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    S3 Former Wales internationals thoughts on the interview










    Dean Saunders:







    Fallon apologised we move forward together now for the good of Welsh football






















    John Hartson and Robbie Savage wonder if the apology is enough?
































    Ian Rush:




    OK a few eyebrows were raised because of this controversy

    But now it is time to get our eye back on the ball for Wales





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    S3 Sky Sports News Soccer Saturday's reaction to the Fallon interview











    Jeff Stelling:









    What about the Wales situation gents?









    Paul Merson:


    I 'av started learnin' Welsh mate

    Just in case






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    Awesome stuff man. Really burning those giggsy bhoys apart! Let's hope all the comments are backed up on the field. Some international recognition might help with board being birches!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZanSnake View Post
    Awesome stuff man. Really burning those giggsy bhoys apart! Let's hope all the comments are backed up on the field. Some international recognition might help with board being birches!
    Thanks.
    Yeah the board are not the best.
    But that is a bit like most Brazilian football clubs.
    I found this recently when I was looking for information.
    A shambolic board even coupled with ant-hills on the pitch seem to be the norm apparently.

    http://www.esquire.co.uk/culture/new...all-in-brazil/

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    S3 December Review











    Fixture list review - 5th November - 26th November











    Boa had an unbeaten run stretching to eleven games in the Campeonato Brasileirao.

    Even though Boa's run was ended by 2-0 defeat to Fluminense.

    Despite this set back, Boa still qualified for the Campeonato Brasileirao play-offs with two games to spare.

    But due to experimentation following qualification it resulted in another loss.

    A second consecutive defeat which is concerning for the board - this time it was inflicted by Gremio (a)

    Even though it was an inexperienced side, the 3-0 defeat to Gremio (a) it was a very disappointing performance.

    Gremio were playing with nine men for much of the second half.


















    League Table




    There is one final game of the Campeonato Brasileirao (Brazilian Championship) before the play-offs.

    There is only one place left in the knock out stages.

    Ponte Preta are favourites to take the fourth play off spot.

















    Player performance



    Player form




    Young defender Peterson (DLC) is in superb form



    Peterson (DLC)




















    Assistant Manger Marco Garavelli:










    Peterson (DLC) é mesmo dependa quando chamou na esquerda de uma parte de trás três.

    Ele pode não ser os jogadores mais rápido ou tecnicamente talentosos.

    Mas ele é um jogador físico forte com senso posicional bom.



    Peterson (DLC) is very consistent when called upon on the left of a back three.

    He may not be the fastest or technically gifted players.

    But he is a strong physical player with good positional sense.






    Peterson (DLC) attributes

















    Player Average Rating



    Adilson (AM/FLC) tops the average rating of the whole squad












    Gerson (AMLC) is the best of the more regular/senior players






    Gerson (AMLC)


















    Marco Garavelli:










    Adilson (AM / FLC) jogou bem quando ele era determinado uma chance contra lados mais fracos.

    Ele é melhor à esquerda apropriado de um dianteiro três.

    O que posso dizer eu sobre Gerson (AMLC) ?

    Ele é grande profissional, muito seguro.

    Não é nenhuma maravilha por que o chefe o joga tão regularmente.



    Adilson (AM/FLC) has played well when he was given a chance against weaker sides.

    He is best suited to the left of a front three.

    What can I say about Gerson (AMLC) ?

    He is great professional, very dependable.

    It is no wonder why the boss plays him so regularly.














    Finances


    Managing Director – Armando Casagrande









    Casagrande:


    Perda pequena este mês.

    Finanças olham o OK



    Small loss this month.

    Finances look OK









    Finances overview













    Players out:



    Just one player De Abreerto (FLC) was released this month on a free transfer
















    Silvio de Abreu 'De Abreerto' (FLC)












    Marco Garavelli:










    Silvio de Abreu 'De Abreerto' (FLC) has left our club on a free transfer.

    The boss has told me that he wishes him the best in his future career












    But unfortunately, he was not up to standard and does not merit a place in the squad.








    De Abreerto (FLC) attributes











    I think that De Abreerto (FLC) is fortunate to have played those two games for Boa Esporte.













