View Poll Results: How should Brits vote in the referendum on 23rd June?

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    Chris asked me on Shoutbox what's my opinion on Brexit after it happened. He said: "that it doesn't affect me in any way, so why should I care what UK is doing."

    Well, it does affect me. I wanted to go there to work. I am a specialist in job no Brit is willing to do. It's taxing, stressful and you need to be very precise with measurements and stuff (and I know from experience after meeting a lot of you guys, half of Brits can't even make simple equations in head).

    Wanted to go, but now, you and your kind Chris said: fuck off. There is also this talk about how immigrants steal your jobs. We don't. We are just better, we don't cringe, whine about payment, we DO our jobs. If only Brits were as willing and hard working as other nations who CAME to their country FOR WORK, then you wouldn't have the need for immigrants in the first place.

    Thought about doctors and others? Yeah, I believe not. Have fun going to doctors now or having nurse take care of you.

    Ignorance and short sightedness was always Brits problem. Self-centered, high egos, looking at other cultures with ridiculing eyes. That's your nation and it didn't change.

    Oh and now since Brexit happened you show vast amount of culture. Leaving Polish people notes to GTFO, calling them Polish vermin, etc. Yeah I know some immigrated there for "social" life, but some really do work their asses off (I had to come to Holland, cause if I didn't I would have died of starvation - call it financial situation crisis and yes, could have gotten job in Poland, but if you know how our employers work, you wouldn't want to work here).

    I hope Irish and Scots get referendums in their countries and seeing reaction of people, I am pretty sure, Scots will succeed. They want to stay in EU as do Irish people.

    You also did notice that most young people voted to STAY. Despite the whole propaganda shit not being aimed at them (ok, but which political campaign is aimed at younger audiences?). Who screwed young people? 50+ olds. But you know, they won't live long enough to see what they have done. They will be dead by then.

    http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/oh-my...ource=vicefbuk

    Here is good read. With some valid questions asked. Howgh. Now I must look at Swedes/Norwegians (darn, their language will be fun to learn -.-).

    Regarding Netherlands and wanting to quit EU, wouldn't have happened even with referendum. They are pretty lax and they would lose much more than gain.

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    And you frequent an English forum every free minute you have

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    Why do you all love this corrupt and anti-democratic institution?

    Young people probably voted to stay because to them, the EU is the norm. Older folks can remember that life was better before it existed. Young folks don't remember the reason the EEC was started and have no idea that it has morphed along the way to ever closer political union and an outright empire. Young people, in short, are uninformed idiots in the most part, easily manipulated by the television programming.

    EUROPE IS NOT 1 COUNTRY.

    Now if you guys all want to continue with pretending that it is, fair play. Keep it going, we just don't want to be part of that because we value making our own decisions and won't be ruled by the new empire.

    I am not ridiculing anyone, I want you all to free yourselves of this gargantuan leech parasitic political elite class as well. This decision is actually not short sighted. We can see this tyrannical EU system beginning to fail, over reaching and the true objectives of it becoming apparent.

    "me and my kind" would welcome you here if you have a skill that we don't, or a skill that we need so let's get the facts right before throwing accusations


    Again I will ask, what do you know about Scotland or Ireland?


    And I stopped reading your Vice article after a couple of paragraphs because it is fucking disgusting.
    These people might mean fuck all to you but not everyone thinks like that. Old people have more knowledge than young people, you could learn a lot from them.

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    Show the Young People the Film: The Island, 2005, Michael Bay.

    This is what EU is about

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    Bottom line - 52% of Brits that voted (approximately 37% of the population) have voted for something that will affect not only them and those that didn't vote to leave, but many others too.

    The resulting short-term mess is now the responsibility of your elected elite to sort out with the "unelected" EU elite (although it's interesting to note that the "laws passed by unelected bureaucrats" thing is a myth...the EU makes proposals, which are then debated, amended and passed (or rejected) by elected national governments and directly-elected MEPs. Commissioners themselves are accountable to the European Parliament, which elects its president, approves its appointment and can dismiss it by a vote of no confidence... but that's neither here nor there....)

    I hope it doesn't affect the common folk too much, but sadly, the common folk are always the ones that feel the brunt of the decisions.

    I wish you folks all the best and hope that whatever positives the "leave" camp thought they would get, actually come true. No one can say if that will be the case.... only time will tell.
    Last edited by Craig Forrest; 27-06-16 at 03:24 PM.

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    The European Commission (EC) is the executive body of the European Union responsible for proposing legislation, implementing decisions, upholding the EU treaties and managing the day-to-day business of the EU.[2] Commissioners swear an oath at the European Court of Justice in Luxembourg, pledging to respect the treaties and to be completely independent in carrying out their duties during their mandate.

    (wiki)


    http://europa.eu/about-eu/institutio...n/index_en.htm
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    Yes?

    The EC makes proposals. Then those proposals get voted on by the European Parliament, which is elected every 5 years by EU voters. Therefore the laws are passed by elected members of the European Parliament, not an unelected body.

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    The laws are only allowed to be proposed by the unelected body.

