of a small team used to battle bravely against relegation who after the increase in TV income are battling bravely for the title every year.

    B Nacional clubs on the other hand are affording to sign top tier players they didn't even tried to sign before. Examples are many: Riquelme played in Argentinos Jrs, Fabbiani is playing in Estudiantes SL, Buffarini played in Ferro, "pulga" Rodriguez in Atletico Tucuman. Just to name a few. You may not know some of them but in general, whenever I watch a B Nacional game, squads have two or three "Primera A ordinary players" they didn't use to have decades ago.

    B Nacional teams also got much more competitive when promoted to Primera A. Some of them have managed to score lots of points in their first season, something that was just unlikely to happen in the past.

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    can you imagine the impact that it would have on all the teams in lower divisions? they would be able to improve stadiums/infrastructure etc etc etc, why should just the big teams at the top of the top league get all the wealth? It would prob help bring fans back to lower level games as well - they could afford better players and have better facilities for the fans to watch from.

    can anybody remember pre 92 what the sponsorship details of the prem were? or prize money etc?

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    Well in any case, teams that qualify on the top of table should get a bigger revenue than those who did not that well.

    But TV money should be at least balanced.

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    yes prize money should obv be give to those who perform better, but tv money should be a whole lot fairer, would be very interesting if if ever was split fairly between every team in every division. All teams would then benefit, not just those at the top table.

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    TV money should be split between all clubs equally. Otherwise, how can they really compete? At least the top 2 don't get 75% between them like in Spain. Imagine that, City and Chelsea getting loads and the rest sharing 25%.

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    The biggest issue with TV money is it's for the Premier League, which is a separate league from the Football League. I know people know this but the FA would never have influence enough to get the TV deal split equally. Or even some what more staggered. That said, you give a League Two club 10m tv rights a year and you have League Two footballers earning 5k-6k a week as standard all based on TV money. Not a healthy scenario either. Without any proper governance you end up with a system like the Premier League of needing more and more to sustain itself, let alone evolve.

    Still can't believe no club has adopted an Athletic Bilbao style cantera model but with completely English only players or players from say Cheshire up. Especially a club with a decent sized ground but a historically low average attendance like Bolton or Wigan. Or even Middlesbrough. Given English/British are notoriously patriotic you'd imagine it would be a huge opening for a club. Not to mention every 1 in 5 decent players is going to be sold on for 4 times the going rate. Yes people will argue it's hard to compete with the big clubs for youngsters, given the lack of opportunities that players have gotten over the last few years it would appeal to a hell of lot of the youngsters you'd actually want to attract. Wasters like Nile Ranger and Ravel Morrison aren't going to want to join but you would be likely to get Josh McEachran and Ryan Shawcross type youngsters to the club and develop them earlier. Win for the club, definitely win for the National team.

    While the financial aspects can be unfair, there are a lot of clubs missing the opportunity to get amongst those competing for the bigger revenues. Kudos to Burnley for not going all out to stay in the EPL. Has probably left them in best shape of any team that was relegated in the last decade.

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    Sooooooo,


    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...ky-Sports.html

    Sky could be losing the rights to la liga as well as the CL...
    very,very interesting indeed,
    the goose that laid the golden egg....
    sky aint really gonna be worth having after that really is it?? will you pay for 2 subscriptions??
    ITV digital mk2 coming up i think and i for one will fucking pish myself laughing if that is the case

    people saying sky will have something up there sleeve, only thing sky have up they're sleeve is a giant bill from the EPL. after production staffing costs and the cost per year for the EPL rights sky have to make over 2bn to even break even for the EPL coverageITV digital anyone. bt played a blinder getting sky to stump up 75% extra for the EPL

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    Well the didnt lose La Liga

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    Quote Originally Posted by EL-TOPPO View Post
    Well the didnt lose La Liga
    aye, saw that.

    very strange, must have realised last minute that it could have had a big effect on them? prob a lot of people phoning up to cancel the sports package as its strange they came back in for it after saying they weren't interested anymore? who knows. but quite strange.

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    One of the reasons I cancelled is the disdain shown to Scottish football mate. For years shunting our games to ridiculous kick off times whilst bumming up West Brom v Stoke, Hull v Leicester, Sunderland V Everton etc etc etc
    Yesterday on Sky Sports News you wouldn't know we were playing a Champions League qualifier as the coverage/reporting during the day was zilch....... Switched on BT Sports for the game last night and they had Lennon, Hartson in the studio and Sutton was commentating.
    Good enough reasons to can Sky and show my support to BT.

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    another reason is the gross unfairness of the tv deal we get from them,

    8.3% of the uk population is in scotland, but we only get 15m from sky.....
    we should be getting 140 million from them...

    it's a total fkn farce and a lot of people up here are sick to death of it.


    Scottish football suffers from a disproportionate share of TV money compared to the English Premier League, and that club directors should be driving a harder bargain.

    The accountant said: "Simple arithmetic indicates that if Sky and BT are happy to pay 1.712bn a year for English football the comparable figure for Scotland should be 142m (Scotland has 8.3% of the population of the UK).
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    "To be getting just over one tenth of that at 15m a year needs to be reviewed. Equally the BBC gives just 1m a year to Scotland’s football clubs against 66m for its Match of the Day highlights.

    "These figures are only exacerbating the gap between English and Scottish football and should be examined in more detail by the appropriate authorities.”

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    teams in scotland would prob be better off by telling sky/bt to fucking poke it!! selling their games online to their own fans etc, more people would also go to games if they were a 3pm ko on a sat as they are few and far between these days.

    something needs to be done.

    Also if we never had fucking idiots running scottish football who managed to secure us a worse deal than the fucking rugby gets, DESPITE having higher viewing figures than the rugby.... we could maybe get somewhere... tied us up to 2020 on a fucking pittance. aye cheers for that doncaster/regan you pair of fucking wankers.

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    I thought there was a Financial Fair Play thread (must have been the old server)


    Anyhow, before the chat box refreshes, this is worth a read http://www.spiegel.de/international/...a-1236414.html

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