    I am sure he will treasure his Boa Esporte jersey













    Board Confidence






    Presidente Moraes















    Marco você se encarrega da partida contra Atlético Paranaense




    Marco you take charge of the match against Atlético Paranaense












    Marco Garavelli:











    Eu seria honrado a Mr Presidente.

    Mas o que está acontecendo com o Chefe?

    Ele está voltando?



    I would be honoured to Mr Presidente.

    But what is happening with the Boss?

    Is he coming back?














    Presidente Moraes:












    Eu me encontrarei com Niguel quando ele voltar ao Brasil, para ter uma discussão sobre o futuro de Boa Esporte.

    I will meet with Niguel when he returns to Brazil, to have a discussion about the future of Boa Esporte.
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    S3 Final league game before play offs – Garavelli leads Boa










    S3 ND1 Match 27 Atlético Paranaense (h)























    Build up









    Boa have already qualified for the Campeonato Brasileirao (Brazilian Championship) play-offs so this is their last chance to experiment before that.

    But Boa have lost their last two games and would surely like to stop their bad run as it could impact their form in future.

    Atlético Paranaense look likely to be relegated from the Campeonato Brasileirao. But they are fighting for their lives to survive in the division. Paranaense have won their last two games and have gone unbeaten in their last four games in the Campeonato Brasileirao.

    In normal circumstances Boa would be considered favourites in the game but this is anything but normal circumstances.

    Due to Fallon's absence, because of his Wales International appointment, Assistant Manager Marco Garavelli takes charge of Boa for this game.




    Boa Assistant Manager Marco Garavelli:








    It is anyone's guess how all this upheaval will effect the Boa players.

    The Boa Esporte board are rumoured to be concerned about recent defeats..

    Along with their recent form and Boa's upheaval Paranaense may never have a better chance to beat Boa Esporte.











    Tactics


















    Formation and line up




    Boa played a 4-3-3 formation in their previous Campeonato Brasileirao (Brazilian Championship) game which result in a heavy 3-0 defeat.

    Garavelli has named a very attacking 3-4-3 formation for his first game in charge of Boa with mostly fringe their regular eleven.

    But an inexperienced side will be glad of the return of inspirational captain Gelmin Rivas (SC) and steady play of Willians (DMC)

    There are seven changes from their defeat against Gremio


    IN: Peterson (DLC), Caue (D/MC), Celiao (DC), Willians (DMC), Anderson Dim (AM/FR), Adilson (AM/FLC), Gelmin Rivas (SC)


    OUT: Claudio Luiz (DL), Ederson Portela (DR), Thiago Cionek (DC). Leandro Freire (DC), Apparecido Martaldo (DMC), Ramon Abila (SC), Leandrinho (AM/FRLC)












    Result

    Spoiler!

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    Boa Assistant Manager Marco Garavelli has taken charge of Boa's game against Atlético Paranaense.

    This is because Boa manager Fallon was away on international business with Wales.


    Although the game will not have any consequence to it for Boa, as they have already qualified for the play-offs of the Campeonato Brasileirao (Brazilian Championship) it is a significant moment.

    This has lead to further speculation among the local Mina Gerais media that the Italian Garavelli will be given the Boa Esporte job on a full time basis

    Hoje Em Dia broke the story with the headline:

    'Fallon deixará Boa Esporte permanentemente!?'

    'Fallon will leave Boa Esporte permanently!?'








    The Mina Gerais paper 'Hoje Em Dia' has questioned whether this has added an additional strain on the relationship between the Boa manager and his Presidente Rone Moraes.

    And even if Fallon wanted to continue with both jobs the commute between Wales and Ituiutaba would prove almost impossible to work effectively at either job.




    The other regional outlets also had eye catching headlines.










    'Marco Garavelli new Boa manager?'





















    What next for Boa Esporte?






    With all the speculation in the media whoever takes charge of Boa faces a difficult task to keep the players focused.

    Especially with the crucial upcoming semi-final play-off in the Campeonato Brasileirao away to Ponte Preta, in Campinas, São Paulo.
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    S3 Journey Back to Brazil

    An over 2 hour drive from London back to Cardiff and Wales football association:











    Through the M4 tunnel back to Cardiff:








    Parked Griff's car at the Wales Football Association:











    President David Griffiths :








    Cracking interview Nigel!