    Why there is any unelected body involved is my question.

    and I'm not willing to argue about it anymore. I don't think you would accept this system if the NAU was doing it on your citizens mate.
    I know maybe you are just looking for points to argue for the sake of it but the Commission is appointed by Cameron, Hollande, Merkel. Not accountable to the public at all.

    It doesn't really matter we have voted leave, let's just watch the fun now as they have to deliver it.

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    But the actual decision making power rests in the hands of the elected officials? If they don't agree to the proposals, then they can vote them down.....

    There are always unelected bureaucrats in any system of government.... we have a variety of "advisory boards" that propose legislation to the government on a wide number of topics.... these boards are made up of unelected people, appointed by the government of the day.... the elected representatives then decide if the proposals have merit or not, then if they do, they bring them to a vote in parliament

    Is this not how most governments work?

    I'm not trying to argue for argument's sake, I'm simply not understanding what the fuss is.... the elected representatives aren't usually the policy experts, so naturally you would have some kind of body of appointed people studying things and making proposals....

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    Re: youth voting Remain... to sum it up, kids haven't lived long enough to know what they're doing. Experience hasn't yet tempered idealism.

    In the 1990s and 2000s I spent a lot of time in Hungary (and some bits of time elsewhere in Europe), and early on I thought the EU was a great idea, thought Hungary joining would be good, etc... as time passed, I gained more life experience, grew to understand things better, how the world works, how the EU works, etc, I became less and less enamoured with what the EU actually is and does (as opposed to what the ideal is... another case of theory vs practice)... saw the way EU regulations and directives which Hungary had to follow slowly dismantled Hungarian industry and economy, curtailing agriculture, etc.. So experience and understanding changed my views on it... as it will for many of the kids who voted Remain.

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    Boris Johnson won't run for Prime Minister...

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    Why not?

    I thought he would have been waiting all his life to do so...

    EDIT:
    In a speech in London - billed as his campaign launch - Mr Johnson said he did not believe he could provide the leadership or unity needed. (BBC)
    It will be a tough gig whoever gets it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 316'sRegen View Post
    Why not?

    I thought he would have been waiting all his life to do so...

    It will be a tough gig whoever gets it.
    Gove stabbed him in the back.

    To quote a news report I read just before regarding the Tory leadership situation: "It makes House of Cards look like Teletubbies."

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    I would like to see the EU crumble and that each country governs itself and still maintains mutual agreements such as trade/movement. However, at the moment it seems like the EU wants every country to follow the same protocols or else it will stop being their friend which is a bully tactic. I don't think there is "safety" in the EU but it doesn't seem like a country can actually leave.

    Even if the UK does, somehow, find a successful way to leave the EU - it won't enjoy the benefits of single markets etc "UK can't have single market á la carte" and will have to endure hard financial times for the next 5-10 years only to be given a small chance of recovery in the future

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    Quote Originally Posted by 316'sRegen View Post
    Shouldn't that headline read: "Majority in Italy and France want a referendum although a majority don't want to leave"

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    Was speaking to a mate yesterday who was a fervent no voter in the Scottish independence referendum. Never thought I would see her change her tune overnight


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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig Forrest View Post
    Shouldn't that headline read: "Majority in Italy and France want a referendum although a majority don't want to leave"
    Don't know

    Maybe the unsure/don't know/don't care vote is 20% on average.

    Ask Barclays

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACossu View Post
    I would like to see the EU crumble and that each country governs itself and still maintains mutual agreements such as trade/movement. However, at the moment it seems like the EU wants every country to follow the same protocols or else it will stop being their friend which is a bully tactic. I don't think there is "safety" in the EU but it doesn't seem like a country can actually leave.

    Even if the UK does, somehow, find a successful way to leave the EU - it won't enjoy the benefits of single markets etc "UK can't have single market á la carte" and will have to endure hard financial times for the next 5-10 years only to be given a small chance of recovery in the future
    The worrying things I've heard at the moment are that

    - the EU wants to have it's own army, which will basically commandeer the existing forces of nation states.
    - the EU wants to put forward legislation that article 50 be abolished, basically preventing anyone else from having the opportunity to leave.

    I agree with you ACossu, we can all be friends, trading partners, military allies etc without having a central controlling system trying to rule over the whole region.
    Interesting times ahead anyway, what a time to be alive to witness all this going down.

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    I doubt anyone would agree to an EU army.... NATO serves as that right now anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by 316'sRegen View Post
    - the EU wants to put forward legislation that article 50 be abolished, basically preventing anyone else from having the opportunity to leave.
    Well... the USSR had no Article 50, either...

    Although now I've had a rather ironic picture come to mind... 2026, anti-EU revolution in Budapest, Hungarians ask Moscow for help...

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    What are the war policies of the EU? With all the tension leading to Europe it seems like Britain's "ditch the EU" tactic could mean something completely different, world war III perhaps?

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    Considering referendum's are banned in Italy, I highly doubt they will get one. It's all tallk anyway, people saying they would vote leave. There is a difference from saying you would do something than actually doing it.

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