    Me:








    Cheers Griff

    Hows the wife and the family?











    President David Griffiths :





    The wife and Davey Junior are both very excited about this new era in Wales football



    Mrs Griffiths aka 'The Wife'







    Davey Junior










    Have a safe journey home Nigel!












    Me:







    All 35 hours of it!?

































    Counting the hours and flight miles back to Brazil







    Cardiff Airport








    Depart on Flybe to Paris Charles de Gaulle Airport:










    Arrive at Charles de Gaulle Airport after over an hour's flight
















    9 hours to kill....in Paris









    Change to Orly Airport Paris












    Depart on TAP plane to Lisbon








    Arrive at Lisbon Airport – nearly 2 and half hours flight











    12 hours to wait for my next flight in Lisbon....











    AZUL plane to Campinas in Sao Paulo where Ponte Preta is based

















    I was picked up by Vivi in the team bus at Viracopos International Airport after another long haul flight (Over 10 hours) I finally landed on Brazilian soil again.





















    There is only a short journey to from Viracopos Airport to Ponte Preta's stadium.

    A stadium where the Boa Squad have gathered to train on the pitch in preparation for the Semi Final 1st Leg play off of the Campeonato Brasileirao (Brazilian Championship) in a few days time:














    But first I had to had to go to a hotel near the stadium.....










    Spoiler!

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    S3 Fallon discusses future with the Brazilian media

























    Press:

    You have accepted the Wales international job









    What does this mean for your future with Boa Esporte?











    Me:







    I plan to stay in both jobs


    The commute is a long journey.

    But in my absence, my assistant manager Marco Garavelli has shown he is more then capable of running the team, .





    Marco Garavelli










    Marco Garavelli attributes











    Marco knows my thoughts on football.

    He has has been at the club for well over two years and knows the squad well.




    I will also be bringing my coach David Noble as my Wales no2

    He will be of vital assistance to me on international duty with Wales.





    David Noble









    He certainly has the qualities to be a top class manager in the future.





    David Noble attributes










    Nobes will prove a valuable member of the Wales back-room staff















    Nobes was born in England and has played for Scotland at 'B' level in the past.

    So he knows British football well.

    Again he also knows my approach to football management












    Press:

    But will this disrupt the Boa team?













    Me:







    Not at all!

    The Boa squad is incredibly focused and professional.

    My remaining Boa back-room set up will make sure that this continues.











    Vitaliy Bulyga is a great technique based coach and is particularly good at motivating and coaching young players.




    Bulyga attributes









    Ronaldinho is a Brazilian legend who has no trouble in motivating players




    Ronaldinho attributes








    Teco is a good all-round coach able to deal with all types of players




    Teco attributes








    Xavi Tamarit is yet another good technical coach who is yet another solid coach.

    He particularly excels at motivating players and is a good tactician of the game.




    Tamarit attributes










    So why should I be worried?

    I have a top quality back-room team to assist me.











    Press:

    Is the Boa Presidente happy with this arrangement?











    Me:







    Yes, Presidente Moraes is pleased about the extra international profile Boa Esporte will get.

    I would also like to say that, the rumours of disagreements between myself and Presidente Moraes are completely untrue.















    Presidente Moraes has given me his full support.

    And we are both striving to improve the club and succeed at the highest level





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    S3 Local Devon media laud Noble's appointment as Wales assistant


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    S3 Campeonato Brasilerao Ponte Preta Semi-Final L1







    ND1 Semi-final Leg 1 Ponte Preta (a)





















    Build up









    This is a major game for Boa Esporte they have reached the semi-finals of the Campeonato Brasileirao (Brazilian Championship).

    If they wanted to pick an opponent it would have been Ponte Preta who reached the semi-finals despite a 3-1 defeat away to Coritiba.

    In the last five games Ponte Preta have only won two games in the Campeonato Brasileirao.

    However Boa, will be wary as the last meeting between the sides they were fortunate to be on the right side of the 3-2 thriller.













    Tactics


















    Formation and line up




    There are wholesale changes from Boa Esporte. Captain Gelmin Rivas (SC), Peterson (DLC) and Caue (D/MC) are the sole survivors from the Boa side Assistant manager Marco Garavelli took charge of.

    In a change from the previous 3-4-3 formation Boa now line out in a very attacking 3-4-1-2 formation.















    Result

    Spoiler!
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    S3 Brazilian media speculate on a Boa Esporte North West England 'shopping spree'





    There are rumours that Boa Esporte are interested in a number of players around the North West of England






    When Fallon was in England over a week ago sources close to Tranmere football club say the Boa boss was seen at Prenton Park home of Tranmere Rovers








    This has lead to speculation that Boa Esporte are interested in signing Crystal Palace player Marc Fox (MC) who is currently on loan at Tranmere









    In the local newspaper the Wirral Globe, Tranmere manager Gary Brabin confirmed that a foreign club is interested in signing Marc Fox (MC)









    The Boa manager was also said to be seen heading towards Ewood Park home of Championship side Blackburn Rovers.








    It is thought that Fallon was in negotiations with two Blackburn players Danny Guthrie (MRC) and Nathan Delfounso (FRLC)




    Danny Guthrie (MRC)









    Nathan Delfounso (FRLC)






    In the local media, Blackburn manager Paul Lambert has clearly stated that; he will not deny them the opportunity to get first team football elsewhere.











    There is further speculation that Fallon was seen at the grounds of two giants of English football. Manchester United and Liverpool.





    Boa manager seen at Old Trafford?










    Fallon at Anfield?









    It is thought Boa are interested in bringing Manchester United's Axel Tuanzebe (DC) and Liverpool's Jerome Sinclair (SC) to the Estádio da Fazendinha.





    Axel Tuanzebe (DC)









    Jerome Sinclair (SC)










    According to a local Liverpool media outlet the former England U21 star Jerome Sinclair (SC) has handed in a transfer request and is not afraid to move abroad in search of first team football.









    In Manchester the local media there have said that Old Trafford's Congolese international Axel Tuanzebe (DC) wants first team football.







    Like Jerome Sinclair (SC), Axel Tuanzebe (DC) has said that he will move abroad for first team football if required.

    An unnamed Brazilian club is said to be interested in signing the Manchester United centre back.

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    Looks like you make me making some movements in the transfer window

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    Press:


    Can you comment on the transfer speculation in the North West of England?

















    Me:






    Well firstly, all those players mentioned are of various qualities ranging from decent to potentially world class.


    But, you are forgetting that I am only allowed to name only two foreign players in any squad in a Brazilian domestic match?













    There are currently three foreign players at the club have to be rotated to get game time.










    So even if I wanted to bring in the players speculated on I would have to sell some of the current foreign players.













    Press:


    So does this mean you will be selling some of your foreign players?














    Me:






    I am very happy with my current players I will not be selling them anytime soon.













    Press:


    To be clear, you are not going to sign Marc Fox (MC) from Tranmere Rovers?














    Me:








    Marc Fox (MC) is an interesting player.

    But, I would probably see him more as a creative central defender.








    I think we are currently well covered in the creative central defensive players.




    We are hopeful that Flavio (DMC) is back to full fitness soon.

    Then he can be retrained as a defender again.

    Flavio adapted very quickly to the new position previously.

    But that was before his training was interrupted by two surgical operations in quick succession, in February and August of this year.








    Flavio (DMC)







    He has all the skills to be top creative ball-playing centre back



    Flavio (DMC) attributes







    Of course, as well as Flavio (DMC) we also have Willians(D/DMC) and Caue (D/MC)

    The later two were retrained as defenders precisely for this role.







    Caue (D/MC)











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    Willians (D/DMC)
















    Press:

    What about the Blackburn players Nathan Delfounso (FRLC) and Danny Guthrie (MRC) ?




    Nathan Delfounso (FRLC)









    Danny Guthrie (MRC)














    Me:







    Both of these Blackburn players are decent players




    Nathan Delfounso (FRLC) attributes










    Danny Guthrie (MRC) attributes







    But, I am not sure they are any better then the players we already have who are able to play those positions.

    Not only that, I can only play two foreign players as I have already said.











    Press:


    What about Jerome Sinclair (SC) ?

    Surely you will make room for a player of his quality regardless of the foreigner quota?



    Jerome Sinclair (SC) attributes















    Me:






    There is no denying that Jerome Sinclair (SC) s a quality player.




    Jerome Sinclair (SC)








    But is he any better then our Captain Gelmin Rivas (SC) ?





    Gelmin Rivas (SC)








    There are not many players who can go on a run of 17 goals in 17 games!








    Also, do not forget we managed to get Gelmin on a free transfer.

    You cannot get better value then that!

    Is there the same value and quality in those players you mentioned?











    Press:


    You could sign them on Bosman transfers when/if they are available?











    Me:





    In theory I could.

    But, we are just a little horse in the race for the top players.

    By that time, the well-known players are then in the open market at the end of thier season.

    We would not be able to compete with the wealthier clubs finances.











    Press:


    What if an international player like Axel Tuanzebe (DC) became available?

    Would you would be interested and attempt to bring him to the club?



    Axel Tuanzebe (DC)







    You play with three centre backs a lot of the time.

    And could do with strength and depth in this position?











    Me:


    I agree that Tuanzebe is a player of good potential, for a young player in his early 20's



    Axel Tuanzebe (DC) attributes







    But, we have a number of young Brazilian centre backs who deserve more game time to aid their development and get a chance to push for regular cameos in the first team squad.:

    Artur Ferreira (DRLC), Lopes Ferreirica (DC), Fabieiro (DC), and Celiao (DC).



    I have been particularly impressed with Celiao (DC).

    He is only 18 years old is already shaping up to be a permanent future Boa captain.

    That is assuming that Celiao (DC) continues working hard at his game.



    Celiao (DC)










    Celiao (DC) attributes







    He has only recently scored his first goal for the club, and received the man of the match award!



    Lopes Ferreirica (DC) is another bright prospect who I rate very highly.

    At only 16 years of age he has all at qualities to be a top defender.





    Lopes Ferreirica (DC) attributes










    He is another youngster who did not look out of place in his recent debut for the club





    Lopes Ferreirica (DC)







    Why would I hinder these players development with more competition for places with foreign players?








    I really do not know where all this transfer speculation has come from in any case.

    Just because I was travelling around England on Wales international business you put 2 and 2 together and make 5!

    Are the media going to say I am going to sign Charlotte Church next?







    I was in Cardiff after all!

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    S3 Danilson (D/DMC) changing of the stars?




    The media in France have said that the French/Cape Verdean Danilson Da Cruz (D/DMC) of Red Star Paris is close to a move to Boa Esporte.








    Mercato : le Boa Esporte poursuit Danilson Da Cruz (Red Star)



    Après une bonne saison avec l'Étoile(la Star) Rouge, Danilson Da Cruz est intéressé par le Boa Esporte, Brasileirao le club (le Brésil D1). À 32, le milieu de terrain défensif pourrait éprouver le football professionnel jouant au Brésil pour la première fois. Les discussions sont pensées pour exister pour apporter Red Star l'homme dans le club maintenant mené par l'Irlandais Nigel Fallon. Fallon a été récemment découvert à Paris, qui nous mène pour croire qu'un accord pour Danilson Da Cruz sera plus tôt plutôt alors plus tard.


    Transfer Market : Boa Esporte chase Danilson Da Cruz (Red Star)




    After a good season with the Red Star, Danilson Da Cruz is interested in Boa Esporte, Brasileirao club (Brazil D1). At 32, the defensive midfielder could experience playing professional football in Brazil for the first time. Discussions are thought to exist to bring the 'Red Star' man into the club now led by Irishman Nigel Fallon. Fallon was recently spotted in Paris, which leads us to believe that a deal for Danilson Da Cruz will be sooner rather then later.













    The rumour in the French media makes sense as Danilson (D/DMC) would be ideal for Boa Esporte's three at the back tactics where the central player of the back three has to be more creative then a more limited defender.

    Danilson (D/DMC) is also fluent in Portuguese so he should have no difficulty settling into the Brazilian lifestyle.




    Danilson attributes












    Spoiler!

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    S3 Pachuca management claims to have had 'A good meeting' prior to Boa Esporte World Club clash




    Mina Gerais side Boa Esporte are soon to compete in the World club championship in the Netherlands, as a result of their runner up place in the Copa Libertadores last season.


    They are in a group with Australian side Central Coast Mariners, Algerian's CS Constantine, and Pachuca from Mexico








    A Mexican paper has reported that Pachuca manager Diego Alonso has 'Had a good meeting' with his squad before their first match against Boa Esporte.

    Alonso believes his players are playing well and they are confident of a result against Boa Esporte.











    Diego Alonso – C.F Pachuca manager



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    S3 Before Boa's World Club Championship game against Pachuca – Fallon comments on their danger-men







    All of Ituiutaba and the eyes of Brazil are on Boa Esporte's upcoming game with Pachuca of Mexico on Friday the 8th of December.









    Boa Esporte manager Fallon seemed relaxed at the pre-match press conference in Rotterdam and was well informed about his opponents














    Press:



    What do you know about Pachuca?









    Me:







    For me, there are two players in particular to watch Franco Jara (FRLC) and Juan Carlos Cortes (FLC)






    Franco Jara (FRLC) attributes










    Juan Carlos Cortes (FLC) attributes









    If we keep these players quiet we will have a good day in Rotterdam.

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    S4 Radames absence confirmed from Boa's World club squad





    Fallon confirms that Radames (D/DMRC) is absent from the travelling squad in Rotterdam.



    Radames (D/DMRC)








    Press Conference:



    Me:








    Radames will be attending the popular television programme 'Domingão do Faustão' ('Big Fausto's Big Sunday') with Viviane Araújo.

    So I thought it is best that he stays in Brazil.


















    Press:



    But, why are you letting a player go to attend a TV show?











    Me:






    It was arranged in advance he was never going to travel to the Netherlands








    Press:


    Any comment on the Danilson (D/DMC) rumours?












    Me:








    This is not the time nor the place.

    I am only here to talk about questions relating to the Pachuca game, not transfer rumours



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    S3 World Club Championship a true world wide event?





    From Iuiutaba, Brazil:








    Turin, Italy:








    Shanghai, China:









    And Lubumbashi, Democratic Republic of Congo:








    All the fans of the competing teams are preparing for the only true International club football competition.














    But, there is a lot of indifference to the competition reported in the British media.

    With some even implying that that the World Club Cup a second rate competition!











    However, this maybe because there is no British clubs involvement in the competition this season.












    There are 11 teams from 12 different countries in three groups with two qualifying from each group for the knockout stage.











    Brazil have two representatives as Cruzeiro and Boa Esporte both played in the Copa Libertadores Final. Corinithians won the final on penalties. This will give them confidence of doing well on the international club stage again.
    Corinithans have won the world club championship twice already in 2000 and 2012.
    This pedigree could prove vital should they reach the knock out stages.

    In contrast, not much is expected of Boa Esporte who are making their debut in the World Club Championship.

    It is expected to be merely a learning experience for the Ituiutaba side.

    Most commentators on the game of football do not give any serious chance of progressing to the latter stages of the competition



    The undoubted favourites are current Champions League holders Barcelona:













    The Catalans have not being weakened by the lost of Brazil captain's Neymar (FLC) to PSG a few seasons ago.
    Neymar has recently moved to Italy with Inter Milan, his third European club.











    If anything they Barcelona an even stronger side adding the world class talents of Sergio Aguero (FC) David Alaba (D/MLC) and Gareth Bale (AM/FRLC) to their squad.










    However, Barcelona are expected to be severely tested by the second favourites:

    current UEFA Cup holders and the defending World Club Champions.... Juventus.









    The core Juventus side has remained fairly settled but additions such as Fabregas (MC) David Silva (AMRLC) and Bernd Leno (GK) in the past few seasons has meant a squad with flair to go with an already strong spine















    Bernd Leno (GK)











    David Silva (AMRLC)















    Leno has proved an able replacement for retired club legend Gianluigi Buffon (GK)








    A Juventus v Barcelona final would be a sponsors dream.
    And according to the Dutch media the question is who can stop those two teams?













    World Club Championship begint morgen
    World Club Championship starts tomorrow




    Wie stopt de favorieten in de World Club Kampioenschap?
    Who will stop the favourites in the World Club Championship?



    A Juventus v Barcelona laatste lijkt het meest waarschijnlijke geval op 17 december in Amsterdam
    A Juventus v Barcelona final seems the mostly likely event on the 17th of December in Amsterdam
    Last edited by fry78; 16-11-17 at 12:24 PM.

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